Hot mic: McConnell and Rand Paul on the Democrats’ “we won’t negotiate” stance

posted at 11:24 am on October 3, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via MFP, no incandescent moments of candor in this one but interesting nonetheless as a glimpse into the GOP’s messaging. If you’re wondering why Paul decided to invite the entirety of the Senate for coffee today, this is why: He thinks the Democrats are torching their shutdown PR advantage by constantly reiterating that they won’t negotiate. The lefty base might enjoy seeing them take a hard line but the White House’s media campaign depends upon the GOP being seen by the broader public as the ones who are obstinate and obstructionist. Paul’s trying to seize the opportunity by making Republicans, by contrast, look like they’re bending over backwards to encourage negotiations. A quote from his appearance on Fox News this morning: “We would get more done if we had a little more interaction between the two of us.” That also explains, I assume, his surprising support for a short-term CR to re-open the government for a week or two while negotiations continue. That’s going to be his message from now on — negotiations, negotiations, negotiations. The more reasonable he and the rest of the GOP appear to low-information voters, the greater the chance that the public will start to view Obama and Reid as the key stumbling blocks in all of this and thus the greater the pressure on them to make a deal will grow.

But … a deal on what? Robert Costa quotes a “senior Democratic source”:

Boehner raised the prospect of a grand bargain-type deal at the White House meeting and was laughed at because everyone feels like they’ve heard this song and dance before. The general feeling is, if he’s really ready to make some tough choices – read, revenue – then great. But the history of this from where we sit is Boehner talking a big game, then bailing as soon as he runs into the inevitable resistance from a certain faction in his caucus. So we will believe it when we see it, but are proceeding under the assumption that this is just more of the same big talk, no walk.

The GOP has less than two weeks to come up with a new grand bargain which, unlike all the abortive grand bargains of the past two years, will need somehow to be agreeable to O and congressional Democrats. Paul himself said yesterday that he feels no great pressure to raise the debt ceiling since, after all, Treasury takes in enough revenue to cover America’s monthly debt payments and legislation could order Treasury to prioritize — an interesting strategy, but not one that’s likely to bring a panicky media around to his view that the GOP’s the more reasonable of the two parties right now. Exit quotation from GOP Rep. Marlin Stutzman: “We’re not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

Update: And here’s O himself speaking this morning and making Paul’s job a little easier:


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The longer it’s shut, the more people sign up for health insurance…

Dave Rywall on October 3, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Wouldn’t that presume that people are able even to access the site in the first place?

Your party shut the memorial down

Dave Rywall on October 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM

That actually is not true. Open air memorials do not need to be barricaded and fenced the way the administration is doing now. They are going beyond furloughing the workers, and actually PAYING people to BLOCKADE something that should be freely accessible.

The Schaef on October 3, 2013 at 12:04 PM

If your party gave a flying f*ck about the memorial, they would have tried to keep it open while negotiating the shut down.

They did not, so spare me this enormous pile of bullish*t

Dave Rywall on October 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM

It’s always open. It took more manpower in one day to erect barriers than the site normally uses all year long; there is no staff.

You need to brush up, son.

Bishop on October 3, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Trollapalooza!

They realize their side has been exposed because of its self-serving Shutdown antics.

And, it’s not a pretty site.

kingsjester on October 3, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Bmore

Schadenfreude on October 3, 2013 at 12:05 PM

And this is why Rand’s The Man.

Paul plays nice cop. Cruz plays bad cop.

Next issue? Switch roles.

The lefties are having a field day with this video, but I don’t see why.

There’s nothing surprising in it at all, and as AP notes, they’re discussing the mind-numbing stupidity of how the Dems have chosen to play this.

Chris of Rights on October 3, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Progs are running with this because they need to villainize something.

Don’t you remember those days under W, where we weren’t sure what the hell the strategy was, but we were constantly assured they had it under control?

Same thing with Barry. He’s running a total Confidence Game on his own peeps, and their developing a creeping sense of it.

They haven’t cared too much, because it’s mostly been relegated to GWOT and the mid-east. But now, it’s creeping into their pet causes – social issues.

ZeroCare is beginning to feel and look like a con job, and this is the same group who lost Sequestration.

So placing confidence in Team Barry’s “shutdown” strategy is equivalent to blind faith.

So, if you’re a prog, you have to believe Rand didn’t hear Mitch tell him the mic was on and it’s a gotcha moment.

Or, Rand did hear him.

And what was the point of his Coffee Talk, again…?

So who was Paul really talking to?

McConnell? or Red State Dems?

budfox on October 3, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Paul has a point…it’s a mistake for Obama and the Dems to continue to declare they won’t negotiate, but I’m sure they’re counting on the press to make sure they’re not seen as the obstructionists.

I still cannot believe that the President of the United States is not only refusing to come to the table, but also deliberately closing memorials to veterans in order to force the opposition’s hand. Such a small, petty man.

changer1701 on October 3, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Unhinged Trollapalooza!

kingsjester on October 3, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Lanceman on October 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM

The longer it’s shut, the more people sign up for health insurance, and the Obama bandaid on your healthcare brain tumour will prove to improve things ever so slightly, and all your pants sh*tting over it will prove to be completely wrong, and the next elections will show just how wrong you were.

Or are you still spinning your head at how badly you lost in 2012? Still can’t figure it out? Ahh, never mind. You’ll never get it.

Dave Rywall on October 3, 2013 at 11:46 AM

“When an opponent declares, ‘I will not come over to your side.’ I calmly say, ‘Your child belongs to us already… What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.’”

~ Adolf Hitler

Godwin was a Canadian. And a fascist loser.

onomo on October 3, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Evidently, 1-800-3(F) 8(U) 2(C) 5(K) 9(Y) 6(O) is now down. This was the number I got for 404ErrorCare:

1-800-6(M)7(r)2(A)7(s)7(s)4(H)6(0!)

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 11:30 AM

You left out a number, 1-800-318-2596 is up and unfortunately running (press two for Spanish)

Les in NC on October 3, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Schadenfreude on October 3, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Yes. This is the behavior of a spoiled brat.

The GOP needs to drag this out as long as possible. The world will spin on and business will proceed anyway. With each passing day it becomes more and more obvious we don’t need the government for much.

dogsoldier on October 3, 2013 at 12:08 PM

The Tea Party has won.

The government has laid off half it’s employees and America goes on as usual.

Make it permanent.

MichaelGabriel on October 3, 2013 at 12:08 PM

1-800-6(M)7(r)2(A)7(s)7(s)4(H)6(0!)

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Heh. “Thank you very much, Mr. Azz Hoe!”

Lanceman on October 3, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Move over trolls. Live like a Slave beats you on the new thread.

Schadenfreude on October 3, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Back during Katrina, I remember seeing a segment on television where an obese woman was standing in thigh-high water crying ‘I’m gonna drown if the gubmint don’t come save me!’

Not only did she say this to a camera crew…in the background was a porch that was high and dry.

If you’re that stupid, then maybe you deserve whatever happens to you…including drowning or starving.

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 12:02 PM

My favorite Katrina moment was some idiot talking about the looting being necessary for survival…. In the background people were toting high-end electronics still in their boxes from the local Best Buy. They may not have had electricity but they apparently needed a big screen TV strictly for survival.

Happy Nomad on October 3, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Heh, what a glorious symbol for the land.

Schadenfreude on October 3, 2013 at 12:11 PM

McConnell? or Red State Dems?

budfox on October 3, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Exactly. Remember, Zero has nothing to lose here. We aren’t going to evict him. He doesn’t have to run for election again.

All the dems are going to choke on this.

Especially after yesterday.

dogsoldier on October 3, 2013 at 12:12 PM

I am so enjoying this. Shut. It. Down. And. Let. It. Burn. I would rather see everything go south than the whole country implode some day.

HiJack on October 3, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Please, Washington Republicans, remember REGULAR ORDER!!!

This is not about negotiations. Pass bills, let the Senate pass bills, meet them in conference, pass the final version and send it to the White House.

The House should be voting every hour, 24-hours a day on bills and sending them to the Senate.

Sit a group of conferees in an empty conference room and say they are waiting for the Senate’s bill to get passed so they can meet in conference.

Make the point: we’re passing things, we are the only ones who have passed a real budget, where is the Senate???

HakerA on October 3, 2013 at 12:12 PM

If the left truly believes it is winning on the shutdown, why are the lefties all here acting hysterical about it?

Personally, I don’t think either side wins/loses on the shutdown. The mushy middle, who don’t pay attention or understand anything, don’t care and won’t care. It doesn’t effect them.

Yes, when pollsters ask “do you like the shutdown” or whatever, people will say “no”. but, do they really care one way or another. I highly doubt it.

Which is why the GOP also won’t “win” the public over on the shutdown. But, the GOP can win some concessions through the shutdown, which will be worth it.

To the extent that anyone pays attention, the silly, juvenile games Obama and the left is playing with the shutdown, such as closing open-air parks that are normally unmanned and open 24/7, and pretending they “had” to be closed because of the shutdown, will hurt the dems. But, again, I doubt too many people will pay attention.

Monkeytoe on October 3, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Dave Rywall on October 3, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Wow, the libs are truly desperate over all of this.

Just look at the slow parade of mental midget discredited and oft-humiliated feeble trolls crawling out of the woodwork to bleat and moan over all of this.

Midas on October 3, 2013 at 12:17 PM

My favorite Katrina moment was some idiot talking about the looting being necessary for survival…. In the background people were toting high-end electronics still in their boxes from the local Best Buy. They may not have had electricity but they apparently needed a big screen TV strictly for survival.

Happy Nomad on October 3, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Remember what the idiot Celine Dion said about the looting?

“Oh, they’re stealing 20 pair of jeans or they’re stealing television sets. Who cares? They’re not going to go too far with it. Maybe those people are so poor, some of the people who do that they’re so poor they’ve never touched anything in their lives. Let them touch those things for once.”

slickwillie2001 on October 3, 2013 at 12:20 PM

If your party gave a flying f*ck about the memorial, they would have tried to keep it open while negotiating the shut down.
They did not, so spare me this enormous pile of bullish*t

DRywall on October 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM

And yet it was your messiah who said:

Obama: “There will be no negotiations.”

So please explain how the GOP are the ones at fault for not negotiating.

dentarthurdent on October 3, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Yes, if the GOP can’t leverage it’s minority role in the government to overturn the law of the land, let’s play word games.

bayam on October 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Ok, let’s put this BS to bed right now. Looking at the major elected Federal officials (that is, House, Senate, President, VP), there are 278 Republicans and 254 Democrats. What the Democrats want to do is shut out the majority party just because of how the number lay out among the three groups, but the fact of the matter is what we say is important, what we want matters, and we are tired of being told to shut up.

kenro85 on October 3, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Remember what the idiot Celine Dion said about the looting?

slickwillie2001 on October 3, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Dion also said, “I can barely drink my morning coffee thinking about those poor people” (she was in the middle of her $100 million Vegas gig at the time) “and I think to myself ‘Get out of there! Get a kayak!’”

And let’s not forget Vulf Bleetzer of CNN, “They’re SO poor…and SO black…”

Bishop on October 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM

The JPost via Reuters has a news article that the State Department claims that already negotiated aid to Israel is jeopardized with the shutdown/slowdown. (I can’t get the link to post.)

Is State Department money to Muslims being threatened the same way?

onlineanalyst on October 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Obama and the Democrats war on children with cancer and WWII vets continues all so they can declare they were completely unreasonable and refused to negotiate and refused to help Joe Sixpack who doesn’t get special treatment or waivers under Obamacare unlike Congress and big business……

Oh wait..what!?!……do you think they have said it out loud to themselves what they are ACTUALLY doing…and I thought the Republican party had the market on stupid cornered.

Caseoftheblues on October 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Dave Rywall, shhhh, this is just for you.

Schadenfreude on October 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Just look at the slow parade of mental midget discredited and oft-humiliated feeble trolls crawling out of the woodwork to bleat and moan over all of this.

Midas on October 3, 2013 at 12:17 PM

It’s amazing what a buck a post will buy if you’re OFA.

What? It’s only 50 cents?

That’s not even minimum wage…

trigon on October 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Drudge

Feds shut down D-Day beaches, cemetery in Normandy…

Barrycades: Try to Close Privately Owned Mount Vernon…

Philly tavern frequented by Founding Fathers shuttered…

Lodge with 12 rooms closes on Cape Cod…

Monuments, memorials stayed open during last shutdown…

Grocery stores on Army bases closed, Obama’s golf course open…

Schadenfreude on October 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Make the point: we’re passing things, we are the only ones who have passed a real budget, where is the Senate???

HakerA on October 3, 2013 at 12:12 PM

It sure reminds me of the Wisconsin FleeBaggers.

Nail the label to their damn foreheads.

Harbingeing on October 3, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Your party shut the memorial down

Vets complain it’s shut

Your party complains it’s shut and blames Obama for it being shut.

If your party gave a flying f*ck about the memorial, they would have tried to keep it open while negotiating the shut down.

They did not, so spare me this enormous pile of bullish*t

Dave Rywall on October 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM

How did the Republicans shut down the WWII memorial that is an open air plaza that is open 24/7/365 and has a staff of 7 that works in shifts and not even at the site or even all of the time?

Have you ever seen an aerial photo of the memorial?

B-, Bu-, But, We Must Erect And Man Barricades On An Open-Air Plaza During A Shutdown That Is Open 24/7/365 When The Government Is Open!

Now, let me tell you a few things:

1) The Memorial was funded by PRIVATE money.

2) There have NEVER been ANY barricades at it.

3) It cost MrAssHO! more money to erect and man the barricades yesterday than it would have to simply ignore the WWII vets.

4) The WWII vets could mosey on over to the WWI Memorial to engage in ‘First Amendment activities,’ but not visit the WWII for which they paid for with their blood, sweat, time, and money…because Obama is a ‘the smahhhtest man to evah f*cking live or something!’

5) Clueless Man is shutting down PRIVATELY-OWNED PARKS that are PRIVATELY-FUNDED that are leased on Federal land, which is a BREACH OF THOSE LEASES. Guess what that means, genius? He has put the Federal government IN BREACH OF CONTRACT and on the hook for a shitload of money, including loss profits and wages.

6) MrAssHO! tried to shutdown Mount Vernon, you know, the Home of George Washington, WHICH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT OWN…’cuz, like, um, ya know, he was the first black editor of the Harrrvahd Law Review and a Constitutional Law P3fFsS0Я (Not!) and he is soooooooooo brilliant or something!!!

7) Omaha Beach and Iwo Jima were closed when those ‘old farts’ stormed both of them and, trust me, MrAssHO! is neither Hitler nor Hirohito. He might be a thuggish, lawless b@stard, but he’s a muffin…as Putin has proved over and over again.

8) As usual, you show up and prove that you are as stupid as evah.

9) Now, FOAD, you ‘tupidtard, who is too stupid to live.

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Mt. LeConte, in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, which I hiked last week is closed.

LeConte Lodge will reopen immediately following a resolution to the budget issue.

Due to the Federal Government Shutdown, all national parks throughout the country are closed. LeConte Lodge is closed, as we operate within the Great Smoky Mountain Park boundary. No overnight or day hiker services will be available during this time. The lodge will reopen as
soon as the United States government finalizes the spending plan, and authorizes the Department of Interior to reopen the national parks. All guests holding overnight reservations during the time the Lodge is closed will have an opportunity to have a credit issued for the 2014 season or receive a full refund within 30 days of their reservation date. We sincerely apologize for the
inconvenience and thank you for your understanding, as this matter is out of our control.

Murphy9 on October 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Oh, The Inhumanity!

‘Because of the shutdown, only 15 people will care for the White House and the Obama family — down from 90.

— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) October 2, 2013

Let them…BITE ME!!!

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM

‘Because of the shutdown, only 15 people will care for the White House and the Obama family — down from 90.

— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) October 2, 2013

Whisper it with me: “The horror. The horror. The horror.”

Poor things, having to make do with only 15 staffers. Me, somehow I make do with a few dogs, and a wife and kids who selectively ignore me.

Bishop on October 3, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Poor things, having to make do with only 15 staffers. Me, somehow I make do with a few dogs, and a wife and kids who selectively ignore me.

Bishop on October 3, 2013 at 12:38 PM

If it makes you feel any better, my dog selectively ignores me as well.

kenro85 on October 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM

I hope your coffins are comfortable.

Dave Rywall on October 3, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Are they Government made coffins?

portlandon on October 3, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Non-Compliance is now required of right-thinking citizens and elected officials.

Sarah Palin called for civil disobedience very cleverly yesterday. “She told “Obama employees who know in your hearts and souls that punishing our veterans is wrong” that “we have your backs when you say ‘enough is enough’ and then allow our vets to gaze upon our memorials that honor America’s finest.”

“This simple act of civil disobedience will galvanize our nation against atrocious political games, and I promise you’ll sleep well tonight,” she said to them.”

I will not comply, MrAzzHO.

Harbingeing on October 3, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Make the point: we’re passing things, we are the only ones who have passed a real budget, where is the Senate???

HakerA on October 3, 2013 at 12:12 PM

You mean, like this?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=627553040609587&set=a.359617517403142.85729.359553784076182&type=1&theater

philwynk on October 3, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Paul’s trying to seize the opportunity by making Republicans, by contrast, look like they’re bending over backwards to encourage negotiations.

Which is why he offered the one week CR. To make the Democrats look bad. Not because he some sort of RINO traitor. (Plus, it’s one week! Even if it happens, it doesn’t really change anything.)

besser tot als rot on October 3, 2013 at 12:46 PM

One of my ultra-liberal friends in DC posted a pic on Facebook this morning of an empty Metro car during peak rush hour. It got slammed with messages from people saying “welcome to my town’s Main Street for the last 5 years,” “try being out of work for 2 years, ” etc.

I don’t see much sympathy out there for the poor oppressed government worker.

rockmom on October 3, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Schadenfreude on October 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM

This is exceptionally bad politics. Particularly with the House continuing to pass bills to keep all these things open. It’s like the Dems are going out of their way to show everyone how stupid they can be.

Chris of Rights on October 3, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Did you hear the lazy stupid coward in Rockville, MD, this morning? Apparently the GOP is to agree to the Senate’s version of the CR, cede any opposition to Obamacare, and raise the debt ceiling. Then and only then will the lazy stupid coward agree to sit down and have a reasonable discussion about a “whole variety of issues” [and here's the fun part] just as his actions have demonstrated over the last four years.

The filthy thin-skinned rat is a pathalogical liar. I think even the media is finding it hard to prop him up these days.

Happy Nomad on October 3, 2013 at 11:38 AM

And isn’t Rockville, MD, a center for lots of federal jobs and employees?

Preaching to the choir, Obysmal?

onlineanalyst on October 3, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Apologies for the shouting but this has to be said:

RAISE THE DEBT CEILING TODAY, GOP. TAKE THIS CARD AWAY FROM THE DEMS. THEN KEEP THE GOVT. SHUTDOWN GOING INDEFINITELY, MINUS THE SELECTIVE CRS YOU CONTINUE TO SLIP OVER TO THE SENATE.

newtopia on October 3, 2013 at 1:01 PM

It’s like the Dems are going out of their way to show everyone how stupid they can be.

Chris of Rights on October 3, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Which is refreshing, given it’s usually the Republicans doing that.

kenro85 on October 3, 2013 at 1:01 PM

I hope your coffins are comfortable.

Dave Rywall on October 3, 2013 at 11:32 AM

‘Imagine if workers could shut down a coffin manufacturing plant just because they didn’t get what they want?’

- MrAssHO!

Я3t@rDs!

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Hey Bayam,
I challenge you to respond intelligently to my breakdown of your response to me here.

ITguy on October 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM

It’s like the Dems are going out of their way to show everyone how stupid they can be.

Chris of Rights on October 3, 2013 at 12:55 PM

It takes a village.

onomo on October 3, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Apologies for the shouting but this has to be said:

RAISE THE DEBT CEILING TODAY, GOP. TAKE THIS CARD AWAY FROM THE DEMS. THEN KEEP THE GOVT. SHUTDOWN GOING INDEFINITELY, MINUS THE SELECTIVE CRS YOU CONTINUE TO SLIP OVER TO THE SENATE.

newtopia on October 3, 2013 at 1:01 PM

I agree with that.

Raise the Debt limit by $1 Trillion now, before Treasury claims that they are out of “Extraordinary Measures”.

Once the Debt Limit is raised, the Treasury Department will be required by existing law to “make whole” the “Extraordinary Measures” that they have been borrowing since mid-May… to the tune of approximately $550 Billion.

When that happens, the debt numbers reported by the Treasury will go up by over half a Trillion dollars in a very short amount of time (just as has happened after previous debt limit impasses when “Extraordinary Measures” were repaid with Treasury securities).

Of the $1 Trillion debt limit increase, over half of it will be gone almost instantaneously, leaving only about $450 Billion left before we hit the debt ceiling again. $450 Billion used to last us almost 5 years; now $450 Billion will last us about 5 months.

Take a look at:

Table 7.3—Statutory Limits on Federal Debt: 1940–Current

On August 5, 1997 the Republican House, Republican Senate, and President Clinton raised the debt ceiling by less than half a trillion ($450 Billion) and with Republican majorities in control of the budgeting and appropriatoins process, that $450 Billion increase lasted nearly five years.

Now we have to raise the debt ceiling by $1 Trillion just to repay the $550 Billion in “extraordinary measures” and have $450 Billion left over to last about 5 months (not 5 years) at current deficit spending levels.

So, let the House pass a clean bill to raise the debt ceiling by $1 Trillion, send that over to the Senate, and focus on the real issue: the FY 2014 budget and bringing an end to the Democrats’ run-away deficit spending.

Our creditors care less about our debt limit and more about our cash flow. We must do what the 2006 Democrats promised to do…
NO MORE DEFICIT SPENDING.

ITguy on October 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Hate to say this, but those two senators sound like they are working together quite well. I think McConnell is a traitor to the Repub party, but in this audio clip . . . he sounds reasonable.

joecollins on October 3, 2013 at 1:17 PM

‘Imagine if every taxpayer in the country could just perform an act of civil disobedience and stop funding their stupid, corrupt, conniving, oppressive, and insane government in Washington by stop paying their taxes…

{{a few seconds go by}}

OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG!

OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG!

OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG!

OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG!

OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG!

OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG!’

- President Barack ‘MrAssHO!’ Obama

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 1:22 PM

I hope his teeth fall out when he lies.

Schadenfreude on October 3, 2013 at 1:31 PM

I want someone in the media to ask Jay Carney if his boss agrees with Senator Reid that there’s no reason to help kids with cancer.

Chris of Rights on October 3, 2013 at 1:31 PM

“We’re gonna win this” = We’re gonna destroy the American economy, destroy hard working families, cause global financial panic because we’re cry babies who are still upset we keep loosing elections

cornfedbubba on October 3, 2013 at 1:32 PM

ITguy on October 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM

*Clink* It’s just good political chess. Nice summation.

newtopia on October 3, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Fast biz lunch, huh?

verbaluce on October 3, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Lolz! You really didn’t think I could leave and pass up such low hanging fruit from someone on your/our side of the isle did you? I was fixing to walk out the door when I saw it. Bad news though, I already have a P.A., she keeps a very tight schedule for me. She said to tell you that job is filled. Sorry.

Bmore on October 3, 2013 at 2:03 PM

cornfedbubba on October 3, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Aw. How quaint. Moist towelette?

Bmore on October 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM

ITguy on October 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Doesn’t raising the debt ceiling just increase the Dems’ credit card for further spending?

onlineanalyst on October 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM

If your party gave a flying f*ck about the memorial, they would have tried to keep it open while negotiating the shut down.

They did not, so spare me this enormous pile of bullish*t

Dave Rywall on October 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM

It’s always open. It took more manpower in one day to erect barriers than the site normally uses all year long; there is no staff.

You need to brush up, son.

Bishop on October 3, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Don’t confuse the porr basset. Conditions in the Dildo jail are dreaaadful.

katy the mean old lady on October 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Hey, trolls, you’re wanted in this thread:

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/03/obama-imagine-if-a-worker-could-shut-down-a-manufacturing-plant-just-because-they-didnt-get-what-they-want/

Two and half pages of comments, and everyone’s wondering where you are.

CurtZHP on October 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Remember when the Republicans were scared of a shutdown?

John the Libertarian on October 3, 2013 at 2:14 PM

They did not, so spare me this enormous pile of bullish*t

Dave Rywall on October 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Uh, actually, Einstein, Rep. Peter King was down there, distracting police. What’s more, Einstein, is the memorial was constructed with PRIVATE donations. It’s your lover boy playing the bully again.

John the Libertarian on October 3, 2013 at 2:17 PM

“We’re gonna win this” = We’re gonna destroy the American economy, destroy hard working families, cause global financial panic because we’re cry babies who are still upset we keep loosing elections

cornfedbubba on October 3, 2013 at 1:32 PM

haha, y’all are losing it!

Murphy9 on October 3, 2013 at 2:22 PM

hahahahaha. God, how I hate the GOP.

lostmotherland on October 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

If your party gave a flying f*ck about the memorial, they would have tried to keep it open while negotiating the shut down.

They did not, so spare me this enormous pile of bullish*t

Dave Rywall on October 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM

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Can we get a better class of trolls for Hotair. Apparently Rywall doesn’t realize that they GOP tried to fund Memorials and Parks, but it was the petulant whiny children of the DNC who voted it down.

“We’re gonna win this” = We’re gonna destroy the American economy, destroy hard working families, cause global financial panic because we’re cry babies who are still upset we keep loosing elections

cornfedbubba on October 3, 2013 at 1:32 PM

The American economy is ALREADY in the tank. Go look up hyperinflation. And in 10 years just the interest on our debt will be paying for China’s military.

melle1228 on October 3, 2013 at 2:33 PM

ITguy on October 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Doesn’t raising the debt ceiling just increase the Dems’ credit card for further spending?

onlineanalyst on October 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM

There are two separate issues:
1) The credit/debt limit
2) The ongoing actual spending

Raising the debt limit does enable additional additional deficit spending, but doesn’t directly cause it. What causes the spending is appropriations bills.

There is a part of me that likes the thought that the combination of…

1) Hitting the debt limit (which we did in May), and
2) Exhausting the “Extraordinary Measures” (which we’re told will happen in a few weeks)

… would mean that Treasury would only be allowed to spend in outlays what it brings in in revenues. But I think that going from Trillion dollar deficits to zero deficit spending in 2 weeks without any Republican input would be a nightmare. Obama would direct the cuts.

I think it’s probably better to increase the debt limit one more time, by $1 Trillion, because:
1) We’ve already borrowed more than half of that already, under the name of “Extraordinary Measures”
2) It’s better to take that hiden “Extraordinary Measures” borrowing and bring it into the light by exchanging it for Treasury securities so we know what our true debt is
3) The remaining $450 Billion provides a temporary cushion and takes the “default” rhetoric off the table for Democrats
4) Republicans can say that’s the last debt limit increase they will pass… that $450 Billion in credit used to last us five years and now will only last 5 MONTHS unless we actually do what the Democrats promised to do (“no more deficit spending”, “go line by line through every item in the federal budget and eliminate programs that don’t work”):

2006:

Over the past decade, the Republican controlled Congress took our nation in the wrong direction. Too many Americans are paying a heavy price for those wrong choices: record costs for energy, health care and education; jobs shipped overseas; and budgets that heap record debt on our children. For millions, the middle-class dream has been replaced by a middle-class squeeze…

Democrats are proposing a New Direction for America…

With integrity, civility and fiscal discipline, our New Direction for America will use commonsense principles to address the aspirations and fulfill the hopes and dreams of all Americans. That is our promise to the American people….

Our federal budget should be a statement of our national values. One of those values is responsibility. Democrats are committed to ending years of irresponsible budget policies that have produced historic deficits. Instead of piling trillions of dollars of debt onto our children and grandchildren, we will restore “Pay As You Go” budget discipline.

Budget discipline has been abandoned by the Bush Administration and its Republican congressional majorities. Congress under Republican control has turned a projected $5.6 trillion 10-year surplus at the end of the Clinton years into a nearly $3 trillion deficit– including the four worst deficits in the history of America. The nation’s debt ceiling has been raised four times in just five years to more than $8.9 trillion. Nearly half of our nation’s record debt is owned by foreign countries including China and Japan. Without a return to fiscal discipline, the foreign countries that make our computers, our clothing and our toys will soon be making our foreign policy. Deficit spending is not just a fiscal problem – it’s a national security issue as well.

Our New Direction is committed to “Pay As You Go” budgeting – no more deficit spending.

2007:

After years of historic deficits, this 110th Congress will commit itself to a higher standard: pay-as-you-go, no new deficit spending. Our new America will provide unlimited opportunity for future generations, not burden them with mountains of debt.

- New Speaker Nancy Pelosi, 01/04/2007

2008:

“I want to go line by line through every item in the federal budget and eliminate programs that don’t work, and make sure that those that do work, work better and cheaper…”

- Barack Obama, 2008

ITguy on October 3, 2013 at 2:34 PM

hahahahaha. God, how I hate the GOP.

lostmotherland on October 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Nothing intelligent to contribute to the conversation again. You sound just like your President.. Bravo!

melle1228 on October 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM

lostmotherland on October 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Ditch lover?

Go find a ditch to die in.
lostmotherland on December 21, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Bmore on October 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM

hahahahaha. God, how I hate the GOP.

lostmotherland on October 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Over/under on this idiot going out and committing violence?

Murphy9 on October 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Over/under on this idiot going out and committing violence?

Murphy9 on October 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Oh, it’s just a matter of time for someone that unhinged.

CurtZHP on October 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Dave Rywall on October 3, 2013 at 11:32 AM

…who gave DickDryRot penicillin?

KOOLAID2 on October 3, 2013 at 11:21 PM

It warms my heart to see how Obama’s overreach is closing parks even here in Puerto Rico. So hilarious to see people foaming at the mouth. Tourists can’t access the old Spanish forts in Old San Juan or the national rainforest in El Yunque.

The best part is the independentistas who say that they want independence but just want to change the Federal transfers from direct subsidies to “reparations,” whatever that means. They are particularly hard hit by having to see how unimportant they really are. Their “national” symbols are closed by a fight 4,000 miles away! And no one pays attention to their bleeting.

Priceless.

JoseQuinones on October 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM

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