Videos: ObamaCare rollout performance … “lower than projected”

posted at 10:01 am on October 1, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

“Lower than projected” was, of course, the Orwellian description from HHS of skyrocketing premiums last week, approved for today’s rollout of ObamaCare.  It’s also a good way to describe today’s rollout of ObamaCare itself, with exchange and support websites looking like this:

In Minnesota, even Paul Bunyan can’t hack his way into MNSure’s computers with his giant axe:

Consumers won’t be able to use Minnesota’s new online marketplace for health insurance as planned Tuesday morning and will have to wait until sometime in the afternoon, the head of the state-run exchange said Monday.

April Todd-Malmlov, executive director of MNsure, said officials want to make sure the system connects properly with federal computer systems and that it’s secure before it goes live for consumers. MNsure officials had been saying for months they expected consumers could start signing up at the start of the business day Tuesday. She said they weren’t sure what time in the afternoon the system would be ready.

Enrollment begins Tuesday nationwide for coverage under the Obama administration’s Affordable Care Act. Roughly 300,000 uninsured Minnesotans are expected to buy insurance via the portal. The delay is one of several glitches in MNsure’s rollout that Todd-Malmlov spoke about late Monday afternoon.

“Generally, anytime you go into a new enterprise there are things you expect and things you deal with that are a bit unanticipated,” Todd-Malmlov said. “So we have always been planning to be up on October 1. We do need to do that in coordination with our federal partners, and we want to make sure that we are doing that in a planned and not-rushed way to make sure that everything is ready to go and working on Day 1.”

“Pieces will come together” by, er … Day 5 or so. Maybe. It’s not just Minnesota, either.  Oregon has its problems, too — and it will be down for weeks.  So will the Connecticut exchange (via TWS):

You know what might have helped? A delay. Nevertheless, Barack Obama plans to start trotting out exchange customers as political props immediately:

President Barack Obama will continue his no-compromise budget strategy Tuesday when he holds a mid-day meeting with supposed beneficiaries of his landmark health care law.

“The President will meet with Americans who will benefit from the opening of Health Insurance Marketplaces and being able to comparison shop for the health plans as a result of the Affordable Care Act,” says the White House’s calendar for Oct. 1, the first day of the 2014 budget. …

Obama will likely to use the public meeting with Obamacare recipients to push his no-compromise strategy.

Based on initial government-prepared reports, White House officials and Democrats claim that several million Americans will be able to buy cheaper, government-defined insurance via federally-run marketplaces.

However, free-market advocates say the government’s insurance prices are higher than current prices, especially for young people and married people, and that the quality, availability and proximity of government-approved medical services are likely to be inferior than the ones available today.

Maybe he can start with the consumers who can actually access the exchanges and execute a purchase, but then he’d have to wait a few weeks for his photo op.


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Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM

And that’s on top of all the legal graft which is going to funnel all sorts of money to “community organizers” for “outreach” and “signing people up”. ObamaCare is going to be part of the Democrat GOTV effort.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:19 PM

I answered above –
verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 11:44 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:18 PM

HAHA. Yeah, throw them a fundraiser.

Chuck Schick on October 1, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Read the posts libtard.

My wife – who just got training from an official 0care hack – because she’s a librarian and they are turning all of our librarians into 0care hacks/guides.

She said every time someone asked the 0care hack a tough question she couldn’t answer, or pointed out a limitation like this one, she fell back on the standard “well, it’s going to be great and wonderful and everyone is going to love it” – just like you do.

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Stop it with the facts already!1!11!!1!

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Don’t forget the car washes, too.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:16 PM

What might it cost to have Paris Hilton wash my car in a bikini, while holding a Carl’s Jr burger?
;)

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 12:21 PM

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 12:18 PM

It’s not true.
Ask your wife to explain it to you better.

If you guys are gonna go with silly misinformation – who I am to change your mind.
I hope you stay healthy and don’t get sick to find out you were wrong.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:21 PM

President Obama: Expect months of ‘glitches’

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/obamacare-rollout-president-obama-interview-97613.html

davidk on October 1, 2013 at 12:21 PM

It’s not true.
Ask your wife to explain it to you better.

If you guys are gonna go with silly misinformation – who I am to change your mind.
I hope you stay healthy and don’t get sick to find out you were wrong.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Oh, so dentarthurdent is stupid or his wife is. One thing is for certain is that you and the ObamaCare hack aren’t wrong, right?

Is it also dentarthurdent’s fault that the exchanges don’t work?

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Don’t forget the car washes, too.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:16 PM

What might it cost to have Paris Hilton wash my car in a bikini, while holding a Carl’s Jr burger?
;)

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 12:21 PM

That’s actually covered in the Medical Marijuana laws.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:22 PM

It’s not true.
Ask your wife to explain it to you better.

If you guys are gonna go with silly misinformation – who I am to change your mind.
I hope you stay healthy and don’t get sick to find out you were wrong.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Here’s some information for you from the WSJ.

Show me one state where premiums didn’t rise sharply.

WSJ

Chuck Schick on October 1, 2013 at 12:23 PM

It’s not true.
Ask your wife to explain it to you better.

If you guys are gonna go with silly misinformation – who I am to change your mind.
I hope you stay healthy and don’t get sick to find out you were wrong.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:21 PM

You really are a clueless libtard.
I tell you what is actually in it and what the 0care hacks are training people on, and all you can come up with is “it’s not true”.
Uhh, ya it is dumb@zz.
Time for you to go get your free 0care colonoscopy – maybe they can find your head.

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 12:24 PM

It’s not true… If you guys are gonna go with silly misinformation – who I am to change your mind.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:21 PM

So, my monthly health insurance premiums are really going to decrease by 3,000% like President Obama promised?

lol

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM

For Maryland’s Health Exchange:
6:00 A.M. = Notice says it will be open at 8:00 A.M.
8:20 A.M. = Not working
8:39 A.M. = New notice says it will be open at noon
12:05 P.M. = Notice still says it will be open at noon
12:20 P.M. = Actually up and “running” if by that they mean you can watch the spinny “still loading” circle…

scrub_oak on October 1, 2013 at 12:26 PM

If you guys are gonna go with silly misinformation – who I am to change your mind.
I hope you stay healthy and don’t get sick to find out you were wrong.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:21 PM

So on what page is that covered?: http://hsaguy.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/obamacare-pages-stacked.jpg?w=460&h=315

davidk on October 1, 2013 at 12:26 PM

I answered above –
verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 11:44 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:18 PM

No you didn’t, you simply suggested that the guy try some sort of private fundraising.

The question is simple: What happens if the dude CAN’T come up with the money even after he’s tried everything?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 12:27 PM

So, my monthly health insurance premiums are really going to decrease by 3,000% like President Obama promised?

lol

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM

You can’t actually use the words of the President as meaningful. He was just the snake oil salesman.

The bill that no one read that we had to pass to see what was in it that ceded power to the HHS to make it up as it went along was created in backroom deals headed up by Reid and Pelosi. So, that’s unfair really to quote Obama.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:29 PM

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:29 PM

But, do Obama’s own words constitute ‘silly misinformation’?

ha

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:30 PM

I hope you stay healthy and don’t get sick to find out you were wrong.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:21 PM

I have a company subsidized health insurance policy, so I really don’t care that much about the exchanges – except that I was just notified my premiums are increasing 68% next year because of 0care.

My wife didn’t get training in 0care in order to go get the coverage through the exchange – we already have insurance through my job.
She got the training because they’re having librarians push 0care and help people sign up – NOT what librarians are supposed to be doing.

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 12:32 PM

But, do Obama’s own words constitute ‘silly misinformation’?

ha

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:30 PM

You got me there =)

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:33 PM

You’ll never guess who queried Ben Carson after he challenged Obama

‘I had my first encounter with the IRS…’

- Dr Ben Carson

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:33 PM

ZeroCare I should call it LessThanZeroCare ™.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:18 PM

A fundraiser? You realize you just defined yourself with that, right? Or maybe you don’t see it. Everything about you is making other people pay for your irresponsibility or stupidity.

Pay your own damn bills.

Explain to me why it’s right to take money away from me and other working stiffs to pay for you. You’re a thief. That’s all.

What you’re saying is that we should all pity the poor parasites who can’t afford to pay their own way and cover them.

I’m referring to congress and the pResidentwhen I say “parasites.”

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 12:36 PM

WaPo: ‘Ways to Punish Congress … Line ‘Em Up and Shoot ‘Em’

Whatever happened to gun control and NuTone©?

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:37 PM

So, my monthly health insurance premiums are really going to decrease by 3,000% like President Obama promised?

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Right, he said that. /
But as you’ve said – you choose to be uninsured.
So you pay $0 and that less 3000%…is $0.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:37 PM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:37 PM

He did say it – do I really have to go get the video? – so was he guilty of spreading ‘silly misinformation’?

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:39 PM

What happens if someone can’t pay the deductible?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Right, he said that. /

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Obama: Premiums Will Decrease 3000% So You Should Get A Raise When H’care Is Passed

But as you’ve said – you choose to be uninsured.
So you pay $0 and that less 3000%…is $0.

Except she never said that.

Why will the young and uninsured sign up for this crap sandwich?

NotCoach on October 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM

A fundraiser? You realize you just defined yourself with that, right? Or maybe you don’t see it. Everything about you is making other people pay for your irresponsibility or stupidity.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Wait…so when someone has a fundraiser for their sick kid…you skip it because it’s “making other people pay for (their) irresponsibility or stupidity”.
Nice.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Right, he said that. /
But as you’ve said – you choose to be uninsured.
So you pay $0 and that less 3000%…is $0.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:37 PM

In his own words:

1:16 mark

Chuck Schick on October 1, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Wait…so when someone has a fundraiser for their sick kid…you skip it because it’s “making other people pay for (their) irresponsibility or stupidity”.
Nice.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM

So now we need fundraisers? You already giving up on ObamaCare?

Chuck Schick on October 1, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Right, he said that. /
But as you’ve said – you choose to be uninsured.
So you pay $0 and that less 3000%…is $0.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Ahhh, another – “it’s just not true”…..
Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt….

How many different links do we have to post to prove you wrong, AGAIN?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/obama_you_will_see_premiums_fa.html

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Wait…so when someone has a fundraiser for their sick kid…you skip it because it’s “making other people pay for (their) irresponsibility or stupidity”.
Nice.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Why would anyone need fundraisers any more – now that 0care is going to cover EVERYONE?
And how many links do we need to post when you try to claim no Dem ever said that either?

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Chuck Schick on October 1, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Really?
He obviously misspoke…and this is your go to?

(You do know he misspoke…right?)

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM

NotCoach on October 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Top comment at YouTube

Don’t blame Obama here, it wasn’t his fault. The teleprompter displayed the decimal point in the wrong place and all he did was read it. It should’ve dispayed it as “30,000%.”

:D

mankai on October 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Right, he said that. /
But as you’ve said – you choose to be uninsured.
So you pay $0 and that less 3000%…is $0.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Do you have health insurance?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:45 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Catastrophic coverage, but I’m willing to give that up, too. I pay cash for my healthcare and prescriptions so I don’t even use my insurance.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Reading (comprehension) is fun(damental)!

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM

(You do know he misspoke…right?)

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM

So what figure did he mean to use?

Has it come to pass?

mankai on October 1, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Really?
He obviously misspoke…and this is your go to?

(You do know he misspoke…right?)

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM

I guess he misspoke when he said that ‘if you like your health insurance, you can keep it!’ and ‘if you like your doctor, you can keep him, too!’ and ‘most people’s health insurance premiums will be lower than their cellphone bill!’

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Really?
He obviously misspoke…and this is your go to?

(You do know he misspoke…right?)

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Well of course he misspoke, you moron. He meant to say $3000.

Which isn’t close to true either, it it?

Chuck Schick on October 1, 2013 at 12:49 PM

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM

You’re just gonna make you’re whole argument out of b.s., right?
Do whatever you want.
Hope you stay healthy.
(And that your wife is in charge of the big decisions for the family.)

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Really?
He obviously misspoke…and this is your go to?

(You do know he misspoke…right?)

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM

He does that a lot, doesn’t he?
Kind of hurts your libtard meme that he’s such a genius.
I bet he a three ohh, but he dont read cursive cuz that be ole skoooo…

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM

What happens if someone can’t pay the deductible?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 12:40 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXiifFBHj5g

davidk on October 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Really?
He obviously misspoke…and this is your go to?

(You do know he misspoke…right?)

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM

So, I am going to get to keep my catastrophic coverage only health insurance plan?

LOL. ‘Silly misinformation’ indeed!

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Really?
He obviously misspoke…and this is your go to?

(You do know he misspoke…right?)

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Ok, then tell us what the real value he promised is.

Because he hasn’t stopped telling us that premiums would go down. He said it again several days ago. We already know they’re going up. The government’s own numbers say they are going up. But Obama says their going down. So please tell us exactly what is it that Obama is promising.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Wait…so when someone has a fundraiser for their sick kid…you skip it because it’s “making other people pay for (their) irresponsibility or stupidity”.
Nice.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM

What happens if the fundraiser doesn’t raise enough to cover the deductible?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Really?
He obviously misspoke…and this is your go to?

(You do know he misspoke…right?)

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM

He also said if you like your doctor you can keep it. LIE
He also said if you like your plan you can keep it. LIE
He said premiums would go down. LIE
He said more people would be covered. LIE

Or were these also things that we should have obviously known were misstatements (he made over and over again and still makes).

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Here’s that link again since vebaluce ignored it

Show me ONE STATE where premiums didn’t rise sharply. ONE.

Nebraska is a SIX FOLD INCREASE.

Chuck Schick on October 1, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Verbie, you are a scream!

Remember this:

Verbaluce Gets Pwn3d.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 12:54 PM

You’re just gonna make you’re whole argument out of b.s., right?
Do whatever you want.
Hope you stay healthy.
(And that your wife is in charge of the big decisions for the family.)

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM

I have health insurance through my company, but then if you knew how to read and comprehend you’d know that already.
But as usual you can’t read what’s posted, you deny what’s really happening, and you post nothing but nonsense.

And you’re just gonna stick your fingers in your ears, and your head in the sand (or up your @zz), and claim everything is just unicorn farts and rainbows, right?
Why do you libtards have such a hard time with facts and truth?
Is it really that hard for you?

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Wait…so when someone has a fundraiser for their sick kid…you skip it because it’s “making other people pay for (their) irresponsibility or stupidity”.
Nice.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM

There was a time when people would be ashamed to beg other people for anything. One’s family is one’s responsibility. I’ve been there and spent my life’s savings to provide healthcare to my wife and I did it gladly. I’d do it again in a heartbeat.

It’s not your job to pay her bills, nor is it the government’s. I don’t want or welcome their help or the rectal probe that accompanies it.

You’re still a thief. You feebly attempt to justify it with emotional pleas. You’re in the wrong place.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 12:57 PM

I’m not a poor man but $6000 would still hurt, what about a family which is living paycheck to paycheck, what happens if they can’t pay the deductible?

Come on, verbs, this must have been covered somewhere in a piece of legislation 2,800 pages long.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 12:57 PM

The BEA website its down and there are reports we won’t have our weekly dose of economic propaganda. I’m all choked up.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Typical federal boondoggle:

The National Helium Reserve, also known as the Federal Helium Reserve, is a strategic reserve of the United States holding over 1 billion cubic meters (1E9 m3) of helium gas. The helium is stored at the Cliffside Storage Facility about 12 miles (19 km) northwest of Amarillo, Texas, in a natural geologic gas storage formation, the Bush Dome[1] reservoir. The reserve was established in 1925 as a strategic supply of gas for airships, and in the 1950s became an important source of coolant during the Space Race and Cold War.

The facilities were located close to the Hugoton and other natural gas fields in southwest Kansas and the panhandle of Oklahoma, plus the Panhandle Field in Texas.[2] The natural gas in these fields contains unusually high percentages of helium, from 0.3% to 2.7%; they constitute the largest source of helium in the United States. The helium is separated as a byproduct from the produced natural gas.

After the Helium Acts Amendments of 1960 (Public Law 86–777), the U.S. Bureau of Mines arranged for five private plants to recover helium from natural gas. For this helium conservation program, the Bureau built a 425-mile (684 km) pipeline from Bushton, Kansas, to connect those plants with the government’s partially depleted Cliffside gas field.[3] This helium-nitrogen mixture was injected and stored in the Cliffside gas field until needed, when it then was further purified.

By 1995, a billion cubic metres of the gas had been collected and the reserve was US$1.4 billion in debt, prompting the Congress of the United States in 1996 to phase out the reserve.[4][5] The resulting “Helium Privatization Act of 1996″ (Public Law 104–273) directed the United States Department of the Interior to start liquidating the reserve by 2005.[6]

By 2007, the federal government was reported as auctioning off the Amarillo Helium Plant. The National Helium Reserve itself was reported as “slowly being drawn down and sold to private industry.”[7] However by early 2011, the facility was still in government hands. In May of 2013, The House of Representatives voted to extend the life of the reserve under government control.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Helium_Reserve

davidk on October 1, 2013 at 1:00 PM

That should be at the other thread. Obviously.

davidk on October 1, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Come on, verbs, this must have been covered somewhere in a piece of legislation 2,800 pages long.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Verbs said they should do a fundraiser. Maybe they could crowdsource it, like kickstarter or something…

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 1:01 PM

The Associated Press pointed out, though, that the “bronze” plans Obama referenced required a lot more out-of-pocket costs for consumers as well. “Those who choose bronze will have to pay 40 percent of their medical bills out of pocket through deductibles and copayments,” the AP wrote in its fact check. “A family’s share of medical costs could go as high as $12,700 a year, or $6,350 for individuals, on top of those cell-phone-like premiums.” The upcoming price bomb will hit in the three months of open registration for the January 1 mandate deadline, when all of these expectations of lower premiums and better coverage come crashing down on the 85 percent of Americans who had health insurance four years ago, when 87 percent of those liked their coverage just fine.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Case study: Transient dude goes to the hospital for a lump under his arm which gets diagnosed as cancer. He has the clothes on his back and that’s it, no social network to rely on, does he get treated?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Come on, verba, why are you avoiding giving a real answer to this?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Case study: Transient dude goes to the hospital for a lump under his arm which gets diagnosed as cancer. He has the clothes on his back and that’s it, no social network to rely on, does he get treated?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM

I’d guess he becomes a bar of soylent green.

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Barack Obama ✔ @BarackObama

“The Affordable Care Act is moving forward. You can’t shut it down.” —President Obama #Obamacare

http://thisistwitchy.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/screen-shot-2013-10-01-at-5-11-25-am.png?w=620

davidk on October 1, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Nevertheless, Barack Obama plans to start trotting out exchange customers as political props immediately:

“The President will meet with Americans who will benefit from the opening of Health Insurance Marketplaces

So we are going to be seeing a lot of Illegal immigrants and welfare cheats?!

Sterling Holobyte on October 1, 2013 at 1:13 PM

I guess he becomes a statistic lost in the shuffle of the greatness which is DeathCare.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 1:16 PM

So we are going to be seeing a lot of Illegal immigrants and welfare cheats?!

Sterling Holobyte on October 1, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Or better yet, a bunch of frauds since no one has to show proof of income right now. A fitting example of this clusterfark for Obama to use.

NotCoach on October 1, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Show me one state where premiums didn’t rise sharply.

Chuck Schick on October 1, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Excellent link.

lynncgb on October 1, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Oh my, the REB is speeching right now. Key phrase: “Republican shutdown”.

He’s using his earnest voice way too much, in almost every sentence, a sign of desperation.

He also has the requisite ‘sob-stories’ with him to quote like on SNL, as we expect from the liberals.

slickwillie2001 on October 1, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Politico: Obama Shows ‘Resolve and Strength’ By Shutting Government

But, but, but, I thought it was the ‘Republican Shutdown’???

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 1:20 PM

This reminds me of a John Lennon interview from 1969 after he was chosen as Man of the Decade by some group. He was so excited about 1970 and gave us the “it’s gonna be great!” schtick.

In his final 1980 interview he said his new album was reaching out to the people of his generation partly to say, “Weren’t the 70s a drag?”

Utopia meets reality… just like OCare today.

mankai on October 1, 2013 at 1:21 PM

I love how the system has a similar look and feel to Obama’s campaign media. Narcissism on display.

stvnscott on October 1, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM

The NSB puts people such as the one you describe in rooms and give them pain meds. The NSB kills them. Not to put too fine a point on it.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Sorry, I was referring to the UK’s NHS. I dunno where I got NSB….

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM

I’d guess he becomes a bar of soylent green.

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Or chips. Or Textured SG – great to add to chili beans for extra protein. Wonderful stuff. Make sure you get the grass fed Soylent Green and stay away from the GMO Soylent Green.

Obamacare will lower your premiums and additional amount over the already affordable premiums if you are a regular Soylent Green consumer. Just show your receipts on your tax return.

oldroy on October 1, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Or chips. Or Textured SG – great to add to chili beans for extra protein. Wonderful stuff. Make sure you get the grass fed Soylent Green and stay away from the GMO Soylent Green.

Obamacare will lower your premiums and additional amount over the already affordable premiums if you are a regular Soylent Green consumer. Just show your receipts on your tax return.

oldroy on October 1, 2013 at 1:52 PM

I don’t know about the grass fed stuff. All of the source material I’ve seen that’s grass fed (i.e. vegan) looks too skinny and sickly to provide much nutrition.
To quote Gary Larson – “to hell with this sick and old stuff, I want something in its prime”.

dentarthurdent on October 1, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Fun with numbers. So, today the Tax Credit and Premium Estimator download is working from the NYS site http://info.nystateofhealth.ny.gov/PremiumEstimator . It wants to open in Excel, if using OpenOffice, open it from in program.

After an hour on hold, finally got confirmation from Blue Cross that we will no longer have the option of buying major medical only plan from them as of Jan. 1. Currently we pay 421 a month for the hit by a bus/heart attack and not lose your house plan. Now we have a selection of turd sandwich options: discounting the three new companies that popped up, several of which seem like scams to just rake in money, with either no information on coverage or 3 primary care physicians in the whole area, the lowest priced plan is from Emblem.

For the Bronze level the deductibles are 3000 per person/6000 per family and you then also pay 50% of all doctor visits, specialists, Er visits, hospitalization, etc……all for the low low price of 948 per month. The scary never heard of companies are 100 or so less, Affinity 150 more and United is 1500 per month for this ridiculous excuse of insurance. Now, maybe we can get someone else to pick up the tab, let’s play with income amounts. If you make 60K for 2 adults and a “child” under 26, the premium after tax rebates is 382.69, 70K it is 461.86, 75K 501 and by 80K no tax break. Which, let’s face it you will be paying for anyhow with increased taxes to cover this subsidy. So OK great, let’s say you get in for the discounted price of $501 a month, $6,012 a year, now you need only pay the first $6,000 of family doctor visits, hospitalization, etc and we finally get to the free stuff, it only cost $12,000 to get there, $17,400 if you made 80K and have no tax subsidy. Are you excited yet? At least gynecological visits are free and the pill (phew) I won’t have to pay Walgreen’s 10 bucks a month.

BTW, for same family of 3, Silver plan is 1098 monthly, deductibles of 2000/4000, Gold is 1313 monthly, 600/1200. Platinum is 1579 monthly with no deductibles. The higher the plan the lower copays too, and no more paying 50% of each bill. You are out of luck for tax subsidies on the higher plans, if you make over 62K.

Yay, I will be covered, no more negotiating a cash price with a doctor, I can just pay 50% of full insurance company prices, after $12,000 leaves my pocket. Who, beside those newly eligible for Medicaid wants this? Since part of the law says I cannot be turned down for insurance, maybe the IRS fines are the better route, and only apply for insurance after the bus or heart attack hits? I wonder if their intention was to get responsible people to drop insurance.

Madisonian on October 1, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Yay, I will be covered, no more negotiating a cash price with a doctor, I can just pay 50% of full insurance company prices, after $12,000 leaves my pocket. Who, beside those newly eligible for Medicaid wants this? Since part of the law says I cannot be turned down for insurance, maybe the IRS fines are the better route, and only apply for insurance after the bus or heart attack hits? I wonder if their intention was to get responsible people to drop insurance.

Madisonian on October 1, 2013 at 2:32 PM

But because it’s less expensive than it could have been, that makes it affordable.

And if you buy the plan, is there some sort of guarantee of when and where you can see your doctors?

oldroy on October 1, 2013 at 3:15 PM

But because it’s less expensive than it could have been, that makes it affordable.

And if you buy the plan, is there some sort of guarantee of when and where you can see your doctors?

Of course not, this company was never one of the better choices in NYC to begin with, but they have scraped up 3 even worse. These others never existed when I was shopping for insurance for us and checking small group rates for husband’s job.

Madisonian on October 1, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Gallup: 25% Of Americans Would Rather Pay ACA Fine Than Get Insurance

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 4:35 PM

I’ll bet a bunch can’t pay the fine since they are out of work and a bunch more have no clue whatsoever.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Need help finding details in the 2000 + page monstrosity.
Can anyone tell me where to find the reference that states that the IRS will be in charge of Obamacare?

Also, where the provision is that Congress and their minions must participate?

I’ve been discussing this law with a democrat friend and they don’t believe the IRS will be running the show. I read through the government website of the law, but I’m not too good at reading lawyerese and haven’t been able to find these provisions.

Ibanez Lotus on October 1, 2013 at 9:39 PM

They have had three and a half years to make this thing work and they still can’t do it. It is incompetence to the nth degree.

Let it burn.

Theophile on October 2, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Gallup: 25% Of Americans Would Rather Pay ACA Fine Than Get Insurance
 
Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 4:35 PM

 
Which was the whole point of the tax/individual mandate. The same exact folks will still go to our emergency rooms for splinters and prescription refills because they know they can’t be refused care, and the 1% penalty they’ll pay (assuming they are getting a tax refund to pay it) won’t help cover much, if any, of the services they’ll use.
 
Pre-Obamacare free-riders? Probably around 25%
 
Post-Obamacare free-riders? Probably around 25%.
 
People with pre-existing conditions that signed up under Obamacare? 107,000.
 
3/100ths of 1% of the population.
 
Thank goodness it didn’t cost the rest of us very much.

rogerb on October 2, 2013 at 6:37 AM

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