Videos: ObamaCare rollout performance … “lower than projected”

posted at 10:01 am on October 1, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

“Lower than projected” was, of course, the Orwellian description from HHS of skyrocketing premiums last week, approved for today’s rollout of ObamaCare.  It’s also a good way to describe today’s rollout of ObamaCare itself, with exchange and support websites looking like this:

In Minnesota, even Paul Bunyan can’t hack his way into MNSure’s computers with his giant axe:

Consumers won’t be able to use Minnesota’s new online marketplace for health insurance as planned Tuesday morning and will have to wait until sometime in the afternoon, the head of the state-run exchange said Monday.

April Todd-Malmlov, executive director of MNsure, said officials want to make sure the system connects properly with federal computer systems and that it’s secure before it goes live for consumers. MNsure officials had been saying for months they expected consumers could start signing up at the start of the business day Tuesday. She said they weren’t sure what time in the afternoon the system would be ready.

Enrollment begins Tuesday nationwide for coverage under the Obama administration’s Affordable Care Act. Roughly 300,000 uninsured Minnesotans are expected to buy insurance via the portal. The delay is one of several glitches in MNsure’s rollout that Todd-Malmlov spoke about late Monday afternoon.

“Generally, anytime you go into a new enterprise there are things you expect and things you deal with that are a bit unanticipated,” Todd-Malmlov said. “So we have always been planning to be up on October 1. We do need to do that in coordination with our federal partners, and we want to make sure that we are doing that in a planned and not-rushed way to make sure that everything is ready to go and working on Day 1.”

“Pieces will come together” by, er … Day 5 or so. Maybe. It’s not just Minnesota, either.  Oregon has its problems, too — and it will be down for weeks.  So will the Connecticut exchange (via TWS):

You know what might have helped? A delay. Nevertheless, Barack Obama plans to start trotting out exchange customers as political props immediately:

President Barack Obama will continue his no-compromise budget strategy Tuesday when he holds a mid-day meeting with supposed beneficiaries of his landmark health care law.

“The President will meet with Americans who will benefit from the opening of Health Insurance Marketplaces and being able to comparison shop for the health plans as a result of the Affordable Care Act,” says the White House’s calendar for Oct. 1, the first day of the 2014 budget. …

Obama will likely to use the public meeting with Obamacare recipients to push his no-compromise strategy.

Based on initial government-prepared reports, White House officials and Democrats claim that several million Americans will be able to buy cheaper, government-defined insurance via federally-run marketplaces.

However, free-market advocates say the government’s insurance prices are higher than current prices, especially for young people and married people, and that the quality, availability and proximity of government-approved medical services are likely to be inferior than the ones available today.

Maybe he can start with the consumers who can actually access the exchanges and execute a purchase, but then he’d have to wait a few weeks for his photo op.


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“snicker”

Just imagine… getting pre approval for that life saving heart surgery…

watertown on October 1, 2013 at 10:04 AM

just like the IQ of its supporters..

hillsoftx on October 1, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Just wait til these kinds of “glitches” occur with regularity at the ER and doctor’s office.

Doughboy on October 1, 2013 at 10:04 AM

ROFL

What do the states not understand about “free”? We were supposed to be able to just stroll into a hospital and get top-flight care at a moment’s notice, why do we need to have a plan?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Barack Obama plans to start trotting out exchange customers as political props immediately:

Are the pictures of these people just going to be blank screens with that lil red X in the corner like the exchanges?

Gatsu on October 1, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Just imagine… getting pre approval for that life saving heart surgery…

watertown on October 1, 2013 at 10:04 AM

“Please hold for the next available medical processing clerk. Your wait time is…five…months…and…seven…teen…days.”

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Charging ahead like a heard of turtles. Morons!!

Deano1952 on October 1, 2013 at 10:11 AM

“Christians must sign a hate-waiver in order to be treated”

faraway on October 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM

And, if you get Cancer after the age of 76… buh bye.

No treatment.

kingsjester on October 1, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Nevertheless, Barack Obama plans to start trotting out exchange customers as political props immediately:

Yeah, stupid people happy to have signed up for the “bronze” plan completely oblivious that their cheap insurance will cost them about $6000 in deductibles before they get any of the free stuff.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 10:14 AM

If this is how the public portal is acting I’d hate to see the backoffice security situation on medical records …

Luckily, we’ll all be “shielded” from that information by Barky’s junta and the MSM. I can see more accusations of “spying” against any non-leftist reporter who looks into that situation.

Even if I don’t do anything with BarkyCare my medical records are still subject to their stupidity and desire to broadcast them around the world.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 1, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Maybe Repubs should counter with daily pressers starring workers whose jobs were cut back to 30 hours, or lost medical coverage due to ObamaCare. Every time TFG trots out five people, the GOP should trot out twenty.

MTF on October 1, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Wait til they start sending out federally enforced death certificates.

patman77 on October 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM

The lib posters are highlarious on politico

The adminstration had 3 years to get this up and running but the libs are blaming the gop because of their attempts to defund ocare

Lol theyve received millions already…. $67 million went poof

Maybe they could have used a QC analyst

cmsinaz on October 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM

They’ve only had 3.5 years to get this system in place, give it time.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Ed –
You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

If this were an Apple product rollout, the NYT would be saying the product was a disaster.

It’s your Socialism. Embrace it.

faraway on October 1, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Good. One way to ingratiate your customers to you is to have worse service than the DMV.

This may be fun to watch after all.

tru2tx on October 1, 2013 at 10:22 AM

These “glitches” won’t matter much if they’re mostly just day one rollout headaches. If no one can buy anything on any exchange for weeks, though, it’s going to be a huge issue. Unfortunately the reporting in regards to it will be pretty limited given that the media is going to be writing about the government shutdown and the upcoming debt ceiling battle.

However, it should still have an impact. Millions (and maybe tens of millions) of people likely believed they would be able to immediately sign up for “free” healthcare today, and the less intelligent among them may even think they can just waltz into a hospital or doctor’s office and ask for free medical services.

Doomberg on October 1, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Ed –
You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Perfectly??? Some aren’t working at all.

LMFAO.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Maybe he can start with the consumers who can actually access the exchanges and execute a purchase, but then he’d have to wait a few weeks for his photo op.

Don’t worry, no doubt many intrepid reporters will diligently question those Obamacare consumers about their experiences obtaining their new policies on the dysfunctional exchanges that don’t seem to be operational in any state. Because, of course, the MSM wants the American public to be fully and accurately informed about the functioning of our government . . . . LOL.

AZCoyote on October 1, 2013 at 10:22 AM

After Barrycare passed, my prog friends were dancing jigs about getting their monthly meds for free. Wish I could be there to see their expressions when they learn what a $5,000 deductible means.

Health insurance doesn’t equal health care. There’s going to be an awful lot of people who are po’ed about not getting their free stuff.

obladioblada on October 1, 2013 at 10:22 AM

You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

“perfectly”. LOL. I guess the fact that people aren’t getting 404 error messages is a success!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 1, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:22 AM

You beat me to it!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 1, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Maybe there is a phone number to call.

Bmore on October 1, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Ed –
You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

From what I can tell, most or all of them are only partially functional (site up but can’t enroll in any plans) or are outright non-functional.

Doomberg on October 1, 2013 at 10:24 AM

You lefties wanted more government, well sister, this is more government.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Yeah, stupid people happy to have signed up for the “bronze” plan completely oblivious that their cheap insurance will cost them about $6000 in deductibles before they get any of the free stuff.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Only the really super stupid are going to sign up. Why should any currently uninsured individual sign up for one of these crap sandwiches? The premiums are more today then they were yesterday, yet these uninsured individuals did not obtain insurance yesterday.

NotCoach on October 1, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Ed –
You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

These are only short term guffaws. The longer term guffaws come when, shocker of shockers, all the currently uninsured find out this isn’t actually free and don’t sign up. Of course all of this was predicted long ago, and now here we are with the predictions coming true and your response is rather precious, isn’t it?

NotCoach on October 1, 2013 at 10:29 AM

In politics, there’s a thing called the ’80% Rule,’ which means if 80% or more of the people agree on something, it’s GOLDEN for politicians.

What the Democrats have done with Obamacare is try to redefine the rule. Before Obamacare became law, 85% of Americans were happy with their health insurance and healthcare. To obtain their ‘Holy Grail’ of government-run/guaranteed ‘universal health insurance,’ Democrats decided to screw with an issue in which more than 85% of Americans agreed.

And, they are supremely confident that this whole thing is going to be universally loved.

LOL. And, they call us delusional.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Why sign up for a plan at all? What, are they going to be denied care if they go to a hospital to get that torn ACL looked at?

Yeah, only social engineering geniuses could create a scheme like this: tell everyone that they should buy a plan and in the next breath remind them they will never be denied care if they need it even without a plan.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Just a day or two late…who do you call..?

d1carter on October 1, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Ed –
You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

To have crashed servers, error messages, and security question drop-down boxes with no security questions is amateur hour. Remember, this is the bureaucracy that’s going to be overseeing our health care.

Doughboy on October 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM

kingsjester‏@kingsjester1
The only thing missing from the failed Obamacare Rollout is the Benny Hill Chase Scene Music, “Yakety Sax”. #tcot #Obamacare

kingsjester on October 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Perfectly??? Some aren’t working at all.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:22 AM

But for how long will you experience such joy?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM

But for how long will you experience such joy?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM

I dunno. Have they gotten to the bottom of the Benghazi Massacre, ey?

kingsjester on October 1, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Maybe there is a phone number to call.

Bmore on October 1, 2013 at 10:24 AM

And, snail mail is still operational. Postal workers are ‘essential,’ ya know!

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:32 AM

But for how long will you experience such joy?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Considering my experience with the NHS, for the rest of my life.

Just keep saying:

Health insurance =/= Healthcare

lmfao

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:33 AM

FREE STUFF! FREE STUFF! FREE STUFF!
WHOOPEEEE!!

Key West Reader on October 1, 2013 at 10:33 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Say, verbaluce, you don’t happen to have the phone number to call to let them know that there might be some problems. Do ya?

Bmore on October 1, 2013 at 10:34 AM

And, snail mail is still operational. Postal workers are ‘essential,’ ya know!

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:32 AM

The Post Office is supposedly self funded. I don’t know that any budget or CR is supposed to impact them. We only pay when they come asking for a bailout.

NotCoach on October 1, 2013 at 10:34 AM

It needs a BSUSB (h/t Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2)

22044 on October 1, 2013 at 10:24 AM

22044 on October 1, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Why do the democrats want people to die?

CurtZHP on October 1, 2013 at 10:34 AM

obama and his dopes have had four years to build this system, and it crashed and burned in four minutes – AS EXPECTED.

Pork-Chop on October 1, 2013 at 10:34 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Say, verbaluce, you don’t happen to have the phone number to call to let them know that there might be some problems. Do ya?

Bmore on October 1, 2013 at 10:34 AM

ATTTAAAACKK WWAAAAATCH!!!!

CurtZHP on October 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM

You have to love the timing. The exchanges fail at exactly the same time all Senate Dems go on record as refusing to delay the not-ready-for-primetime Barrycare.

obladioblada on October 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Hey moron, I tried to create an account this morning on the FEDERAL site and you can’t even get past the security questions…they don’t even appear!! I used to be a programmer and let me tell you something, if you don’t even have the front end working THEN YOU DON’T LAUNCH IT!

BeachBum on October 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM

NotCoach on October 1, 2013 at 10:34 AM

I know, but isn’t it good to know that you can apply for Obamacare using snail mail?

FOREWARD!

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Ed –
You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

They’ve had 3.5 years to test these things.

But like with all Leftist, utopian fantasies, they figured:

1. Pass legislation without reading it
2. ???
3. Utopia!

mankai on October 1, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Ed –
You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

To have crashed servers, error messages, and security question drop-down boxes with no security questions is amateur hour. Remember, this is the bureaucracy that’s going to be overseeing our health care.

Doughboy on October 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM

This. I started up a website a while back. Took about an hour to put together and didn’t blow anything up. Never got an error message. Didn’t cost millions of dollars to screw up either. And I don’t even know HTML.

CurtZHP on October 1, 2013 at 10:37 AM

I know, but isn’t it good to know that you can apply for Obamacare using snail mail?

FOREWARD!

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Of course, since you can’t print the application from a downed website, you have to first write a letter requesting the app before you can mail it back and ‘apply.’

lol

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Ed –
You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Actual sign at HHS: “Don’t leave tax returns on the fax machine”.

http://www.atr.org/navigators-warned-dont-leave-tax-returns-a7892

Pure awesomeness. Think about that, people actually need to be TOLD not to do this.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:38 AM

I’ve built a several small and mid-scale online database/workflow apps in my time. It’s a general principle that you test them before you release them, even smaller apps. You test for the number of users, database connections, etc. There are lot’s of ways to handle scaling issues, lots of ways to plan for slowdowns and failures. Sounds like this didn’t happen.

oldroy on October 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM

If this is how the public portal is acting I’d hate to see the backoffice security situation on medical records …

Luckily, we’ll all be “shielded” from that information by Barky’s junta and the MSM. I can see more accusations of “spying” against any non-leftist reporter who looks into that situation.

Even if I don’t do anything with BarkyCare my medical records are still subject to their stupidity and desire to broadcast them around the world.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 1, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Roger that, but have you also thought about this scenario?

IRS Agent: Well, Mr. Jones, while we understand your tax protest and you’ve indeed presented a very compelling case, it might be a good idea to go ahead and pay what we say you owe. By the way, was Mrs. Jones aware of your case of STD that was diagnosed and treated last March? And, is your employer aware of your heart condition and the possibility that you might not be able to take that promotion they’ve talked to you about? Have a nice day.

TXUS on October 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM

ROFL

What do the states not understand about “free”? We were supposed to be able to just stroll into a hospital and get top-flight care at a moment’s notice, why do we need to have a plan?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Because those fast, tip-flight care facilities are now Fourth Department clinics reserved for the administration and its nomenklatura cronies.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM

“tip”, “top”; what difference at this point does it make?

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 10:40 AM

1. Pass legislation without reading it
2. ???
3. Utopia!

mankai on October 1, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Are we at stage 2 or 3 now?

oldroy on October 1, 2013 at 10:40 AM

In my opinion this is where the GOP has the democrats by the balls! Let the democrats own this mess.

Time for the GOP to pull back and let this disaster bake into the public – the GOP is on record for trying as hard as they could to prevent this while democrats wouldn’t do a thing to fix it.

Let the democrats own this!

bzip on October 1, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Ed –
You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

I genuinely hope that ypou and everyone you love suffer immeasurably under obamacare. I hope everything gets taken away from you. I hope that you are mugged by reality. I hope it destroys you.

Murphy9 on October 1, 2013 at 10:41 AM

The irony that so many HA’ers are experience some difficulties with websites…while they try and sign up for insurance today.
Ha.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Pure awesomeness. Think about that, people actually need to be TOLD not to do this.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:38 AM

I think someone needs to tell Uncle Joe to turn the briefing book around when being photographed, too…

Pic of the Day: CODEWORD: MORON

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Ed –
You mean the Iraq war plan didn’t work perfectly?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

I love this game

faraway on October 1, 2013 at 10:43 AM

The irony that so many HA’ers are experience some difficulties with websites…while they try and sign up for insurance today.
Ha.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:41 AM

You are truly stupid. I pity you. But I will not pay for your wet dream, trash-picker.

oldroy on October 1, 2013 at 10:43 AM

The irony that so many HA’ers are experience some difficulties with websites…while they try and sign up for insurance today.
Ha.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Proof please.

I have no intention of ever logging on to an exchange site…although the temptation to participate in an Operation Chaos game is pretty strong.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Never mind verbaluce, I think I found it. 1-800-USA-DOWN.

Bmore on October 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM

I genuinely hope that ypou and everyone you love suffer immeasurably under obamacare. I hope everything gets taken away from you. I hope that you are mugged by reality. I hope it destroys you.

Murphy9 on October 1, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Wow, you’re a nasty crank, aren’t you now.
Not sure what the treatment is is for unhinged bitter rage, but I do hope you’re covered.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Do you have health insurance?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:45 AM

I thought if the Federal Government had to set up the exchanges in a
state, they could not give subsidies to the people in that state. Anybody know if this is true?

Barred on October 1, 2013 at 10:45 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Uh, just because I tried the site doesn’t mean I’m signing up. I was just checking the magnificence of it all..oh and GFY

BeachBum on October 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Never mind verbaluce, I think I found it. 1-800-USA-DOWN.

Bmore on October 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM

That’s actually the number to Speaker Cruz’s office.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Do you have health insurance?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Catastrophic coverage, but I’m willing to give that up, too. I pay cash for my healthcare and prescriptions so I don’t even use my insurance.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Troll sure is nervous about that fix not being there.

CurtZHP on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Uh, just because I tried the site doesn’t mean I’m signing up.

BeachBum on October 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Mmm…so you say.

I have insurance, so I’m not shopping for it.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

That’s actually the number to Speaker Cruz’s office.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM

So, now, a SENATOR is Speaker of the HOUSE.

Has anyone hugged you and said ‘Bless your heart,’ today?

If not, {{{hugs}}}.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:48 AM

I wonder….

When the crates of computer equipment showed up at the exchanges, did they by any chance say “ACME” on them?

CurtZHP on October 1, 2013 at 10:48 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Funny. When I call it, I get the White House.

Bmore on October 1, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Thankfully my wife is at a conference in Las Vegas this week and isn’t in the Clinic today.

I’ll talk to her coworkers about how “Day 1: Obamacare diaries” is going. Their hospital/clinic is across the street from the largest “homeless tent city” in Central Florida so they get plenty of walk-ins wanting free care – I can only imagine that its beyond manageable today.

BTW, every single one of the fellow physicians that I’ve spoken to about Obamacare loathe and despise it.

Defenestratus on October 1, 2013 at 10:49 AM

I have insurance, so I’m not shopping for it.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Because I like you. Start shopping for it now. Your current insurance will be closing down soon.

Bmore on October 1, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Obama wanted chaos. He got it.

faraway on October 1, 2013 at 10:50 AM

I thought if the Federal Government had to set up the exchanges in a
state, they could not give subsidies to the people in that state. Anybody know if this is true?

Barred on October 1, 2013 at 10:45 AM

That’s what the law says, specifically, and there is a case on the issue at present in Federal court in Oklahoma.

IIRC, subsidies aren’t available for anyone until 2014. You can buy insurance on an exchange today – assuming that it’s working – but you have to wait for the subsidy.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Because those fast, tip-flight care facilities are now Fourth Department clinics reserved for the administration and its nomenklatura cronies.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Hold on a minute, homophobe, are you telling me that the promised fairness will be doled out unequally? Man, that’s disappointing.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:51 AM

In my opinion this is where the GOP has the democrats by the balls! Let the democrats own this mess.

Time for the GOP to pull back and let this disaster bake into the public – the GOP is on record for trying as hard as they could to prevent this while democrats wouldn’t do a thing to fix it.

Let the democrats own this!

bzip on October 1, 2013 at 10:40 AM

exactamundo…the prez is falling right into cruz’s lap. the timing is exquisite.

gracie on October 1, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Catastrophic coverage, but I’m willing to give that up, too. I pay cash for my healthcare and prescriptions so I don’t even use my insurance.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Well, you’re either in the money or in denial.
My nephew’s got an operation coming up tmrw.
Fortunately insured. Or we’d be looking for the 80k to pay for it.

And I assume you don’t insure your home, car, or anything…yea?

(I have a trust fund friend who once lectured me on what a rip-off life inusrance was. I asked him if he had to worry for his kids if anything ever happened to him – or would perhaps his billioanire family maybe step in…he said ‘oh yea, right’.)

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:51 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Listen VDouche, I’m not “shopping” for it either BECAUSE and read carefully…it is a FRAUD. The Bronze plan has a 6k deductible…that helps NO ONE who your Messiah said it would help. The reason I want to look at the site is to confirm what the Kaiser site has published oh and ESAD

BeachBum on October 1, 2013 at 10:51 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Listen VDouche, I’m not “shopping” for it either BECAUSE and read carefully…it is a FRAUD. The Bronze plan has a 6k deductible…that helps NO ONE who your Messiah said it would help. The reason I want to look at the site is to confirm what the Kaiser site has published oh and ESAD

BeachBum on October 1, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Ok…we believe you. Sort of.

Yes, a 6k deductible.
What’s the deductible with no insurance again?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Like the Leftists who continue to put Sen. McCarthy on the House Unamerican Activities Committee.

mankai on October 1, 2013 at 10:55 AM

I have insurance, so I’m not shopping for it.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Because I like you. Start shopping for it now. Your current insurance will be closing down soon.

Bmore on October 1, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Based in Mass. As is my biz.
So this isn’t new for me. And for that reason not scary.
Mass exchange to a while to sort of the glitches.
Works very well now.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:56 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Oh you’re soooo smug aren’t you? According to your savior, this was supposed to help low income people get access to check ups etc. IT DOESN”T with a 6k deductible please tell me what low income people can afford to pay $6000 BEFORE they get free anything????

BeachBum on October 1, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Well, you’re either in the money or in denial.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Well, I’m not in denial and I have been on an Obama Vacay since 20 January 2009 so I’ll let your HUGE brain figure it out.

And I assume you don’t insure your home, car, or anything…yea?

Well, auto insurance is state-mandated and, even then, you can either post a bond or pay only for insurance that covers damage TO OTHERS.

As for property, I decide how much I want to purchase, if any at all, without any government mandate whatsoever.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Starting today, I get to sign up for my company’s new high deductible health insurance plan! Our old plan was one of those mean, nasty, Cadillac plans that we can’t survive the tax imposed on them. I still get to pay insurance premiums AND I have to cover the first $4600 in out-of-pocket expenses too! I wuv you Obama! Thank you for making it punitive to have company sponsored health insurance! …you farging douche bag.

Wyznowski on October 1, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Mass exchange to a while to sort of the glitches.
Works very well now.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:56 AM

How’s That MittMare in Massachusetts Doing? About As Well As You’d Expect.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Health insurance doesn’t equal health care. There’s going to be an awful lot of people who are po’ed about not getting their free stuff.

obladioblada on October 1, 2013 at 10:22 AM

^this^ I had to explain that to several of my “liberal” friends. What good is having insurance if no-one accepts it? And they were clueless about what “deductibles” were. And the meds…not so free.

My own insurance went up 50% and the deductibles doubled. Meds went up 400% (Glad I only need one!)

Sarge

AFSarge on October 1, 2013 at 10:57 AM

…I thought the ‘high tech’ crowd was in charge!

KOOLAID2 on October 1, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Oh you’re soooo smug aren’t you? According to your savior, this was supposed to help low income people get access to check ups etc. IT DOESN”T with a 6k deductible please tell me what low income people can afford to pay $6000 BEFORE they get free anything????

BeachBum on October 1, 2013 at 10:56 AM

I think you need to speak with someone who can help you better understand all this.
But ‘check ups’ are not subject to the deductible.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:58 AM

$6,000 DEDUCTIBLE?????

WHAT????????????????????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

That’s not insurance. That’s a scam. ObamaScam.

faraway on October 1, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Verbie, again, 85% of Americans were happy with their health insurance and healthcare BEFORE Obamacare. You get to deal with those that you pizz off.

It’s not as though you weren’t warned.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:59 AM

The main thing missing when checking out these plans is this: What doctors and hospitals are participating in which plans?

And there’s NO free ride here. The bronze plan has a huge deductible AND after that is paid (per calendar year, mind you), then coverage is only 60%.

Example: $10,000 hospital bill, you pay $6000 + $2400 = $8400

$50,000 bill, you pay $6000 + $17,600 = $23,600

People who buy the bronze plan most likely are in a lower income bracket. Those bills certainly aren’t going to look like a ‘free ride’ to them.

TeaTrekkie on October 1, 2013 at 10:59 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

This is the big difference between government and business. You see, verbadope, a business has CUSTOMERS and when you screw the customer you go out of business. Or as Ray says in Ghostbusters:

“They gave us money and facilities, we didn’t have to produce anything! … You don’t know what it’s like out there! I’ve *worked* in the private sector. They expect *results*”

Let me know when someone actually gets fired for screwing up so badly.

PackerBronco on October 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:51 AM

It’s really hard to digest that much stupid. Perhaps you could explain some things to us though, oh wise one. Why will the currently uninsured sign up for a deal that is much more expensive then anything they could have gotten yesterday, in both premiums and deductibles? Apparently they were all in denial? Today they’ll be in super special denial? And all of those who only had catastrophic coverage, but are now barred from getting it today? Where is the good deal for them?

You really are quite the ignorant Fluke. Most people who pay out of pocket, like RWM, actually pay much less then the insured do. And she carries catastrophic coverage for large expenses. Any young person can do quite well for themselves without being a trust fund baby under those circumstances, but that option now no longer exists. Now people must pay much more money for insurance they don’t want or need. And you really expect people to sign up for that in droves?

NotCoach on October 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

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