Shutdown

posted at 8:01 am on October 1, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Last night, the federal government shut down for the first time in over seventeen years. At the last moment, John Boehner pushed through a conference rule, but Harry Reid rejected it, demanding a six-week clean CR before agreeing to negotiate any further on the budget. Republicans seized on the rejection to declare that Reid chose to shut the government down, which is true in the short term, but ignores several attempts by Reid earlier in the year to get the House into an FY2014 budget conference only to be rejected by Boehner.  That’s the reason why Congress needs a CR at this point, as the budget ran out and neither chamber’s proposal for the FY2014 budget is acceptable to the other.

So we have a shutdown now, which seems to be the mark of seriousness of purpose in this fight.  As long as the shutdown is relatively short — say, wrapped up by the weekend — it won’t do much political damage to anyone.  After a week, though, it’s anyone’s guess as to how the backlash will work.  Democrats think this will be a replay of 1995-6, but that’s not a given, thanks to the unpopular ObamaCare program at the center of the fight.  As I note in my column today at The Week, the polling looks a lot different than in 1995-6, and the outcome isn’t exactly how it is remembered:

But not so fast, argues Harry Enten at the Guardian. Clinton’s landslide re-election in 1996 can easily be attributed to the economic recovery that was well underway, rather than the shutdown. Polling showed that Clinton and Congress both suffered slight drops in approval ratings during the shutdown itself, and Clinton’s resurgence in approval came later in 1996. Congressional approval also rebounded later, although not to the same extent. More to the point, Republicans went into the showdown already 19 points below Clinton on the budget issue, whereas President Obama only has a three-point edge over Republicans now. …

[After the 2012 election], polling on ObamaCare has declined considerably. A year ago, the New York Times/CBS News poll showed a 42/46 approval on ObamaCare. Last week’s poll showed it at 39/51. A new CNN poll that arguably showed Republicans more at risk in a shutdown also showed support for the ACA at 38/57, with majority opposition in almost every demographic in the survey. Obama’s own standing on health care has declined in the NYT/CBS survey to 40/54.

In the end last night, Republicans had trimmed down their amendments to the CR to just a delay on the individual mandate only (not the exchanges or subsidies that open today) and the removal of the Congressional exemption. They may or may not get one of those two after a few days of holding out, but the House Republicans know they can’t force an end to ObamaCare in this budget process now. In my column, I argue that this might be for the best, and that this might be a good time to let the voters feel the pain of the program they enabled in the 2012 election:

Indeed, if Republicans can’t stop ObamaCare now, they may be better off just getting out of the way of the nearly inevitable crash — a political crash, if not organizational.

A huge amount of political damage awaits the White House and Democrats running in midterm elections. Health-care prices are skyrocketing over 2013 premium rates, a fact that HHS tried to dodge by claiming that the exchange prices came in “lower than projected,” when in fact they had compared the prices to projections for 2016, not 2014. Former Romney adviser Avik Roy and the Manhattan Institute ran the actual numbers and found that prices rose across the board by more than a third, and by 97 percent for younger men (55 to 62 percent for younger women), and that subsidies won’t make up the difference for many if not most of them.

The White House then tried to argue that the monthly premium rate would be negligible under the exchanges no matter how much they’ve gone up. Obama himself said that the exchanges would allow consumers to buy “good health insurance for the price of your cellphone bill or less.” TheAssociated Press pointed out, though, that the “bronze” plans Obama referenced required a lot more out-of-pocket costs for consumers as well. “Those who choose bronze will have to pay 40 percent of their medical bills out of pocket through deductibles and copayments,” the AP wrote in its fact check. “A family’s share of medical costs could go as high as $12,700 a year, or $6,350 for individuals, on top of those cell-phone-like premiums.” The upcoming price bomb will hit in the three months of open registration for the January 1 mandate deadline, when all of these expectations of lower premiums and better coverage come crashing down on the 85 percent of Americans who had health insurance four years ago, when 87 percent of those liked their coverage just fine.

At this point, why should Republicans fight to delay that illusion-busting event for another year?

At some point, Boehner will have to cut a deal with Reid on both a CR and the FY2014 budget, and the government will reopen. Republicans now have Democrats on the record opposing even a minor delay in the trainwreck while exempting themselves from the system Democrats insist on imposing on everyone else.  The long-term solution to ObamaCare is political, not budgetary, and now the GOP has to start building its case for the midterms in order to take a critical first step toward that political solution.

Update: The more the public sees of these signs, the more damage will occur to one side, or more likely all sides:

I’d expect both sides to push these images in the hope of damaging the other, too.


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Harry Reid is lying his @$$ off on the Senate Floor.

Several days ago he declared that a shutdown benefits the Liberals because the American people will blame it on the GOP no matter what. He has declared he will not negotiate, will NOT agreet to meet & discuss with leaders in the House, Senate, & the President to work out a compromise. He even reportedly told Obama that if Obama schedules such a meeting he would not attend. Reid called Republicans, for not agreeing to whatever Liberals want, ‘Radicals’.

The President also said this morning, “I will not negotiate with Republicans.” He went on to say if ‘we’ allow 1 house of government hold up legislation and shut down government it amounts to setting a precence of ‘negotiating with terrorists & ‘that we will not do’.

Once again the self-professed Constitutional Scholar proves he does not understand, comprehend, or have any clue about the Constitution &/or our Founding Fathers. The government was built on the principle of the different houses being able to prevent a majority (in this case the DNC-controlled Senate and the President) from ramming whatever they want into law! The government is working just as it was designed to!

As far as his remarks about ‘negotiating with terrorists’, Obama has shown that – based on his own past actions – IF the GIOP were actually terrorists Obama would not only be negotiating with them but would also be using our military to support them, running guns to them, & embracing them as ‘brothers’.

What is REALLY going on is a ‘Socialist Shakedown’ of the United States/American people. Reid and Obama are the ones that LOVE the shutdown because they believe the American people are SO STUPID they will blame the GOP for it all. They also see this shutdown as the only was to keep the GOP from re-taking the Senate. The longer it goes on, the angrier they will make sure Americans are, thus more likely NOT to vote for the GOP.

The Shutdown is an orchestrated ploy by Reid and Obama. ‘F@ck the American people’ – this all about what is good for the Democratic party, about saving Obama’s business/job-killing UnConstitutional Obamacare, & a key part of Obama’s 2008 promise to fundamentally change the United States.

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 11:14 AM

I’m fine with it all, though.

Dingy Harry lying is news? Him telling the truth, which has never happened in his entire lifetime, would be earth-shattering news.

And if the GOPe caves on this, then they can kiss their chances at electoral victory in 2014 goodbye, or for any point thereafter. This is their Waterloo, but yet they are too stupid to see this.

Let.It.Burn.

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Shutdown?
What shutdown?
yawn…

crash72 on October 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM

House GOP:
“Here is a bill we passed that funds EVERY ASPECT of the Government except for Obamacare.”

Harry Reid:
“No. We will shut down the government if we do not get 100% of Obamacare as-is.”

—–

House GOP:
“Here is a bill we passed that pays for EVERY ASPECT of the Govt … except we are asking for the repeal of the Medical Device Tax (Since Obama promised no new taxes in it, since it is forcing jobs overseas, and because it is a financial burden on Americans) & we want a 1 year delay for participating in Obamacare for every American citizen – just like the ones Obama gave big businesses and ‘pals’ (Especially since he has no constitutional authority to modify a law after it has passed).

Harry Reid:
“No. You WILL pass a clean CR bill that fully funds Obamacare and makes no changes to it. If any changes are to be made, President Obama will make them as he sees fit. We did change the original CR, though, to include the wording that WE (Congress) DO get the deal Obama offered us, which is that the American people we refuse to be treated equally must pay up to 70% of OUR premiums.”

—–

House GOP:
“We request, according to the Constitution and standard procedure, to meet in Conference to negotiate our differences and come up with an agreeable CR. We request Boehner, Pelosi, Reid, and McConnell…and President Obama if he will attend.”

Harry Reid:
No. We will not meet with the GOP and their radical TEA Party. We do not negotiate with ‘terrorists’, ‘arsonists’, and ‘blackmailers’. You will concede to our demands or the shutdown will continue, Americans will continue to suffer, and we will continue to blame you, the GOP, for the pain Americans feel, using the majority of the media we control to do so.”

President Obama:
“We do not meet with Terrorists and people who think just because they control 1 house of government they can force their demands on the others and can shutdown the government until they get what they want.”

Speaker of the House Boehner:
“Isn’t that what YOU and REID are doing now? And didn’t you not only negotiate with ‘terrorists’ but also helpeed Al Qaeda take over Libya, helped The Muslim Brotherhood take over Egypt, and facilitated the murders of Ambassador Stevens & 3 ther Americans while you were running guns to Al Qaeda in Syria?”

President Obama:
NO, that is NOT what we are doing…and stop changing the Subject.”

Speaker of the House Boehner:
“So you will sit down with the President of Iran, who wants to nuke us…even allow Muslim Brotherhood members on the ‘No Fly’ List attend your Staff meetings … but you won’t meet with the GOP to end the shutdown?!”

President Obama:
The shutdown is good for the Democratic party and for ‘fundamentally changing the United States’.

Russian President Putin:
Once again President Obama has proven he is not capable of successfully negotiating an end to a crisis, so please allow me to step in and resolve this issue as well…

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 11:40 AM

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 10:28 AM

This will fix the “Part Time Obama Economy”. After the deal is done, there won’t even be part time work for Americans.

oldroy on October 1, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Exactly and especially since the Illegals will be exempt from what American Citizens have to comply with. I’ve read enough of that
“Immigration” bill the Senate passed to know that.

Those 14-15 Senators that always vote with Reid & the Dems need thrown out ASAP.

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Question: If a tree falls in the forest; and ABC, CBS, NBC, WaPo, NYT, LAT, MSNBC, CNN, and USA Today don’t report it, does it make a sound?

jaydee_007 on October 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM

What did Fox News say?

AesopFan on October 1, 2013 at 11:44 AM


Speaker of the House Boehner:
“So you will sit down with the President of Iran, who wants to nuke us…even allow Muslim Brotherhood members on the ‘No Fly’ List attend your Staff meetings … but you won’t meet with the GOP to end the shutdown?!”

President Obama:
The shutdown is good for the Democratic party and for ‘fundamentally changing the United States’.

Russian President Putin:
Once again President Obama has proven he is not capable of successfully negotiating an end to a crisis, so please allow me to step in and resolve this issue as well…

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Brilliant.

AesopFan on October 1, 2013 at 11:46 AM

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 11:40 AM

OT:

I replied to you and requested a clarification on

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/28/house-to-attach-1-year-obamacare-delay-to-cr/comment-page-4/#comments

Would you mind checking that?

Thanks

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2018

When you look at which political party has controlled a majority (2+ out of 3) of the 3 budget-making and appropriations bodies (the House, the Senate, and the Presidency), you see that in the last 20 years the balance of power has only shifted twice…

The balance of power shifted from Democrat to Republican in the November 1994 elections, and from Republican to Democrat in the November 2006 elections.

The Republican House and Senate majorities elected in November 1994 took office in January 1995 and inherited the FY 1995 budget from the outgoing Democrat majority. The FY 1995 End of Fiscal Year Gross Federal Debt, expressed as a percentage of GDP, was 67.0% of GDP. We, as a nation, owed slightly more than 2/3 of our total GDP in national debt.

Twelve years later, when the balance of power shifted back to Democrats, Republican majorities had reduced the Gross Federal Debt to 64.6% of GDP at end of Fiscal Year 2007. Still not great, but an improvement.

Now, after six years of Democrats holding majority control of budgeting and spending, the Gross Federal Debt is estimated by the White House OMB at 106.5% of GDP… the highest it has been outside of the WWII-affected fiscal years of 1945-47.

Let that sink in…

Over the course of 12 Fiscal Years, FY 1996-2007, Republican majorities reduced the Gross Federal Debt from 67.0% of GDP to 64.6% of GDP.

Over the course of just 6 Fiscal Years, FY 2008-2013, Democrat majorities reduced the Gross Federal Debt from 64.6% of GDP to 106.5% of GDP.

As a % of GDP, only World War II created more debt than the Democrat majorities have created in the last 6 years. All after promising fiscal discipline and “no more deficit spending”…

2006:

Over the past decade, the Republican controlled Congress took our nation in the wrong direction. Too many Americans are paying a heavy price for those wrong choices: record costs for energy, health care and education; jobs shipped overseas; and budgets that heap record debt on our children. For millions, the middle-class dream has been replaced by a middle-class squeeze…

Democrats are proposing a New Direction for America…

With integrity, civility and fiscal discipline, our New Direction for America will use commonsense principles to address the aspirations and fulfill the hopes and dreams of all Americans. That is our promise to the American people….

Our federal budget should be a statement of our national values. One of those values is responsibility. Democrats are committed to ending years of irresponsible budget policies that have produced historic deficits. Instead of piling trillions of dollars of debt onto our children and grandchildren, we will restore “Pay As You Go” budget discipline.

Budget discipline has been abandoned by the Bush Administration and its Republican congressional majorities. Congress under Republican control has turned a projected $5.6 trillion 10-year surplus at the end of the Clinton years into a nearly $3 trillion deficit– including the four worst deficits in the history of America. The nation’s debt ceiling has been raised four times in just five years to more than $8.9 trillion. Nearly half of our nation’s record debt is owned by foreign countries including China and Japan. Without a return to fiscal discipline, the foreign countries that make our computers, our clothing and our toys will soon be making our foreign policy. Deficit spending is not just a fiscal problem – it’s a national security issue as well.

Our New Direction is committed to “Pay As You Go” budgeting – no more deficit spending.

2007:

After years of historic deficits, this 110th Congress will commit itself to a higher standard: pay-as-you-go, no new deficit spending. Our new America will provide unlimited opportunity for future generations, not burden them with mountains of debt.

- New Speaker Nancy Pelosi, 01/04/2007

Who wouldn’t want to go back to the FY 2007 deficit of less than $161 Billion, and gross federal debt of $8.95 Trillion (64.6% of GDP)?

Now, under Democrat majorities for the last 6 years, we have had the 6 largest deficits in the history of this nation, the annual deficit is estimated to be about a Trillion dollars, and the gross federal debt is estimated to be $17.25 Trillion (106.5% of GDP).

We are already more than half a trillion above the statutory debt limit (by using “extraordinary measures” for over 5 months) so there is no reason to wait a few weeks to wrap the debt limit debate into the current FY 2014 funding debate.

Put all of it on the table now. Show how much the Democrats lied and had no intention at all of keeping their campaign promises of “fiscal discipline” and “no more deficit spending”.

ITguy on October 1, 2013 at 11:49 AM

This is their Waterloo, but yet they are too stupid to see this.

Let.It.Burn.

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

—————————————————-

True, the GOP has a long distinguished history of ‘caving’ on every issue…because they are ‘petrified with fear’ that they will lose their jobs because they will be blamed by the shutdown.

Unfortunately they … and Reid & Obama … are sadly right about 1 major thing: The Majority of Americans are STUPID. They are like mooing cattle or grazing sheep. They absorb what the major Al Jazeera-CNN/MSNBC/etc news media feeds them and are too fat, lazy, self-centered, and ignorant to find out for themselves what is going on.

The same STUPID people who thought Obama was going to give them a new kitchen, buy their gas, etc the 1st term only to be disappointed voted for him again believing, “Yeah, but THIS TIME…”.

The Unions were $crewed because they thought Obama was in their corner…and had to learn the hard way Obama is in the corner of Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama Sr, & Barack Obama Jr – HIS OWN corner.

Blacks just KNEW he would help them.
– He has passed no legislation, has done nothing to help them. Unemployment for blacks remains approx 14%.

Unions just KNEW Obama would stand with them.
– He just torpedoed the Unions with an Obamacare law that sinks Union ‘catalac plans / special deals’, destroys the 40-hr work week, causes Americans to lose their jobs & insurance.

Harry Reid is like some brainwashed Hitler General pushing Obama’s agenda, believing he has made himself indespensible to Obama but has no idea that Obama was knife his weasly white @$$ in the back and leave him by the roadside as soon as he is no longer useful…so Reid helps destroy his own nation & spits on the Americans to whom HIS shutdown is causing pain.

And we’re back to the Americans getting sh@t on by Reid, Obama, & Liberals who are being spoonfed BS, who do not realize this is a ‘waterloo’, and who will blame the GOP….who WILL fold in the end.

‘Let it burn’? The only way it will all ‘reset’….which the GOP do not have the courage to allow to happen.

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 11:57 AM

In answer to bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 11:47 AM
It was reported in the news that Cruz actually voted FOR cloture. From all I have read that appears to be the case. I am still hoping the Liberal media is just mis-reporting it…but it doesn’t look like it.

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Best related comment yet on Twitter:

@ChuckNellis 15h

With all of those people missing from the White House, Obama will have to kiss his own ass…. #governmentshutdown

I had to RT and reply, even though not nearly as good as Chuck’s shot:

@novaculus 32m

@ChuckNellis @JammieWF He won’t have to move his head very far for that. I bet he’ll have to fetch Michelle’s & Valerie’s lattés too.

novaculus on October 1, 2013 at 12:01 PM

In answer to bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 11:47 AM
It was reported in the news that Cruz actually voted FOR cloture. From all I have read that appears to be the case. I am still hoping the Liberal media is just mis-reporting it…but it doesn’t look like it.

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Thank you for responding. As usual the Media lies. The only Cloture vote that Cruz voted for was to bring the bill to the floor. That vote was 100% yes. There was no way to vote on the bill without bringing it to the floor.

There were 5 Roll Call votes that day and all others Cruz voted NO.

You can check all Roll Call Votes here. A brief explanation is included for each vote.http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_113_1.htm

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Our Government acts like kids.

It’s quite sad actually.

Can you imagine any of us doing this at our jobs?

This is why we need a 3rd valid national party.

Smh..

Politricks on October 1, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Aww. The concern troll wants a third party, from the political right of course.

slickwillie2001 on October 1, 2013 at 12:19 PM

ITguy on October 1, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Pelosi BRAGGED in a Time Magazine article after the Democrats took over the House and Senate at how Liberals had so thoroughly engaged in Obstructionist Government as to bring the government of the United States to a virutal stand-still…to the point where Americans became so frustrated they were willing to vote FOR a bumper sticker slogan – “Change’ – without ANY definition of what that ‘change’ was.

The last time a budget was passed was just before Harry Reid took over as leader of the Senate. Once Reid took over in the senate Americans never saw an actuall BUDGET, required to be passed annually by law, passed again…to date. Even with a ‘Super Majority’ control of government Reid and Pelosi could not muster the leadership and competence to PASS A BUDGET.
– Someone should have told Pelosi that once you take over both houses of Congress you can drop the ‘Obstructionist’ role. Seems they even OBSTRUCTED THEMSELVES….well, except for record-setting deficit spending.

You can quote dates and facts back to 1993 if you want, but the PERTINENT FACTS relating to TODAY are:
1) The Democrats had a ‘Super majority’ in Congress the last 2 years of Bush’s Presidency and in the 1st 2 years of Obama’s Presidency.

2) Once Reid took over in the Senate, not 1 budget has been passed since.

3) The ONLY budget Obama has ever submitted that Reid allowed to come up in the Senate for a vote was totally DECIMATED by a bi-partisan vote where almost every Democrat voted against it citing how bad it was.

4) Obama may have called Bush ‘Un-Patriotic’ for adding $4 trillion in debt over 8 years, during 9/11/01 (Obama’s new allies) & 2 wars, but he also added OVER $6 TRILLION in new debt, setting ‘monthly’, ‘annual’, & ‘total’ U.S. deficit-spending records along the way. Obama has added more debt than EVERY U.S. President from Washington to Clinton COMBINED.

5) Obama’s 1st signed bill was a failed $875 BILLION spending bill consisting of over 7,000 DNC-submitted pieces of pork.

6) Harry Reid and Obama are the ones who preferred and forced this shut down by rejecting a bill passed by the House that FUNDS EVERY ASPECT OF THE GOVERNMENT except for Obamacare , a bill forced into law against the will of the majority of Americans, based on countless numbers of lies, an Un-Constitutional Bill being modified illegally over and over by Obama, a bill which strips Americans of insurance, raises health care costs, destroys jobs, and results in Americans out of jobs, businesses going over seas, & raises new taxes.

7) Harry Reid and Obama are the ones who preferred and forced this shut down by rejecting a bill passed by the House that FUNDS EVERY ASPECT OF THE GOVERNMENT except requested the new Medical Device tax be repealed & every American be given the same 1 year exemption Obama has Un-Constitutionally given to Big Businesses and buddies.

8) Harry Reid and Obama are the ones who preferred and forced this shut down by rejecting a bill passed by the House that FUNDS EVERY ASPECT OF THE GOVERNMENT except calls for the elimination of all of those Un-Constitutional waivers, to include the mandate that every American getting $crewed by Obamacare in turn pay the insurance premiums of their Millionaire politicians who declared they had no right to know what was in the bill until it passed. Harry Reid rejected this bill, and the Liberals in the Senate declared we reject that – our Constituents WILL pay our premiums – we’re not giving that up!

So you can quote all the past you want and blame the GOP, but you do so while ignoring what is going on right now and while proving you are one of the Americans who Reid & Obama believe are so stupid as to blame the GOP rather than them, who is really behind it all.

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 12:22 PM

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM

THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I was hoping there had to be more! I have almost never been so glad to be wrong!

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 12:24 PM

I fail to see how this shutdown is impacting the federal government from carrying out any of its enumerated powers.

Leave it shutdown until the Senate passes a budget.

Droopy on October 1, 2013 at 12:26 PM

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM

THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I was hoping there had to be more! I have almost never been so glad to be wrong!

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 12:24 PM

That’s like finding out you debited your bank account when it should have been a credit!! LOL

I just knew something was amiss, since that was soooo out of your Conservative character:-)

So glad that is cleared up & thanks for doing that!!

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 12:31 PM

This is their Waterloo, but yet they are too stupid to see this.

Let.It.Burn.

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

—————————————————-

True, the GOP has a long distinguished history of ‘caving’ on every issue…because they are ‘petrified with fear’ that they will lose their jobs because they will be blamed by the shutdown.

Unfortunately they … and Reid & Obama … are sadly right about 1 major thing: The Majority of Americans are STUPID. They are like mooing cattle or grazing sheep. They absorb what the major Al Jazeera-CNN/MSNBC/etc news media feeds them and are too fat, lazy, self-centered, and ignorant to find out for themselves what is going on.

The same STUPID people who thought Obama was going to give them a new kitchen, buy their gas, etc the 1st term only to be disappointed voted for him again believing, “Yeah, but THIS TIME…”.

The Unions were $crewed because they thought Obama was in their corner…and had to learn the hard way Obama is in the corner of Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama Sr, & Barack Obama Jr – HIS OWN corner.

Blacks just KNEW he would help them.
– He has passed no legislation, has done nothing to help them. Unemployment for blacks remains approx 14%.

Unions just KNEW Obama would stand with them.
– He just torpedoed the Unions with an Obamacare law that sinks Union ‘catalac plans / special deals’, destroys the 40-hr work week, causes Americans to lose their jobs & insurance.

Harry Reid is like some brainwashed Hitler General pushing Obama’s agenda, believing he has made himself indespensible to Obama but has no idea that Obama was knife his weasly white @$$ in the back and leave him by the roadside as soon as he is no longer useful…so Reid helps destroy his own nation & spits on the Americans to whom HIS shutdown is causing pain.

And we’re back to the Americans getting sh@t on by Reid, Obama, & Liberals who are being spoonfed BS, who do not realize this is a ‘waterloo’, and who will blame the GOP….who WILL fold in the end.

‘Let it burn’? The only way it will all ‘reset’….which the GOP do not have the courage to allow to happen.

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Thinking that the people are so stupid that they are incapable of tying their own shoes is exactly why I am comfortable defecting from the GOPe to the Libertarians.

It is the GOPe’s fault for not doing anything to instill the values of limited government, personal and religious freedom, and the belief of American exceptionalism… all the while, the Dems took over public education and exerted dominance in the media.

Calling those who don’t vote for the GOPe as “low information voters” only signals that we’ve lost the battle forever. I soundly reject that notion. Conservatives can win, but only if they put their man pants on and go into battle. Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and Rand Paul have done that, and have been ripped by the Socialist Dem surrender birds who control the GOPe (McCant, Grahmanesty, McConnell and Corburn).

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 12:32 PM

It is the GOPe’s fault for not doing anything to instill the values of limited government, personal and religious freedom, and the belief of American exceptionalism… all the while, the Dems took over public education and exerted dominance in the media.

Don’t Libertarians believe in small government who for the most part stays out of our lives?! Blaming the GOP for OUR lack of values regarding limited government, personal and religeous freedoms, & the belief in exceptionalism is a COP OUT.

Anyone who knows the Constitution and our history has no excuse for NOT having these. Thos who know & do not pass them down to their children have FAILD them and this nation because our school systems, controlled by Liberals, sure aren’t teaching it anymore.

And how does the GOP instill pride, integrity, and a solid work ethic into people who want to it on the TV, feed their face, and get up only to walk to the mailbox to get their Medicair, Medicaid, Welfare ,Social Security, & Unemployment checks, their Food Stamps, free Obama phones, and let the government take care of their every problems? Just like Obama/Liberals, you show no interest in personal accountability.

Yes, the GOP actually $uc% at getting their message out…and @$$hole$ like McConnell, McCain, & Cronyn put their egos & personal careers over what is best for the nation, AND they seem to always undercut the House’s effort by refusing to work together in a more unified fashion.

Instead of working to get those deadbeats out of office & eliminate the ‘Establishment’ you advocate switching to a 3rd party that has no chance to win and only takes votes away from the GOP, ensuring a ‘Socialist’/Liberal win. I advocate working harder to get egotictical, self-serving RINO old f@rt dinosaur ‘Establishment’ Republicans out of office.

If we can’t even get such losers out of our PARTY, how the h#ll do you hope to get them out of the enitre Federal Government / Oval Office?!

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 12:44 PM

McConnell on the Senate floor pretending to be a Conservative Republican. How I despise these deceivers.

I wish Bmore or RWM would make a caricature of him with his true mask & his pretending mask!!

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 12:48 PM

I notice that McConnell has been coughing every time he speaks. Guess he’s choking on his lies.

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Instead of working to get those deadbeats out of office & eliminate the ‘Establishment’ you advocate switching to a 3rd party that has no chance to win and only takes votes away from the GOP, ensuring a ‘Socialist’/Liberal win. I advocate working harder to get egotictical, self-serving RINO old f@rt dinosaur ‘Establishment’ Republicans out of office.

If we can’t even get such losers out of our PARTY, how the h#ll do you hope to get them out of the enitre Federal Government / Oval Office?!

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 12:44 PM

As much as we’d like to vote for another Party or start a 3rd party, we would be just cutting off our noses to spite our face.

These traitors will back and have backed like minded Candidates
and support them with money to defeat Conservative Candidates in key elections in several States.

We are going to have to counter that any way we can. Phone banks,
money, and stay connected to Organizations that are doing the same.

The Tea Party, Conservatives, Palin, DeMint and the State of Texas all contributed to elect Senator Cruz. We have to do that again.

There are 13 Dem Senate seats up for re-election and 20 Senate Republican seats up for re-election in 2014. There is a list available that one of our HA commenters posted, which I have and have posted it several times.

What we don’thave is one place to gather to share info and we need that.

The website http://www.dontfundit has a list of those Candidates. They need vetted thoroughly tho. I think also http://www.senateconservatives.com have a list that they vet and then support.

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 1:05 PM

I have some errands to attend to but will check back in.

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Let it burn. Let all of DC burn. It is corruption at it’s finest. Obama and all the liberals should be in jail stealing cookies like OJ.

F_This on October 1, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Instead of working to get those deadbeats out of office & eliminate the ‘Establishment’ you advocate switching to a 3rd party that has no chance to win and only takes votes away from the GOP, ensuring a ‘Socialist’/Liberal win. I advocate working harder to get egotictical, self-serving RINO old f@rt dinosaur ‘Establishment’ Republicans out of office.

If we can’t even get such losers out of our PARTY, how the h#ll do you hope to get them out of the enitre Federal Government / Oval Office?!

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Well, what is being done now clearly has had no effect on the GOPe. Look at 2012, for God sakes. The GOPe will force Kristie Kreme on us and work with the media to torpedo any challengers… same script, different actors, but same result. Eight years of President Hillary, and eight years of the GOPe berating conservative voters for not supporting their hand-picked Socialist Democrat candidate because they thought he was “most electable.”.

The GOPe is dead, and cannot be revived. I’m done with them.

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 1:44 PM

McCain, McConnell, Cornyn… these Establishment guys continue to commit a foul you NEVER see the liberals commit — The GOP ‘eat’ their own.

These 3 got their egos bruised by Cruz and – as CRONYN even admitted – were ‘paralyzed by fear’ that the Liberals were going to blame them for a shutdown which would cost them their jobs. THAT is why Cruz read the paper on what happened to so many Founding Fathers who risked everything to do what was right for this nation. These 3 (and more) exposed themselves as self-promoting/centered gutless cowards who put themselves above their oaths of office, promises to Constituents, & what if best for both the nation & Americans. They should be targeted for replacement.

1 web site for Conservatives to congregate, share, & coordinate their efforts is a good idea…especially if the GOP Establishment try to ram another RINO down our throats as our only GOP choice. We could all coordinate and agree to WRITE IN our own candidate. If enough did so maybe it could send a message to the GOP Establishment and maybe even pull off a win against Commrade Hillary.

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 2:33 PM

I fail to see how this shutdown is impacting the federal government from carrying out any of its enumerated powers.

Leave it shutdown until the Senate passes a budget.

Droopy on October 1, 2013 at 12:26 PM

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I SECOND the motion !

listens2glenn on October 1, 2013 at 3:12 PM

1 web site for Conservatives to congregate, share, & coordinate their efforts is a good idea…especially if the GOP Establishment try to ram another RINO down our throats as our only GOP choice. We could all coordinate and agree to WRITE IN our own candidate. If enough did so maybe it could send a message to the GOP Establishment and maybe even pull off a win against Commrade Hillary.

easyt65 on October 1, 2013 at 2:33 PM

We’ll need to put our thinking caps on. I worked very hard during 2009 with a group of Conservatives trying to stop Obamacare. Also during that time on another major well known blog, there were so many Obots & trolls that it wasn’t worth commenting and there was no moderator to stop them.

So a group of regulars set up their own blog and only those known to everyone were allowed to register and comment. The Obots & trolls were dying to know about it, but they never did. I’ll need to research my files to see how they did it.

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 4:26 PM

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