Total number of enrollees yesterday in Louisiana’s new health-insurance exchange: Zero?

posted at 6:01 pm on October 2, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via the Corner. Actually, the total number is just an estimate. Blue Cross Blue Shield, the state’s biggest insurance provider and one of four companies participating in the exchange, got a big fat zero via Healthcare.gov yesterday. Chances are, if they had no enrollees, neither did their competitors. But who knows? Maybe two or three people managed to complete the sign-up process with a different provider before their computers exploded.

Sixty million dollars.

Since the marketplaces opened to much fanfare Tuesday (Oct. 1), many of the state’s potential customers have been stalled on the website, unable to move past the portion of HealthCare.gov that instructs them how to set up their profile.

“It’s a situation that we are coping with,” said John Maginnis, vice president of corporate communications for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Louisiana, one of four companies offering products through the marketplace.

The company spent three years and $60 million preparing for Tuesday’s opening, so the lack of momentum seemed a bit of a letdown. Sales agents were getting plenty of calls from people seeking information, Maginnis said, but the agency is not able to sell a policy to anyone without a functioning HealthCare.gov website.

“It was not as intense as we had anticipated,” he said.

Maginnis isn’t sweating it, though, because he expects the spike in enrollees will come not at the beginning but at the end of the enrollment process in December. I think he’s right. Right now the White House is in carrot mode, trying to sell “young invincibles” on the glories of health insurance. But the carrot doesn’t work on everyone: According to Gallup, more than 30 percent of the uninsured were unaware this past week until they were polled that they’re now required by law to buy insurance. As we get closer to December and the need grows more urgent for a big pool of new revenue to cover those with preexisting conditions, the White House is bound to shift from carrot to stick. I’m curious to see how they play that. They’ll hammer the fact that it’s ILLEGAL not to have insurance if you can afford it and that the TAXMAN will make you pay a FINE if you don’t, but they might not emphasize too much that the fine (for this year at least) is the higher of just 95 bucks or one percent of your income. If a thousand Obama speeches on how awesome ObamaCare is can’t create a groundswell of enrollment, maybe strategically vague warnings implying that the IRS might kick down the door will do it.

Anyway, big question: If Louisiana ended up with a donut on enrollment due to grotesque federal incompetence in preparing the exchange websites, how many enrollees did the federal government see across all 34 states where the exchanges are being run out of Washington? Answer: They’re … not going to tell you just yet.

During a conference call with reporters on Tuesday afternoon, officials from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) refused to disclose the number of people who bought insurance through the online marketplaces that are a centerpiece of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). “We have just decided not to release that yet,” said Marilyn Tavenner, head of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

They did, conveniently, release their traffic stats for the Healthcare.gov website, which tells you a lot about how much public curiosity there was in seeing ObamaCare in action and next to nothing about how many visitors were willing and able to sign up for plans. In fact, per Philip Klein, there’s some reason to believe that New York’s administrators inflated the amount of web traffic to their exchange site, whether to explain why their site was glitchy all day or simply for PR purposes. Exit question: What’s the over/under on how many enrollees there were yesterday nationwide?

Update: HHS now says it’ll be a solid month before they reveal how many people signed up yesterday. I’m tempted to call that preposterous and an obvious dodge to buy time, but these are the same people who couldn’t build a functional website with three years’ notice.


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Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:04 PM

OT

JURY IN MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH TRIAL REACHES VERDICT; DIVULGED AT 6:30 EDT… DEVELOPING…

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:04 PM

OT – stay on this witch

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:06 PM

They did, conveniently, release their traffic stats for the Healthcare.gov website, which tells you a lot about how much public curiosity there was in seeing ObamaCare in action and next to nothing about how many visitors were willing and able to sign up for plans.

The stats also tell you nothing about how much of the traffic was due to hackers attempting (and possibly succeeding) in identity theft.

db on October 2, 2013 at 6:07 PM

OT

JURY IN MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH TRIAL REACHES VERDICT; DIVULGED AT 6:30 EDT… DEVELOPING…

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:04 PM

I hope they don’t award that greedy woman a dime. She over looked his drug use and worse his pedophilia. The hell with her. His state has made well over $400 million bucks since he died but that is not enough for her.

Blake on October 2, 2013 at 6:08 PM

This is the GOP’s waterloo.

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:10 PM

One minus one is the loneliest number that you’ll ever do.

MaiDee on October 2, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Didn’t we learn in the dot.com meltdown that it’s not the number who visit a site, but the numbers that sign up that counts?

oldroy on October 2, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Update: HHS now says it’ll be a solid month before they reveal how many people signed up yesterday. I’m tempted to call that preposterous and an obvious dodge to buy time, but these are the same people who couldn’t build a functional website with three years’ notice.

Not only couldn’t they build a functional website – how many hundreds of millions of dollars did they put into this task?

If they had good news, they would have trumpeted it from on high…

Athos on October 2, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Total number of enrollees yesterday in Louisiana’s new health-insurance exchange: Zero?

Remind me again why delaying the individual mandate for a year is partisan politics. Because it sure seems as if the lazy stupid coward’s namesake plan is not ready for implementation.

Happy Nomad on October 2, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Update: HHS now says it’ll be a solid month before they reveal how many people signed up yesterday. I’m tempted to call that preposterous and an obvious dodge to buy time, but these are the same people who couldn’t build a functional website with three years’ notice.

It will be THREE months for you to see a doctor, probably not YOUR doctor for that strep throat under O’Care.

RovesChins on October 2, 2013 at 6:12 PM

It is going to be interesting to see how the liberals talk the poorer young sign up for the large transfer of their wealth to the richer old.

One more speed bump on the way to single payer.

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 6:13 PM

FORE-WARD Error404Care!

Rock on.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 6:14 PM

It’s great they got all the ObamaCare software done before the shutdown — Now they can layoff all those “non-essentail” programmer/analysts who build those systems.

KenInIL on October 2, 2013 at 6:14 PM

It will be THREE months for you to see a doctor, probably not YOUR doctor for that strep throat under O’Care.

RovesChins on October 2, 2013 at 6:12 PM

How can that be? What about these promises?

Happy Nomad on October 2, 2013 at 6:14 PM

“We have just decided not to release that yet,” said Marilyn Tavenner, head of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

The transparency, y’know?

I just don’t see it.
;)

dissent555 on October 2, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Heh, what a disaster. Government can’t even build an enterprise web app, yet liberals will persist in thinking it could competently administer the entire health care system in a single-payer model.

Lawdawg86 on October 2, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Inveterate liars all.

If it comes from the Obama Regime, you know with absolute certainty it is a lie.

We have a very reliable president, after all.

Sherman1864 on October 2, 2013 at 6:15 PM

I’m betting NONE of the states started on their websites before the first of this year!! The states, like Obama and his HHS regulators, figured he would loose and the debacle would fall on a GOP admin. Remember the regulations for states were not completed before last years election and after the states were supposed to respond with implementation plans.

The whole federal HHS admin staff should be put in JAIL and forced to pay back their salaries for the malfeasance of taking a salary for 2.5 years and not doing any work.

KenInIL on October 2, 2013 at 6:15 PM

It is going to be interesting to see how the liberals talk the poorer young sign up for the large transfer of their wealth to the richer old.

One more speed bump on the way to single payer.

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 6:13 PM

The young without the ability to pay will be subsidized, while the older rich will pay full price.

But any way to cut it, there’s a single path to offering those with pre-existing conditions affordable health insurance and that involves creating a larger pool of insured, including the young. Not that those without insurance today don’t receive healthcare, but it’s done in the ER at exorbitant cost.

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Heh, what a disaster. Government can’t even build an enterprise web app, yet liberals will persist in thinking it could competently administer the entire health care system in a single-payer model.

Lawdawg86 on October 2, 2013 at 6:15 PM

It’s easy if you focus on the administration part and not so much on the health care system part. Long before rolling out Obamacare the levels of bureaucracy are akin to programs generations old. But good luck actually, you know, with health care.

Happy Nomad on October 2, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Just pay the penalty.

Suck off the Federal teat like all the other deadbeats.

Beyoncé will be starring in an infomercial for it shortly……..just a call from the FLOTUS and she’s on board.

PappyD61 on October 2, 2013 at 6:18 PM

I’m betting NONE of the states started on their websites before the first of this year!! The states, like Obama and his HHS regulators, figured he would loose and the debacle would fall on a GOP admin. Remember the regulations for states were not completed before last years election and after the states were supposed to respond with implementation plans.

The whole federal HHS admin staff should be put in JAIL and forced to pay back their salaries for the malfeasance of taking a salary for 2.5 years and not doing any work.

KenInIL on October 2, 2013 at 6:15 PM

These aren’t just websites. These are workflow applications, that connect to databases, that have complex security and business rules. These are very difficult things to program, take a long time, and need a lot of testing, particularly in the area of security – and not just on the front end that you see on the websites.

oldroy on October 2, 2013 at 6:20 PM

is this FINALLY the last time will see the words Michael Jackson and Verdict on any “Breaking News”?

You’ll always remember where you were…

PappyD61 on October 2, 2013 at 6:21 PM

more than 30 percent of the uninsured were unaware this past week until they were polled that they’re now required by law to buy insurance.

That’s always the part I enjoyed about this the most, the “required by law” section.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 6:21 PM

If you build it……they may not come.

antipc on October 2, 2013 at 6:21 PM

The young without the ability to pay will be subsidized, while the older rich will pay full price.

But any way to cut it, there’s a single path to offering those with pre-existing conditions affordable health insurance and that involves creating a larger pool of insured, including the young. Not that those without insurance today don’t receive healthcare, but it’s done in the ER at exorbitant cost.

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:17 PM

ER use went up after RomneyCare pass, FYI.

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Healthcare.gov Solyndra

22044 on October 2, 2013 at 6:22 PM

passed, rather.

And you’re forgetting the young who can pay but don’t because they’re young. Those are the ones ObamaCare needs to survive. Those are the ones with the most massive rate hikes.

ObamaCare is totally nonsensical.

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 6:23 PM

They are frightened, what do you think, maybe 20-30000 people enrolled across the nation?

rob verdi on October 2, 2013 at 6:23 PM

So, Wait… Does this mean that when Beckel yesterday said “Millions more than expected signed up for 0bamacare already.” was a fib?

Nah, Couldn’t be.

Then he went on to say “there were only a couple of tiny glitches.”
I suppose you are going to tell me that he fibbed about that too?

LegendHasIt on October 2, 2013 at 6:23 PM

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:17 PM

What happens if I can’t afford the deductible?

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 6:23 PM

I wonder when the divider in chief will say, “There weren’t as many shovel ready projects as we thought there were.” and then let out one of his huge patented smiles. Let’s never forget, this man and his party were willing to screw up the health insurance of 85 percent of the country to Rahm through this plan. This plan is law because they refused to consider the consequences of their actions. If we had a free press in this country, they would have never done this. I can’t imagine what the press would have been if the Republicans had Rahmed through a Social Security reform package that affected so many people, without a Democrat vote.

The majority of our press is undeserving of 1st Amendment protections because they’re nothing more than the media wing of the Democratic Party (thank you Roger Hedgecock). I’m looking forward to the day when the Democrats, and Obama, get the same press that Bush and Republicans get. I’ll bet the Democrats can’t survive it.

bflat879 on October 2, 2013 at 6:24 PM

I was in the Texas Risk Pool which is shutting down due to ObamaCare.
So I have been going to healthcare.gov every hour or so.
Tried 3 different browsers and 3 different computers.
I get up to the security questions and there are none?

I would care but I am on expensive meds – and I have no idea if those will be covered?

redguy on October 2, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Starve

Bmore on October 2, 2013 at 6:25 PM

But any way to cut it, there’s a single path to offering those with pre-existing conditions affordable health insurance and that involves creating a larger pool of insured, including the young.
 
bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:17 PM

 
All 107,000 of them.
 
3/100ths of 1% of the US population.
 
Who all could’ve been easily paid for if the people who claim they “cared” had any charitable notions.
 
But this wasn’t about that.
 

rogerb on October 2, 2013 at 6:25 PM

If you build it……they may not come.

antipc on October 2, 2013 at 6:21 PM

They just need an incentive.

Like Capone said: You can get a lot further with a smile and a gun than you can with just a smile.

IRS penalties and prison time today, tomorrow….well…

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 6:25 PM

107,000 link.

rogerb on October 2, 2013 at 6:25 PM

If you build it……they may not come.

antipc on October 2, 2013 at 6:21 PM

And when they do come, and see the rates and the out of pocket costs, they will leave.

I think the best thing the GOP could be doing right now is to make sure that every American has a rate sheet in their hand. Are the rates a secret? Why do you need to sign up on the exchange before you can see rates?

And whether they are able to keep existing insurance or they are uninsured, when Americans see the actual numbers on those sheets coupled with the outrageous out of pocket costs, rage will follow.

oldroy on October 2, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Just pay the penalty……
PappyD61 on October 2, 2013 at 6:18 PM

I say take it a step further.
Don’t even pay the penalty.

Force them to steal it from you, like the thugs they are.

LegendHasIt on October 2, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Who could have foreseen that a government takeover of 1/7 of an economy would go so poorly?

Oh, that’s right. Anyone with the smallest familiarity of history and human behavior.

chimney sweep on October 2, 2013 at 6:28 PM

but the agency is not able to sell a policy to anyone without a functioning HealthCare.gov website

Let that sink in for a moment. That scares me. This is a giant phishing site!

JusDreamin on October 2, 2013 at 6:28 PM

In the worst scenario for the ObamaCare zealots, the younglings will become confused and avail themselves of their resort……call mom and dad and ask them what they should do…….

BobMbx on October 2, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Update: HHS now says it’ll be a solid month before they reveal how many people signed up yesterday. I’m tempted to call that preposterous and an obvious dodge to buy time, but these are the same people who couldn’t build a functional website with three years’ notice.

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Maybe someone can help me here:

The subsidies, if you qualify, are “paid” in the form of a tax credit or refund. Correct?

And if so, are the advertised premiums on the [nonfunctional] “exchange” shown “after the credit or refund” or before?

And finally, how many people who qualify for a full subsidy A) can afford the full value monthly premium? and B) Actually file tax returns?

BKeyser on October 2, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Funny how this thingy called Google analytics can tell everything on our company site – along with all of our clients within 24 hours.

Traffic, impressions, page views, conversions… its almost like a magical piece of tech from Star Trek.

Odie1941 on October 2, 2013 at 6:30 PM

I would care but I am on expensive meds – and I have no idea if those will be covered?

redguy on October 2, 2013 at 6:24 PM

I hope you get the answers you need.

But to a more serious point, I wonder what happens when the actual premium rates are disclosed to those signing on. Because an awful lot of people don’t have a clue at this point how much they will be expected to pay in premiums. There is a revolt in the making when the financial truth comes out.

Happy Nomad on October 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM

What happens if I can’t afford the deductible?
Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Have Brenanke (or his replacement in a while) just print you up some extra money… Or borrow it from China…

Just like bayam’s idols do.

Golly, have you no imagination? Do I need to have a ‘Navigator’ from India or Mexico contact you and guide you through this.

;-)

LegendHasIt on October 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM

California was being touted as a leader in the implementation of Obamacare. It was the first to approve creation of an online marketplace. The state received about $37 million in Obamacare grants to encourage enrollment in the program. The state itself poured another $225 million, including $130 targeted at Latinos.

California has about 7 million uninsured, 15% of the total uninsured in the U.S. Opposition to Obamacare has been minimal in California. “In California, we have the wind at our back,” said the executive director of Covered California (official name of the state exchange).

California would be a key state to watch, then, no? So how many people enrolled in Covered California (official name of the exchange) yesterday?

Covered California isn’t saying. No one is. All anyone goes on record to say is “we expect more in November and December.” Party on, CA.

de rigueur on October 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM

From what I’ve heard so far, you have to put your information in BEFORE you are even allowed to SEE the possibly policies (admittedly many didn’t even get that far), but what I’m hearing a LOT is that people put their info in, hit submit and then the big “glitch” happens. Now, you know, not being a tinfoil hat here or anything, but coupled with the information that this stuff is not being put into a d-base but rather spit out in text form, I’m curious if a person’s info could be “stolen” in this process without them even knowing it. I mean, you put it in and you THINK it didn’t work, but it glitched after it sent the info somewhere. I’ve seen reports of people trying to get back on only to be told that they already have an account but that the account is not accessible. That leads me to believe that data (their information) is SOMEWHERE.

Does this strike anyone else as a security NIGHTMARE?

UnderstandingisPower on October 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Not that those without insurance today don’t receive healthcare, but it’s done in the ER at exorbitant cost.

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:17 PM

ER use went up after RomneyCare pass, FYI.

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 6:22 PM


By 9%!

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM

I say take it a step further.
Don’t even pay the penalty.

Force them to steal it from you, like the thugs they are.

LegendHasIt on October 2, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Indeed, indeed.

Just never be in a position that they need to send you refunds. That’s the only way they can keep it, as the law is now.

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Exit question: What’s the over/under on how many enrollees there were yesterday nationwide?

My initial thought was no more than 5,000. After this news? I’m thinking somewhere between 1,000 – 2,000.

Doomberg on October 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Not that those without insurance today don’t receive healthcare, but it’s done in the ER at exorbitant cost.

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Dumbdumb, it won’t change.

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:33 PM

NatJour: Obama’s Affordable Care Act Looking a Bit Unaffordable

Whether the quality of care in the new market is comparable to private offerings remains to be seen. But one thing is clear: The cost of care in the new market doesn’t stack up. A single wage earner must make less than $20,000 to see his or her current premiums drop or stay the same under Obamacare, an independent review by National Journal found. That’s equivalent to approximately 34 percent of all single workers in the U.S. seeing any benefit in the new system. For those seeking family-of-four coverage under the ACA, about 43 percent will see cost savings. Families must earn less than or equal to $62,300, or they, too, will be looking at a bigger bill.

Those numbers include the generous tax subsidies designed to make the new system more attractive to consumers.

“In 16 states that HHS studied, premiums were on average almost 20% lower than what the Congressional Budget Office projected,” Peters wrote in an e-mail.

Premiums may be lower than predicted, but they’re not competitive with what workers are now paying for employer-sponsored care.

On average, a worker paid between $862 and $1,065 per year for single coverage in 2013, according to Kaiser’s numbers. For the average family plan, defined as a family of four, insurance cost between $4,226 and $5,284.

Fewer than half of all families and only a third of single workers would qualify for enough Obamacare tax subsidies to pay within or below those averages next year.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 6:35 PM

They’re counting each electron individually, just to make sure nobody gets left behind.

Just watch out for the hanging charms.

nukemhill on October 2, 2013 at 6:35 PM

IRS penalties and prison time today, tomorrow….well…

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 6:25 PM

C/b fun being in a cell with us. Don’t worry.

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Not that those without insurance today don’t receive healthcare, but it’s done in the ER at exorbitant cost.

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Dumbdumb, it won’t change.
Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:33 PM

It works differently in most of the developed world. You just don’t know any better.

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Just pay the penalty……
 
PappyD61 on October 2, 2013 at 6:18 PM

 
I say take it a step further.
 
Don’t even pay the penalty.
 
Force them to steal it from you, like the thugs they are.
 
LegendHasIt on October 2, 2013 at 6:25 PM

 
The dirty little secret is that Obamacare will do absolutely nothing about the free-rider complaint that almost the entire thing was based on (minus the 107,000 people with pre-existing conditions, of course). The same uninsured people will keep going to the hospital for splinters and prescription refills every week or two, and we’ll keep paying for them to it.
 
If a guy was barely making ends meet on $35K and wouldn’t pay for insurance before, chances are good he’ll now choose the annual 1% penalty/tax ($875) instead of buying still-expensive health insurance.
 
That $875 won’t cover hardly anything medically, and the hospitals still have to provide care.
 
Let’s re-visit the thread in five years. I predict we’ll have almost exactly the same number of free riders.

rogerb on October 2, 2013 at 6:38 PM

C/b fun being in a cell with us. Don’t worry.

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Cells? Dude, we’ll be lucky to get a spot in the thatch roofed slat-board hovel we’re assigned to.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 6:40 PM

but the agency is not able to sell a policy to anyone without a functioning HealthCare.gov website

Let that sink in for a moment. That scares me. This is a giant phishing site!

JusDreamin on October 2, 2013 at 6:28 PM

I find that the mirror site at Healthcare.ru works much better.

slickwillie2001 on October 2, 2013 at 6:41 PM

It’s okay. The UK Daily Mail can help the Obama Administration out with some numbers…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2442115/EXCLUSIVE-Less-1-cent-Web-visitors-signing-Obamacare-state-health-exchange-websites.html

Considering all the “glitches,” I can’t believe the numbers are this good.

/

UnderstandingisPower on October 2, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Let’s re-visit the thread in five years. I predict we’ll have almost exactly the same number of free riders.

rogerb on October 2, 2013 at 6:38 PM

No real need I think. We’ll probably be looking at single payer in five years. All this seems to do is strip the middle class of their health coverage while barely covering anyone else, probably by design.

Doomberg on October 2, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Update: HHS now says it’ll be a solid month before they reveal how many people signed up yesterday. I’m tempted to call that preposterous and an obvious dodge to buy time, but these are the same people who couldn’t build a functional website with three years’ notice.

Well let’s see, it would take me about 15secs to write a SQL query to get the COUNT…so a month for the Federal government to do something a private individual could do in 15 seconds? I don’t know, that sounds about right to me.

nextgen_repub on October 2, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Let that sink in for a moment. That scares me. This is a giant phishing site!

JusDreamin on October 2, 2013 at 6:28 PM

My thoughts EXACTLY! Why else would you put your information in FIRST?

UnderstandingisPower on October 2, 2013 at 6:42 PM

You just don’t know any better.
bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:37 PM

If you only knew.

LegendHasIt on October 2, 2013 at 6:42 PM

It works differently in most of the developed world. You just don’t know any better.

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:37 PM

No, it doesn’t. The NHS is currently spinning out a new programme to open surgeries (doctors’ clinics) from 8-8, 7 days a week.

Why?

Because too many people go to the A&E (ER).

‘B-, bu-, but, they have universal healthcare and it’s free!’

- Bray-aming at the Moon

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 6:43 PM

UnderstandingisPower on October 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Ugh, I half joked about that yesterday, making an account that doesn’t get completed in the system and then later you’re told your own name and SS number are already in use so choose another.

This is going to be awesome.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Spotter: Er well, I’m enrollee spotting. I’m spotting to see if there are any enrollees that I can spot, and put them down in my enrollee spotting book.

Interviewer: Good. And how many enrollees have you spotted so far?

Spotter: Oh, well so far Peter, up to the present moment, I’ve spotted nearly, ooh, nearly one.

Interviewer: Nearly one?

Spotter: Er, call it none.

mankai on October 2, 2013 at 6:43 PM

It works differently in most of the developed world. You just don’t know any better.

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:37 PM

The people who’ve gotten used to free medical care have no intention of taking one dime out of their pocket, even under threat of penalty.

antipc on October 2, 2013 at 6:44 PM

It works differently in most of the developed world. You just don’t know any better.

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Your isolated concerns could and would have been easily addressed by free market given time. Concerns were also already caused by your pig government.

The fact that you children only wanted a government solution forced on the entire country means that, as usual, your only real concern was covering your own ass, while appearing not to be immature freeloaders.

Oh, and thanks for increasing my existing healthcare premiums you sack of sh1t. Why are you not man enough to pay for your own adult responsibilities?

ClassicCon on October 2, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Cells? Dude, we’ll be lucky to get a spot in the thatch roofed slat-board hovel we’re assigned to.
Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Optimist.

We will have to dig our own ‘ditch to die in’… and they will charge our families for the bullet….

and rent on the shovel, if we didn’t bring our own.

LegendHasIt on October 2, 2013 at 6:45 PM

You can bet that if the sign-up numbers were astronomical, HHS would be beating the drums and setting off fireworks to announce “the number”.

“We have just decided not to release that yet,” said Marilyn Tavenner

That says a lot. Wonder if they’ve got numbers on the age demographics and are finding ZERO millennials signing up.

Hey boys and girls. Can you say “TRAIN WRECK!”

As for NOT purchasing insurance and being FINED, guess what….there is no “penalty” for not paying the fine. There’s no ‘jail time’ either. So you make sure that at the end of the year, you “owe” Uncle Sugar. You cut a check for that amount, less any “fine”.

Let’s see them collect.

GarandFan on October 2, 2013 at 6:47 PM

The people who’ve gotten used to free medical care have no intention of taking one dime out of their pocket, even under threat of penalty.

antipc on October 2, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Er tax, almost forgot about SCJ Roberts.

antipc on October 2, 2013 at 6:48 PM

It works differently in most of the developed world. You just don’t know any better.

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Condescending azzhole, don’t tell me about third and first worlds. YOU have to be born about 3 times more before you catch up. The world is my oyster.

The US of Zimbabwe will be chaotic with obama’care’. You can invest on this.

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:48 PM

OT

JURY IN MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH TRIAL REACHES VERDICT; DIVULGED AT 6:30 EDT… DEVELOPING…

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Schadenfreude:—:0
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http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/katherine-jackson-vs-aeg-live-lawsuit

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Cells? Dude, we’ll be lucky to get a spot in the thatch roofed slat-board hovel we’re assigned to.
Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Optimist.

We will have to dig our own ‘ditch to die in’… and they will charge our families for the bullet….

and rent on the shovel, if we didn’t bring our own.

LegendHasIt on October 2, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Hell, what cool company to die with!

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Ugh, I half joked about that yesterday, making an account that doesn’t get completed in the system and then later you’re told your own name and SS number are already in use so choose another.

This is going to be awesome.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Ha! I wouldn’t put it past them that they’ve designed their system this way. Who needs to wait for a response before writing to the datebase…workflow statuses for the sign up process, why bother! Haha, oh man I wish I could see their process flows and designs.

nextgen_repub on October 2, 2013 at 6:51 PM

The young without the ability to pay will be subsidized, while the older rich will pay full price.

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Hey, if it isn’t the troll who actually imagines he’s smart.

Tell us, why will the young pay for insurance now when they didn’t before? Subsidies don’t cover the entire outrageous premium prices, deductibles for bronze plans are insane, and cheap catastrophic coverage is no longer an option. So what makes you think the young will sign up now? This isn’t Medicaid, they still have to pay.

NotCoach on October 2, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Let’s re-visit the thread in five years. I predict we’ll have almost exactly the same number of free riders.
 
rogerb on October 2, 2013 at 6:38 PM

 
No real need I think. We’ll probably be looking at single payer in five years. All this seems to do is strip the middle class of their health coverage while barely covering anyone else, probably by design.
 
Doomberg on October 2, 2013 at 6:41 PM

 
Agreed.

rogerb on October 2, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Total number of enrollees yesterday in Louisiana’s new health-insurance exchange: Zero?
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Wait a Tic,

Hopey is ZERO TOO!!

Talk about Serendipity Sumpins!!

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Hmmmm,…………from da WH Propaghanda Division:

White House official: As of 3 pm ET, 6.1 million people have visited HealthCare.gov – @mpoindc

2 hours ago from twitter.com/mpoindc by editor

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Your isolated concerns could and would have been easily addressed by free market given time. Concerns were also already caused by your pig government.

You don’t seem to realize how deeply the market has been distorted by the current model which rewards healthcare providers by service delivered as opposed to healthy outcome. You tell me how the free market can address this primary, underlying problem entirely on its own.

The fact that you children only wanted a government solution forced on the entire country means that, as usual, your only real concern was covering your own ass, while appearing not to be immature freeloaders.

Your attitude is incredibly immature. Those liberals that run the high growth economy are big supporterss of Obamacare, along with much of corporate America. This country cannot compete in the global economy when burdened by a healthcare system that’s exorbitantly expensive compared to that of other developed countries.

Although I realize that according to right wing radio, the problem with this country is the poor, not the reality of a manufacturing sector decimated by China. and US policy that’s permitted it.

The world is my oyster.

The US of Zimbabwe will be chaotic with obama’care’. You can invest on this.

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:48 PM.

And how is that? You’re the world’s most interesting man?

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:55 PM

You’re the world’s most interesting man?

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Don’t know where you got that, moron.

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 6:57 PM

The people who’ve gotten used to free medical care have no intention of taking one dime out of their pocket, even under threat of penalty.

antipc on October 2, 2013 at 6:44 PM

The IRS can only withhold refunds. Which likely will convert the Earned Income Tax Credit into a major source of Obamacare revenue.

de rigueur on October 2, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Someone needs to do a story on the Wallstreet CEO’s that Obama told to come to Washington DC and support him.

They are all under investigation by Obama’s DoJ … what Obama did today was the equivalent of the North Vietnamese forcing a prisoner to read a confession. Only it wasn’t a confession – but a profession of loyalty to Ogabe.

This is sickening. Every one of them is under investigation.

HondaV65 on October 2, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Speaking of JiHadyism,er,..HealthCare,…..le oucharoo:

Frank Thorp V ‏@frankthorpNBC 57m

Rep Miller (D-CA) on floor: “When you’re on the jihad against American’s access to health care, shutting down the parks wasn’t a problem.”

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Treasury: Under Obama, U.S Gov’t Debt Held by Public Up 90%

So, quite obviously, what we need to do is to spend trillions more, especially on a brand-new entitlement programme like Error404Care.

The Federal Reserve’s Explicit Goal: Devalue The Dollar 33%

That’s from last year and it applies to ‘paying off’ 20% of the national debt…last year’s debt.

B-, bu-, but, don’t worry. It won’t hurt real people at all. Just ask ‘economic geniuses’ like Bayam.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Speaking of the Institutes of Health,…………………….

Update: US House approves 3 targeted spending bills to fund DC, National Institutes of Health, National Park Service – @thehill

2 mins ago from thehill.com by editor
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http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/326243-house-sends-three-spending-bills-to-the-senate

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 7:00 PM

You don’t seem to realize how deeply the market has been distorted by the current model which rewards healthcare providers by service delivered as opposed to healthy outcome.

‘Cuz, like, um, ya know, the London Stock Exchange soooooo outperforms anything in the United States…because universal healthcare or something!

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 7:01 PM

obama’s America is a latrine.

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 7:02 PM

We aren’t even close to comparing apples to apples.

I understand that the bronze program is only paying 60% and that is after a huge deductible.

I don’t get why anyone would want to pay for nothing. How often do you get over $20,000 in health costs?

The government health insurance is nothing!

petunia on October 2, 2013 at 7:02 PM

The young without the ability to pay will be subsidized…

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Daughter went online to buy insurance in Illinois and was told, because of her income, she would only be able to get Medicaid. They wouldn’t allow her to buy insurance. She’s furious. She does not want crappy government care or charity.

Fallon on October 2, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Oh, and thanks for increasing my existing healthcare premiums you sack of sh1t. Why are you not man enough to pay for your own adult responsibilities?

ClassicCon on October 2, 2013 at 6:44 PM

How else can they force single payer on the country if they don’t wreck the existing healthcare system and strip most of the working poor and lower middle class of their access to health care?

Doomberg on October 2, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Zero? And I thought that Americans were gonna give it that old Cloward Piven treatment and sign up a gazillion times…Oh well.

Don L on October 2, 2013 at 7:03 PM

We aren’t even close to comparing apples to apples.

I understand that the bronze program is only paying 60% and that is after a huge deductible.

I don’t get why anyone would want to pay for nothing. How often do you get over $20,000 in health costs?

The government health insurance is nothing!

petunia on October 2, 2013 at 7:02 PM

According to our resident economic genius the young will sign up just because…shut up.

NotCoach on October 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM

These aren’t just websites. These are workflow applications, that connect to databases, that have complex security and business rules. These are very difficult things to program, take a long time, and need a lot of testing, particularly in the area of security – and not just on the front end that you see on the websites.

oldroy on October 2, 2013 at 6:20 PM

It’s an enterprise web application, while you may be astounded by the complexity of security requirements and connecting to databases, that’s actually been standard stuff at companies across America for years. Yes, its complex, but that’s what Spring 3, Java EE, and numerous other full-stack frameworks are designed to handle.

Furthermore, they’re having problems which are the result of incompetence, not complexity. Check out this collection of Obamacare error photos, pay particular attention to the one from the Colorado state exchange:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/360049/obamacare-websites-down-across-country-andrew-johnson-alec-torres

That is a full error stack trace for a database exception. It contains the name of the table and indicates that it occurred because not enough memory was allocated to expand indexes on the table. It is absolutely insane to display that kind of information to end users of a web app, that is how systems get hacked. Worse still, its so easy to configure a web app to catch those errors and redirect users to a page with a more generic error message that doesn’t reveal sensitive info about the database configuration, and yet they didn’t do it. It points to a lack of code review (as do the Null Pointer Exceptions) serious security vulnerabilities.

Lawdawg86 on October 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM

nextgen_repub on October 2, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Wait until you get your first bill for your Platinum Plan. You’ll call up DeathCare Customer Support and tell them “I..uh..I never signed up for this” to which you will be told “Well someone did, please remit payment immediately”.

You’ll be left with nothing but the hope that the illegal who stole your identity is being turned down for a lifesaving medicine.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM

But any way to cut it, there’s a single path to offering those with pre-existing conditions affordable health insurance and that involves creating a larger pool of insured, including the young. Not that those without insurance today don’t receive healthcare, but it’s done in the ER at exorbitant cost.

bayam on October 2, 2013 at 6:17 PM

I still haven’t heard an answer to the obvious question…

How do you get younger people to signup for paying thousands of dollars a year, when they have low paying jobs and pay nothing for remaining on their parent’s insurance until the age of 26?

Now I know I’m not a brain surgeon, but (N)OCare defenders can’t really be this stupid, can they?

dominigan on October 2, 2013 at 7:05 PM

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