Report: D.C. attacker was a Conn. dental hygienist with a history of mental illness

posted at 10:01 pm on October 3, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

The bizarre attack at the White House and Capitol today was reportedly perpetrated by a 34-year-old dental hygienist licensed in Connecticut. Miriam Carey, who was killed by law enforcement after ramming White House barricades and fleeing to the Capitol, had a toddler in the car with her, according to New York Post reporting:

Sources said Miriam Carey, who formerly lived in Brooklyn, was licensed to practice in New York and Connecticut and had a permit to work as a hygienist in Connecticut prisons.

At least a dozen gunshots were fired when she tried to flee cops, who had trapped her two blocks from the Capitol. She was believed to have been hit several times.

A child believed to be a girl about 2 or 3 years old was found unhurt in her black Infiniti sedan, which had Connecticut license plates.

Authorities had no immediate explanation of the woman’s motive. But Capitol Police chief Kim Dine told reporters there was no reason to believe it was an act of terrorism “or anything other than an isolated incident.”

ABC News said the 34-year-old woman had a history of mental health issues. A task force of FBI and Secret Service agents was executing a search warrant at her Connecticut home, CNN said.

Thank God the child seems to have been unharmed, considering the intensity and confusion of the confrontation and the number of shots fired. “Video images showed a young child, her hair in braids, being carried by an officer to the back of a patrol car,” according to the Washington Post, which identifies her as a 1-year-old daughter:

Her sister, Amy Carey, a Brooklyn nurse, was incredulous when she was reached Thursday afternoon and told what had happened outside the Capitol.

“That’s impossible. She works, she holds a job,” said Amy Carey, who confirmed that her Stamford-based sister drove a black car. She said she knew of nothing that would bring her sister to Washington. “She wouldn’t be in D.C. She was just in Connecticut two days ago, I spoke to her. . . . I don’t know what’s happening. I can’t answer any more.”

Buzzfeed has a picture of Carey.

Before we knew any of this, though, at least one person on Capitol Hill had to blame the incident on the government shutdown. You can always count on Sheila Jackson Lee:


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Secret Security 1: “We got Obama’s girlfriend heading for the White House”.
Secret Security 2: “Again? She bringing the love child with her this time?”
Secret Security 1: “Roger, she’s heading for the barricades. Stop her at all costs.”
Secret Security 2: “I thought da Prez always went golfing when he left the White House….”.

Great stories to tell…

albill on October 4, 2013 at 7:55 AM

More plausible in the case of the Navy Yard shooter.

mankai on October 4, 2013 at 9:36 AM

-One article said that, at some point, she missed 2-3 weeks of work after suffering a fall.
-She was said to have been fired over either complaints by patients that she was too rough or over a dispute over whether or not she could use a handicapped parking space.
-Driving an Infiniti?
-Living in Stamford?

Not that it’s relevant to yesterday’s events, but I wonder if she was living on a settlement of some sort.

justltl on October 4, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Postpartum depression is a very evil thing, but this is just a terrible situation. In retrospect, you just wish that the police had used rubber bullets. Of course, hindsight is 20/20 and she could have been a terrorist so I can’t entirely condemn the police.

The media though is driving me crazy. All they are talking about is the that the Capitol police are serving without pay.

The police, most appeared to be white, made split-second decisions that resulted in the death of a young, black mother, who may not have had a gun but did have a weapon: A car and she was using it.

The Perpetual Victim and Grievance Committee is silent.

There are no vigils.

There are hardly any questions.

George Zimmerman, a ‘white Hispanic,’ made a split-second decision that that resulted in the death of a young, black teenager, who may not have had a gun, but did have a weapon: His fists and he was using them to pound GZ’s head into the pavement.

The Perpetual Victim and Grievance Committee went nuts.

There were vigils.

There were protests.

There were threats.

There were takeovers of the FL Capitol.

There were demands for an arrest and then they’d be satisfied.

When there was an arrest, they demanded a trial.

When there was a trial and he was acquitted, they demanded Eric Holder prosecute him.

Marching bands for Trayvon’s name on the field at half-time.

Celebrities wear his face emblazoned on hoodies to award ceremonies.

Congressmen wear hoodies on the floor of the House in his honour.

The President claims that his son would look like Trayvon.

Trayvon is Emmitt Till, you know.

Miriam Carey? She’s nothing, because they to-be-paid Capitol Hill police are useful ‘props’ (to use liveenslavedthendie and DaVerb’s favourite word) in the latest government shutdown skirmish.

Do you know who else is silent?

The Django Dorner Brigade!

The Cop Killer Lovers On The Left Send A Big, Wet, Sloppy Bar Rafaeli To Cop Killer

The Depraved, Ghoulish Left Cheers On Dorner As Shootout Continues…Dead? Time To Riot?


No, The San Bernadino Police Did NOT “Act Stupidly” Or “Murder” Django Dorner

Resist We Much on October 4, 2013 at 9:39 AM

ajacksonian on October 4, 2013 at 8:04 AM

What he said.

And that “mental illness” charge smells just a little too convenient for my tastes.

Cleombrotus on October 4, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Who has the greater mental illness Sheila Jackson Lee or the woman who was killed?

bgibbs1000 on October 4, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Heh.

Cleombrotus on October 4, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Before we knew any of this, though, at least one person on Capitol Hill had to blame the incident on the government shutdown. You can always count on Sheila Jackson Lee:

Carey could have been out chasing squirrels in her backyard with a tennis racket and the narrative from Sheila Jackson Lee would be that she’s participating in the shaved Yeti’s “lets move” program.

Some people just are not worth listening to except for entertainment.

Look, a woman with mental health problems “lost it” and for whatever reason thought that the lazy stupid bastard in the White House was stalking her. It points out just how hard it is for even friends and family to recognize the problem before an individual shoots up a school or Navy office building or rams the gates at DC compounds. I don’t see Carey as anything but a victim here. I’m not going to speculate on why Capitol Police thought she had to die but sometimes a crazy woman is just a crazy woman.

Happy Nomad on October 4, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Who has the greater mental illness Sheila Jackson Lee or the woman who was killed?

bgibbs1000 on October 4, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Neither. I think the voters of the 18th Congressional District of Texas suffer greater mental illness than either a troubled young woman from CT or a stupid partisan whore from Houston.

Happy Nomad on October 4, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Compare this video to others out there. This one is clear and full length.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyszhTz8fQ4&hd=1
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diogenes on October 4, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Looks clear to me that it was the police cars in pursuit that herded her up into that driveway. They gave her no other way to flee. So it seems quite possible she had no designs on attacking Fedzilla at all.

Why were the police chasing her car to start with? Did I miss that?

petefrt on October 4, 2013 at 9:56 AM

What would it have hurt to allow that woman to leave and then just go pick her up later? The cops had already been right up close to her. They had seen not only her car, but her face as well at that distance, so it’s not like they couldn’t ID her.

Bottom line, is that she was unarmed. No gun, no bomb, and even the early reports of “ramming” with her car don’t seem likely, as the car clearly wasn’t damaged in the video. For all intents and purposes, it looks like they just blew this woman away for making a wrong turn.

Murf76 on October 4, 2013 at 9:58 AM

-Driving an Infiniti?
-Living in Stamford?

justltl on October 4, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Follow the money. It works every time.

petefrt on October 4, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Before we knew any of this, though, at least one person on Capitol Hill had to blame the incident on the government shutdown. You can always count on Sheila Jackson Lee.
– Erika

Using a tragedy like this for political barbs…shivers.

Jackson has company with a good chunk of HA posters during yesterday’s thread on this incident. I can’t easy to imagine Erika doing the same thing.

Outrage for lunch, hypocrisy for dinner.

verbaluce on October 4, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Only time and information can tell since there’s so many conflicting reports…but at the present I’d say this was a mentally unhinged woman who decided to go meet Obama to get him to fix her life or stop “stalking her.” She drove down to DC, and drove up to the first White House barricade where was told she couldn’t get in. She evidently argued with the security guy who may or may not have demanded she get out of the car (he was evidently hammering on the window after she rolled it up), then tried to then drive forward through the barricade and bumped into it, then she backed up and tried to drive away at which time the security officer stepped in front of her car, she then tried to drive around him and go away and that’s when he “rolled off the hood.”

As for the direction of flight — *that’s* the direction you *have to go* to get to one of the main roads leading north out of DC. So she’s acting erratically and is some level of threat, but so far not the high speed ramming attempt at the White House gates were we were all initially told happened. She didn’t ram the gates, she bumped into them at low speed. Then she didn’t drive to attack the Capitol Building area, that’s just one of the main routes out of town and if you don’t know DC streets it’s easy to get turned around.

As for the “officer down” — now we know she never actually injured anyone, and this call came in when a police officer was driving at high speed when the automatic barrier system popped out of the street and he rammed a barrier. So this “officer down” radio cry that elevated the situation was caused by their own security system, not the woman.

Another police car was damaged when it tried to ram her Infiniti and missed, ramming another barrier, leading to more radio calls for assistance. Then in what looks like panic the crazy lady, probably literally out of her mind with fear and whatever else was driving her mental condition, drove in circles until they boxed her in — and according to some reports security/police fired at her car while she was in motion.

Where did all the missed bullets go that didn’t hit the car?? Did the officers not think about bystanders??

Then once boxed in she attempted to leave the car, and officers at point blank range shot her down in a hail of bullets, she fell back into the car and they continued firing at her. Only a miracle the baby wasn’t also killed by the 8-10 officers cranking off rounds at the car.

From what little I know so far…not the finest moment for our nation’s capitol’s law enforcement and security officials…where was their training? If they can’t handle a depressed dental hygienist in a luxury car toting a one-year old, how would they handle, God forbid, an actual attack?? They certainly didn’t acquit them selves well in the Navy Yard shooting when the SWAT team that was there in minutes was told to stand down…seems pretty dysfunctional to me.

EasyEight on October 4, 2013 at 9:59 AM

So the story is the unarmed lady got out of her car, when they finally stopped it.

and the fed gestapo gunned her down like bonnie n clyde in the middle of the street.

sniffles1999 on October 4, 2013 at 10:01 AM

EasyEight on October 4, 2013 at 9:59 AM

That’s about the way it looks to me too. All the hype is likely CYA for security people who probably sense that they over-reacted.

petefrt on October 4, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Using a tragedy like this for political barbs…shivers.

Jackson has company with a good chunk of HA posters during yesterday’s thread on this incident. I can’t easy to imagine Erika doing the same thing.

Outrage for lunch, hypocrisy for dinner.

verbaluce on October 4, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Dora the Explorer did it from the House floor before the facts were even known. So did Charlie Rangel…although he did say that when he heard the shots, he thought they were fired by ‘someone frustrated with the Republicans.’

I can only imagine the horror of MSNBC, the Daily Kooks, and the Huffington Post when they heard that. Their early meme was that it was a Tea Partier terrorist-suicide bomber-jihadist-Talibani-brown shirt-stupid-racist-sexist-homophobic-Islamophobic-xenophobic-home-schooled-dirt-eating-snake-handling-brother-marrying-deer-shooting-squirrel-eating-hick-n-hustering-trailer-park-living-moonshine-running-meth-cooking-one-tooth-brushing-single-hair-comb-overing-blue-plate-’n-light-special-luvin’-stand-at-attention-WalMart-shopping-ignorant-untravelled-flag-waving-cry-in-my-beers-with-Lee-Greenwood-Teabag-waving-guns-n-Bibles-bitter-clinging Neanderthal.

Resist We Much on October 4, 2013 at 10:08 AM

EasyEight on October 4, 2013 at 9:59 AM

That is my problem with this as well.

The Secret Service is trained to be prepared for terrorist attacks and car/truck bombs are a known method that can be countered by more than just bollards. The engine block of a vehicle offers a decent sized target and getting one decent shot at that with something moderately armor piercing or even just hardened (as a few ammo manufacturers show in videos) will get a vehicle on the slow-down within a second or two.

If this blockade was not prepared for a terror attack then why not?

If it was then where were the trained individuals who have been trained to think clearly when there is a vehicular threat at a stopping point? As the Secret Service was at the scene, then where were the trained and armed individuals necessary to damage a vehicle so it can be properly neutralized?

Putting spiked tire mats down is not a difficult nor time consuming ordeal, and there are police checkpoints that utilize those routinely, so you would think the Secret Service is aware of them.

Engine block.

Shredded tires.

Funneled traffic with bollards.

Going after the driver is great if you get a clear shot, but if you can see the front half of the vehicle you have a clear shot at the engine block. And if it is coming right at you then you can get the radiator, alternator, wiring harnesses and the engine block… because terrorists love to duck down under the dash and use the engine block as cover, and the rest of the vehicle as mere concealment.

Where was the professionalism and grace under pressure of the Secret Service? I’m expecting them to be the frosty ones… so WTF is going on here?

I’m less concerned with the mental state of the deranged than I am of the sane at this point. If the Secret Service doesn’t know how to deal with vehicular based terror threats then the rot has gotten deeply in and will spread quickly as these are supposed to be the pinnacle of LE to protect the President. When they help set up and man something like this… then what comes next begins to look like Iron Times.

ajacksonian on October 4, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Looks clear to me that it was the police cars in pursuit that herded her up into that driveway. They gave her no other way to flee. So it seems quite possible she had no designs on attacking Fedzilla at all.

Why were the police chasing her car to start with? Did I miss that?

petefrt on October 4, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Um…. They were trying to arrest her, they didn’t want to give her any chance to flee.

Happy Nomad on October 4, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Happy Nomad on October 4, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Thanks. I’d forgotten about the ‘altercation’ she had with security people.

petefrt on October 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Where was the professionalism and grace under pressure of the Secret Service? I’m expecting them to be the frosty ones… so WTF is going on here?

I’m less concerned with the mental state of the deranged than I am of the sane at this point. If the Secret Service doesn’t know how to deal with vehicular based terror threats then the rot has gotten deeply in and will spread quickly as these are supposed to be the pinnacle of LE to protect the President. When they help set up and man something like this… then what comes next begins to look like Iron Times.

Yep, though I dunno what “Iron Times” means.

EasyEight on October 4, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Couldn’t they tase this poor woman, or use some other non-lethal weapon? I mean, she didn’t seem to be carrying. I think the cops overreacted here.

Ward Cleaver on October 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Is there any video of her ramming a barricade? The front of her car does not appear to be damaged.

stvnscott on October 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM

If you are not part of the special class, you are supposed to accept MMA beat down and having your head bashed into concrete and not respond to the attack with lethal force.
If you are part of the special class, you are allowed to gun down people if you have the slightest imagination enabled thought they might possibly cause you a broken finger nail or worse.

astonerii on October 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Also, on behalf of the state of Texas, I would like to extend a personal apology for the embarrassment that is Sheila Jackson-Lee.

stvnscott on October 4, 2013 at 10:56 AM

They gave her no other way to flee.
petefrt on October 4, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Yes – whatever were the Secret Service and the Capitol police thinking in not letting her escape?!!??!!!

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Where are Sharpton and Jackson? Don’t they know that this young lady was black? There had to be racist motives for killing this unarmed girl.

L. E. Light on October 4, 2013 at 11:01 AM

I am always having an internal debate as to who is the stupidest member of Congress: Sheila or Hank ‘Tippin’ Guam’ Johnson.

Your choice?

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Gwen Moore.

Steve Eggleston on October 3, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Pregnancy is a disease for $500!

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Paging Egg! Would Steve Eggleston please pick up the white courtesy phone???

Dem Rep. Gwen Moore: I’m Standing With Furloughed Government Workers By Collecting My $174K Salary During Shutdown…

Resist We Much on October 4, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Compare this video to others out there. This one is clear and full length.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyszhTz8fQ4&hd=1
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diogenes on October 4, 2013 at 9:26 AM

The police lied yesterday in the press conference. They said NO shots were fired at the first location – the barrycades.

faraway on October 4, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Couldn’t they tase this poor woman, or use some other non-lethal weapon?
Ward Cleaver on October 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Yeah, I can’t understand how, with only a few seconds to work with and the White House & Capitol facing a possible car-bomb threat the Secret Service didn’t just use a Jedi Mind Trick instead.

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 11:22 AM

The cops in my family are calling BS on this shooting. Something is very wrong.

Then very convenient that the words, “mental illness” get leaked to the press. Of course, there really won’t be an investigation of this; the “unpaid” police officers will be made out to be heroes.

By the way, I’m a right winger. This sounds like absolute BS to me.

patch on October 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM

verbaluce on October 4, 2013 at 9:59 AM

You’re just ticked off because, once again, it didn’t turn out to fit the “TEA Party” narrative. So, you resort to the “everybody was wrong!”. Well, can you point to any Republican who took to the House floor in the first 5 minutes to blame anybody over this?

No you can’t. But thanks for playing.

mankai on October 4, 2013 at 11:37 AM

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Every car in DC is potentially a “car bomb threat”. Better start mowin’ ‘em all down.

mankai on October 4, 2013 at 11:38 AM

EasyEight on October 4, 2013 at 9:59 AM
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Indeed EasyEight. A very thoughtful analysis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyszhTz8fQ4&hd=1

diogenes on October 4, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Every car in DC is potentially a “car bomb threat”. Better start mowin’ ‘em all down.
mankai on October 4, 2013 at 11:38 AM

You try parking in front of the White House, much ramming it’s gates with the car, and let me know how that works out for ya. Good luck with that.

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Yes – whatever were the Secret Service and the Capitol police thinking in not letting her escape?!!??!!!

[whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 11:01 AM]

What were they thinking in leaving her a way to flee? Why didn’t they box her in with vehicles, immobilizing her vehicle and letting chaos and emotions settle?

What were they thinking in attempting to immobilize her by standing around the car? She was a known flee’r by that time and she hadn’t turned off the vehicle, not to mention many people still suggesting the perp might have had a bomb in the trunk or something. Why would they think standing around her vehicle would stop her?

Dusty on October 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Compare this video to others out there. This one is clear and full length.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyszhTz8fQ4&hd=1
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diogenes on October 4, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Why were they chasing her before she got to the WH?

faraway on October 4, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Why would they think standing around her vehicle would stop her?
Dusty on October 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

With guns pointed at a gate-crasher, it’s reasonable to think that if the person had no ill intent s/he would surrender. She choose not to and payed the price, putting herself in prime contention for the Darwin Award in the process.

Why didn’t they box her in with vehicles, immobilizing her vehicle and letting chaos and emotions settle?

Watch the tape. She was boxed in. In front of her was the barricade, her car pushed the police car boxing her in next to & behind her backwards to make her escape.

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Piers Morgan is reporting that she was driving an AR-15.

mouell on October 4, 2013 at 12:04 PM

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/03/article-0-1880978500000578-751_634x452.jpg

http://images.smh.com.au/2013/10/04/4803932/art-CapitolCarChase-620×349.jpg

Could you please point out the damage to her car from all that “gate ramming”?

Those Infinti cars must be made of some new space metal.

mankai on October 4, 2013 at 12:15 PM

D.C. attacker

MKH, why do you refer to the woman as an ‘attacker’?

faraway on October 4, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Could you please point out the damage to her car from all that “gate ramming”?
mankai on October 4, 2013 at 12:15 PM

As I noted in an earlier comment, Secret Service agents weren’t concerned about how much damage she did to her car – and correctly so. You’re thinking of insurance agents there. The Secret Service’s concern is how much damage a car can inflict, especially if it contains a bomb or chem weapon.

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Why were they chasing her before she got to the WH?

faraway on October 4, 2013 at 12:01 PM

The incident reportedly began when the woman got into an argument with officers outside the White House. The assumption is that they tried to detain her and she fled, hitting a security fence in the process. http://nypost.com/2013/10/03/capitol-shooter-was-conn-based-dental-hygienist/?utm_source=SFnewyorkpost&utm_medium=SFnewyorkpost

petefrt on October 4, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Piers Morgan is reporting that she was driving an AR-15.
mouell on October 4, 2013 at 12:04 PM

I’m sure he’ll issue a correction and state it was actually a shotgun.

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 12:26 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/03/article-0-1880978500000578-751_634x452.jpg

http://images.smh.com.au/2013/10/04/4803932/art-CapitolCarChase-620×349.jpg

Could you please point out the damage to her car from all that “gate ramming”?

Those Infinti cars must be made of some new space metal.

I don’t see any ramming damage on the car’s front, just some minor dents on the driver’s side — but I count at least 8-9 bullet holes peppering the hood, windshield and the driver’s side door.

EasyEight on October 4, 2013 at 12:28 PM

They’re claiming that she “rammed” a gate and then “rams” into a secret service cruiser before she “crashed.” Well, here is the car at the end of it all…

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1475554.1380834153!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/182999379.jpg

Did she ram these things by backing into them? ‘Cause I don’t see any damage to front end of the car.

mankai on October 4, 2013 at 12:29 PM

in April 2012 she fell on some stairs and injured her head.

There you go

faraway on October 4, 2013 at 12:32 PM

You try parking in front of the White House, much ramming it’s gates with the car, and let me know how that works out for ya. Good luck with that.

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

As I noted in an earlier comment, Secret Service agents weren’t concerned about how much damage she did to her car – and correctly so. You’re thinking of insurance agents there. The Secret Service’s concern is how much damage a car can inflict, especially if it contains a bomb or chem weapon.

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

How about zero damage?

Why so quick to believe the cops/SS? An unarmed mom with an 18 month old brushed a fence (at best) and her life ends in a hail of bullets. No questions?

Walking down the street the cops can come up with 7 charges they can pin on you if they wanted to. And if you ask why you’ll be slapped with an additional “resisting” charge.

mankai on October 4, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Is everybody from Connecticut nuts? One nutty guy shoots a bunch of children, one nutty woman causes herself to be shot outside the white house. Everybody int he state votes dhimocrapt. Maybe we should designate Connecticut and the national insane asylum and put up barry-cades.

Old Country Boy on October 4, 2013 at 12:35 PM

[whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 12:02 PM]

I did watch the tape, many times.

Sorry, but she wasn’t boxed in. Her car did not move the vehicle behind her. In fact, she was able to back up some four or five feet before even touching the police car behind her. And there was no vehicle to the left.

The cop on the right with the van did his job, the one in back screwed up and the one to the left was AWOL.

She was a flight risk and they failed to eliminate that risk. Instead they left a clear path to leave while they all ran up to the clear flight risk on foot without adequate precaution that she was immobilized.

BTW, no proof she was a gate-crasher. Moveable barrier fences are not gates. No, it’s not reasonable to think people who have no ill intent won’t flee. I agree that she was a “darwin award winner” among the whole lot of other candidates on the ground that were lucky losers.

Dusty on October 4, 2013 at 12:45 PM

So the story is the unarmed lady got out of her car, when they finally stopped it.

and the fed gestapo gunned her down like bonnie n clyde in the middle of the street.

sniffles1999 on October 4, 2013 at 10:01 AM

The latest account I read on ABCNews says she did NOT get out of the car.

JannyMae on October 4, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Wal

king down the street the cops can come up with 7 charges they can pin on you if they wanted to. And if you ask why you’ll be slapped with an additional “resisting” charge.

mankai on October 4, 2013 at 12:34 PM

If the woman had just taken a sweet peaceful stroll down a Mayberry back street instead of trying to breach White House grounds with an automobile, you’d have a heckuva great point there. Otherwise, no.

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Moveable barrier fences are not gates.
Dusty on October 4, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Semantics is fun.

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Ok, we have heard from the Mother and sister of this woman. But nothing about the Father of the child. Am I correct? Where the hell is he?

SC.Charlie on October 4, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Shelia …………… the poor woman had tried for a couple of days to sign up for Obamacare and went insane./s

SC.Charlie on October 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Well, Conservatives have been rebuffing the Liberal demand for stricter gun laws with the demand that something be done about mental illness. The Obama administration / Capitol police found and demonstrated their plan by shooting and killing an un-armed mother suffering from Post-Pardum Depression right in front of her child….resulting in a standing ovation by our Washington politicians!

Great Job, guys! What’s next? Issuing hunting permits for hunting mentally handicapped homeless people? That would kill two birds with 1 stone (no pun intended) – gettnig the homeless off the street and eliminating the number of menatlly ill persons.

Good grief!

easyt65 on October 4, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Americans villainized a Latino man for shooting and killing ‘a poor innocent youth’ who attacked him, breaking his nose & affectng lacerations on his head. The kid was unarmed, therefore, the shooter was ‘guilty’. So why are peole arguing it was completely justifiable to gun down an un-armed woman suffering from depression who hit a gate? Just wondering…..

easyt65 on October 4, 2013 at 1:42 PM

the poor woman had tried for a couple of days to sign up for Obamacare and went insane./s
SC.Charlie on October 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM

I suggested earlier that she was just looking for the Obamacare drive-thru signup window at the WH.

Issuing hunting permits for hunting mentally handicapped homeless people?
easyt65 on October 4, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Sounds like a plan to me. What’s the limit?

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 1:45 PM

So why are peole arguing it was completely justifiable to gun down an un-armed woman suffering from depression who hit a gate? Just wondering…..
easyt65 on October 4, 2013 at 1:42 PM

If she were looking for a therapy session wouldn’t she have rammed the gate at a psychiatric hospital instead of at the White House? Just wondering…

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Americans villainized a Latino man for shooting and killing ‘a poor innocent youth’ who attacked him, breaking his nose & affectng lacerations on his head. The kid was unarmed, therefore, the shooter was ‘guilty’. So why are peole arguing it was completely justifiable to gun down an un-armed woman suffering from depression who hit a gate? Just wondering…..

easyt65 on October 4, 2013 at 1:42 PM

The woman was armed with a deadly weapon…her vehicle.

Were the cops on the scene supposed to read her mind and know that she was unarmed and just suffering from depression? Or were they supposed to take her attempts seriously and consider her a possible terrorist?

Police, including FBI and bomb disposal units, surrounded a home in Stamford on Thursday evening that authorities say is linked to the investigation, but won’t give specifics.

Police there said they were awaiting a search warrant from Washington, though 50 people from the apartment building already were being evacuated for the night.

linky

If she’d had a bomb in the car, and had blown up some people, then the same people who are screaming about this “overreaction” would be screaming that they didn’t do their jobs.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

JannyMae on October 4, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Ok, we have heard from the Mother and sister of this woman. But nothing about the Father of the child. Am I correct? Where the hell is he?

SC.Charlie on October 4, 2013 at 1:28 PM

I’m sorry. I don’t have time to search down the link now, but I just read this morning, a quote from the father of her baby, saying she’d been behaving erratically and he’d been concerned for the safety of his child.

JannyMae on October 4, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Hindsight is always 20/20. – JannyMae on October 4, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Hindsight is not alway 20/20 but people do have to react to the situation as it is happening. The woman should have gotten out of the car after the the police surrounded the car the first time. But she didn’t. What most most mentally ill people want is just help, it appears she wanted more than just help. She wanted to hurt or kill someone.

Also, in my humble opinion, they need to reopen State mental hospitals for the seriously mentally ill who can’t take care of themselves. Our prisons have now become mental hospitals for them and are doing a horrible job. 60 Minutes ran a good segment on this issue last weekend.

SC.Charlie on October 4, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Also, in my humble opinion, they need to reopen State mental hospitals for the seriously mentally ill who can’t take care of themselves. Our prisons have now become mental hospitals for them and are doing a horrible job. 60 Minutes ran a good segment on this issue last weekend.
SC.Charlie on October 4, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Yup.

whatcat on October 4, 2013 at 2:07 PM

What most most mentally ill people want is just help, it appears she wanted more than just help. She wanted to hurt or kill someone.

Too early to say. Based on the available video footage, I see her trying to flee, not hurt people.

EasyEight on October 4, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Too early to say. Based on the available video footage, I see her trying to flee, not hurt people. – EasyEight on October 4, 2013 at 2:16 PM

I don’t think so, but I would like to see the footage that you mention. She had already hurt some officers. She had made her statement with her actions that she was mentally troubled. She should have surrendered when they first had her partially boxed-in.

SC.Charlie on October 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM

The race hustlers have been awful quiet …………. so far.

SC.Charlie on October 4, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Too early to say. Based on the available video footage, I see her trying to flee, not hurt people.

EasyEight on October 4, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Well, in her supposed attempt to flee, she put a cop on the hood of her car, so if you see her trying to flee, you must at least admit that she sucks at it.

Ronnie on October 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Just sad all around.

gerrym51 on October 4, 2013 at 2:55 PM

The father of the child is 54 years old.

Galtian on October 4, 2013 at 2:59 PM

she put a cop on the hood of her car

Ronnie on October 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Where did you see that? At no time in the AlHurra video, did she “put a cop on the hood of her car”. And if you watch closely, at no time did an officer come in contact with either the front or back hood of the her car.

Now there was a short period where the vehicle movement was obscured by a wall, and that might have happened there, but there is no visual evidence of your assertion that she put an officer on the hood of her car at that location.

Is there another video which shows what you assert happening?

Dusty on October 4, 2013 at 3:07 PM

“D.C. Attacker was a Conn. Dental Hygienist with a history of mental illness”

Is that a new take on the old canard of

“a disgruntled Postal Worker with a history of mental illness”

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What on Gods good earth does being a Dental Hygienist or being from Connecticut have to do with anything?

jpcpt03 on October 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Where did you see that? At no time in the AlHurra video, did she “put a cop on the hood of her car”. And if you watch closely, at no time did an officer come in contact with either the front or back hood of the her car.

Now there was a short period where the vehicle movement was obscured by a wall, and that might have happened there, but there is no visual evidence of your assertion that she put an officer on the hood of her car at that location.

Is there another video which shows what you assert happening?

Dusty on October 4, 2013 at 3:07 PM
It was in some reports. I don’t know about any video that shows it. We know she hit a Secret Service dude, because he got hurt, but the point remains – she sucks at fleeing.

Ronnie on October 4, 2013 at 3:23 PM

[she believed] that President Obama was trying to communicate with her

Ummmm… what if he was?????????????????????

If you recall, Bill Clinton started his sex chats with Monica during his shutdown.

faraway on October 4, 2013 at 3:41 PM

This is a tragedy, but for those of you blaming the cops, you would have been perfectly OK if the woman ran down a few innocent bystanders or crashed her car, killing the baby?

The police had a driver with a car (a lethal weapon) who refused to surrender to obvious armed officials and then was driving aggressively and hit at least one person(even if it wasn’t that hard). The cops can’t tell if the driver is a terrorist, intoxicated or crazy just by looking. In the circumstances they can use lethal force.

There was a case in Scranton where 2 teens fled the cops and crashed their car. Both were killed. Fortunately no bystanders were hurt. There have been other cases where bystanders have been killed. How long should the cops wait before taking action?

talkingpoints on October 4, 2013 at 4:57 PM

but the point remains – she sucks at fleeing.

[Ronnie on October 4, 2013 at 3:23 PM]

Yes, she did.

Dusty on October 4, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Any of you statist cop lovers here defending the police action and calling me uninformed for saying cops shoot out tires need to read this article from my local news I found in a simple google search.

http://www.mywesttexas.com/top_stories/article_6ebe1af8-e3cc-11e0-afca-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=jqm

Search google for “officer shot out the tires” and see how many instances come up.

You people are disgusting. Cops are not on the battlefields of Iraq or Afghanistan. These are fellow American citizens. Cops think they are at war with us. Disgusting. If the Texas DPS can shoot out tires, why can’t the Secret Service and Capitol Police?

All the linguistics of the cop culture disgust me “stop the threat”, “make it home safe”, bla bla bla… people might like you more if you didn’t act like you were constantly at war with us. People are really starting to hate cops and I can see why. I can also see a backlash in the future whereby cops are rightfully de-fanged of this “warrior ethos”. You really need an MRAP as your patrol vehicle????

dip it in cider on October 4, 2013 at 6:45 PM

I’m glad to see that some of us are concerned that a mentally ill unarmed woman with a baby was summarily shot to death by DC cops who couldn’t or wouldn’t disable her car. I’m thinking there should be a better way, and better training for our police.
Randy

williars on October 4, 2013 at 10:11 PM

@dip it in cider:

There is a difference between stopping a car in a relatively open area as shown in the photo and doing so in an urban environment in which a missed shot could potentially hit a bystander.

That said the story details keep changing as more information emerges.

werehawk on October 5, 2013 at 2:30 AM

werehawk on October 5, 2013 at 2:30 AM

Never stopped the NYPD from opening fire.

astonerii on October 5, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Joker: “How can you shoot women and children?”

Door gunner: “It’s easy , you just don’t lead them as much.”

claudius on October 5, 2013 at 2:07 PM

I’d love to see Sheila Jackson Lee’s expense reports.

TimBuk3 on October 7, 2013 at 8:09 AM

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