Shutdown

posted at 8:01 am on October 1, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Last night, the federal government shut down for the first time in over seventeen years. At the last moment, John Boehner pushed through a conference rule, but Harry Reid rejected it, demanding a six-week clean CR before agreeing to negotiate any further on the budget. Republicans seized on the rejection to declare that Reid chose to shut the government down, which is true in the short term, but ignores several attempts by Reid earlier in the year to get the House into an FY2014 budget conference only to be rejected by Boehner.  That’s the reason why Congress needs a CR at this point, as the budget ran out and neither chamber’s proposal for the FY2014 budget is acceptable to the other.

So we have a shutdown now, which seems to be the mark of seriousness of purpose in this fight.  As long as the shutdown is relatively short — say, wrapped up by the weekend — it won’t do much political damage to anyone.  After a week, though, it’s anyone’s guess as to how the backlash will work.  Democrats think this will be a replay of 1995-6, but that’s not a given, thanks to the unpopular ObamaCare program at the center of the fight.  As I note in my column today at The Week, the polling looks a lot different than in 1995-6, and the outcome isn’t exactly how it is remembered:

But not so fast, argues Harry Enten at the Guardian. Clinton’s landslide re-election in 1996 can easily be attributed to the economic recovery that was well underway, rather than the shutdown. Polling showed that Clinton and Congress both suffered slight drops in approval ratings during the shutdown itself, and Clinton’s resurgence in approval came later in 1996. Congressional approval also rebounded later, although not to the same extent. More to the point, Republicans went into the showdown already 19 points below Clinton on the budget issue, whereas President Obama only has a three-point edge over Republicans now. …

[After the 2012 election], polling on ObamaCare has declined considerably. A year ago, the New York Times/CBS News poll showed a 42/46 approval on ObamaCare. Last week’s poll showed it at 39/51. A new CNN poll that arguably showed Republicans more at risk in a shutdown also showed support for the ACA at 38/57, with majority opposition in almost every demographic in the survey. Obama’s own standing on health care has declined in the NYT/CBS survey to 40/54.

In the end last night, Republicans had trimmed down their amendments to the CR to just a delay on the individual mandate only (not the exchanges or subsidies that open today) and the removal of the Congressional exemption. They may or may not get one of those two after a few days of holding out, but the House Republicans know they can’t force an end to ObamaCare in this budget process now. In my column, I argue that this might be for the best, and that this might be a good time to let the voters feel the pain of the program they enabled in the 2012 election:

Indeed, if Republicans can’t stop ObamaCare now, they may be better off just getting out of the way of the nearly inevitable crash — a political crash, if not organizational.

A huge amount of political damage awaits the White House and Democrats running in midterm elections. Health-care prices are skyrocketing over 2013 premium rates, a fact that HHS tried to dodge by claiming that the exchange prices came in “lower than projected,” when in fact they had compared the prices to projections for 2016, not 2014. Former Romney adviser Avik Roy and the Manhattan Institute ran the actual numbers and found that prices rose across the board by more than a third, and by 97 percent for younger men (55 to 62 percent for younger women), and that subsidies won’t make up the difference for many if not most of them.

The White House then tried to argue that the monthly premium rate would be negligible under the exchanges no matter how much they’ve gone up. Obama himself said that the exchanges would allow consumers to buy “good health insurance for the price of your cellphone bill or less.” TheAssociated Press pointed out, though, that the “bronze” plans Obama referenced required a lot more out-of-pocket costs for consumers as well. “Those who choose bronze will have to pay 40 percent of their medical bills out of pocket through deductibles and copayments,” the AP wrote in its fact check. “A family’s share of medical costs could go as high as $12,700 a year, or $6,350 for individuals, on top of those cell-phone-like premiums.” The upcoming price bomb will hit in the three months of open registration for the January 1 mandate deadline, when all of these expectations of lower premiums and better coverage come crashing down on the 85 percent of Americans who had health insurance four years ago, when 87 percent of those liked their coverage just fine.

At this point, why should Republicans fight to delay that illusion-busting event for another year?

At some point, Boehner will have to cut a deal with Reid on both a CR and the FY2014 budget, and the government will reopen. Republicans now have Democrats on the record opposing even a minor delay in the trainwreck while exempting themselves from the system Democrats insist on imposing on everyone else.  The long-term solution to ObamaCare is political, not budgetary, and now the GOP has to start building its case for the midterms in order to take a critical first step toward that political solution.

Update: The more the public sees of these signs, the more damage will occur to one side, or more likely all sides:

I’d expect both sides to push these images in the hope of damaging the other, too.


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Time to let it burn?

We don’t need no water (NSFW)

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:03 AM

What a way to start the day! Wahooooo!

herm2416 on October 1, 2013 at 8:04 AM

Send a CR with no funding for Obamacare, EPA, and Dept of Education. The Republicans should act tougher

Oil Can on October 1, 2013 at 8:06 AM

The problem with trading space for time is the GOP has no space left to trade. If they surrender now, there is no 2014 mid-terms in their future.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:08 AM

……..while we were sleeping……

The greatest threat to individual liberty in the history of the Republic was launched.

It’s the morning of 9/11 all over again.

PappyD61 on October 1, 2013 at 8:08 AM

That’s the reason why Congress needs a CR at this point, as the budget ran out and neither chamber’s proposal for the FY2014 budget is acceptable to the other.

The budget ran out in 2007. CRs have run the government for over six years. Dingy Harry has never passed a budget.

That’s what the GOPe should be hammering over and over, if it had any balls or intent to win.

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Republicans seized on the rejection to declare that Reid chose to shut the government down, which is true in the short term, but ignores several attempts by Reid earlier in the year to get the House into an FY2014 budget conference only to be rejected by Boehner.

What difference, at this point, does it make?

Seriously, the government is disfunctional but the fact remains that the Dems decided to shut down the government. How do you resolve this when the lazy stupid President and the filthy Democrats refuse to even talk to the House?

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 8:11 AM

The problem with trading space for time is the GOP has no space left to trade. If they surrender now, there is no 2014 mid-terms in their future.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:08 AM

And we can thank McCant for that, with his inflammatory take-down of Cruz.

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Next I’ll find out I can’t check out a book at the Library of Congress – yawn.

Drained Brain on October 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM

It’s really happening! It’s really happening! /Snoopy dance

ElectricPhase on October 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Somehow the sun managed to rise this morning.

Mr. Bingley on October 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM

The government is shutdown this morning because Harry Reid refuses to negotiate with Republicans. He is am ‘Emperor’ in his mind who demands to get exactly what he wants and will make the nation suffer as long as it takes to get it, blaming the GOP the entire time. He knows he just has to wait the GOP out because he knows the GOP has a soft spot for the nation, that they will cave when people start suffering. The GOP’s concern for those they represent are their weakness. Obama claims it is the GOP who are engaging in blackmail, but it is Harry Reid who is saying ‘ Americans will suffer longer if you do not give in to me’.

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Let it burn

You wanted it you got it dems
Own it

cmsinaz on October 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM

OT:

Headline on Drudge: “Obamacrash”

People all over the nation can’t log on to the website. Live TV newscasters can’t log on.

It’s a clustertrainwreckcrashnado.

Grace_is_sufficient on October 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM

oh my! who will spy on me? who will waste my money? Who will maintain the contempt they have for me?

I am so concerned.

DanMan on October 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM

oh my! who will spy on me? who will waste my money? Who will maintain the contempt they have for me?

I am so concerned.

DanMan on October 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Do not worry; all of that is “mandatory” spending.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:16 AM

I get the eerie feeling that even with this “shutdown” the Federal Gov’t is still firing away on all cylinders…

Cynical as my tiny TEA Party brain may be, I can picture the DC machine ignoring the “shutdown”.

mjbrooks3 on October 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Eggleston for the win on the first post
:)

cmsinaz on October 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM

The greatest threat to individual liberty in the history of the Republic was launched.

It’s the morning of 9/11 all over again.

PappyD61 on October 1, 2013 at 8:08 AM

“Against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”

Always remember that and keep it in mind as things develop over the next couple of years. Pray that the majority of our men and women in uniform remember it also.

Oldnuke on October 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM

oh my! who will spy on me? who will waste my money? Who will maintain the contempt they have for me?

I am so concerned.

DanMan on October 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM

This keeps coming up. Hello! What do you think spouses are for?

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Will the roads be less congested?

Electrongod on October 1, 2013 at 8:18 AM

Dear Rest of America,

The sun rose today.

Sincerely,

East Coast Poster

blammm on October 1, 2013 at 8:18 AM

This keeps coming up. Hello! What do you think spouses are for?

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM

If Egg won the thread with the first comment, this has to be the silver-medal winner.

Ed Morrissey on October 1, 2013 at 8:19 AM

Eggleston for the win on the first post
:)

cmsinaz on October 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM

I’d like to thank Bishop for letting me be in position, Rock Master Scott and the Dynamic Three for cutting that song,….

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:19 AM

FYI,

The Pandacam is still up right now if you need a Panda fix.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 8:19 AM

This keeps coming up. Hello! What do you think spouses are for?

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM

If Egg won the thread with the first comment, this has to be the silver-medal winner.

Ed Morrissey on October 1, 2013 at 8:19 AM

Even if I weren’t ineligible for the Comment of the Day™ award (after all, I am judge, jury and executioner of that), Happy Nomad wins it.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:20 AM

No one ever remembers members of Congress when there is a government shutdown, but everyone remembers who was President when the shut down happened…

Just adds the list of how Obama is a terrible leader and over his head as President…

albill on October 1, 2013 at 8:20 AM

We don’t need no water (NSFW)

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:03 AM

I didn’t even click the link to have a listen, but now that song is going through my head.

Gingotts on October 1, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Dear Rest of America,

The sun rose today.

Sincerely,

East Coast Poster

blammm on October 1, 2013 at 8:18 AM

And it was a beautiful sunrise.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:21 AM

In the end last night, Republicans had trimmed down their amendments to the CR to just a delay on the individual mandate only (not the exchanges or subsidies that open today) and the removal of the Congressional exemption.

These seem entirely reasonable. If the GOP gives up one, I say give up on the individual mandate. Let voters live with the consequences of Dems and reelecting Obama.

BuckeyeSam on October 1, 2013 at 8:22 AM

When you analyze what is happpening you get down to the msm/DBM carrying tainted water for the dems 24/7.Without the press on their side obamacare, the dems platform of socialism, big govt.all the time,the US as a third world country and falling fast, never flys.
So the problem for the dems is how to get them on your side and keep them there.
Besides the obvious blackmail techniques,nsa the rest, they devised a candidate, now potus, so enticing to the media that they would never turn on him.
They picked a gay,black,muslim who hated white people and loved communism.
To further make sure the press never strayed in secret meetings this potus acutualy let the press make some of the decisions. It worked, has worked and will alwsy work. Meanwhile, the country goes to hell and the pubbies keep wondering what is going on. Not that hard to figure out.

rodguy911 on October 1, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Will the roads be less congested?

Electrongod on October 1, 2013 at 8:18 AM

Where we’re going, we don’t need roads.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:23 AM

In the end last night, Republicans had trimmed down their amendments to the CR to just a delay on the individual mandate only (not the exchanges or subsidies that open today) and the removal of the Congressional exemption.

I’m not surely what the point is, then. A delay in the mandate? What good does that do us? Either go for defunding / delay, or just forget it. Or maybe I’m wrong. Is there something I’m not seeing?

anotherJoe on October 1, 2013 at 8:23 AM

This is gonna take a while. Government is so big that it’ll take a long time to grind to a halt. Have to overcome inertia and there’s a lot of dead mass pushing that.

Oldnuke on October 1, 2013 at 8:24 AM

Indeed, if Republicans can’t stop ObamaCare now, they may be better off just getting out of the way of the nearly inevitable crash — a political crash, if not organizational.

That’s been my thought as well…the GOP should just let ObamaCare go forth and t the Dems’ hands get the dirt. But then, after this disaster starts to crumble, people will want to know why…if the GOPers knew it was horrible…they didn’t try to stop it. No matter what, it’s a lose-lose.

Does anyone know if the USPS delivery will be affected by this as well?

JetBoy on October 1, 2013 at 8:25 AM

What’s not to love about a day where I won’t be spied upon…liberty prevails!

hillsoftx on October 1, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Will the roads be less congested?

Electrongod on October 1, 2013 at 8:18 AM

Where we’re going, we don’t need roads.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Yep, roads are gonna be dangerous. Best to stick to back trails..and don’t bunch up.

Oldnuke on October 1, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Send a CR with no funding for Obamacare, EPA, and Dept of Education. The Republicans should act tougher

Oil Can on October 1, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Yes, this is a sound tactic and a classic one. Start taking things out that were funded before, one at a time and tell the overlords the next iteration will defund the IRS and then the FBI and then the NSA.

Maybe we should START with the NSA.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 8:26 AM

There’s one good thing about the government shutdown: it makes it easy to classify commenters as low-information, partisan, or educated. If you’re screaming, “THROW THEM ALL OUT OF OFFICE!”, then you’re a low-information voter.

Darin on October 1, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Maybe we should START with the NSA.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Don’t forget the BATF and DEA. We have way too many federal police organizations.

Oldnuke on October 1, 2013 at 8:28 AM

JetBoy on October 1, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Heard that it’s gonna run as usual.

pambi on October 1, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Democrats think this will be a replay of 1995-6, but that’s not a given

You really need to stop perpetuating myths about that shutdown.

Republicans made gains in the senate and only lost seats in the House they were expected to. There were also some substantial legislative concessions that Republicans gained from Clinton and the Democrats. Read the details- not the cover story.

With respect to this shutdown, Democrats are basing their hopes on those same myths. They are also counting on a complicit media to disreputably cover their asses and shout Republican! and Anarchists! every time Democrats don’t get 100% of what they want.

But two factors will play against them. First, this government under Obama and Reid has done nothing to help people since Obama was elected. His sinking approval rating will only be hurt further by his continued lack of leadership. Shut down the government? Yeah, who cares- what is it doing anyway? You think people will be that pissed they can’t go to a park? Really?

Second- Obamacare is a disaster and everybody knows it. It’s killing jobs, peoples pocketbooks and destroying the quality of our health care system. If Democrats want that to be their hill to die on- I say, let them.

Marcus Traianus on October 1, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Didn’t Manchin say he would consider the individual mandate delay and Vitter amendment…in the interest of fairness?

At this point, call out 5 Senate dems who have expressed concern about these exemptions for big business and Congress.

No special treatment for big business and Congress is a winning argument.

monalisa on October 1, 2013 at 8:29 AM

I’m not surely what the point is, then. A delay in the mandate? What good does that do us? Either go for defunding / delay, or just forget it. Or maybe I’m wrong. Is there something I’m not seeing?

anotherJoe on October 1, 2013 at 8:23 AM

The employer mandate has already been delayed. Proponents of ObamaCare need individuals to get signed up for this monster, particularly younger Americans, as they’re going to be the bread and butter payers. Delaying the individual mandate would effectively slow ObamaCare down to a slow craw…they can’t have that. At least that’s how I understand this thing.

JetBoy on October 1, 2013 at 8:30 AM

“THROW THEM ALL OUT OF OFFICE!”, then you’re a low-information voter.

Darin on October 1, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Ok how about “Throw most of them out of office!” Would that be all right?

Oldnuke on October 1, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Shutdown

Well, things here in PA are in a state of TUMULT!!!!

But at leaast the Amish are still working!!!!!

and Baking…..and….and…..well, o.k., they are
STILL making Sh*tty reality shows!!!

Oh, the Agony!!!!!!!!!!!!

ToddPA on October 1, 2013 at 8:30 AM

JetBoy on October 1, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Heard that it’s gonna run as usual.

pambi on October 1, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Cheers, thanks.

JetBoy on October 1, 2013 at 8:31 AM

Kinda apprehensive about going outside — will the roads still be there????? Will the sun still rise on the west coast without DC???

Jeddite on October 1, 2013 at 8:31 AM

Good job GOP. This is sure to end well for you.

/s

MJBrutus on October 1, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Mooch had to furlough 20 of her personal assistants, the other 35 are staying on as volunteers.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Fun on FB today.
A remote family member starts off with “Looks like I’ll be working without pay today”
(I can’t find out what her job actually is, as of yet)
A coupla folks bemoaned along with her .. can you take sick pay, whatever, blah blah.
EVENTUALLY, she had to admit “well, actually, I’m getting paid, but I’m worried how long this will last”

God help us.

pambi on October 1, 2013 at 8:35 AM

The 1996 shutdown was great for Republicans!

Republicans won the WH and won reelection.
Republicans won the House through 2007.
Republicans won the Senate through 2007. (Jeffords was elected as an R but switched to I to caucus with D 2001-3 but D immediately lost again after that.)

Shut it down and keep it down!

crash72 on October 1, 2013 at 8:35 AM

The employer mandate has already been delayed. Proponents of ObamaCare need individuals to get signed up for this monster, particularly younger Americans, as they’re going to be the bread and butter payers. Delaying the individual mandate would effectively slow ObamaCare down to a slow craw…they can’t have that. At least that’s how I understand this thing.

JetBoy on October 1, 2013 at 8:30 AM

A couple more items:

- A Congressinally-mandated employee mandate delay would make Congress relevant again. Teh SCOAMT and Dingy Harry can’t let that happen.

- An administrative employer mandate delay is much easier to get overturned by a Lawgiver-In-Black than a Congressionally-mandated delay, so there won’t even be a codification of that in the end.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:35 AM

These seem entirely reasonable. If the GOP gives up one, I say give up on the individual mandate. Let voters live with the consequences of Dems and reelecting Obama.

BuckeyeSam on October 1, 2013 at 8:22 AM

If they give it up, then it will never ever go away. Look at freaking Not-So-Great Britain and their health death care system.

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Is there really a lot of people clamoring to see the Statue of Liberty on Wednesday in October? I don’t think shutting down the White House tours did anything for The Won on the sequester. Anyway, they got the Democrats on the records for the issues I think are important and if it isn’t going to save any money, they might as well open it back up to the crooks and pillagers.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Will all the GOP Party apparatchiks make it through the day? Let’s hope not.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Lol….yes HN for the silver

cmsinaz on October 1, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Twitchy – Surprise! Obamacare health insurance exchange websites don’t work; HealthCare.gov a total mess

https://www.healthcare.gov/marketplace/global/en_US/registration#signUpStepOne

I expect some people will visit that link just so their bandwidth remains maxed out. That would be so childish, heh.

mudskipper on October 1, 2013 at 8:37 AM

MJBrutus on October 1, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Oh look, the president of the Optimist Club has joined us.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 8:36 AM

The actual impact on most people will be nonexistent to minimal. That doesn’t matter. The LSM will have no end of tear-jerking stories of Mrs. Lewis’s grade school class who had their trip to the Lady Liberty cancelled and on and on. It won’t be pretty and it won’t be good for the party of stupid.

MJBrutus on October 1, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Funny that. We post replies at the same time and I comment on the substance of your post and you comment on me.

MJBrutus on October 1, 2013 at 8:39 AM

The horror at Healthcare.gov!!!!!!

The System is down at the moment.
We’re working to resolve the issue as soon as possible. Please try again later.

VibrioCocci on October 1, 2013 at 8:39 AM

MJBrutus on October 1, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Didn’t seem to hurt the one when he kicked out the kids and welcomed Hollywood. The thing just opened up from Sandy, sh!t happens.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Moaning Joe is interviewing Jay Carney. (I’m muting it, of course.)

Carney looks like death warmed over.

BuckeyeSam on October 1, 2013 at 8:40 AM

So how much did it cost to crank out the shut-down-the-Statue-of-Liberty/Ellis-Island sign and the myriad others like them? Who then was pushing for a shutdown?

onlineanalyst on October 1, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Say, will a shutdown cause Obamaphone-scam recipients to lose service?

BuckeyeSam on October 1, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Don’t forget the BATF and DEA. We have way too many federal police organizations.

Oldnuke on October 1, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Yes we do.

Some market analysts are looking at the shutdown as a buying opportunity. See ZeroHedge for details.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Moaning Joe is interviewing Jay Carney. (I’m muting it, of course.)

Carney looks like death warmed over.

BuckeyeSam on October 1, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Which must mean he’s freshened up ;-)

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Yes we do.

Some market analysts are looking at the shutdown as a buying opportunity. See ZeroHedge for details.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 8:42 AM

I wouldn’t touch this market with a ten-yard pole.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Say, will a shutdown cause Obamaphone-scam recipients to lose service?

BuckeyeSam on October 1, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Nope – that’s “mandatory” spending.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:44 AM

The 1996 shutdown was great for Republicans!

Republicans won the WH and won reelection.
Republicans won the House through 2007.
Republicans won the Senate through 2007. (Jeffords was elected as an R but switched to I to caucus with D 2001-3 but D immediately lost again after that.)

Shut it down and keep it down!

crash72 on October 1, 2013 at 8:35 AM

To a point.

The GOPe retained both houses in 1996 (and even gained a few seats in the process). Yes, President Clinton was reelected, but he caved on welfare reform and even declared that “the era of big government is over.” Not that he was a conservative, but he knew what it takes in order to win. He was a political animal with minimal outward convictions.

Ironically, the GOPe became less and less conservative after George W. Bush became President, and the Democrats started their outward decent into Socialist madness (they were always there, but never made it public) in their irrational hatred of Bush. By 2005, the GOPe lost its way, and has not even come close to finding it since, (in spite of an electoral-driven revolt in 2010) that they really can’t understand the lessons learned from the 1996 shutdown.

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Somehow the sun managed to rise this morning.

Mr. Bingley on October 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM

The Midwest is still dark. Aw, nuts. Does that mean DC thinks we are nonessential?

Fallon on October 1, 2013 at 8:45 AM

So how much did it cost to crank out the shut-down-the-Statue-of-Liberty/Ellis-Island sign and the myriad others like them? Who then was pushing for a shutdown?

onlineanalyst on October 1, 2013 at 8:41 AM

That specific one was from a private enterprise running the ferries over to Ellis Island. As for the others, I’m sure they’ve been reprinted since the last government shutdown.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Carney looks like death warmed over.

BuckeyeSam on October 1, 2013 at 8:40 AM

After a few days, he will look really haggard. The dems shouldn’t listen to Zero the master tactician.

Putin own him.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 8:45 AM

own should read “owned.”

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 8:46 AM

The Midwest is still dark. Aw, nuts. Does that mean DC thinks we are nonessential?

Fallon on October 1, 2013 at 8:45 AM

We’re not called “flyover country” for nothing (well, to be technical, we are called that for nothing, but you get the drift).

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 8:46 AM

MJBrutus on October 1, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Wow, victim mode this early in the morning? Bummer. I thought it was kind of funny. I’m going with the Democrat apology, sorry if it offended you.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Carney always looks like death warmed over.

BuckeyeSam on October 1, 2013 at 8:40 AM

herm2416 on October 1, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Second- Obamacare is a disaster and everybody knows it.

Marcus Traianus on October 1, 2013 at 8:29 AM

JetBoy on October 1, 2013 at 8:30 AM

It seems that regardless of whether we think getting rid of individual mandate is a really good thing to shoot for, and I think that this year the fees are only $95 for not getting insurance so getting rid of the mandate wouldn’t have a huge practical effect possibly.

Anyway, my main point was to be that we caved so early, even before the shutdown. We went from defund to de-mandate, and now where are we??? We could have had the shutdown for a few weeks, where defund was the good objective, and then conceivably come down to soemthing elsee in a compromise. But now what do we come down to at the bargaining table?

Wait, I’m still shaking my head in disbelief. Because I didn’t really get all the news in a thorough way. We did take defund off the table, right?

anotherJoe on October 1, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Good job GOP. This is sure to end well for you.

/s

MJBrutus on October 1, 2013 at 8:32 AM

One COULD say the same about all your posts on this website…

ToddPA on October 1, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Among the big differences this time around, compared to say the Gingrich era, is that the GOP just stumbled in to this mess. They didn’t prep the battle field with ads talking about the horrors and injustice of Obamacare over the preceding months. They didn’t have any plan at all. They had Ted Cruz drag the whole ship down in to a futile and entirely symbolic fight that they cannot win. All aboard as the ship of fools leaves the dock on the Cruz cruise to nowhere.

MJBrutus on October 1, 2013 at 8:49 AM

The sound of liberals crying over their beloved government being shut down brings joy to my ears.Let it fu**ing burn!!!

jeffinsjvca on October 1, 2013 at 8:50 AM

ToddPA on October 1, 2013 at 8:48 AM

One could. In fact, one could talk about me all day long if it floats their boat. And it seems to do just that for a great many at H/A.

MJBrutus on October 1, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Eggleston on a roll :)

cmsinaz on October 1, 2013 at 8:53 AM

I wonder what the reaction will be when, after a few days of the government being shut down, that most people realize that they’re really not affected at all by it?

The way the Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) are framing this issue is that all h*ll will break loss, little children will go hungry, old ladies won’t be able to cross the street and cats and dogs will be living together.

I hope that a couple more people will realize the ridiculous hyperbole of the Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) and start to re-think their own allegiances and beliefs.

Religious_Zealot on October 1, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Last night, the federal government shut down for the first time in over seventeen years since Sunday.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 1, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Appreciate the apology, but no need and no offense taken. Just pointing out the fact.

MJBrutus on October 1, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Was just working on signing up for my free healthcarez. Got to step 3 which involves picking security questions from dropdown boxes. The dropdowns are empty, so I can’t continue.

Government quality on parade.

ElectricPhase on October 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Eggleston on a roll :)

cmsinaz on October 1, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Mmmm…egg sammich on a roll…

JetBoy on October 1, 2013 at 8:59 AM

It will be a disaster if there’s a temporary stoppage of the circuses. The bread is still going out though.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Among the big differences this time around, compared to say the Gingrich era, is that the GOP just stumbled in to this mess. They didn’t prep the battle field with ads talking about the horrors and injustice of Obamacare over the preceding months. They didn’t have any plan at all. They had Ted Cruz drag the whole ship down in to a futile and entirely symbolic fight that they cannot win. All aboard as the ship of fools leaves the dock on the Cruz cruise to nowhere.

MJBrutus on October 1, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Hmmmm. You correctly identify the problem, but how do you get to blaming Ted Cruz? The damned GOP hasn’t been doing it’s job. Cruz showed them up. I see only good.

ElectricPhase on October 1, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Some guy at work was worried about kids not getting to take their trip to the Smithsonian museum this week. I thought, Dude, why aren’t you upset about the debt we’re leaving to your kids? Why aren’t you upset that your kids are going to spend their lives being pushed around by politians and bureaucrats?

LilyBart on October 1, 2013 at 9:02 AM

ElectricPhase on October 1, 2013 at 9:01 AM

You make a good point. Cruz was a catalyst but the entire party is to blame for having no plan and no clue.

MJBrutus on October 1, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Now I’m hungry jet boy :)

cmsinaz on October 1, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Time to let it burn?

Yes.

tyketto on October 1, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Y2K!!!

Sequester!!!!!

Government Shutdown!!!!!!!

YEERRRRGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean…yawn…..

crash72 on October 1, 2013 at 9:05 AM

ElectricPhase on October 1, 2013 at 9:01 AM

You make a good point. Cruz was a catalyst but the entire party is to blame for having no plan and no clue.

MJBrutus on October 1, 2013 at 9:02 AM

The GOPe’s only plan that I saw consisted of doing nothing but bash Cruz.

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Mmmm…egg sammich on a roll…

JetBoy on October 1, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Kaiser, please.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 9:06 AM

They should propose funding on a priority basis.

Start with defense/military.

TerryW on October 1, 2013 at 9:07 AM

…so now what?

KOOLAID2 on October 1, 2013 at 9:08 AM

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