Rand Paul: Some government idiot sent goons to barricade the memorial; Update: Honor Flight Chicago still a go for today

posted at 8:41 am on October 2, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Is the Honor Flight endangered by the government shutdown? Even though TSA remains funded as an essential national-security function, the agency couldn’t answer questions from local media in Toledo as to whether the government would stop a flight of local WWII vets from going to Washington DC next week to meet at the memorial dedicated to their service and heroism.  Quite frankly, they don’t care, either:

TSA employees were still working at Toledo Express Airport, but when WNWO called the TSA to find out if they would be affected, there was a message that said the public relations representative did not have access to her voicemail or email due to the government shutdown.

In a letter from Marcy Kaptur’s office in the 9th District, it read, “…only services deemed essential for the safety of human life and protection of property will be continued.”

But for a group of World War II vets visiting the national memorial in Washington D.C., an all expense paid trip which is called an “Honor Flight,” the shutdown was not stopping them from seeing the tribute that was inspired by them.

“It just goes to show you why we won World War II,” says Honor Flight of Northwest Ohio President Lee Armstrong. …

Honor Flight of Northwest Ohio has a trip scheduled to depart from Toledo next Wednesday, October 9.

“We will make the call this Friday to determine if the flight is still a go, or if we will have to re-schedule,” Armstrong explains.

He says they are considering going ahead with the trip even if the government is still on shutdown, but when he called the parks service, he was told they would face arrest.

They tried that yesterday, too, but what police officer wanted to be the first to arrest a veteran from accessing a public memorial? I’ve been to the WWII Memorial in DC, and it’s open to the public for no charge. It doesn’t require any ticket-takers or turnstiles. Yet, someone in DC figured that it would make a point to block access to the memorial, and Rand Paul wants to know what “idiot” sent in the “goons” yesterday:

“If Harry Reid and the President want to keep the parks closed— I mean did you read the story today? Some idiot in government sent goons out there to set up barricades, so they couldn’t see the monument. People had to spend hours setting up barricades where there are never barricades to prevent people from seeing the World War II monument because they’re trying to play a charade,” Rand (R-Ky.) said Tuesday on Fox News’s “Hannity.”

Paul’s attack comes after reports that a group of World War II veterans had to break down barricades to access the National World War II Memorial, one of the sites that was closed due to the government shutdown.

Paul also said that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and President Barack Obama are “going to play a game” and that they “like the shutdown.”

“They’re going to play a game with us to say, ‘oh, you can’t see see the monuments’? That’s ridiculous, they’re doing it because they just aren’t serious about this, they like the shutdown,” Paul said.

The Daily Caller reported that the vets actually checked in with the National Parks Service first, but were denied access — and then denied it by the White House as well when Rep. Steve Palazzo tried to intercede:

“We got the heads up that they will be barricaded and specifically asked for an exception for these heroes,” Palazzo told TheDC. “We were denied and told, ‘It’s a government shutdown, what do you expect?’ when we contacted the liaison for the White House.”

Palazzo’s office was in touch with the heads of the National Park Service, the Department of the Interior and the Capitol Police. He says all these officials rejected his request to allow the veterans, many of whom are octogenarians and some of whom are in poor health, to attend.

Palazzo, a Gulf War Marine veteran who has participated in all five of the Honor Flights, blames the White House for making it harder on veterans and playing politics. “At first I thought it was a huge bureaucratic oversight,” Palazzo told The Daily Caller, “but having talked with the officials I can’t help but think this was politically motivated. Honor Flights, which bring WWII veterans to the nation’s memorials, are planned a year in advance and cost anywhere between $80,000 to $100,000. How low can you get with playing politics over our nation’s veterans?”

In a statement, Palazzo noted that he is introducing legislation to ensure that all Honor Flights are granted access this week. “This is an open-air memorial that the public has 24/7 access to under normal circumstances — even when Park Service personnel aren’t present,” Palazzo said in the statement. “It actually requires more effort and expense to shut out these veterans from their Memorial than it would to simply let them through. My office has been in touch with NPS officials and the Administration to try to resolve this issue.”

Jake Tapper reported that NPS barricaded the park because old people might need CPR. No, seriously:

“Park Service did not want to barricade these, but unfortunately we have been directed, because of the lack of appropriations, to close all facilities and grounds,” said National Mall and Memorial parks spokeswoman Carol Johnson.

“I know that this is an open-air memorial, but we have people on staff who are CPR trained, (and) we want to make sure that we have maintenance crew to take care of any problems. What we’re trying to do is protect this resource for future generations,” said Johnson.

They don’t seem terribly concerned about that in the absence of a shutdown:

In case readers doubt the determination of the Greatest Generation who defeated the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese, veterans are now planning “assaults” on other memorials in Washington:

On Wednesday, the scene could repeat itself when groups from the Honor Flight Network — a national charity that brings aging World War II veterans to visit the national monument to the conflict they fought in — are scheduled to arrive at the massive outdoor memorial. Meanwhile, veterans have pondered staging a similar protest at the Lincoln memorial, said Jamie Miller, a five-year veteran of the Marine Corps and another organizer of the Iowa group that stormed the World War II memorial Tuesday.

“We are thinking about jumping the Lincoln memorial too,” he said. “If Lincoln was a war memorial I would do it in a heart beat.”

Wednesday’s rally at the World War II is set to become a political sideshow to the larger shutdown debate, with RNC chair Reince Priebus urging Republicans to show up at the event with American flags to support the veterans and attack Democrats and Obama. Those RNC supporters that show up will find a lot of Republican lawmakers — and at least one Democrat, Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill — at the memorial waiting for them.

Whoever came up with this strategy in the Obama administration should have his head examined. (via Allahpundit’s intrepid link-retrieval efforts this morning)

Update: My friends and Salem colleagues Big John and Amy at WIND say Honor Flight Chicago is undaunted by “goons” and barricades:

Honor Flight Chicago CEO Mary Pettinato told John and Amy that they will still visit the World War II Memorial later today, and are prepared to go as far as getting arrested if they are blocked from taking their group of veterans to the memorial[.]

Audio at the link.


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They are clueless and totally ignorant.

Scrumpy on October 2, 2013 at 10:05 AM

They are desperate to protect their god on earth.

cozmo on October 2, 2013 at 10:07 AM

If you want to throw a fit about respecting their service then the man you need to be angry at is Barack Obama.

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Is it even possible to be angry at a guy who arranges for a press gaggle to be present when he shows up to salute fallen soldiers being brought home at Dover Air Force Base at 0300?

Come on, you can’t be mad at someone so pathetic because they’re…well…so pathetic.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Again, there IS a government shutdown.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:06 AM

A government slim-down.

60% of the government is still working.

sentinelrules on October 2, 2013 at 10:07 AM

I can’t decide who is more pathetic.

libfree who knows so much that isn’t true or verbaluce who doesn’t know anything at all.

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Interesting, during 1995 shutdown, the administration didn’t spend extra money and time to spitefully blockade some of the monuments that Obama is Barry-cading.

It’s all so dishonest, spiteful and stupid. People can see that Obama is spending more man hours blocking these places than would be used during normal days. Where’s all that spite money coming from if the government is “shut down”? That does not make sense.

forest on October 2, 2013 at 10:08 AM

The Tea Party didn’t go out of it’s way to barricade on open air plaza that’s normally accessible 24/7. Obama did that.

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:06 AM

How can you say Obama did that.
Those barricades are heavy.
I’m guessing Valerie Jarret and Chris Matthews probably helped him carry them over there.

Also, Obama had to meet with 800,000 federal workers last night.
And not to give them raises.
Man…tough job.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:09 AM

I’m not sure what contingencies are in place the National Park Service during a government shutdown. I’d imagine they vary depending on the facility in question.
But for sure, things might be different than normal – right?
Again, there IS a government shutdown.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:06 AM

What contingencies do you figure warranted Obama putting up barricades to prevent people from walking somewhere they can walk 24 hours a day with no staff or security present?

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 10:09 AM

If they voted for Republicans, than they voted for this. Elections have consequences.

low-information perfesser on October 2, 2013 at 9:35 AM

you are right…R’s control the House…for 1/3 and the purse strings. and a very vocal and tireless minority makes for a strong negotiator in our republic…and that’s what we are demanding of our representatives in congress.

gracie on October 2, 2013 at 10:09 AM

I’m not sure what contingencies are in place the National Park Service during a government shutdown. I’d imagine they vary depending on the facility in question.
But for sure, things might be different than normal – right?
Again, there IS a government shutdown.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:06 AM

It’s an open air plaza. It’s huge. It’s open to the public even when staff are not there. It’s still being policed during Shutdownmageddon. There is absolutely no reason for it to be barricaded other than someone wanted to go out of their way to make it inaccessible.

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Again, there IS a government shutdown.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:06 AM

A government slim-down.

60% of the government is still working.

sentinelrules on October 2, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Ok.
Now let’s see if we can get everyone to go with ‘slimdown’

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:05 AM

You forgot to note that The Whitehouse Chef is Essential!

jaydee_007 on October 2, 2013 at 10:11 AM

I’m not sure what contingencies are in place the National Park Service during a government shutdown. I’d imagine they vary depending on the facility in question.
But for sure, things might be different than normal – right?
Again, there IS a government shutdown.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:06 AM

If the government is shutdown, who erected the barricades that are non-existent when the government is open.

Have you seen an aerial photo of the WWII Memorial?

B-, Bu-, But, We Must Erect And Man Barricades On An Open-Air Plaza During A Shutdown That Is Open 24/7/365 When The Government Is Open!

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:11 AM

I visited that memorial during the middle of the week. There was not a government employee as far as the eye could see. In fact the booth that was supposed to be open to assist people with the memorial book/information was closed as well and there was no shutdown.

gophergirl on October 2, 2013 at 10:12 AM

There’s going to be a spark that ignites the American people…I hope this government keeps trying to light it.

d1carter on October 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM

But for sure, things might be different than normal – right?
Again, there IS a government shutdown.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:06 AM

You really are a dumb one, aren’t you? The World War II Memorial is an open-air monument made out of carved stone around a fountain. There is no fence. It is open 24/7 just like other monuments and memorials on the National Mall.

Why would a shutdown necessitate putting up barricades when, with a budget, you can visit in the middle of the night without a problem. They’re actually using more resources in this little spiteful stunt than if they were acting like adults.

Happy Nomad on October 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM

FLASHBACK FOR THE TROLLS:

Make Sequester Cuts as painful as possible

nobar on October 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:09 AM

because this is obama’s shutdown and no other’s.

gracie on October 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM

They are clueless and totally ignorant.

Scrumpy on October 2, 2013 at 10:05 AM

They are desperate to protect their god on earth.

cozmo on October 2, 2013 at 10:07 AM

And, their official church: Big, Lawless Government

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Now let’s see if we can get everyone to go with ‘slimdown’

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Not when your Fascist side controls 90% of the media.

sentinelrules on October 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Boehner wants to save the congressional subsidies, Boehner said they can’t let it get out that he wants to save that… Reid let this out…

Fer cryin’ out loud, if this is true, WTF is Boehner doing?

I am gobsmacked…

Scrumpy on October 2, 2013 at 10:14 AM

And, their official church: Big, Lawless Government

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Who spies on them and wants to take them into further military engagements overseas.

Usually, the HATE that sort of thing.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Glenn Beck spoke a little while ago about Boehner and Reid communicating, Boehner is stabbing the Cons in the back, Reid released the letter, this is according to Beck…

Scrumpy on October 2, 2013 at 9:56 AM

He’s talking about elevator button pushers now. My mind is flashing back to George Jetson laying back in his comfy chair at his job which was, literally, to push a button. It used to be funny.

Fenris on October 2, 2013 at 10:14 AM

How can you say Obama did that.
Those barricades are heavy.
I’m guessing Valerie Jarret and Chris Matthews probably helped him carry them over there.

Also, Obama had to meet with 800,000 federal workers last night.
And not to give them raises.
Man…tough job.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:09 AM

So Obama is no longer responsible for the branch of government he runs with an iron fist?

It’s his administration. He’s responsible.

800,000 workers – who will be back to work in a week or two with back pay and who live in a bubble that is doing much much better than the private economy. You don’t seem to care when hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have their work situation harmed by ObamaCare but federal workers have to take a 2 week paid vacation and it’s meltdown time. We have the worst labor participation rate in decades and you’re throwing a fit over federal workers.

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Looks like there is going to be a showdown at the WWII memorial in about an hour. 10:00am local, 1 hour before the vets arrive.

cozmo on October 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Rock On Sophie!! ^ 5

Scrumpy on October 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Flashback to how maturely Obama handled the sequester and how well it worked for him:

According to a study by the liberal website Think Progress, since March 6 the three cable-news networks have mentioned the canceled tours 33 times as often as they have sequestration’s effects on housing assistance, food stamps, and early childhood education. Right-wing talk shows and blogs have been in a frenzy, accusing the administration of backtracking on the reasons why the tours had to be canceled in the first place. After a group of sixth graders from St. Paul’s Lutheran School in Waverly, Iowa, made a video of them pleading with the White House to permit their long-scheduled tour to go on, Donald Trump offered to fund the tours himself, and Fox News hosts Sean Hannity and Eric Bolling pledged to pick up a week’s worth of the $74,000 cost themselves.

Now he’s put up concrete barriers around a war memorial open 24/7 to keep out WW2 vets flying in from around the country.

verbaluce and libfreeordie, you might want to stop cheering and typing and think about the optics of this one for a moment…

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 10:16 AM

How can you say Obama did that.
Those barricades are heavy.
I’m guessing Valerie Jarret and Chris Matthews probably helped him carry them over there.

Also, Obama had to meet with 800,000 federal workers last night.
And not to give them raises.
Man…tough job.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Typical verbalidiocy post progression. Be shown for the dishonest jackass you are, so start posting unfunny snark in response.

Obama barricades Lincoln Memorial unlike during 1995 “shutdown”

NotCoach on October 2, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Ouch, bad optics there. Oh well, beloved President Clinton and the handful of news outlets that control the narrative on TV will prevent this from leaking out.

Oh, wait. :-(

Punchenko on October 2, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Looks like there is going to be a showdown at the WWII memorial in about an hour. 10:00am local, 1 hour before the vets arrive.

cozmo on October 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM

With who?

gophergirl on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 AM

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM

He’s attempting to distract from his own idiotic posts.

NotCoach on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Interesting, during 1995 shutdown, the administration didn’t spend extra money and time to spitefully blockade some of the monuments that Obama is Barry-cading.

It’s all so dishonest, spiteful and stupid. People can see that Obama is spending more man hours blocking these places than would be used during normal days. Where’s all that spite money coming from if the government is “shut down”? That does not make sense.

forest on October 2, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Barry-cading!

Very good.

slickwillie2001 on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Serious You Guys, you don’t realize how much the federal government does. Without the federal government roving bands of barricade erectors are free to roam the land closing off all open federal spaces in America. If the federal government isn’t funded at 100% for two weeks these marauders will spread. Barricades will spring up on your sidewalks, freeways, and bridges.

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Paying for security guards to watch a fence that was added at taxpayer expense to avoid having to pay for security guards to watch the memorial… Federal tax dollars at work. SMH.

blammm on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Anyone know what time they are expected to show up at the memorial?

My dad is/was a WWII vet, I’m a Vietnam vet. I might just walk over there and help out.

TerryW on October 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM

Who spies on them and wants to take them into further military engagements overseas.

Usually, the HATE that sort of thing.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:14 AM

It’s Dog Eater’s Nobel Peace Prize, it has some sort of magical properties which cause bombs to blow people into happy chunks, the victims are actually glad to be scattered across the landscape. No really, it’s fact.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM

It’s an open air plaza. It’s huge. It’s open to the public even when staff are not there. It’s still being policed during Shutdownmageddon. There is absolutely no reason for it to be barricaded other than someone wanted to go out of their way to make it inaccessible.

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:10 AM

I have no idea why the ‘barricades’ were put up. I’m not privy to how NPS operates and what decisions they make during a shutdown, when many of their employees are being furloughed. I would imagine evaluations are ongoing and this is a decision that could be amended.
I’m under no delusion that Obama ordered barricades to be put up to block veterans from visiting sites.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM

With who?

gophergirl on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 AM

I don’t know, its a twitter thing. And I don’t twitter. Caught a bit over at Ace’s and a radio blurb.

It makes sense.

cozmo on October 2, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Have you seen an aerial photo of the WWII Memorial?

B-, Bu-, But, We Must Erect And Man Barricades On An Open-Air Plaza During A Shutdown That Is Open 24/7/365 When The Government Is Open!

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:11 AM

It is all insane. Like Chris Matthews claiming that shutdown meant that they wouldn’t be feeding the animals at the National Zoo. That crazy.

Fact of the matter is most Americans are unaffected by the shutdown. Mail is still being delivered, checks are still going out. Etc. Which is why these stunts were fabricated. They are the visible facade on what is largely not in evidence outside downtown DC. Theater of the absurd.

Happy Nomad on October 2, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Some idiot in government sent goons out there to set up barricades, so they couldn’t see the monument.

Obama did it. Why can’t he say it?

And I have just as much right as a WWII veteran to see that memorial. Every American has the same rights.

This is war, Paul. Get on a war footing.

rrpjr on October 2, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Love this picture

https://twitter.com/AndreaPlunkett/status/385408243864182784/photo/1

Follow this twitter feed – she is escorting the vets today.

gophergirl on October 2, 2013 at 10:20 AM

I love this. The WWII Memorial is a memorial to and for the veterans and the American Spirit. It is not a “government memorial”. The symbolism of the vets, again fighting against a tyrannical govt is outstanding. Let this be not a shot across the bow but a major broadside against a govt that no longer works for the people but against the people. Also, Reid saying we support the govt, not constituents, is exactly the reason that we just ran successful recalls here in CO. Those similar words were used by a recalled rep. I sense a groundswell against a govt bureaucracy that no longer has the welfare of the people as its end, but its own welfare and feeding.

retiredeagle on October 2, 2013 at 10:20 AM

This is what tyranny looks like.

the_nile on October 2, 2013 at 10:20 AM

And, their official church: Big, Lawless Government

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Don’t forget the Church of the Holy Warmers.

Which reminds me again, we should be pushing this slowdown as a huge benefit to Mother Gaia. Look at how low the Carbon signature of the federal government has suddenly become! Think of all the most-evil petroleum that’s not being used, all the CO2 not generated!

slickwillie2001 on October 2, 2013 at 10:21 AM

I have no idea why the ‘barricades’ were put up.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM

You’re a Fluking liar.

Obama barricades Lincoln Memorial unlike during 1995 “shutdown”

NotCoach on October 2, 2013 at 10:21 AM

I’m under no delusion that Obama ordered barricades to be put up to block veterans from visiting sites.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM

Then he can easily order the barricades to be put down, yes?

sentinelrules on October 2, 2013 at 10:22 AM

NPR:

Let me ask about that, Mr. President, because as many people know, regardless of the budget situation, there is a debt ceiling approaching in a little more than two weeks. You’ve said you will not negotiate over an extension of the debt ceiling. I just want to make sure that I’m clear on that. If there is no agreement, if the debt ceiling is — debt limit is reached, if the United States is going into default or at risk of going into default, you absolutely will not negotiate, even in that circumstance?

OBAMA:

Absolutely, I will not negotiate. And the reason, Steve, is because if we establish a pattern whereby one faction of one party controlling one chamber in Congress can threaten default, that the United States of America is no longer meeting its obligations and fulfilling the full faith and credit of the United States unless they get 100 percent of what they want, then we’ve established a pattern that fundamentally changes the nature of our government. At that point, any president — not just me — any president is subject to that kind of blackmail continuously.

FLASHBACK:

‘I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion. That is ‘‘trillion’’ with a ‘‘T.’’ That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President’s budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.

Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we’ll spend on Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans—a debt tax that Washington doesn’t want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.

Our debt also matters internationally. My friend, the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, likes to remind us that it took 42 Presidents 224 years to run up only $1 trillion of foreign-held debt. This administration did more than that in just 5 years. Now, there is nothing wrong with borrowing from foreign countries. But we must remember thatthe more we depend on foreign nations to lend us money, the more our economic security is tied to the whims of foreign leaders whose interests might not be aligned with ours.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.’

- Senator Barack Obama, (D-IL), floor of the Senate, 16 March 2006

FLASHBACK II:

EVERY DEMOCRAT IN THE SENATE VOTED AGAINST RAISING THE DEBT CEILING IN 2006. EVERY. BLOODY. ONE…INCLUDING THE JUNIOR SENATOR FROM ILLINOIS, SENATOR BARACK H OBAMA.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Has there ever been a thread where verbaluce was actually familiar with any of the relevant facts?

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Love this picture

https://twitter.com/AndreaPlunkett/status/385408243864182784/photo/1

Follow this twitter feed – she is escorting the vets today.

gophergirl on October 2, 2013 at 10:20 AM

“Just a whore and some old white racist.”

-you know who

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Fact of the matter is most Americans are unaffected by the shutdown. Mail is still being delivered, checks are still going out. Etc. Which is why these stunts were fabricated. They are the visible facade on what is largely not in evidence outside downtown DC. Theater of the absurd.

Happy Nomad on October 2, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Well, except for tax refund cheques.

Tax ‘Refunders’ aren’t ‘essential,’ you know?

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM

“Just a whore and some old white racist.”

-you know who

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:22 AM

It’s also funny he brings up the 800k furloughed government employees. Most of them he probably wants tortured to death anyways since they are white.

NotCoach on October 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM

I’m under no delusion that Obama ordered barricades to be put up to block veterans from visiting sites.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM

He is the CEO of the Executive Branch.

The buck stops with him!

And, please don’t – as Obama did yesterday – attempt to blame the shutdown on BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:25 AM

I have no idea why the ‘barricades’ were put up. I’m not privy to how NPS operates and what decisions they make during a shutdown, when many of their employees are being furloughed. I would imagine evaluations are ongoing and this is a decision that could be amended.
I’m under no delusion that Obama ordered barricades to be put up to block veterans from visiting sites.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM

Did Obama personally order the barricades put up? I don’t think so but someone in his administration did. And they could only have had political motivations in doing so – trying to make Shutdownmageddon as annoying as possible. Or are you suggesting it wasn’t politically motivated and that the federal government which just co-opted 1/5th of the US economy is so inept it can’t even manage an open air plaza properly?

Obama surely knows about it now yet they persist – they are still planning on barricading it.

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:26 AM

I’m under no delusion that Obama ordered barricades to be put up to block veterans from visiting sites.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM

It was the Dept of the Interior. They work for him, so he is ultimately responsible for this and I look forward to him rectifying it.

You’re not going to win this way.

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Whoever came up with this strategy in the Obama administration should have his head examined excised.

Everyone knows that this came right from the top of the third-world dung heap stinking up the White House.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 2, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 10:26 AM

They are at the grasping at straws stage.

cozmo on October 2, 2013 at 10:27 AM

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 9:43 AM

You’re an ignorant fool, as you’ve demonstrated so many times on this site. But keep lining up at the trough with your “new skool” buddies for all those federal dollars that keep your “communities” running so efficiently and independently. And keep telling yourself that you’re smarter and morally superior to rubes like me out here in flyover country, who can’t possibly comprehend the genius of your vision of our utopian future.

With nearly 17 trillion in current debt, and over 200 trillion in future unfunded liabilities, what could possibly go wrong?

AZCoyote on October 2, 2013 at 10:27 AM

How about a meeting at the WWI Memorial on Saturday. Bring 2 million of our closest friends. The Vets deserve it. I’m in.

Strike Twice on October 2, 2013 at 10:29 AM

The frightening aspect of all of this is the Parks Service employees who are “just following orders”.

batterup on October 2, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Politics is so much about narrative and optics.

For Dems, the narrative for the shutdown is that it’s all those evil, terroristic Republicans fault.

Given the facts about the WWII being open air and open 24/7 prior to the shutdown, it’s obvious that the Dems were looking for the ‘optic’ of sad, old veterans being turned away from their own memorial because of those evil terrorists in the Republican party.

The flaw in their plan was their own dislike and lack of knowledge of the military and their veterans.

Only a liberal would think that veterans that stormed machine gun nests and fought in, around and through enemies dug into tunnels…

…only a liberal would think that these veterans would be stopped by mere wooden barricades.

And thus the optic has changed to determined veterans pushing past a LIBERAL political sideshow.

So now the ‘narrative’ is why are Obama and the democrats playing games with our beloved veterans.

Which is why the lib trolls are out today in a vain attempt to steer the narrative back.

The funny thing is that Obama could still salvage this PR nightmare.

If he had even a sliver of political acumen he would show up this morning at the WWII (and then the Lincoln) memorial with wire cutters and personally remove the barriers all the while decrying the mean old Republicans who did this.

The libs would eat this up and so would the MSM. The lib narrative would be saved.

Unfortunately, Obama DOESN’T have even a modicum of political acumen, so it’s back to the MSM and the lib trolls to tell us to stop looking at the man behind the curtain.

Religious_Zealot on October 2, 2013 at 10:31 AM

I’m not the one making them into props.
You think they jumped into hell so you could spin them into a backdrop for a bunch of reckless GOP reps…who shut down the government of the country these guys fought for.
Show some actual respect and leave them out of it.
And take off that flag…it’s not a coat.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 9:57 AM

You idiot. Nobody is making anybody into props. This is happening and we’re objecting for many and obvious reasons.

Here’s the logic of what you’re saying: If Obama were strangling kittens on stage, you’d be saying we’re making “props” out of the kittens to object, and to top it off, aren’t “respecting” the kittens.

Idiot. Cretin.

Alana on October 2, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Barricades still going up:

https://twitter.com/charliespiering/status/385394308980830208

verbaluce you’d better get Obama on the horn because I hear he knows someone who runs the executive branch that can maybe do something about this.

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Religious_Zealot on October 2, 2013 at 10:31 AM

That would mean being around veterans, men who have more courage in their big toe than Bark has in his entire dessicated body.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:34 AM

BREAKING:

Report: Bestselling author Tom Clancy died in a hospital in Baltimore on Tuesday, his publisher confirms to @nytimes – @juliebosman

1 min ago by editor

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:34 AM

DaVerb, if government is ‘shut down,’ then who is responsible for this?

https://twitter.com/charliespiering/status/385394308980830208

Is that guy a volunteer? Does that machinery run on unicorn farts from My Progressive Little Ponyland?

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:34 AM

I’m not the one making them into props.
You think they jumped into hell so you could spin them into a backdrop for a bunch of reckless GOP reps…who shut down the government of the country these guys fought for.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 9:57 AM

So your argument seriously is that because what they’re doing helps the GOP, they should be thrown into prison?

And on the issue of props, Obama closed memorials that were not closed during the last shutdown: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/10/obama-barricades-lincoln-memorial-unlike-during-1995-shutdown/

So in fact, these vets are actually disrupting Democrats’ attempts to use memorials as political props, and you seem to want them punished and jailed for disrupting this.

You’re a disgusting piece of garbage.

Doomberg on October 2, 2013 at 10:34 AM

I have been at the Memorial in early morning hours,,also the Korean War Memorial as well as the Vietnam Memorial {I was a volunteer with the Park Service when the Vietnam Memorial opened] I do not remember anybody being around to monitor/watch/guard them. This is such a pile of BS. Again, the symbolism, of this is priceless. Again, the Greatest Generation is answering the call. Molon Labe

retiredeagle on October 2, 2013 at 10:35 AM

I’m not the one making them into props.
verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 9:57 AM

It’s their choice. Not everyone is a prop. Some people have autonomy and will. I realize that’s hard for a Statist tool to comprehend.

rrpjr on October 2, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Also, Obama had to meet with 800,000 federal workers last night.
And not to give them raises.
Man…tough job.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:09 AM

You give a new meaning to slow learner. The Executive branch determines who is essential not congress. So the President as the head of the executive branch is responsible for who gets furloughed.
The decision rests with him just like it rests with the CEO’s of private companies. If your paramour can’t take the heat then he can follow in Nixon’s footsteps and resign

chemman on October 2, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Barricades still going up:

Barry-cades. That’s the optic we want. Everyone call them BARRY-CADES.

Someone with a Twitter account start a hashtag. #Barrycades

BacaDog on October 2, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Tear down the Barry-cades!

Viator on October 2, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:25 AM
Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 10:26 AM
gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Spin, spin, spin.
This is the Repubs’ shutdown. They are the reason these veterans had to deal with this hassle.
Their photo opps at the memorial are just cynical attempts to make themselves some lemonade out their lemon.
Tell them to stop the shut down…allow a vote on a clean CR (which a MAJORITY of the house will vote for).
Don’t think we’ll see Bachmann or King much down at the memorial after that.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

This was staged for the MSM. NBC spun it to portray that due to the evil Republicans these places had to be closed but the benevolent Obama admin made concessions for the WWII vets. The MSM is as evil and complicit as the occupation regime in the Whitehouse. It is the MSM strongholds that must be prayed against and stormed.

wepeople on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

I’m under no delusion that Obama ordered barricades to be put up to block veterans from visiting sites.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM

Respondeat superior. He’s chief executive, he’s responsible. Just like Bush. Your rules. Deal with it.

rrpjr on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

US government shutdown impact 2013

Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., calls the WW II memorial closing to vets, ‘one of the most appalling events I’ve seen’ in DC – @jamiedupree

39 secs ago from twitter.com/jamiedupree by editor

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:39 AM

The frightening aspect of all of this is the Parks Service employees who are “just following orders”.

batterup on October 2, 2013 at 10:29 AM

How many other Govt employees are just lemmings who will follow orders eh? yes, it is a frightening aspect isn’t it, and it is somthing we all should think about…

Ditto with the IRS and everyone else who now has power over us…

Scrumpy on October 2, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Oh, old white guys want to go a memorial?

Laughing stocks.

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 9:03 AM

pinprick.

totherightofthem on October 2, 2013 at 10:39 AM

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Then why are you having to repeat it over and over?

cozmo on October 2, 2013 at 10:40 AM

I’m absolutely dumbfounded at how low these leftist fks can get.

Murphy9 on October 2, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Spin, spin, spin.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Yes, do keep spinning away trying to blame the Republicans for Obama’s thugs threatening to arrest elderly veterans. Everyone here is laughing at you.

Doomberg on October 2, 2013 at 10:40 AM

This is the Repubs’ shutdown. They are the reason these veterans had to deal with this hassle.

How is it a public memorial open 24/7/365 suddenly closes when the federal government is shut down? How does that work exactly?

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:40 AM

I’m absolutely dumbfounded at how low these leftist fks can get.

Murphy9 on October 2, 2013 at 10:40 AM

We’ve got a lot further to go. We’ve only scratched the surface. Brace yourself.

rrpjr on October 2, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Tell them to stop the shut down…allow a vote on a clean CR (which a MAJORITY of the house will vote for).
Don’t think we’ll see Bachmann or King much down at the memorial after that.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Why do Reid and Obama want to shut down the government over Obamacare?

Why won’t Reid have a vote on funding the park service?

Why won’t Reid have a vote on removing the exemption for Congress from Obamacare?

BacaDog on October 2, 2013 at 10:41 AM

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

THIS IS THE NON-NEGOTIATORS (Obama and the dems) SHUT DOWN!

Obama REFUSES to negotiate, the repubs have put forth bill after bill and Reid tables every one of them…

Get your facts straight…

Man, you are so obtuse and ignorant, it is beyond unbelieveable!

OPEN YOUR EYES YOU DUMB SCHMUCK!!

Scrumpy on October 2, 2013 at 10:42 AM

I’m not the one making them into props.
verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 9:57 AM

verbaluce:Speaking of Props!!
=============================

Sad…

Obama Forgets the Name of Iraqi War Hero On His Bracelet

Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday,
September 27, 2008
******************

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2008/09/sad-obama-forgets-name-of-iraqi-war/

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Spin, spin, spin.
This is the Repubs’ shutdown. They are the reason these veterans had to deal with this hassle.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Because the Republicans in Congress control the executive branch and they ordered the barricades put up…I think the real spinning here are the loose rocks in your head.

You would take such rank dishonesty to your deathbed, wouldn’t you?

Obama barricades Lincoln Memorial unlike during 1995 “shutdown”

NotCoach on October 2, 2013 at 10:42 AM

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

I don’t care what the pols do in Congress. I truly do not.

I care that the Federal government is erecting barricades to a memorial that was paid for with PRIVATE FUNDS raised by WWII vets and their supporters. These barricades are never there when the government is ‘open’ and your friends can go crap, smoke crack, and have sex in the open plaza…24/7/365.

Why is the Federal government spending money on this?

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Why won’t Reid have a vote on removing the exemption for Congress from Obamacare?

BacaDog on October 2, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Wanna know why? Boehner and Reid are working behind the scenes to NOT remove this exemption…

Scrumpy on October 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM

BacaDog on October 2, 2013 at 10:37 AM

They’re all over it

Roy Rogers on October 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:42 AM

As I mentioned earlier, thank you for including the link.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

You’re just proving your functionally incapable of taking responsibility.

rrpjr on October 2, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Oh, old white guys want to go a memorial?

Laughing stocks.

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 9:03 AM

pinprick.

totherightofthem on October 2, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Tiny, tiny pinprick.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Obama has taken the WWII Memorial hostage. We should not negotiate with terrorists.

Roy Rogers on October 2, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Beck has apostate heretic Joel Osteen on…ب_ب

Murphy9 on October 2, 2013 at 10:46 AM

DaVerb: This is your government ‘at work.’

It put up ONE 8-foot long barricade at the WWI Memorial.

It claims that the Memorial is closed…EXCEPT FOR ‘FIRST AMENDMENT ACTIVITIES.’

So, you see, the WWII vets, who are being prevented from visiting their own Memorial can mosey on over to the WWI Memorial and engage in ‘First Amendment activities’ with no worries.

To you, of course, this makes perfect sense. Quite natch!

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:47 AM

I’m under no delusion that Obama ordered barricades to be put up to block veterans from visiting sites.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM

His administration, the executive branch, made the decision. Since he is in charge the buck stops with him. You should stop taking those illegal chemicals they keep you from thinking rationally.

chemman on October 2, 2013 at 10:47 AM

So they’re paying people to keep it closed instead of paying people to keep it open. We’re saving money now.

Zero-Bama would be speaking Japanese if it weren’t for these patriots. He should have stuck to cancelling White House tours; no one wants to go there with him in it anyhow.

NoPain on October 2, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Spin, spin, spin.
This is the Repubs’ shutdown. They are the reason these veterans had to deal with this hassle.
Their photo opps at the memorial are just cynical attempts to make themselves some lemonade out their lemon.
Tell them to stop the shut down…allow a vote on a clean CR (which a MAJORITY of the house will vote for).
Don’t think we’ll see Bachmann or King much down at the memorial after that.

verbaluce on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

You really are impervious to facts aren’t you.

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:48 AM

This POS is all about Alinsky Rules and Community Organizing which is all about manipulating emotions. He thinks he is so smart[as well as his idiot staff] that he is a super manipulator and can continually screw with people. These kind of people will always overstep their perceived abilities and eventually”stomp all over their own d–k” as we use to say in the military. Let the stomping begin.

retiredeagle on October 2, 2013 at 10:49 AM

“Mr. Obama – TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!”

Harbingeing on October 2, 2013 at 10:49 AM

DaVerb, if government is ‘shut down,’ then who is responsible for this?

https://twitter.com/charliespiering/status/385394308980830208

Is that guy a volunteer? Does that machinery run on unicorn farts from My Progressive Little Ponyland?

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Those aren’t government workers. Those are Tea Party fanatics. I think I see Michelle Bachman operating one of those lifters.

/verbaluce

gwelf on October 2, 2013 at 10:50 AM

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