It begins: First Obamacare security breach leaks 2,400 Americans’ info

posted at 10:01 pm on October 1, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

Beyond the glitches.

An employee of Minnesota’s Obamacare exchange, MNsure, sent an unencrypted file to the wrong person and left 2,400 people’s private information at the mercy of a nearby insurance agent.

One exchange staffer’s simple mistake gave insurance broker Jim Koester access to an Excel document of Social Security numbers, names, addresses and other personal data for whole a list of insurance agents. Luckily for the 2,400, Koester was cooperative — and unnerved.

“The more I thought about it, the more troubled I was,” Koester told the Minnesota Star Tribune. “What if this had fallen into the wrong hands? It’s scary. If this is happening now, how can clients of MNsure be confident their data is safe?”

We’ve written about the possibility of fraud, but as with all government endeavors, incompetence and carelessness are at least equal threats. I’ll be damned if I’d put my Social Security number into one of these untested databases today, so it can be handed off to a random navigator without a background check, printed off and left in a public library printer tray, or leaked to a local insurance agent. This is dangerous stuff, and it will happen over and over again.

I tried my hand at the Maryland Healthcare Connection today, and after three hours of waiting, could not load more than one screen in the process. I tried Maryland’s site in an attempt to be charitable to Obamacare and offset my own bias somewhat. Maryland has been proactive about exchange development, started on Day One after the law passed, is a small state with a frightening ratio of health care bureaucrats to citizens, and should have been one of the most prepared states to launch an exchange. The exchange’s opening was pushed from midnight to 8 a.m. to noon, at which point they put up this considerate message:

That’s sort of the pitch from Congressional Republicans. We want to make Obamacare as pleasant an experience for the American people as possible by giving them the option to not experience it at all.

Many Obamacare supporters emphasized that the “giltches” in exchanges today are no biggie. They’ll be ironed out quickly, they’re a “great problem to have,” they’re only happening because so very many people want to sign up. Debatable. As I’ve written before, those who crafted the bill had no concept of how complicated what they were proposing would be to build. Today, Jay Carney revealed the depth of that ignorance when he answered questions about system, database, and server capacity problems with Obamacare today by saying, “I’m not an expert in web design.” Federal regulators, at the behest of Obama administration officials, delayed filling in the blanks left by ignorant lawmakers, further slowing the preparation process. Maryland, which was anxious to do all it could, was often running ahead of the feds, waiting for vital pieces of regulatory information. The Obama administration did this because revealing the true effects of this unpopular law before Obama won reelection would have made it harder for Obama to win reelection. They had years to get these sites ready, so anyone who tells you we’re judging them too harshly one day in is about three and a half years off. The attempt to blame Republicans for alleged “sabotage” is undermined by the fact that thoroughly blue states like Maryland and Oregon and New York, which had drunk gallons of Obamacare Kool-Aid (and maybe a little something extra) are among the IT meltdowns today.

Another point Obamacare supporters are ignoring: the ease with which Obamacare tech allows people to sign up is of outsized importance in attracting a particular group— young invincibles, the one group most necessary to making Obamacare work. They’re young, healthy, and insurance is not a priority for them. They’re the reason for the mandate. Health insurance costs a lot, the penalty for not having it is rather small (and getting smaller thanks to the fact that Obamacare prevents them from being turned away when sick), and their costs are going up under Obamacare to subsidize the plans of older, richer, sicker Americans. Young people have very little incentive to sign up, which is why you see the feds enlisting even the likes of *NSYNC to convince them to take the leap in a horrible hybrid of a 90s-nostalgia Buzzfeed post and government propaganda.

Do you see these young people waiting more than 3 seconds for each page of the Maryland exchange to load, much less the 20-40 minutes it seemed to be taking on its best behavior today? If you really want them signing up, make it a three-step process from a smartphone, not a three-hour process from a laptop, coupled with a lengthy customer service call. The Obama team knows all this when it comes to getting elected; not so much when implementing his signature legislation. Not all of those who might sign up tried today and were deterred, but some surely were, and the system as envisioned can’t survive a lot of attrition in this demographic. And, how many young people heard about the problems and will put off signing up until they forget? Today was the day Jennifer Hudson et al. were pitching, and today was a bust.


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…CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?

KOOLAID2 on October 1, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Alright…getting me a whole lotta ammo!

RovesChins on October 1, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Many Obamacare supporters emphasized that the “giltches” in exchanges today are no biggie. They’ll be ironed out quickly, they’re a “great problem to have,” they’re only happening because so very many people want to sign up.

Then, there were the other Obamacare supporters…

Libs See Tea Party, Koch Brothers Conspiracy In Obamacare Website Glitches…

U.N.H.I.N.G.E.D.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:05 PM

An employee of Minnesota’s Obamacare exchange, MNsure, sent an unencrypted file to the wrong person and left 2,400 people’s private information at the mercy of a nearby insurance agent.

Minnesota takes the lead again.

We gave you Franken, Dayton, Mondale, and here we are taking the lead again in marching toward a brighter future. You can thank us later.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:05 PM

No worries, the NSA has all that info anyway…they use it when they need to.

d1carter on October 1, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Le Glitches:
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Speaker John Boehner ‏@SpeakerBoehner 2h

#ObamaCare opens amid “glitches,” “meltdowns” http://j.mp/1hjcYi0 While POTUS, Senate Dems refuse to provide #FairnessForAll Americans
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Speaker John Boehner ‏@SpeakerBoehner 3h

Via @weeklystandard: #Obamacare’s “Minnesota, Connecticut, & Oregon Exchanges filled w/glitches” http://j.mp/18KhBPp
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https://twitter.com/SpeakerBoehner

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 9:19 PM

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 10:06 PM

McAfee: Exchanges Will Become Target Of Hackers And Identity Thieves The World Over

Security firm McAfee warned Tuesday that hackers are likely to take advantage of the rollout of ObamaCare exchanges this week by launching phishing attacks aimed at stealing personal information.

Phishing attacks are designed to dupe users into revealing credit-card numbers or other confidential data by delivering phony links or attachments in emails and messages on social media sites.

“I can say with a high degree of certainty that they will come. We live in a world where people look at compelling events and look to do something malicious. This is just the nature of the beast,” said Gary Davis, vice president of global consumer marketing at McAfee, which is owned by Intel (INTC).

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:07 PM

I heard ObamaCare will be rum by DMV trainees who flunked the eye exam.

SparkPlug on October 1, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Sounds as if most exchanges weren’t even able to collect that much data…?

d1carter on October 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Minnesota takes the lead again.

We gave you Franken, Dayton, Mondale, and here we are taking the lead again in marching toward a brighter future. You can thank us later.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Bishop:

Minnesota takes IT IN THE SHORTS AGAIN,……*Fixed*:0
(snark)

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Hacker banks in East Europe working overtime.

If you listen, you can hear the North Koreans hacking away too…

patman77 on October 1, 2013 at 10:10 PM

The system is so porous that a simple mistake can send off thousands of people’s private info into the void, shouldn’t the damn thing be a bit more secure?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Hacker banks in East Europe working overtime.

If you listen, you can hear the North Koreans hacking away too…

patman77 on October 1, 2013 at 10:10 PM

‘How DARE you forget us!’

- Nigerian ‘princes’ and ‘bankers’

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Hopey/Glitchy/Changey!!

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 10:13 PM

The system twerked.

SparkPlug on October 1, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Remember when google and amazon crashed the first day they opened?

Oh. I see.

lorien1973 on October 1, 2013 at 10:15 PM

The Feds should have hired the “Girls Gone Wild” subscription people. I have heard there is no escape.

HICON on October 1, 2013 at 10:17 PM

We’re from the government and we’re here to help you………

d1carter on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Okay, I’ve done some site design on a VERY small scale. Input on a form is NOT that difficult to set up. I can see scalability being a problem, but the forms for the security questions being BLANK, etc.? With this amount of “glitches” on the simple form part of the process, how much security can there be on the rest of it?

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 10:19 PM

21 people enrolled in the CT exchange by noon. 21. No matter how you pretzel it that’s some bad news.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:19 PM

When asked about this, Nanzi Peelousi said, “They have to hack your account to see what’s in it.”

predator on October 1, 2013 at 10:20 PM

I can hear the whirring machinations of a rube Goldberg contraption as it grinds to a standstill with smoke billowing out of its gear box stinking up the clueless ambiance of another liberal pipe dreams.

SparkPlug on October 1, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Who will be the first young person to sue the feds for denial of coverage once they realize that after having decided to wait and pay a penalty,get sick, and then miss the open enrollment window periods, are left SOL.

I am thinking this will be a pretty common experience.

can_con on October 1, 2013 at 10:21 PM

dream (singular)

SparkPlug on October 1, 2013 at 10:22 PM

predator on October 1, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Lolz. I went in for a tonsillectomy and they removed my left nut.

SparkPlug on October 1, 2013 at 10:23 PM

I can hear the whirring machinations of a rube Goldberg contraption as it grinds to a standstill with smoke billowing out of its gear box stinking up the clueless ambiance of another liberal pipe dreams.

SparkPlug on October 1, 2013 at 10:21 PM

So, THAT was what DaVerb was inhaling earlier today!

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:23 PM

First KNOWN Obamacare security breach leaks 2,400 Americans’ info

.
MKH – You need to be sure to be accurate in your headlines.

;)

PolAgnostic on October 1, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Off the cuff, rammed down your throat national healthcare with 2000 pages of legislation and 20,000 pages of regulations.

And it’s not working? Got glitches?

Huh.

fogw on October 1, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Let me try my hand at this:

As you know, the Affordable Care Act just opened the promised health insurance exchanges. That means it is time for all Americans to sign up for this free health insurance, and we do not want you to miss your chance. Please go to: thissiteisforstupidpeople.com to register yourself and your family. Answer a few simple questions and you can be signed up to begin receiving ACA benefits today! It’s not just great… it’s the LAW!

There you go. Just like that with a website link that doesn’t even have to go to the same website listed, a short form asking for everyone’s information, and there’s no need for your private information to be “mistakenly” laid anywhere. You just gave it to the scammers for free. And tell me if there aren’t a BUNCH of people who wouldn’t fall for something like this in the next three months or so.

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 10:24 PM

It’s.The.Law.

SouthernGent on October 1, 2013 at 10:25 PM

can_con on October 1, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Who will be the first to sue the administration when s/he is denied coverage or treatment?

‘Healthcare is a RIGHT in this country!’

- President Barack Obama

If healthcare is your right, how can the government deny it to you?

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Many Obamacare supporters emphasized that the “giltches” in exchanges today are no biggie. They’ll be ironed out quickly, they’re a “great problem to have,” they’re only happening because so very many people want to sign up.

Then, there were the other Obamacare supporters…

Libs See Tea Party, Koch Brothers Conspiracy In Obamacare Website Glitches…

U.N.H.I.N.G.E.D.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Because the simple Occam’s Razor conclusion that their system launch was no more well-thought-out than Google Chrome’s would be much too simple for their highly-trained, intellectually superior minds. Who knows, they might even be smarter than Majikthise and Vroomfondel.

As for glitches being “a great problem to have”, yes, having them up front is better than having them develop over time and clobber you down the road. (As anyone who has ever tried to use any version of IE will attest.)

But that also presupposes you have somebody smart enough to fix them. Since Ms. Sybilious* has almost certainly followed the administration’s SOP of not hiring anyone who could show her up in the IQ department, and she has about the IQ of my shoe sole on most subjects, I suspect this statement will come back to haunt her.

(*Yes, I know it’s spelled “Sebelius”, but this strikes me as more descriptive of what’s between her ears.)

clear ether

eon

eon on October 1, 2013 at 10:26 PM

I’m figuring about 2,400 people were able to register today.
Oh!
Yep.

RovesChins on October 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM

As for glitches being “a great problem to have”, yes, having them up front is better than having them develop over time and clobber you down the road. (As anyone who has ever tried to use any version of IE will attest.)

Who’s to say that won’t happen too? I fully expect it.

Glitches after all are a feature not a bug with this bunch!

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 10:28 PM

They’ll be ironed out quickly, they’re a “great problem to have,” they’re only happening because so very many people want to sign up.

People don’t “want to sign up”, they have NO CHOICE. They are being FORCED by the federal government to either go to that website and get insurance or pay a fine and do without insurance.

The existing health insurance companies are being FORCED by the federal government to cancel existing policies and kick them into Obamacare exchanges.

Use of the site is not a sign of acceptance, or favor.

Republicans that use the Obamacare site are not ‘hypocrites’ any more than we are if we pay taxes to the IRS that we maintain are too high, or comply with federal gun laws that we believe are too restrictive.

slickwillie2001 on October 1, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Lolz. I went in for a tonsillectomy and they removed my left nut.

SparkPlug on October 1, 2013 at 10:23 PM

That’s what ya get for havin’ low-hanging tonsils. :D

predator on October 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Libs See Tea Party, Koch Brothers Conspiracy In Obamacare Website Glitches…

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:05 PM

HA! If all of us uneducated, knuckle-dragging rubes can incapacitate BarryCare before it starts, just maybe it isn’t ready for prime time.

obladioblada on October 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM

So many exchanges, so many hacking targets. Ah to be a hacker today.

JimK on October 1, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Well this is working about as good as I expected…

sandee on October 1, 2013 at 10:30 PM

If healthcare is your right, how can the government deny it to you?

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Backed themselves into a rhetorical corner with that one didn’t they? Not sure how it would play out legally, but will be interesting to watch.

can_con on October 1, 2013 at 10:30 PM

21 people enrolled in the CT exchange by noon. 21. No matter how you pretzel it that’s some bad news.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:19 PM

It’ll be interesting to see if the government releases any data tomorrow on how many people signed up nationwide. The most frequently asked question on the Obamacare site was reportedly the question about how to get exempted from the requirement to purchase an Obamacare policy.

AZCoyote on October 1, 2013 at 10:31 PM

The 1st..

bazil9 on October 1, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Who will be the first young person to sue the feds for denial of coverage once they realize that after having decided to wait and pay a penalty,get sick, and then miss the open enrollment window periods, are left SOL.

I am thinking this will be a pretty common experience.

can_con on October 1, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Probably a hippie with tattoo hep C infection overloaded on molly, or an 11-yr-old illegal alien looking for an abortion.

Getting sick doesn’t always happen on accident.

patman77 on October 1, 2013 at 10:32 PM

HA! If all of us uneducated, knuckle-dragging rubes can incapacitate BarryCare before it starts, just maybe it isn’t ready for prime time.

obladioblada on October 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Maybe, we should start calling it 404Care.

Snicker.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:32 PM

This program is a monster. Don’t let it take root.
Defund it, now!

anotherJoe on October 1, 2013 at 10:33 PM

21 people enrolled in the CT exchange by noon. 21. No matter how you pretzel it that’s some bad news.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:19 PM

And, 11,000 had visited the site by that time.

So, if you decided to give a party and invited 11,000 people but only 21 actually showed up, would it be a smashing success?

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Maybe, we should start calling it 404Care.

Snicker.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:32 PM

LOL

bazil9 on October 1, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Many Obamacare supporters emphasized that the “giltches” in exchanges today are no biggie. They’ll be ironed out quickly, they’re a “great problem to have,” they’re only happening because so very many people want to sign up.

Exactly! Just like every time you call customer support at the cable company and get put on hold for 45 minutes and have to listen to looped recording of “we’re experiencing unexpectedly high call volume.” They experience the “unexpectedly” high volume 24/7/365 for year after year– and it remains all so unexpected.

obladioblada on October 1, 2013 at 10:35 PM

This program is a monster. Don’t let it take root.
Defund it, now!

anotherJoe on October 1, 2013 at 10:33 PM

That’s a GREAT idea!

RovesChins on October 1, 2013 at 10:35 PM

21 people enrolled in the CT exchange by noon. 21. No matter how you pretzel it that’s some bad news.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:19 PM


Sooo …
Their are ONLY 21 village idiots in CT?

PolAgnostic on October 1, 2013 at 10:35 PM

I tried Maryland’s site in an attempt to be charitable to Obamacare and offset my own bias somewhat.

Charitable? Bias? It’s simple common sense to be skeptical of an administration that has never shown it’s concerned with the well-being of the country or that it makes an effort to run anything efficiently. That scorpion isn’t going to suddenly decide it doesn’t want to sting. These people are not your friend nor have they ever demonstrated they want to make life better for anyone but themselves and their cronies.

INC on October 1, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Connecticut Healthcare Exchange Sees 28K Visitors But Only 167 Applications For Insurance

Evening All

CoffeeLover on October 1, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Evening CL!

I got an OOPS message on your link.

bazil9 on October 1, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Train Wreck before the train even arrived, only the demorats could manage to do that.

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Connecticut Healthcare Exchange Sees 28K Visitors But Only 167 Applications For Insurance

Evening All

CoffeeLover on October 1, 2013 at 10:37 PM

I take back every bad word that I’ve ever said about Obamacare. Obviously, it’s a SMASHING CRASHING SUCCESS!

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Today was the day Jennifer Hudson et al. were pitching, and today was a bust.

The same applies to Jennifer Hudson.

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 10:41 PM

And you gotta know that all these exchanges are pipelining your data somehow to the IRS with the NSA overlords. just wait……lol

can_con on October 1, 2013 at 10:42 PM

And here’s the answer to somebody’s question:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/01/administration-will-not-release-number-of-obamacare-enrollees-on-opening-day/

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Truth is busting out all over. The boot-licker media is conducting all-night strategy sessions on how to make this shinola sandwich look like baloney. Everybody loves baloney, right? Right?!?!

Naturally Curly on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 PM

B9 now? It’s from weaselzippers

CoffeeLover on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 PM

B9 now? It’s from weaselzippers

CoffeeLover on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 PM

nah, got a 404error

bazil9 on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Remember they told us healthcare is a right. Sure, a right to ruin our country in many ways.

mobydutch on October 1, 2013 at 10:49 PM

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/01/connecticut-healthcare-exchange-sees-28k-visitors-but-only-167-applications-for-insurance/

B9 I also put it up this way on QOTD thread…don’t know how I ended up there. But this is the blurb.

CoffeeLover on October 1, 2013 at 10:49 PM

The system is so porous that a simple mistake can send off thousands of people’s private info into the void, shouldn’t the damn thing be a bit more secure?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Why would the Federal Government care about protecting peoples’ data? There’s no incentive for them to do it. Because they’re a government entity they’re essentially immune from basic customer service requirements any normal insurance company would have. I am honestly expecting identity theft on a scale never before seen in this country.

For those of us who are video gamers, remember when Sony lost peoples’ credit card data in 2011? http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/26/us-sony-stoldendata-idUSTRE73P6WB20110426 Now imagine 77 million SS numbers being stolen with no way to have them changed, and imagine it being done over and over again, and no legal recourse to punish the government for giving your data away to thieves.

And here’s the answer to somebody’s question:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/01/administration-will-not-release-number-of-obamacare-enrollees-on-opening-day/

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 10:43 PM

I would bet no more than 5,000 people across the entire country successfully enrolled. If the numbers were at ALL good they would be screaming them from the rooftops.

Doomberg on October 1, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Nothing to see here folks, please disperse. Please disperse.

Its not hackers, but right wing extremist tea party hackers! DDOS attacks! Its not like say, millions trying to log onto poorly coded website and overloaded servers right? This is “Error 37″ all over again (video game Diablo 3). Except, its you know, not a game but dealing with people’s health n’ stuff n’ junk. Possibly their lives.

Get ready for more stories like this folks:

http://www.fedupusa.org/2013/10/obamacare-just-gave-me-a-death-sentence/

So, I wonder whats going on in the background today hmm? Any treaties being signed? Wars? Gun running?

oryguncon on October 1, 2013 at 10:58 PM

TRAIN WRECK!

GarandFan on October 1, 2013 at 10:59 PM

This leak is two weeks old.

Come on, MKH, this is partisan muckraking.

p0s3r on October 1, 2013 at 11:00 PM

ObamaCare facebook page filled with complaints.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/01/Obamacare-Facebook-Flooded-With-Complaints

JellyToast on October 1, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Mr. Arkadian weeps with joy.

Murphy9 on October 1, 2013 at 11:02 PM

This also from the State Of Maryland

Review out-of-pocket costs carefully

The application’s built in calculator may underestimate total out-of-pocket costs in some cases. Remember that if you are eligible for reductions in cost sharing, only silver plans will qualify. So a bronze plan might cost less in premium, but more in total out of pocket cost. We expect this to be fixed in the very near future, so if you would prefer, please check back in the next several weeks.

casey92 on October 1, 2013 at 11:07 PM

This leak is two weeks old.

Come on, MKH, this is partisan muckraking.

p0s3r on October 1, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Eat sh!t, you hack.

RovesChins on October 1, 2013 at 11:12 PM

It’ll be interesting to see if the government releases any data tomorrow on how many people signed up nationwide. The most frequently asked question on the Obamacare site was reportedly the question about how to get exempted from the requirement to purchase an Obamacare policy.

AZCoyote on October 1, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Oh look, I don’t even have to wait for tomorrow to find out that the opening day was bad:

And here’s the answer to somebody’s question:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/01/administration-will-not-release-number-of-obamacare-enrollees-on-opening-day/

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 10:43 PM

The fact that they’re not releasing the numbers means the numbers were bad. Quelle surprise.

AZCoyote on October 1, 2013 at 11:15 PM

These early technical glitches are NOT the problem with Obamacare.

Stop dwelling on them.

blink on October 1, 2013 at 11:21 PM

No, really? I had no idea that was the case. But hey, my so called willing to negociate dem representative came out today with a statement blaming tea party extremists and has talked about how there is a ton of “misinformation about ACA out there”.

These “glitches” are rampant and it shows they can’t do even the basics right. You think the obumblescare supporters are going to talk about principles? See above. They’re using emotion, rhetoric to slam and shame the GOP etc.. Shove it all back at them goddammit! And throw in arguments based on the principles to hammer the ideas home.

oryguncon on October 1, 2013 at 11:29 PM

This also from the State Of Maryland

Review out-of-pocket costs carefully

The application’s built in calculator may underestimate total out-of-pocket costs in some cases. Remember that if you are eligible for reductions in cost sharing, only silver plans will qualify. So a bronze plan might cost less in premium, but more in total out of pocket cost. We expect this to be fixed in the very near future, so if you would prefer, please check back in the next several weeks.

casey92 on October 1, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Good information, thanks.

Come on, MKH, this is partisan muckraking.

p0s3r on October 1, 2013 at 11:00 PM

It’s partisan muckraking to demonstrate the people working on Obamacare don’t have the slightest idea about how to protect confidential data?

I think the only partisan muckraker here is you.

Doomberg on October 1, 2013 at 11:30 PM

McAfee: Exchanges Will Become Target Of Hackers And Identity Thieves The World Over

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Every other computer professional in the known world: Duh!

Just saying, it’s not like McAfee has some brilliant or controversial insight here. It is just that obvious.

Oh, well. Maybe the people who are impressed by a Big Name will pay attention.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 1, 2013 at 11:32 PM

These early technical glitches are NOT the problem with Obamacare.

Stop dwelling on them.

blink on October 1, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Okay, how about the hospital that just got stiffed $45 million because of OCare?

Or the family whose premium went from $115 a month to $237 a month, but they can’t be insured because the father could get insurance from his work, but they prefer the wife’s work, but once you turn down one, you are not eligible for the other?

Or how about the train wreck that starts Jan. 1, 2014 when these things have to actually WORK for the people who are signing up?

I’m willing to talk about ALL of them and more. This thing is a disaster, and I don’t really care from which angle you choose to talk about it.

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Every other computer professional in the known world: Duh!

Just saying, it’s not like McAfee has some brilliant or controversial insight here. It is just that obvious.

Oh, well. Maybe the people who are impressed by a Big Name will pay attention.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 1, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Frightening thing is how incredibly easy it will be to pull this scam off. I think I could even do it, and I’m not a computer genius by any stretch of the imagination.

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Who said they needed to hire competent employees?

EdmundBurke247 on October 1, 2013 at 11:43 PM

It’s been in “effect” for one day and already…

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/new-health-care-law-leaves-grady-45-million-short/nbCp8/

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Who said they needed to hire competent employees?

EdmundBurke247 on October 1, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Or honest ones?

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Is there anybody else who is unimpressed with the website traffic that Obama is crowing about? I’m reading numbers like a million, two million…wouldn’t you expect that, just out of mild curiosity?

For some, Obamacare IS a great deal. But once again it’s about income redistribution. The not-too-well-off get subsidized with tax credits, the rich don’t care, and the people who work hard get screwed.

bobs1196 on October 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM

“Obamacare tech”

LOL!

Either the NSA or the Chinese are stealing your info.
Maybe some guy in a call-center in India.

Have fun, and enjoy your wealth from that unfortunate
African prince who will send you an email very soon.

shorebird on October 1, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Guys here is an intresting little known fact… I knew it was in there somewhere… here are some of the penalties:

“I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance. I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”"

watertown on October 1, 2013 at 11:49 PM

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 1, 2013 at 11:32 PM

You know it. I know it. Most of HA knows it.

Ordinary people probably haven’t even thought of the problem.

A name like McAfee, which they know, carries a lot more sway with them than do we.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Arresting and threatening to arrest WWII vets who are going to visit their own open-air memorial that never has guards… unless apparently there’s a government shutdown. This ought to go over well:

http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2013/10/01/unreal-park-service-threatens-arrest-wwii-vets-try-visit-memorial/

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 11:51 PM

I’ll be damned if I’d put my Social Security number into one of these untested databases today

– MKH

No Joke! Who are the fools putting their SSN#s into the Alpha? Probably the same people that would consider buying a Volt. Anyway, signing up for this is going to be the tip of this disaster. The big losers at first are going to be the internists and family physicians. They are screwed.

BoxHead1 on October 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Who said they needed to hire competent employees?

EdmundBurke247 on October 1, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Or honest ones?

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Fraud Firm Gets OK to Sign People Up for ObamaCare

Rampant fraud on a New York City contract last year didn’t stop a major nonprofit from landing a slew of federal contracts to sign people up for ObamaCare.

Seedco, a New York-based community-development organization, was sued by the federal government for faking at least 1,400 of 6,500 job placements under a $22.2 million federally funded contract with the city.

slickwillie2001 on October 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Guys here is an intresting little known fact… I knew it was in there somewhere… here are some of the penalties:

“I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance. I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.””

watertown on October 1, 2013 at 11:49 PM

I guess you didn’t read the bill to find out what was in it…

shorebird on October 1, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Just saw a headline about the shutdown on a normally “low-information” site. It said, “Government Shuts Down as Law Makers Trade Blame.”

I’m curious why it didn’t simply lay the whole thing at the feet of the Republicans like they all did at first.

UnderstandingisPower on October 2, 2013 at 12:05 AM

When asked about this, Nanzi Peelousi said, “They have to hack your account to see what’s in it.”

predator on October 1, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Indeed.

AesopFan on October 2, 2013 at 1:56 AM

The system is so porous that a simple mistake can send off thousands of people’s private info into the void, shouldn’t the damn thing be a bit more secure?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 10:10 PM

But the SC ruled in Roe vs. Wade that women had a right to privacy with their doctor. So the socialist women’s groups apparently and eagerly swapped all that for the leering eyes of a gazillion inept bureaucrats.

Privacy (which is now dead in America) has nothing to do with Obamacare which is policed by–of all ludicrous things–IRS.

Don L on October 2, 2013 at 2:24 AM

Well! If NSYNC is for it, who is to say no?

John the Libertarian on October 2, 2013 at 2:41 AM

Two days now trying to get into the healthcafre.gov site. no luck. Finally my browser gave me this error message.

This Connection is Untrusted
You have asked Firefox to connect securely to http://www.healthcare.gov, but we can’t confirm that your connection is secure.
Normally, when you try to connect securely, sites will present trusted identification to prove that you are going to the right place. However, this site’s identity can’t be verified.
What Should I Do?
If you usually connect to this site without problems, this error could mean that someone is trying to impersonate the site, and you shouldn’t continue.
Get me out of here!
Technical Details I Understand the Risks

jpcpt03 on October 2, 2013 at 3:49 AM

Obamacare navigators: ACORN v. 2.0

petefrt on October 2, 2013 at 5:52 AM

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