Boehner after White House meeting: It was “polite,” but they “will not negotiate”

posted at 9:31 pm on October 2, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

After a late-afternoon meeting at the White House between President Obama and Congressional leaders to (ostensibly, ahem) try to resolve their government-shutdown differences, it’s back to the ol’ drawing board. Doesn’t sound like there was any movement either way, via The Hill:

President Obama and congressional leaders emerged from a White House meeting Wednesday evening with little sign of progress toward ending the government shutdown, a standstill both parties acknowledge could last weeks.

Following a 90-minute meeting, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) told reporters Obama had “reiterated one more time tonight he will not negotiate.”

Boehner described the meeting — the first between the president and Capitol Hill leaders since the shutdown began Tuesday — as “nice” and “polite.” But he said ultimately Democrats should appoint conferees to negotiate a compromise.

“At some time, we’ve got to allow the process our Founders gave us to work out,” Boehner said.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called the exercise “cordial but unproductive”; Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, however, emerged grumbling about Boehner’s inability to “take yes for an answer,” while House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi charged that the GOP “keeps moving the goal posts” on what they want from a budget deal — which makes me wonder, did the Republicans try to make some tentative moves on introducing the new, rumored not-a-grand-bargain “grand bargain” idea they’re working on? Robert Costa reported earlier at NRO that Boehner is relying on Reps. Dave Camp and Paul Ryan on devising some kind of big package that will bring the shutdown, the debt ceiling, and some budgetary compromises altogether (medical device tax? sequestration? some tax reform? chained CPI? etcetera) over the next couple of weeks:

House Republicans tell me Speaker John Boehner wants to craft a “grand bargain” on fiscal issues as part of the debt-limit deliberations, and during a series of meetings on Wednesday, he urged colleagues to stick with him.

The revelation came quietly. Boehner called groups of members to his Capitol office all day, taking their temperature on the shutdown and the debt limit. It became clear, members say, that Boehner’s chief goal is conference unity as the debt limit nears, and he’s looking at potentially blending a government-spending deal and debt-limit agreement into a larger budget package.

“It’s the return of the grand bargain,” says one House Republican, who requested anonymity to speak freely. “There weren’t a lot of specifics discussed, and the meetings were mostly about just checking in. But he’s looking hard at the debt limit as a place where we can do something big.”

Politico is wondering if “a grand bargain is the only way out,” but I can see the White House shooting the whole thing down until the government is reopened, and if by some chance the Democrats do agree to go down that grand-bargain road, you know the Democrats will want revenue increases in some form — and that ain’t gonna’ fly.


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Obama won on the mandate of obamacare

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 9:57 PM

The little pissant is still on mom’s insurance.

BeachBum on October 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

the American people spoke, and Obama won

you or I may not like it (I wanted Romney to win), but Obama won on the mandate of obamacare

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Does that include the Employer Mandate and the 17 other unauthorised changes to Obamacare, including illegally giving Congress waivers and subsidies, that he has made/delayed or do you think that ‘the American people’ gave Obama a mandate to be King?

‘Er, itd gut, um, da, er, uh, d-d-d-d-da be, um, uh, oh, ah, da KING!!!’

- President Barack Obama

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

I worry that this short-sighted maneuver will damage the republican party irreparably

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Are you the idiot who said he graduated from Harvard?

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

I worry that this short-sighted maneuver will damage the republican party irreparably

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Are you the idiot who said he graduated from Harvard?

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Definitely the idiot who said this:

from my understanding, a skeet gun would lack killing power as its not built to kill

nonpartisan on April 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

The entire Obamacare system only received ~645,000 hits. So… it’s being run by complete idiots.

If anybody wants to throw their personal data into that dumpster fire be my guest.

tetriskid on October 2, 2013 at 10:12 PM

All they have to do is get out of the way and allow private companies broker the best insurance deals for you from any health insurance company anywhere in the country (or the world for that matter). Problem solved.

We have very competitive rates for auto insurance, why not health care?

Now, homeowners insurance is another problem for many people. I should be able to buy such insurance from a Canadian company, German company whatever. Lloyd’s of London got fantastically wealthy from taking risks-not being at the mercy of actuary tables and playing it safe.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

the American people spoke, and Obama won

you or I may not like it (I wanted Romney to win), but Obama won on the mandate of obamacare

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Ted Cruz won too. So did Mike Lee and Rand Paul. Discuss.

Lost in Jersey on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Hey partisan,,,

Clintoon won. Does that mean I should support oval office hummers and lying before a Grand Jury?

wolly4321 on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

We go back to another Democrat Double-Cross,
that got GOP Support,then Pelosi went on a
tirade!
——-

Nancy Pelosi strutts to the well,after,getting Republicans on board,then,takes out her gavel,and goes on a rant,compl
ete with THREATENING INVESTIGATIONS,and her narration Dec
eption/Perception,of “8 Years of Failed Bush Policies”!!

And,the GOP,rightfully so,went ballistic!!
============================================

700 Billion Dollars…………………….

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) Floor Speech Before Bailout Vote
September 29,2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&hl=en&v=VMLo7i38D58
==================================================

Republicans blaming Pelosi speech for bailout bill failure. Oh please.
September 29, 2008 3:02 PM
——————————-
The MSM WERE A SPINNING,BTW!

What an irresponsible cheap shot during a time of a national emergency. Some feelings were hurt by Pelosi? Oh please.
============

Said GOP House Leader John Boehner
“I do believe that we could have gotten there today had it not been for this partisan speech that the speaker gave on the floor of the House.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/09/republicans_blaming_pelosi_spe.html

canopfor on October 19, 2010 at 10:08 AM

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Are you the idiot who said he graduated from Harvard?

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Winnah, winnah! Eat-Mor-Chikin dinnah!

. . . You went to Harvard Law?

Axe on May 1, 2013 at 7:33 PM

yes

nonpartisan on May 1, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Snort.

Resist We Much on May 1, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Nobrain only was a month late to April Fool’s Day.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Hume is an idiot.

obama doesn’t “lead the world”. Putin is.

“The sky is falling” — Hume, the moron who’s part of the problem.

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 10:19 PM

from my understanding, a skeet gun would lack killing power as its not built to kill

nonpartisan on April 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Bishop:

Really, well,I wouldn’t want to walk in front of a AR-15 Over/Under,

or is it,a side-by-side shotgun!:)
(sarc)

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Ted Cruz won too. So did Mike Lee and Rand Paul. Discuss.

Lost in Jersey on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Cruz suggested today that the House submit/pass a bill to fund just the NSA and such. See if Harry/obama table it.

Are you the idiot who said he graduated from Harvard?

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Indeed, two dummies from Harvard…not something they are proud of.

Plus, where are obama’s grades? Do you know of any smart man who’d invest so much to hide them?

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 10:22 PM

‘Er, itd gut, um, da, er, uh, d-d-d-d-da be, um, uh, oh, ah, da KING!!!’

– President Barack Obama

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Resist We Much:Lol:)

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

What Grand Bargain?

Boehner and the GOP Establishment are always looking for ways to screw conservatives.

Let us look at the items proposed in the so-called Grand Bargain:

1. Repeal of Medical Device Tax

This is something that BOTH party establishments will like to see pass. So how is that a compromise to conservatives?

It also fits in with traditional big-Govt. Republican attempts of trying to better liberal-passed monstrosities that do nothing to reduce the size of Govt.

2. Sequestration

Weren’t we told by our betters in DC that they are proud of the savings realized through sequestration and will seek to lock it into any spending bill going forward. Now they want to let it go in some form of compromise deal? Yeah right.

And who gets suckered? Conservatives and we the people, of course.

3. Tax Reform and some other Crap

Unless we are getting a flat tax, forget it! Any Grand Bargain will most likely result in tax hikes, or as they call it, revenue raising.

TheRightMan on October 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

from my understanding, a skeet gun would lack killing power as its not built to kill

nonpartisan on April 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Bishop:

Really, well,I wouldn’t want to walk in front of a AR-15 Over/Under,

or is it,a side-by-side shotgun!:)
(sarc)

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Hah! Tell that to the poor, dead skeets.

predator on October 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

It’s The President’s Fault – Ferrara

President Obama in fact has illegally delayed over 20 provisions of his own Obamacare law, contrary to the express provisions of that law, with no legal authorization to do so whatsoever. The Republicans in another CR to fund the government provided for a one year delay in the entire Obamacare law, which the President has already effectively admitted by his own actions is not ready for prime time. But every Democrat in the Senate just laughed this down as well.

The Democrats, and particularly Obama, WANT this shut down. It takes the heat off of Obama’s many scandals, it allows a push to grant AMNESTY while the public is distracted, and the Democrats are gambling that the LIV’s will blame it all on the GOP.

Every day is another opportunity for Reid and company to open their mouths and make it clear exactly who means to use the citizens of this nation as collateral and political leverage in order to try and advance their own power.

thatsafactjack on October 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

I went to harvard too. I’d tell you all about it but it’s dinnertime.

Yeaaa,, that’s the ticket.

wolly4321 on October 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

I’m about done teaching you idiots.

For the umpteenth time, they are AR47 assault revolvers! Why is that so hard to remember?

Jeebus, read a book.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Speaking of Cruz,….S.E. Cupp Alert:

S.E. Cupp calls Ted Cruz ‘a hero’ for instigating shutdown
By Arturo Garcia
Wednesday, October 2, 2013 21:41 EDT
************************************

Even if he’s become increasingly reviled by members of his own party, Sen. Ted Cruz still had the support of Crossfire co-host S.E. Cupp on Wednesday for his insistence on defunding the Affordable Care Act.

“What Ted Cruz is doing is standing up for millions of people around the country — and certainly in his district back at home — who want Obamacare repealed, delayed, stopped,” Cupp told co-host Van Jones and panelists Emily Miller and former Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA).

“That is not represented in Congress, and that’s why Ted Cruz is a hero.”

“How is that not represented?” an incredulous Perriello asked.

(More…)
==========

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/02/s-e-cupp-calls-ted-cruz-a-hero-for-instigating-shutdown/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

For the umpteenth time, they are AR47 assault revolvers! Why is that so hard to remember?

Jeebus, read a book.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

I used to have one of those, but I sold it.

The BBs were too expensive.

predator on October 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

MSNBC showed a AR15 over and under. Bottom barrel was a M203 grenade launcher.

You can kill all the skeet at once by lobbing one at the skeet machine.

wolly4321 on October 2, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Cruz suggested today that the House submit/pass a bill to fund just the NSA and such. See if Harry/obama table it.

Schadenfreude on October 2, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Excellent. Turn up the heat.

I’ve noted a few individual bills coming out of the house to fund cancer research, national parks, etc. Would love to see this continue. I think it’s a winner.

Lost in Jersey on October 2, 2013 at 10:29 PM

wolly4321 on October 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

ROFLMAO

BeachBum on October 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Some big wig at McAfee said these things will be a bonanza for hackers. No surprise there, eh?

predator on October 2, 2013 at 10:09 PM

No surprise at all. The system they have set up will be a gold mine for hackers. All of that private info, good grief! Identity Theft made simple.

bluefox on October 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Identity Theft made simple.

bluefox on October 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

The folks at Lifelock could make a killing here.

predator on October 2, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Its just a child.

Bmore on October 2, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Its just a child.

Bmore on October 2, 2013 at 10:32 PM

What happened to the left’s mantra about “if it saves the life of even one child…”

predator on October 2, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Its just a child.

Bmore on October 2, 2013 at 10:32 PM

What happened to the left’s mantra about “if it saves the life of even one child…”

predator on October 2, 2013 at 10:34 PM

They took a look a no-brain.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:36 PM

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

I’m about done teaching you idiots.

For the umpteenth time, they are AR47 assault revolvers! Why is that so hard to remember?

Jeebus, read a book.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Bishop:

You twit,its an ARK-47,er wait,your right,the American/Russian version,

oh Bish,ahem,sorry for the Tw*t comment,hahahahhahaha:)

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:37 PM

I went to harvard too. I’d tell you all about it but it’s dinnertime.

Yeaaa,, that’s the ticket.

wolly4321 on October 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

I run Harvard.

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

The folks at Lifelock could make a killing here.

predator on October 2, 2013 at 10:32 PM

predator:For a second,I thought it was LifeLube, carry on!:)

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

I went to harvard too. I’d tell you all about it but it’s dinnertime.

Yeaaa,, that’s the ticket.

wolly4321 on October 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

I run Harvard.

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

My trust fund is larger than Harvard’s Endowment Fund.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Shouldn’t President stampy foot send the White House chef home…?

d1carter on October 2, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Who writes out “etcetera?” Who?!

besser tot als rot on October 2, 2013 at 10:41 PM

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Hah! Tell that to the poor, dead skeets.

predator on October 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

predator:Lol,hey you must read HillBilly Times,(skeets)!(sarc)
==============================================================

Er yew a Hillbilly?

Yew mite be a Hillbilly if’n t’rear tires on yer car are at least twice as wide as t’front ones.”

http://www.hillbillytimes.com/

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Who writes out “etcetera?” Who?!

besser tot als rot on October 2, 2013 at 10:41 PM

besser tot:I thought it was etc.:)

canopfor on October 2, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Who writes out “etcetera?” Who?!

besser tot als rot on October 2, 2013 at 10:41 PM

The King and I.

shades_of_gasden on October 2, 2013 at 10:46 PM

“At some time, we’ve got to allow the process our Founders gave us to work out,” Boehner said.

That happened. It was called the passage of the ACA and then the upholding of the ACA by the Supreme Court.

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

My Trust fund is larger than Harvard’s Endowment Fund. Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Then I love you more than that other guy.

wolly4321 on October 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

bluefox on October 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

The folks at Lifelock could make a killing here.

predator on October 2, 2013 at 10:32 PM

You know I was thinking of that today. The problem I see is that all of the private info doesn’t go to just one Government Agency, but many.

Too many people with access is the danger.

bluefox on October 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

The republicans own Obama at this point as the whole “shutdown” of non-essential employees has exposed how little we miss the bloated government. Obama is angry because the optics have turned against him due to his failed leadership. However, I think he is so self absorbed he will keep digging and his objection to negotiation only weakens his hand going forward. This is truly fun to watch.

Ellis on October 2, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Ellis on October 2, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Admit it. You thought the polls were skewed last fall didn’t you?

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Lib,, the founders created reconciliation budget processes for passing major legislation?

Show me where?

As far as the black robes go,, your side b!tches even more. You are cool with corporate donations now?

Good to know.

wolly4321 on October 2, 2013 at 10:54 PM

“At some time, we’ve got to allow the process our Founders gave us to work out,” Boehner said.

That happened. It was called the passage of the ACA and then the upholding of the ACA by the Supreme Court.

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Agreed. Now, could you provide the relevant Constitutional language the Founders gave us which allows the preznit to arbitrarily alter the ACA law and grant waivers?

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:55 PM

While you’re at it could you also tell me what happens if I can’t pay my BarkyCare deductible in the event of a major medical? Other liberals who frequent HotGas have been…shall we say hesitant to answer that question.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:58 PM

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM
libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 10:53 PM

You DO know, don’t you, that you don’t get paid for those posts? It is nonpartisan’s shift. Due to the ‘government shutdown’ there is no pay for overtime.

LegendHasIt on October 2, 2013 at 10:58 PM

“At some time, we’ve got to allow the process our Founders gave us to work out,” Boehner said.

That happened. It was called the passage of the ACA and then the upholding of the ACA by the Supreme Court.

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

But America still hates it, and so far it’s looking like a total disaster.

You know that.

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 11:04 PM

See the gop leadership is either completely stupid or complicit…….

After more proof with the leaked emails we know he’s just a shill…..but why would they leak those emails?

To cause the gop to dethrone Boehner to get Cantor in because Cantor might be more agreeable?

Why?

What’s the end game here?

PappyD61 on October 2, 2013 at 11:14 PM

recyst wee mulch, its amazing how bitter you remain at the fact that you attended an inferior law school than I that you constantly need to mock me about attending Harvard. Get over it. Rankings isn’t everything.

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM

“At some time, we’ve got to allow the process our Founders gave us to work out,” Boehner said.

That happened. It was called the passage of the ACA and then the upholding of the ACA by the Supreme Court.

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Um, wrong. All spending must originate in the House and you lost there.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:19 PM

recyst wee mulch, its amazing how bitter you remain at the fact that you attended an inferior law school than I that you constantly need to mock me about attending Harvard. Get over it. Rankings isn’t everything.

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Thanks for another keeper, liar!

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Still waiting on those answers about Vidal, Holy Trinity, Reynolds, and Everson.

You went on the longest dinner run in history.

Resist We Much on May 7, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Listen, I owe you nothing.

Also, law school was awhile back, and I profess I wasn’t the best of students. And post law school, I decided not to pursue a legal career.

This will be my last post on this matter.

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Obviously, that was another lie…

recyst wee mulch, its amazing how bitter you remain at the fact that you attended an inferior law school than I that you constantly need to mock me about attending Harvard. Get over it. Rankings isn’t everything.

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Thanks for another keeper, liar!

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:20 PM

I’m a liar because your fragile ego can’t handle it?! I’m tempted to post my transcript just to shut you up and make you curl up in a fetal position and crying yourself to sleep knowing that I am your intellectual superior

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:22 PM

technically, I never defined what ‘this matter’ referred to, which is open to interpretation. Surely you knew that…it’s quite elementary semantics that any astute legal mind would be aware of.

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Hold it, this can’t be right. According to everything I read this morning, the bad optics on the disastrous Obamacare rollout and the mess at the WWII Memorial meant that Obama was going to cave. He called this meeting because he was desperate for a deal! Over at AOSHQ they wrote “petulance has turned to panic”. Boehner was proclaiming victory, and even Ed was saying that Obama probably would give on the Congressional “exemption”.

Oh well, there’s always the “Grand Bargain”.

Mr. Arkadin on October 2, 2013 at 11:24 PM

,…..I’m tempted to post my transcript just to shut you up….
nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Do it.

I’ll PayPal you a hundred bucks if you do and can prove that it is your actual transcript.

LegendHasIt on October 2, 2013 at 11:27 PM

I’m a liar because your fragile ego can’t handle it?!

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:22 PM

You proved yourself a liar:

I’ve never lied. Show me ONE statement where I’ve lied.

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Yes, you have.

I just need to correct this LIE.

I did NOT post on the day of Sandy Hook, even that week iirc.

You are LYING about me. If you claim I posted on that day, then show me one post of mine from that day.

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Busted again… How about three?

Are you assuming the gunman got his gun in Connecticut? Gun control laws limit access to guns, it doesn’t prevent someone from getting a gun in another state and bringing it into the state, dumbass.

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:11 PM

When you have guns and alot of ammo in a small space, its not difficult to kill alot of people in a very short amount of time.

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:14 PM

gun laws won’t work on a state by state basis

guns need to be banned from the country period.

the argument that guns dont kill people, people do is retarded. of course guns dont kill by themselves, but guns allow crazy emotional people to inflict crazy damage in a short period of time.

I’m pissed beyond belief that this unnecessary tragedy continues to happen…

for all the gun supporters, answer me this:

How many mass shooting tragedies has occurred in countries with complete bans on guns versus the US? That defeats any stupid arguments you have.

nonpartisan on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM

And, there are many, many, many more…

I’m tempted to post my transcript just to shut you up and make you curl up in a fetal position and crying yourself to sleep knowing that I am your intellectual superior

Do it.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:31 PM

technically, I never defined what ‘this matter’ referred to, which is open to interpretation. Surely you knew that…it’s quite elementary semantics that any astute legal mind would be aware of.

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Listen, I owe you nothing.

Also, law school was awhile back, and I profess I wasn’t the best of students. And post law school, I decided not to pursue a legal career.

This will be my last post on this matter.

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Go back and read the thread, no-brain.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:31 PM

I’ve not proven myself a liar, just that I have a life outside of hotair and I don’t remember every single statement I’ve ever made.

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:33 PM

Go back and read the thread, no-brain.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:32 PM

yes, and my point still stands, I never defined what ‘this matter’ referred to

you’re making assumptions, and when you assume, you make an ASS of U and Me

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:34 PM

‘So, What I told Dana Bash who is a fine reporter, is that we care about all these things, we care about our state parks, our veterans, but we can’t fall into that trap. Here is the trap, of the Cruz-led Republicans, and that is this. Listen, we’ll cherry pick. We’ll open this today and this tomorrow, and finally at the end everything will be open except the money to finish Obamacare. But what Dr. Coburn has said, this is ridiculous, because Obamacare if nothing happens, about 90% of it is funded anyway. But they are so mercenary, so determined to destroy the president’s signature issue that they would go to the extreme of shutting down the government.’

- Harry Reid

So it’s ‘Cruz-led Republicans” fault.

I guess not even Dingy Reid could blame BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH for his asininity.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:37 PM

I’ve not proven myself a liar, just that I have a life outside of hotair and I don’t remember every single statement I’ve ever made.

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:33 PM

You call yourself nonpartisan and say you’re from Harvard.

Clearly neither are true.

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 11:39 PM

yes, and my point still stands, I never defined what ‘this matter’ referred to

you’re making assumptions, and when you assume, you make an ASS of U and Me

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Yes, you did.

You wouldn’t want me to ‘take you out of context’ or anything? Would ya?

I’ve not proven myself a liar, just that I have a life outside of hotair and I don’t remember every single statement I’ve ever made.

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:33 PM

You demanded to be shown where you posted ANYTHING on the day of Sandy Hook and saidd that anyone was lying who claimed otherwise.

You were ALL OVER Newtown on the day it happened.

Perchance, it is just early-onset Alzheimer’s or something.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:40 PM

resist, why didn’t you attend Harvard Law?

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:42 PM

resist, why didn’t you attend Harvard Law?

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Why didn’t you?

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 11:44 PM

I did. therein lies the rub, resist went to a lower ranked school (I believe it was Columbia) and she has the worst inferiority complex I’ve ever witnessed, although it is not uncommon among law students, since prestige is EVERYTHING in law.

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:45 PM

‘It’s the law. Obama won and you lost.’

You know what else was the law?

Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act Of 1988

What happened????

Too bad Dan Rostenkowski is dead. He could tell ya.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:49 PM

I did. therein lies the rub, resist went to a lower ranked school (I believe it was Columbia) and she has the worst inferiority complex I’ve ever witnessed, although it is not uncommon among law students, since prestige is EVERYTHING in law.

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:45 PM

‘Prestige’ is NOT everything in the law. Being correct and winning are.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:50 PM

‘Prestige’ is NOT everything in the law. Being correct and winning are.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:50 PM

there is not one field where prestige matters more than in the field of law

that’s why the cravaths, sullivan cromwells, etc recruit so heavily only from the harvards, and yales

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM

resist, why didn’t you attend Harvard Law?

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Because I had moved to NYC from London. I didn’t apply to Harvard. My life was not in Boston nor do I consider Harvard to be the greatest law school in the country.

You probably think Yale is great, too. Of course, I could give you the names of some real idiots and whackjobs that went to either Yale or Harvard.

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM

I did. therein lies the rub, resist went to a lower ranked school (I believe it was Columbia) and she has the worst inferiority complex I’ve ever witnessed, although it is not uncommon among law students, since prestige is EVERYTHING in law.

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:45 PM

When you were asked about your credentials you quickly retreated.

Plus none of your posts show much wit, intelligence or thought.

Chuck Schick on October 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM

…prestige is EVERYTHING in law.
nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Wow. If that is true…

No wonder this country is so fu(#3d up.

Once upon a time knowledge of the statutes, How to write a contract, how to argue a case and convince a jury were the things that counted.

Now, all you have to do is be a ‘ring knocker’?

Tap that Harvard ring on the jury box, and you win the case?

Cool!

LegendHasIt on October 2, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Resist We Much on October 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM

oh, and what school do you consider the greatest law school then?

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:56 PM

the American people spoke, and Obama won

you or I may not like it (I wanted Romney to win), but Obama won on the mandate of obamacare
nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Actually the house won on repealing ObamneyCare and mittness lost because the same people that voted for the house didn’t trust mittness to lead the way in repealing it – they rightly feared him leading the way to keep and “fix” it along with amnesty et al under the banner of GOPe solidarity and bipartisanship with the progressives.

At least now we have yet another chance to kill this monstrosity before it takes roots. Yes elections have consequences and here it was the lesser of evils to deny Oboobi his mandate and hope the house could hold down the fort until reinforcements arrive in 14, 16 &18.

AH_C on October 2, 2013 at 11:59 PM

oh, and what school do you consider the greatest law school then?

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:56 PM

What awful sentence structure. Redundant and babbling.

Hope you saved that Harvard receipt.

Chuck Schick on October 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM

oh, and what school do you consider the greatest law school then?

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:56 PM

I think that several are top-notch. I don’t really care which is #1 or #5.

Obviously, this has nothing to do with you since you are incapable of even getting into a low-level law school.

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Where is liveenslavedthendie to tell us why we should spend trillions of dollars more and raise the debt ceiling, unlike a SINGLE DEMOCRAT IN THE SENATE WAS WILLING TO DO IN 2006?

Bush:

Debt on 01.20.01: $5,727,776,738,304.64

Debt on 01.19.09: $10,628,881,485,510.23

An increase of: $4,901,104,747,205.59 (8 years)

Obama:

Debt 01.20.09: $10,626,877,048,913.08

Debt 10.02.13: $16,738,183,526,697.32

An increase of: $6,109,302,041.09 (4 years, 8 months, 13 days)

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 12:23 AM

I was on the rowing team. And I dated cheerleaders.

wolly4321 on October 3, 2013 at 12:23 AM

BREAKING: White House Ordering Hundreds of Privately Run, Privately Funded Parks to Close

‘It’s official. They are shutting all of us down ASAP. Marching orders straight from the White House.’

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 12:29 AM

We can’t forget that the Fed is monetising the debt and pumping $85 billion digitised dollars into the economy every month.

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 12:36 AM

‘Every time the Dow goes down 100 points we pick up another House seat.’ – Democrat Dick Gephardt

But, Dems wishing for bad things? Nevah!

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 12:51 AM

The Repubs have absolutely nothing to lose by holding out indefinitely. They already suck about as badly as a political party could. They could hardly get any lower. Make the Dems come to them.

They’ve got two choices:

1) cave and lose even more badly next time, or

2) stand firm and see what happens.

WhatSlushfund on October 3, 2013 at 1:53 AM

That happened. It was called the passage of the ACA and then the upholding of the ACA by the Supreme Court.

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Dummy………..slavery…….only white men with property could vote…you’re such a gnatbrain.

Schadenfreude on October 3, 2013 at 2:16 AM

Negotiating with wimps like the present complicit GOP elites and RINOs is a win-win situation for the messiah-in-chief.

Expect a fall back position to this, just as things get tougher.

Both co-ruling will walk out with little change in our planned destruction claiming victory and a plethora of photo ops as we sink lower and lower into the tar pits of socialism for some future anthropologists to research.

Don L on October 3, 2013 at 6:27 AM

For the umpteenth time, they are AR47 assault revolvers! Why is that so hard to remember?

Jeebus, read a book.

Bishop on October 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

I used to have one of those, but I sold it.

The BBs were too expensive.

predator on October 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

That is because the Obama administration has been hoarding all the BB’s too. And those darts have skyrocketed as the only substitution ammo left outside of spitballs.

Don L on October 3, 2013 at 6:31 AM

I am willing to live with a federal government that only runs one thing and one thing only. The Military. THEN Shut it all down and move the Military to the states. Get rid of the entire Federal Government and start from scratch.

astonerii on October 3, 2013 at 7:55 AM

you’re making assumptions, and when you assume, you make an ASS of U and Me

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Is that a legal term of art? 8-|

totherightofthem on October 3, 2013 at 9:18 AM

How about we all start referring to our bowel movements as “I just unloaded some ObamaCare”?

Non-compliance can take many forms in a controlled society.

PappyD61 on October 3, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Rankings isn’t everything.

it’s quite elementary semantics that any astute legal mind would be aware of.

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Great legal mind at work here. It can’t match the subject and verb and still insists on putting a preposition at the end of a sentence. You’re not very good at insulting RWM are you?

totherightofthem on October 3, 2013 at 9:34 AM

“At some time, we’ve got to allow the process our Founders gave us to work out,” Boehner said.

That happened. It was called the passage of the ACA and then the upholding of the ACA by the Supreme Court.

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

It’s The Law!!1!!1!

Just like immigration laws Democrats regularly circumvent?

Just like the ACA itself which Obama has altered 17 times without authority from law?

And the Constitution gives the House the power and primary responsibility to control spending. I’ll recall for you that the ACA was passed on the budgetary reconciliation process and its’ individual mandate (still in full effect by King Obama, unlike for the large corporations he “granted” exemption from) was deemed allowable under the taxation powers. In other words the House is perfectly within it’s responsibilities and powers to mess with this thing as much as they like.

It’s The Law has got to be the dumbest rebuttal liberals ever came up with. The Constitution itself is a Living Breathing Document With Penumbras and Emanations but a law passed several years ago is writ in stone by God carried down the mountain by Obama.

gwelf on October 3, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Shutdowns Have Been Frequent Tools Of Policy. Just Ask Reagan.

One party controls the White House and the Senate by less than the margin needed to end a filibuster, and the other party controls the House by a wide margin. A fundamental conflict over government spending is at the heart of an impasse that leads to a shutdown of the federal government.

The year is not 2013 but 1981 . . . and 1982, 1984, 1986 and 1987. That’s right, the Reagan years, when President Ronald Reagan and House Speaker Tip O’Neill would work things out and avoid having to close the Washington Monument. With all due respect to Chris Matthews and other purveyors of this narrative popular in today’s Washington, the reality was quite different.

I joined the staff of the Office of Personnel Management in 1981. Soon after, several decisive actions by the president demonstrated his determination to show that lines had been crossed. One came in August with the firing of striking air traffic controllers. Another came Nov. 20, when Reagan vetoed an appropriations bill that did not achieve at least half of his proposed reduction of $8.4 billion in domestic spending. In the absence of appropriations, the administration shut down the government for four days.

That shutdown ended with the passage of a “clean” continuing resolution that provided appropriations through Dec. 15, during which time a deal was negotiated for funding the remainder of the fiscal year. But on Oct. 1, 1982, a battle over spending levels again resulted in a shutdown. After two days, Congress passed a short continuing resolution. When that expired Dec. 17, another shutdown ensued, lasting five days. It ended with an agreement in which Democrats dropped their demand for a hugely expensive “jobs bill” and Reagan gave up funding for the MX missile program.

A year later, in November 1983, it was deja vu all over again. O’Neill and other House Democrats voted to increase education by a billion dollars beyond the president’s request and made deep cuts in defense. A short-term continuing resolution expired, and a five-day shutdown began. It ended with a compromise in which education funding increased by just $100 million and the MX missile was funded.

In the presidential election year of 1984, Democrats insisted on a massive increase in funding for water projects and a civil rights legislative package. Republicans attached to the continuing resolution a crime bill that Reagan had proposed. A brief shutdown ensued on Oct. 1, just a month before Election Day. The parties agreed to a temporary extension to keep negotiating, but that too expired before Democrats dropped their water-project funding and civil rights legislation, after which Reagan signed a one-year continuing resolution.

Later, in Reagan’s second term, there were two more shutdowns: in October 1986 and December 1987.

In none of these instances did the world come to an end. In each of them, the president engaged in good-faith negotiations to resolve the impasse. Reagan never refused to talk seriously with O’Neill and House Democrats. Each side approached shutdowns as an “action-forcing event,” in which hard bargaining would take place.

Resist We Much on October 3, 2013 at 9:59 AM

That happened. It was called the passage of the ACA and then the upholding of the ACA by the Supreme Court.

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

You honestly call the passage of the ACA an example of the process set up by the Founders?

Because I’m pretty sure that a). revenue bills have to originate in the House, b). the House has to vote on legislation, and c). the President cannot alter legislation by executive order.

The Schaef on October 3, 2013 at 10:44 AM

You honestly call the passage of the ACA an example of the process set up by the Founders?

Because I’m pretty sure that a). revenue bills have to originate in the House, b). the House has to vote on legislation, and c). the President cannot alter legislation by executive order.

The Schaef on October 3, 2013 at 10:44 AM

And don’t forget the special deals made to state Senators to buy votes.

gwelf on October 3, 2013 at 11:23 AM

I’ve not proven myself a liar, just that I have a life outside of hotair and I don’t remember every single statement I’ve ever made.

nonpartisan on October 2, 2013 at 11:33 PM

If you always tell the troof, you do not need to remember every statement you have ever made. The troof comes naturally.

Like pretty much everyone else here, I concluded long ago that you are a compulsive liar. Prove us wrong.

stvnscott on October 3, 2013 at 1:03 PM

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