Paul: Let’s get a 1-week CR to give us time to negotiate in conference

posted at 10:41 am on October 1, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

“When we disagree,” Sen. Rand Paul told CNN’s New Day, “historically we’ve gone to conference committee.” Republicans in the House tried that, and Kate Bouldan tells Paul that Dick Durbin declared that Democrats are open to a conference committee — despite rejecting the offer this morning on a straight party-line vote. Paul suggests that the rhetoric needs to cool on both sides, and that both sides need to provide some give — and that can start with a one- to two-week CR and a conference committee:

“I think what we could do is pass a very short term, maybe not six weeks, but what about one week, so we could negotiate over a week,” the Kentucky Republican told CNN’s “New Day.” “I think a continuing bill to keep the government open while we negotiate is a good idea. I do agree that negotiating with the government closed probably to [Democrats] appears like strong-arm tactics.”

But it does need to be short-term enough “that we are having an active negotiation that we don’t just say we’re going to fund it for three months or two months and come back,” he said.

“I think if we did it for a week or two, we could still continue to negotiate, have a conference committee and really I think the American people do want us to work this out,” Paul said.

“New Day” co-host Kate Bolduan told Paul that his comment “might be the first glimmer of hope I’ve heard all morning.”

In the earlier interview, Durbin told CNN that Democrats might be willing to dump the medical-device tax in a deal, as long as the GOP allowed the revenue to be replaced — by raising taxes elsewhere, presumably:

A repeal of the medical device tax may be a point of compromise between the House and the Senate as the two houses of Congress work to end the government shutdown, the number two Democrat in the Senate said Tuesday.

“We can work on something, I believe, on the medical device tax. That was one of the proposals from Republicans, as long as we replace the revenue,” Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois said on CNN’s “New Day.”

That’s probably a non-starter in terms of the actual eventual compromise, but it’s a shift in tone from last night’s “pass a clean CR or else” response from Harry Reid. Republicans could offer more spending cuts that could shift revenue, but that’s probably not going to fly if it’s used to fund ObamaCare through statutory spending rather than discretionary spending, and even more to the point, the GOP isn’t going to agree to anything that boosts ObamaCare, not even a revenue-neutral swap. I’d expect the eventual compromise to come on the elimination of the Congressional exemption, which is even more poisonous for Democrats than the medical-device tax, especially with its tie to Barack Obama via executive fiat.


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I’d expect the eventual compromise to come on the elimination of the Congressional exemption, which is even more poisonous for Democrats…

But is a winner politically for Republicans. Since most Republican politicians do not actually want to reduce the size of government, it won’t happen.

Fenris on October 1, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Republicans are the only ones being grownup or reasonable throughout this Barry-induced fiasco.

Punchenko on October 1, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Will. Not. Work…

OmahaConservative on October 1, 2013 at 10:45 AM

No.

Obama decided golf was more important and Pelosi had to be somewhere else over the weekend.

The time for negotiation, which Reid REFUSED was over the last 9 months.

Start negotiating now and if you get somewhere with the dems in good faith THEN issue the 1 week CR.

Not before.

Skywise on October 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM

If nothing else the congressional waver needs to die. It’s their law and they should be every bit as susceptible to it’s failures as the rest of the country. They didn’t bother to read it before voting for it so it’s their fault.

HotAirian on October 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM

no, lets give this “shut-down” thing at least a week…

equanimous on October 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM

“We can work on something, I believe, on the medical device tax. That was one of the proposals from Republicans, as long as we replace the revenue,” Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois said on CNN’s “New Day.”

The Barking Seal throws this crap out there and of course the GOP will latch on, McCain will probably be the first.

Durbin, being one of the stupidest members of Congress, should be ignored but you just know he’s going to get traction with this.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

I’ll tell you how this will end – Dingy and Teh SCOAMT get their “clean” CR, nothing concerning PlaceboCare gets altered because there will be at least one surrender monkey (probably from the Senate side) on the “GOP” half of the conference committee.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Let’s get a 1-week CR to give us time to negotiate in conference

Why? Let it rot.

A shut down of obama’s diseased government is exactly what we need – hopefully this will drag on for many months.

Pork-Chop on October 1, 2013 at 10:48 AM

The only way I support a short term CR is if that goes back _ not to 2009 Pelosi-Reid Progressive Wet Dream Budget – but to the last year of a balanced budget.

jhnone on October 1, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Sounds good. But let’s try to end up with eliminating the congressional exemption AND force federal employees, including the Supreme Court, into Obamacare.

FreeManOtis on October 1, 2013 at 10:50 AM

…kick the can!

KOOLAID2 on October 1, 2013 at 10:53 AM

At least Paul has a plan to place blame for shutdown where it belongs – on Democrats. The GOP “leadership?” Not so much.

besser tot als rot on October 1, 2013 at 10:53 AM

All Democrats have to do is wait until the end of October. By then, the government shutdown will have started to really hurt the economy, the markets and everyday Americans, particularly those on some form of aid. It will have been a month since civilian military members have gotten paid. Democrats don’t have to compromise on anything. The bill is law.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Is that Rand Paul BLINKING?!?!?!?

LordMaximus on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

This entire thing is a debacle. What is happening?

First it’s: You don’t get the CR unless ObamaCare is defunded.

Democrats: Nyet.

Second: You don’t get the CR unless ObamaCare is delayed 1 year.

Democrats: Nyet.

Third: You don’t get the CR unless the individual mandate is delayed 1 year and the medical devices tax is repealed.

Democrats: Nyet.

Fourth: Let’s give you a 2 week CR and go to Conference Committee on the budget, and forget about that whole ObamaCare thing.

Democrats: Nyet.

We are bidding against ourselves because our caucus has no spine. It’s a national disgrace. Just a disgrace!!!

Outlander on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Why?

Pork-Chop on October 1, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Messaging.

besser tot als rot on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Keep it shut, forever, use the savings to pay off debt.

anikol on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

I’ll tell you how this will end – Dingy and Teh SCOAMT get their “clean” CR, nothing concerning PlaceboCare gets altered because there will be at least one surrender monkey (probably from the Senate side) on the “GOP” half of the conference committee.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Probably correct, except they may also eliminate the sequester.

Fenris on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

The bill is law.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

That’s an oxymoron.

besser tot als rot on October 1, 2013 at 10:56 AM

No negotiations. The die is cast. Keep the shutdown until we get what we want. The shutdown only hurts the dems and dem constituents. There’s no incentive for the republicans to compromise now. If they’re going to get the blame and get dumped on by the media, they should get a political win out of it now.

Iblis on October 1, 2013 at 10:58 AM

All Democrats have to do is wait until the end of October. By then, the government shutdown will have started to really hurt the economy, the markets and everyday Americans, particularly those on some form of aid.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Replace government shutdown and replace with Obamacare and you get that scenario

Like the sequester, doom and gloom doesn’t pan out with reality.

sentinelrules on October 1, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Probably correct, except they may also eliminate the sequester.

Fenris on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Or at least the non-defense portion thereof.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 10:58 AM

All Democrats have to do is wait until the end of October. By then, the government shutdown will have started to really hurt the economy, the markets and everyday Americans, particularly those on some form of aid. It will have been a month since civilian military members have gotten paid. Democrats don’t have to compromise on anything. The bill is law.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Demorats are willing to have people suffer for an entire month, particularly those on some form of aid, instead of seeking a compromise earlier. Got it.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:59 AM

No negotiations. The die is cast. Keep the shutdown until we get what we want. The shutdown only hurts the dems and dem constituents. There’s no incentive for the republicans to compromise now. If they’re going to get the blame and get dumped on by the media, they should get a political win out of it now.

Iblis on October 1, 2013 at 10:58 AM

They shouldn’t surrender in any of it – including the shutdown messaging war.

besser tot als rot on October 1, 2013 at 11:00 AM

The bill is law.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

The bill is law? Then maybe you can point out the portion of that law which gave Obama the power to exempt Congress and large corporations from said law?

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 11:00 AM

All Democrats have to do is wait until the end of October. By then, the government shutdown will have started to really hurt the economy, the markets and everyday Americans, particularly those on some form of aid. It will have been a month since civilian military members have gotten paid. Democrats don’t have to compromise on anything. The bill is law.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

And by the end of October everyone will know that the exchanges are a disaster and will have been informed by their employer of one of several things:
1. You’re fired because ObamaCare has made it too expensive to employ you
2. Your family is no longer covered because ObamaCare has made it too expensive to do so.
3. You’re now a part-time employee and will lose your employer subsidized health insurance because ObamaCare has made it too expensive (good luck on those exchanges which don’t work)
4. You’re going to pay a lot more for the health care plans we provide

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Notwithstanding my criticism of the outcome (no, not likely, certain) of a conference committee, that is how it is supposed to be resolved.

Steve Eggleston on October 1, 2013 at 11:02 AM

The bill is law?

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 11:00 AM

I was thinking he should take a basic civics course to learn the difference between a bill and a law before commenting on bills and laws.

besser tot als rot on October 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM

It’s far too early for Rand Paul to start offering up these ideas.

There is a time when silence is the best tool that can be used.

The Democrat-led Senate rejected this morning the House GOP offer for a conference negotiation. Dingy Harry still wants the shutdown believing that, with the lamestream media’s help, this can be spun into a winning issue for the Dems in the 2014 midterms. (That’s as delusional as the Reid’s / Obama’s insistence that the US economy is in a real recovery.)

The House GOP has made a number of efforts to achieve a deal, all of which were summarily rejected by the Democrats who only are interested in a GOP surrender. Rational people see this despite the spin from the lamestream media. This isn’t 95-96…the Dems are in a far weaker position.

The House GOP continues to offer CR’s that seek to eliminate the waivers and exemptions the Executive Branch unilaterally gave – particularly to Congress and Federal Employees. Let the Dems continue to reject these for the next few days. By the weekend, take to the pulpit, highlight the actions of Reid / Obama, and give them a ‘clean CR’ based on the sequester numbers. Say that the GOP will no longer let Reid / Obama hold the people hostage – and pivot to the real fight – the debt ceiling issue that has to be resolved by Oct 17.

Then the House GOP mirrors back on Reid / Obama everything they did to the GOP – because Obama has to get an increase in the debt ceiling or else he is really toast for his 2nd term. That’s the hill you make the Progressives die on.

Athos on October 1, 2013 at 11:04 AM

God damn the deceiving media.

Look at the title of this article.

Schadenfreude on October 1, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Whoa there little Dickie!

The Medical Device Tax is a funding mechanism for Obamacare – so how do we selectively strip that out? I mean, the president said this just the other day: “This is a law that passed both houses of Congress, a law that bears my signature, a law that the Supreme Court upheld as constitutional, a law that voters chose not to repeal last November.” So now we’re going to start tweaking that law? Hell, why not just start over, Dickie?

Hill60 on October 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM

The bill is law.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

So that was applied by the President regarding….

….our immigration laws that he unilaterally decided not to enforce?

….DOMA, which he also unilaterally decided not to enforce?

….if the ACA is law, under what right / authority did the President use to grant waivers, exemptions, special deals to preferred special interest groups when no such provision existed in the law?

As is par with our progressive-fascists – it’s all about the double-standard: One set of rules for them, another for everyone else.

Athos on October 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Lately, I have noticed that Rand has been saying some things that just don’t ring clear for the conservative cause. Maybe, I need to reevaluate my opinion about Rand Paul.

mobydutch on October 1, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Paul hasn’t influenced McConnell. McConnell has influenced him.

If Paul is voted out in his next Senate election it won’t be that big of a loss.

If his biggest priority is a two-class system where his staffers keep subsidized health insurance he needs to go. Massie can run for KY Senate.

tetriskid on October 1, 2013 at 11:09 AM

I’d expect the eventual compromise to come on the elimination of the Congressional exemption, which is even more poisonous for Democrats than the medical-device tax, especially with its tie to Barack Obama via executive fiat.

Elimination of the Obama subsidy (it’s not an exemption) is exactly what the Rs need to be insisting upon, and forget the “delay” business at least for now. Why? The average voter and the LIVs can understand the special treatment argument, it’s so simple, plus we need to change the narrative from government shutdown back to how screwed up and disorganized ObamaCare is. This may well be the reason Obama and the Ds have refused to negotiate on the CR, knowing that the shiny object of the shutdown would deflect attention to the ObamaCare roll-out debacle.

TXUS on October 1, 2013 at 11:09 AM

I would like to take this Shutdown for a test drive. I did the same for the Sequester and fell in love with its roomy interior.

mjbrooks3 on October 1, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Democrats don’t have to compromise on anything. The bill is law.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

You’re right. The Democrats should – and will – make a resolute stand for crony deals the president has insisted on for those on Capitol Hill and for large corporations and a law which we already know is a disaster. Democrats don’t care who doesn’t get paid or aid as long as their special deals stay in place and there is no delay to the ever-increasing encroachment of national government into the lives of every citizen. Obama will make deals with despots across the globe who murder and oppress their citizens but at home his political adversaries are labelled terrorists and he will not compromise. I’m glad you showed up today to own this.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Hah Hah Hah

Schadenfreude on October 1, 2013 at 11:17 AM

The bill is law.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

The bill is law? Then maybe you can point out the portion of that law which gave Obama the power to exempt Congress and large corporations from said law?

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Those parts aren’t law law, they’re open to interpretation as necessary.

This has to be true because libfree would be demanding impeachment of Dog Eater for breaking the law if it weren’t.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Let’s give the Democrats more time/opportunities to demogogue the Republicans “on the clock”!

Brilliant, Senator Paul!

Jeddite on October 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM

“When we disagree,” Sen. Rand Paul told CNN’s New Day, “historically we’ve gone to conference committee.” Republicans in the House tried that, and Kate Bouldan tells Paul that Dick Durbin declared that Democrats are open to a conference committee — despite rejecting the offer this morning on a straight party-line vote.

I know Ed Morrissey is a partisan hack, but he should still have pointed out that Rand Paul was one of those Senators which PREVENTED going to conference committee on eighteen different occasions from late March 2013 to date.

mlindroo on October 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM

F*ck negotiating; these Democrat ratf*ckers have had ample opportunity to ‘negotiate’; they can now go straight to hell.

Send them a new CR – non-negotiable – that is more onerous than the last. And if they reject it, send another than includes everything from before, but makes it even more painful to accept. Send them a message that with each rejection, *their* position will only worsen.

F*CK THEM.

Midas on October 1, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Start negotiating now and if you get somewhere with the dems in good faith THEN issue the 1 week CR.

Not before.

Can the GOP ever get anywhere with the dems in “good faith”.

The GOP leadership all too often seem have the faith the dems will be good.

hawkeye54 on October 1, 2013 at 11:21 AM

F*ck negotiating; these Democrat ratf*ckers have had ample opportunity to ‘negotiate’; they can now go straight to hell.

They only want to ‘negotiate’ the terms of GOP surrender. Nothing more.

hawkeye54 on October 1, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Reading the headlines and hearing the news today was sickening. The “It’s all the insane Republicans fault” meme. I don’t recognize my Country anymore…

sandee on October 1, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Here’s how you negotiate with the Dems nowadays.

“Nice Obamacare you got there, be a shame if something happened to it.” *defunded*

“Oh, I’m sorry – that was unfortunate. Oh, nice Planned Parenthood funding you have there, be a shame if something happened to it.” *defunded*

“Oh, I’m sorry – that was unfortunate. Oh, nice Department of Health and Human Services you have there, be a shame if something happened to it.” *defunded*

Rinse, repeat.

Midas on October 1, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Hey libby, the Fugitive Slave Act was law once.

Tell us that you agree with that!

22044 on October 1, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Seems like Senator Paul is manuevering to take the wind out of Cruz’s sails.

It was just a comment for now… but if Paul continues talking this way and ends up ‘leading’ towards that end… well, clearly this entire shutdown stage show will just end up being a proxy war in the 2016 GOP presidential primary.

I think what we are really watching is a chess game, played on a very large scale, between Cruz and Paul.

Check.

RightWay79 on October 1, 2013 at 11:24 AM

“We can work on something, I believe, on the medical device tax. That was one of the proposals from Republicans, as long as we replace the revenue,”

Cut out Michelle’s vacations.

A CR that simply removes the Congressional exemption of Obamacare. If it’s so wonderful for everyone else, then it’s wonderful for Congress & staffers. If Obamacare is a crap sandwich for Congressional staffers, then Obamacare is a crap sandwich for everyone.

rbj on October 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Hey libby, the Fugitive Slave Act was law once.

Tell us that you agree with that!

22044 on October 1, 2013 at 11:24 AM

And prohibition and Womens votes….

sandee on October 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Democrats don’t have to compromise on anything. The bill is law.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

So is immigration, you f*ck.

So is border security, you f*ck.

So are a great number of things you f*ckers don’t give a f*cking damn about.

Shove this law straight up your f*cking ass.

Midas on October 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM

All Democrats have to do is wait until the end of October. By then, the government shutdown will have started to really hurt the economy, the markets and everyday Americans, particularly those on some form of aid. It will have been a month since civilian military members have gotten paid. Democrats don’t have to compromise on anything.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

I love it when you regurgitate groupthink.

Want reality, sweet pants?

1. People on aid wouldn’t feel a damn thing until January.

2. Federal work stoppage can only effect the markets by Barry’s Buddies trying to effect the market.

3. Civilian military has its own ecosystem. Whatever they’re doing without or cannot pay gets covered or put on hold. Only in your prog pipedream are these people going to lose their current livelihoods.

I hope, I pray, you progs push this thing a month. Like Sequestration, when the effects don’t kick in as fear-mongered, you’re SOL.

The bill is law.

So was DOMA, you hypocritical Rusty Trombone.

budfox on October 1, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Reading the headlines and hearing the news today was sickening. The “It’s all the insane Republicans fault” meme. I don’t recognize my Country anymore…

sandee on October 1, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Did anyone truly expect anything different?
The GOP won’t be able to win the shutdown PR war. That was certain from the start.

The question now is how do they get out of this mess while simultaneously saving some face and also getting some kind of worthwhile consession from the Democrats.

RightWay79 on October 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

F*ck negotiating; these Democrat ratf*ckers have had ample opportunity to ‘negotiate’; they can now go straight to hell.

Send them a new CR – non-negotiable – that is more onerous than the last. And if they reject it, send another than includes everything from before, but makes it even more painful to accept. Send them a message that with each rejection, *their* position will only worsen.

F*CK THEM.

Midas on October 1, 2013 at 11:21 AM

That’s one strategy. My strategy would be to start from zero, and only fund essential parts of the government, slowly and selectively. I actually expect the republicans to cave.

Fenris on October 1, 2013 at 11:29 AM

sorry… obviously consession = concession.

RightWay79 on October 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

And prohibition and Womens votes….

sandee on October 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

So is immigration, you f*ck.

So is border security, you f*ck.

So are a great number of things you f*ckers don’t give a f*cking damn about.

Shove this law straight up your f*cking ass.

Midas on October 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM

So was DOMA, you hypocritical Rusty Trombone.

budfox on October 1, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Excellent responses!

Libby, your pedophilia has rotted your brain. Again.

22044 on October 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

LordMaximus on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Hmm… nah… it is, however, an ill-advised attempt to appear ‘reasonable’.

Especially so, since the LSM will not project it as such.

Me? I say let inertia take it’s course.

Tell the ‘rats to sit on it and spin.

CPT. Charles on October 1, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Paul: Let’s get a 1-week CR to give us time to negotiate in conference

No. You’ve got all the time in the world but you don’t need a CR to negotiate. In fact, having the added pressure of a partial shut down might mean that Dems are more willing to do right by Americans and less apt to protect themselves and the parasites that work for them. There is absolutely no reason why the taxpayer should be forces to subsidize somebody making over $100K year.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 11:31 AM

All Democrats have to do is wait until the end of October. By then, the government shutdown will have started to really hurt the economy, the markets and everyday Americans, particularly those on some form of aid. It will have been a month since civilian military members have gotten paid. Democrats don’t have to compromise on anything.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Long before that, the debt ceiling will have been reached. Dems remain acting like spoiled children at the risk of default. And I don’t think your stupid lazy idol wants to default.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 11:34 AM

My strategy would be to start from zero, and only fund essential parts of the government, slowly and selectively.
Fenris on October 1, 2013 at 11:29 AM

I agree.

And the money offered would be at 2001 spending levels.

Each rejection by the Senate ‘rats make them look worse and worse…

CPT. Charles on October 1, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Those parts aren’t law law, they’re open to interpretation as necessary.

This has to be true because libfree would be demanding impeachment of Dog Eater for breaking the law if it weren’t.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Well since Dog Eater broke The Law for large corporations and Congress libfree gives him a pass.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Re: Paul.

Understand what he’s doing: Smoking Reid out.

Like Boehner, he’s offering every opportunity to negotiate.

The more offers that Reid shoots down, the more it shores up the GOP position as the media will not be able to refute the charge that “Reid has been just as belligerent as…”

This is how we got rid of Pelosi.

Which is why Reid has spent years doing his damage off camera.

He knows the more camera time he has to give shooting down negotiations, forget concessions, the worse he looks.

The guy’s a grade-A, bigoted, arrogant, lying arsehole. He knows it. The media knows it.

Get him in front of the cameras after a week or two of shutdown, especially in an interview, and how do you think he’s going to behave?

budfox on October 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM

I am trying to figure out the timing. How long they will play the game, before they bring out what they really want – and it does not have to do with Obamacare.

This is how Paul could step up and take a leadership position. He actually wants to pause Obamacare funding, and continue the rest of gov. The honchos are letting others fill in the blanks. Which leads folk to assume everyone wants a resolution between the Paul stand, and the Dems

Will they have the guts to bring in the foot in the door Amnesty they have been constructing behind the scenes, as the only way to strike a deal between the party of the first part (WH) and the party of the second part (RINO).

Refuse to talk. Let the pickets begin. Let the MSM stage the play. And then let themselves be dragged, kicking, screaming, and laughing their heads off, into a ‘forced’ compromise on amnesty, part I, as the only way to heal the nation and continue the charade of a good economy.

If they get the ‘forced’ comromise they want, they will broadcast it as proof the Tea Party is dead

If they can take down the Pauls in the aftershock, all the better

entagor on October 1, 2013 at 11:38 AM

How about a one month ‘essential personnel only’ CR?

Plenty of time to work things out AND government essential functions continue.

ajacksonian on October 1, 2013 at 11:40 AM

By then, the government shutdown will have started to really hurt the economy, the markets and everyday Americans, particularly those on some form of aid.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Looks like Barry better get busy brokering a deal then, huh? :-)

Punchenko on October 1, 2013 at 11:42 AM

“When we disagree,” Sen. Rand Paul told CNN’s New Day, “historically we’ve gone to conference committee.”

History doesn’t show a very good record, Senator Paul, except for being able to leave the conference slapping each other on the back for “making things work”.

Dusty on October 1, 2013 at 11:42 AM

There is absolutely no reason why the taxpayer should be forces to subsidize somebody making over $100K year.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Tell it to that fraud Rand Paul.

tetriskid on October 1, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Just No. Leave the government shut down for a couple of months to see if anyone (other than the pigs at the public trough) misses it.

CatoRenasci on October 1, 2013 at 11:48 AM

The House should send over a clean CR to fund the DoD, today.

Dusty on October 1, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Why do a one week CR Paul… afraid we will get used to less government, and less traffic in the morning and evening.

Dasher on October 1, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Well, if Rand Paul is already backing away from the hardliners, it’s pretty clear that this is turning into a Tea Party Waterloo. I’m sure Reid and Obama already know what — if any — minor concessions they’ll give the Republicans so they can pretend to save face.

Then. we’ll have a repetitive, if more farcical, showdown over the debt ceiling and when the Tea Party loses that one, too, we will finally have heard the end of them as a serious force.

urban elitist on October 1, 2013 at 11:51 AM

All Democrats have to do is wait until the end of October. By then, the government shutdown will have started to really hurt the economy, the markets and everyday Americans, particularly those on some form of aid. It will have been a month since civilian military members have gotten paid. Democrats don’t have to compromise on anything. The bill is law.

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

It’s The Law. All those massive transfers of wealth from the poorer young to the richer old people. It’s the law. What a victory for liberalism. Good job guys.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Well, if Rand Paul is already backing away from the hardliners, it’s pretty clear that this is turning into a Tea Party Waterloo. I’m sure Reid and Obama already know what — if any — minor concessions they’ll give the Republicans so they can pretend to save face.

Then. we’ll have a repetitive, if more farcical, showdown over the debt ceiling and when the Tea Party loses that one, too, we will finally have heard the end of them as a serious force.

urban elitist on October 1, 2013 at 11:51 AM

The Democrats are great at getting political victories. It’s too bad that they really suck at running the country.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Dusty on October 1, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Reid will say no… saying yes would constitute ‘blinking’ with ‘rats Leftist base.

And… the Dog Eater won’t care until the ‘party & links fund’ is threatened… he could give a shite less about the military.

CPT. Charles on October 1, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Screw the medical evict tax. What about my taxes! If Durbin wants to negotiate, fine. Let him talk to Harry Reid. But I see no reason why medical device manufacturers should get a break, and I shouldn’t. That tax was characterized as absolutely critical when the bill was passed, because the Democrats knew that general tax revenues already existing were not going to be a source for funding the odious ObamaCare. Now that the law is three years old, they want to start repairing some of the especially stupid pieces, and why on earth Republicans would want to help them is beyond all comprehension.

Resist!

MTF on October 1, 2013 at 11:59 AM

The time for negotiation, which Reid REFUSED was over the last 9 months.

Rule 1. Don’t negotiate with hostage takers. Rule 2. Elections have consequences. Maybe if the GOP can win an election on defunding the ACA . . . .

hahahah. Right. Like *that* will ever happen.

lostmotherland on October 1, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Well, if Rand Paul is already backing away from the hardliners, it’s pretty clear that this is turning into a Tea Party Waterloo.

urban elitist on October 1, 2013 at 11:51 AM

I think Rand Paul is trying to negotiate, in good faith, with juvenile Democrats clinging to bad policy that is hurting Americans everywhere.

Rand gets points for that. He’s reaching out while Democrats behave like all-or-nothing extremists.

Punchenko on October 1, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Rule 1. Don’t negotiate with hostage takers. Rule 2. Elections have consequences. Maybe if the GOP can win an election on defunding the ACA . . . .

hahahah. Right. Like *that* will ever happen.

lostmotherland on October 1, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Yeah, it’s very curious that all of the awesomeness of the ACA was pushed off until after the 2012 elections.

And the 2010 landslide and the GOP keeping the House in 2012 are political victories.

ObamaCare has taken the healthcare of our country hostage and it’s taken the financial fortunes of the poorer young hostage in order for the richer old to get “free” healthcare.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:06 PM

I think Rand Paul is trying to negotiate, in good faith, with juvenile Democrats clinging to bad policy that is hurting Americans everywhere.

Rand gets points for that. He’s reaching out while Democrats behave like all-or-nothing extremists.

Punchenko on October 1, 2013 at 12:06 PM

I think the extremists are the ones who couldn’t defund Obamacare by winning elections and passing a bill, and so are throwing a snit-fit.

Reid will negotiate — he’s a genetic horse-trader — but he’d be a fool to do so now, when the Republicans are so clearly unable to get their act together.

Republicans tend to negotiate by saying “my way or the highway.”

Let’s hear a compromise that makes sense.

urban elitist on October 1, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Reid will negotiate — he’s a genetic horse-trader — but he’d be a fool to do so now, when the Republicans are so clearly unable to get their act together.

Republicans tend to negotiate by saying “my way or the highway.”

Let’s hear a compromise that makes sense.

urban elitist on October 1, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Actually no. Obama and Reid have both said unequivocally in the last several days that they will not negotiate at all.

The House has passed several CR’s each with fewer demands and Reid has refused to go to conference to hash out the differences. Reid is willing to compromise but making Congress live by the law is not negotiable? The medical device tax is not negotiable? The individual mandate (note the corporations already illegally have their own)? So tell me exactly what Reid is willing to compromise on?

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM

lostmotherland on October 1, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Elections have consequences and the Republicans control the House.

Barry is going to have to be a man for once in his life (mind you, I know how hard that is for him), take off the mom jeans, and bargain.

Bonus for the GOP: Barry is not Bill Clinton and this is not the ’90s. :-)

Punchenko on October 1, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Rand Paul……wrong on this one.

When I hear clowns like Trent Lott and hear about Cornyn and his ilk going after Ted Cruz I say go #%**{~}%^>^ yourself you lying sacks of possum #%**#}}<%.

gop still sucketh!!!

No appeasement of the Left!

PappyD61 on October 1, 2013 at 12:20 PM

[CPT. Charles on October 1, 2013 at 11:59 AM]

Of course. The point of sending it is to reinforce the impression that they don’t care about getting any part of government back to unless it is everything they want which means they want the part that is collapsing under it’s own weight today.

Ignored? Voted down? Either way, the Dems will be seen as holding military personnel and civilian employees hostage to their selfish parochial interests. The Republicans will be seen as trying to get government up and running.

Send the Senate a Clean DOJ CR tomorrow. A functioning DOJ is the next basic responsibility of government. Let the Dems be seen as holding that hostage, too.

Send them a clean Treasury CR the next day. No matter what other departments are up, if Treasury isn’t open, checks don’t go out or might be delayed. How many hostages do the Dems want to hold?

Divide and conquer.

Dusty on October 1, 2013 at 12:23 PM

C-span reported around 10Am or so that Reid said he WAS NOT going to conference that Boehner requested. That was on the screen.

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM

C-span reported around 10Am or so that Reid said he WAS NOT going to conference that Boehner requested. That was on the screen.

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Lies! Lies! Harry Reid will negotiate!

/verbaluce

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Rule 1. Don’t negotiate with hostage takers.

You’re right, Republicans should stop trying to negotiate with the terrorist Democrats. Great point.

Rule 2. Elections have consequences.

Another great point. The House was sent to DC by their constituents to do exactly what they’re doing now (and more of it, actually). Cruz et al have a job, clearly won their elections based on their principles, and should continue to fight for them.

lostmotherland on October 1, 2013 at 12:01 PM

I know you’re actually stupid and didn’t make the points with the same intent, but… well, you shouldn’t just regurgitate brainless DNC talking points that actually undermine what you think you’re cleverly saying, because, well, neither you nor the talking points are very clever.

Midas on October 1, 2013 at 12:26 PM

C-span reported around 10Am or so that Reid said he WAS NOT going to conference that Boehner requested. That was on the screen.

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Good.

Like happened when the dreaded sequester monster not-so-catastrophically destroyed America, citizens are going about their business today and seeing no effective impact of the shutdown, and the market is loving it.

F*ck the Democrats. Keep this beeyotch shutdown.

Midas on October 1, 2013 at 12:28 PM

I think the extremists are the ones who couldn’t defund Obamacare by winning elections and passing a bill, and so are throwing a snit-fit.

urban elitist on October 1, 2013 at 12:12 PM

You think that because you are being a petty partisan who will jealously cling to bad governance and disastrous policy to score points on the board.

Look, we have divided government and the Democrats are going to have to give instead of take, take, and take. A one year delay, given BarryCare’s problems, is beyond reasonable. Having Congress live under the same law it expects us average, everyday folk to live under is also beyond reasonable.

If anything, these two offers are blessings for Democrats that they should be happy to take.

Reid will negotiate — he’s a genetic horse-trader — but he’d be a fool to do so now, when the Republicans are so clearly unable to get their act together.

urban elitist on October 1, 2013 at 12:12 PM

He’s a fool to block funding for the government, delay horrible policy that is falling apart LIVE on TELEVISION, and allow Congress — in aristocratic fashion — exempt itself from laws it passes for the rest of us.

Punchenko on October 1, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Republicans tend to negotiate by saying “my way or the highway.”

Let’s hear a compromise that makes sense.

urban elitist on October 1, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Does your head ever ache from the volume of cognitive dissonance and projection you bleat all day?

Midas on October 1, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Democrats will not fund the government to protect this:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/360064/oops-msnbc-anchor-cant-access-obamacare-exchange-andrew-johnson

Unbelievable.

Punchenko on October 1, 2013 at 12:32 PM

To Durbin’s point, why are they worried about the revenue from the medical device tax but not worried about the revenue from the employer mandate? If the GOP want to make a point, they would kill the MD tax and make employers respect the “law of the land”.

djaymick on October 1, 2013 at 12:33 PM

They had week after week leading up to this.

Rand Paul losing his outsider status and becoming an insider worthless whore.
You cannot keep a facade going indefinitely. Rand is nothing but facade.

astonerii on October 1, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Actually no. Obama and Reid have both said unequivocally in the last several days that they will not negotiate at all.

The House has passed several CR’s each with fewer demands and Reid has refused to go to conference to hash out the differences. Reid is willing to compromise but making Congress live by the law is not negotiable? The medical device tax is not negotiable? The individual mandate (note the corporations already illegally have their own)? So tell me exactly what Reid is willing to compromise on?

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM

The House picked this fight by opening with a non-starter: defunding Obamacare. In the last couple of days, as the Republicans have begun to acknowledge reality, there have been signals that Reid might talk. But, since the Republicans are splintered and backtracking, he’s doing the only intelligent thing — waiting until there’s actually a chance that the Republicans have a coherent, realistic position (that they can deliver on) and, related, waiting to see how much ground they’ll give up on their own.

In the past, Reid/Obama have compromised on things like the sequester, the stimulus (half tax cuts, you know), postponing repeal of the Bush tax cuts and so on. And, many Republicans have proved themselves adult in this regard, to be sure.

But Boehner cannot at this point deliver his caucus because the Tea Party has no actual interest in governing.

So, get back to me when your caucus gets its act together.

urban elitist on October 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM

In the last couple of days, as the Republicans have begun to acknowledge reality, there have been signals that Reid might talk.

This spin is almost at the MSNBC level of delusional…. Signals that Reid might talk – when just this AM we get the party line vote against any conference to talk – and Reid’s position remains no talks, no negotiations, and no compromise – only the surrender of the GOP to the position he and Obama holds?

Oh, and that sequester agreement, part and parcel of that agreement was that both sides would agree to talks / negotiations on future budget issues – which translates to Obama / Reid’s position of no talks, no negotiations, and no compromise how?

Even the US News and World Report gets it…

Truth be told, Obama and Reid want a shutdown – unless they get everything they want. That means not just the survival of Obamacare but the busting of the spending caps so that the federal spigot can be turned back on and the money can start flowing once again to the constituent groups that are such an important part of the Democrat’s electoral coalition. Anyone who doubts this should just look at the way the White House has been handing out waivers on Obamacare and to whom. In the political sense, they’re the next best thing to cash.

There are some in the conservative coalition who really do want to force a government shutdown as they see it as the only way, the last gasp if you will, to stop Obamacare before it starts to be implemented. What most of the Washington punditocracy won’t tell you is that the White House, Harry Reid and the Democrats want a shutdown just as much if not more They see it as the pathway back to control of the House after the 2014 election, which would allow Obama to finish his term much the same way he started it – with no checks and balances on him whatsoever.

How about you get back to us, hopefully prior to Oct 17, when your caucus is willing to stop playing petty politics and actually solve some of the challenges your caucus has inflicted. Otherwise, you’ll find the issue will not be the $3.7T – $3.8T you want to spend for FY2014 (compared to the $2.6T spent in FY2007), but how you explain another credit downgrade, soaring interest costs, and more inflation because there will not be another debt ceiling increase without a fundamental change in the spending trajectory or tax / entitlement reform. Cloward & Piven is not a viable, sustainable, or responsible tactic.

Athos on October 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM

The House picked this fight by opening with a non-starter: defunding Obamacare. In the last couple of days, as the Republicans have begun to acknowledge reality, there have been signals that Reid might talk. But, since the Republicans are splintered and backtracking, he’s doing the only intelligent thing — waiting until there’s actually a chance that the Republicans have a coherent, realistic position (that they can deliver on) and, related, waiting to see how much ground they’ll give up on their own.

In the past, Reid/Obama have compromised on things like the sequester, the stimulus (half tax cuts, you know), postponing repeal of the Bush tax cuts and so on. And, many Republicans have proved themselves adult in this regard, to be sure.

But Boehner cannot at this point deliver his caucus because the Tea Party has no actual interest in governing.

So, get back to me when your caucus gets its act together.

urban elitist on October 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM

So, in other words you cant tell me what Reid is willing to compromise on after stating that the GOP has already made large concessions. Hey look, if you don’t want Reid to compromise just say it. If you don’t think he needs to compromise just say it. But to claim that Reid is actually willing to compromise when he’s explicitly said he’s not is insulting (you’re either insulting yourself with your ignorance or me because you think I’m ignorant).

Reid and Obama have not said they’re waiting for a “reasonable” offer. They have both said they wont deal with terrorists.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I knew the dems would find a throw away provision to toss onto the negotiation table. Get what they want and give away very little in return.

Kissmygrits on October 1, 2013 at 1:06 PM

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Lies! Lies! Harry Reid will negotiate!

/verbaluce

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Oh brother. Verbie is back!! LOL RWM must not be on this thread, so he feels safe:-)

bluefox on October 1, 2013 at 1:18 PM

So, in other words you cant tell me what Reid is willing to compromise on after stating that the GOP has already made large concessions. Hey look, if you don’t want Reid to compromise just say it. If you don’t think he needs to compromise just say it. But to claim that Reid is actually willing to compromise when he’s explicitly said he’s not is insulting (you’re either insulting yourself with your ignorance or me because you think I’m ignorant).

Reid and Obama have not said they’re waiting for a “reasonable” offer. They have both said they wont deal with terrorists.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Acknowledging reality isn’t a concession.

I want Reid to get the best deal he can, and I accept compromise if necessary. Why he should cave on a bunch of battles we fought hard for an won I have no idea, but if modest concessions are necessary to get back on track, I’m confident that Reid will make them and we will swallow them.

Besides, who does he negotiate with? Boehner? Cruz? Paul? You can’t negotiate with a mob.

Obamacare is a done deal. It has been, for four years and two elections. If you want a compromise, look for something that doesn’t attempt to gut Obamacare. Cut a spending program or something and expect to get a couple of corporate loopholes closed in return.

urban elitist on October 1, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Shutting down congresses paid medical care is peanuts and a lousy swap for the bigger goal. Obama will just ignore law and slip them(Chicago style) some loose change from his shovel-ready stash or have the feds print up more funny money.

It may feel good but a bad idea. The only pain they mind is losing the next couple of elections which will happen if Obamacare become s the weapon of choice for the GOP–if they only get some Viagra spine and dare make it into the crisis it is–and actual “splain” it daily to the masses.

Don L on October 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM

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