Is the shutdown “the beginning of the end for Washington”?

posted at 12:01 pm on October 1, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The normally more reserved Ron Fournier thinks so.  The National Journal analyst foresees a “Millenial revolution” on the cusp of the breakdown in functionality in Washington DC, and the GOP tearing itself to pieces will give them the opening to … do something:

Step back. Try for a moment to extrapolate what a government shutdown and discredited U.S. currency could do to the economy and the public’s faith in government. Think beyond next year’s congressional elections or even the 2016 presidential race. Factor in existing demographic and social trends. I did, and this is what I concluded:

1. The Republican Party is marginalizing itself to the brink of extinction.

2. President Obama can’t capitulate to GOP demands to unwind the fairly legislated and litigated Affordable Care Act. To do so would be political malpractice and a poor precedent for future presidents.

3. Despite the prior two points, Obama and his party won’t escape voters’ wrath. Democrats are less at fault but not blameless.

4. This may be the beginning of the end of Washington as we know it. A rising generation of pragmatic, non-ideological voters is appalled by the dysfunctional leadership of their parents and grandparents. History may consider October 2013 their breaking point. There will come a time when Millennials aren’t just mad as hell; they won’t take it anymore.

I think he’s wrong on a couple of points, but hits the nail on the head later in his piece on another point, to which I’ll return in a moment.  For right now, though, consider the countertheory that the “Millenial revolution” has already taken place, and that it was manifest in Barack Obama’s two elections.  He’s a little too old to be a millenial himself (whereas Bill Clinton really was a “boomer”), but he won his first election largely on the surge in millenial voters who bought into his vision of “hope and change.” Arguably they made the difference in 2012, too, part of the “low-information voter” set that Obama pursued with an entertainment-media strategy that worked around the traditional news outlets that serve older, more connected voters.

What has that bought the millenials? Despite Obama’s promises to be a centrist, he’s governed as a determined leftist, mostly diffident to actual negotiation and compromise.  The job market in the so-called recovery has been the worst in a generation for young workers, who are now carrying far more college debt than ever.  Now, thanks to ObamaCare, they will be forced into comprehensive health insurance at rates far above the benefits they will eventually use, which subsidizes older and less healthy Americans in one of the weirdest wealth-transfer schemes ever.  When those bills come due, the disillusionment will be dramatic.

That leads us to Fournier’s better point:

Remember the central promise of Obama’s presidency: He will change the culture of Washington. What happened? Obama has not only been taken hostage by the worst of Washington, gridlock and pettiness, but he seems to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome. His criticism of the GOP last week was as petulant as any GOP talking point. While announcing historic negotiations with Iran, a regime that sponsors terrorism, Obama said he wouldn’t bargain with the GOP. …

The strange thing is that Obamacare could be a good issue for the GOP. It is an unpopular law freighted with complexity. Successful implementation requires precision from an Obama team that has proved itself weak on the nitty-gritty of governing. One could argue that the GOP is fighting Obamacare at its peak strength – prior to implementation. Why not wait for it to go into effect, seize on the flaws and, as Cole says, win some elections?

That was my argument today, too:

A huge amount of political damage awaits the White House and Democrats running in midterm elections. Health-care prices are skyrocketing over 2013 premium rates, a fact that HHS tried to dodge by claiming that the exchange prices came in “lower than projected,” when in fact they had compared the prices to projections for 2016, not 2014. Former Romney adviser Avik Roy and the Manhattan Institute ran the actual numbers and found that prices rose across the board by more than a third, and by 97 percent for younger men (55 to 62 percent for younger women), and that subsidies won’t make up the difference for many if not most of them.

The White House then tried to argue that the monthly premium rate would be negligible under the exchanges no matter how much they’ve gone up. Obama himself said that the exchanges would allow consumers to buy “good health insurance for the price of your cellphone bill or less.” The Associated Press pointed out, though, that the “bronze” plans Obama referenced required a lot more out-of-pocket costs for consumers as well. “Those who choose bronze will have to pay 40 percent of their medical bills out of pocket through deductibles and copayments,” the AP wrote in its fact check. “A family’s share of medical costs could go as high as $12,700 a year, or $6,350 for individuals, on top of those cell-phone-like premiums.” The upcoming price bomb will hit in the three months of open registration for the January 1 mandate deadline, when all of these expectations of lower premiums and better coverage come crashing down on the 85 percent of Americans who had health insurance four years ago, when 87 percent of those liked their coverage just fine.

At this point, why should Republicans fight to delay that illusion-busting event for another year? Without control of the Senate, the GOP cannot force a delay or defunding of ObamaCare. Their best strategy now is to get Democrats on the record re-endorsing the individual mandate and the congressional exemption provided by the White House to the unpopular bill — and then get out of the way.

If anything, this entire episode may either provide millenials with more rationalizations for apathy or a gigantic distaste for big-government solutions, or both.  I’d look more for the Millenial Backlash than the Millenial Revolution, and don’t expect Republicans to bear the brunt of it, especially if they can get out of the way of ObamaCare’s flop.

Besides, government shutdowns have happened quite a few times before, and the political world kept right on turning. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.


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Unbelievable number of BS assumptions just in the first few lines, Fournier. “fairly legislated and litigated” ACA – Bullshiite! It was rammed through in a reconciliation trick with ZERO bipartisan support. Then Benedict Roberts re-wrote ACA into a “tax” to make it seem fairly litigated. Now this one: “extremists who oppose governing… represented by Sen. Ted Cruz” – More bullshiite, Fournier. Ever heard of the US Constitution and its enumerated powers? No, I didn’t think so. However, Ted Cruz has, and is only working to restore CONSTITUTIONAL government, and avert the fascist nanny-state we are currently morphing into.

Harbingeing on October 1, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Did you see The Voice last night? That chick with the odd hair, wow could she sing.

The what? Budget…what?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Is the shutdown “the beginning of the end for Washington”?

The government has been in partial shutdown for 12 hours. Less than six hours of business hours. It would seem a tad early to be reaching conclusions about the beginning of the end for Washington.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Millenials that are out of work and living at home? Those guys?

p0s3r on October 1, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Remember the central promise of Obama’s presidency: He will change the culture of Washington. What happened? Obama has not only been taken hostage by the worst of Washington, gridlock and pettiness, but he seems to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome. His criticism of the GOP last week was as petulant as any GOP talking point. While announcing historic negotiations with Iran, a regime that sponsors terrorism, Obama said he wouldn’t bargain with the GOP. …

Whatever type of chemicals you are taking they are certainly illegal.

Anyone with hears to hear and eyes to see knew Obama would govern in the manner he has.

chemman on October 1, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Did you see The Voice last night? That chick with the odd hair, wow could she sing.

The what? Budget…what?

Bishop on October 1, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Agree. I find it hard to believe that the so-called Millenials give a rodent’s behind about Congress.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 12:08 PM

President Obama can’t capitulate to GOP demands to unwind the fairly legislated and litigated Affordable Care Act. To do so would be political malpractice and a poor precedent for future presidents.

But he is apparently FINE with the precedent now set several times over (Fast & Furious, border security, DOMA, O-care) with a president who literally picks and chooses which parts of laws he/she wants to enforce on political whims. That part is hunky-dorey, right?

Oh, and “fairly legislated and litigated”? I expect this bald-faced LIAR to be struck by lightning at any moment. If you’re standing around him, I would MOVE!

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 12:08 PM

It’s Obama’s fault.

Punchenko on October 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Is the shutdown “the beginning of the end for Washington”?

I doubt it, but the end of DC as its come to be is worth striving for, getting back to its limited Constitutional roots, reverting more power and responsibilities back to the states.

hawkeye54 on October 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Millennials in the Workplace Training Video

sentinelrules on October 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM

I wish

bgibbs1000 on October 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM

CongressJeantel Slaughter last night

“In 15 minutes the congress will be worthless”.

Aside from “you like” truer words were never spoken.

Schadenfreude on October 1, 2013 at 12:12 PM

I hope the gov’t remains shut for at least two weeks until the US status goes to junk bonds.

Schadenfreude on October 1, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Check this post out over at Ace.

http://minx.cc/?post=343817

NotCoach on October 1, 2013 at 12:13 PM

“you like lie” was the truest statement, ever.

Schadenfreude on October 1, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Ted Cruz: House should pass individual CRs to re-fund the ‘parade of horribles’ Obama said he’d shut down

This is why I love Ted Cruz. He thinks like a fighter. He told Laura Ingraham this morning that for the things Obama said he would shut down like the VA and National Parks, the house should vote on individual CRs to put the funding back in the VA and the National Parks and then send to the Senate. Cruz said we should do it for everything in the ‘parade of horribles’ Obama mentioned yesterday that he would shut down.

INC on October 1, 2013 at 12:13 PM

The normally more reserved Ron Fournier thinks so. The National Journal analyst foresees a “Millenial revolution” on the cusp of the breakdown in functionality in Washington DC, and the GOP tearing itself to pieces will give them the opening to … do something:

You voted for this, yes we can, si se puede, win the future, hope and change.
Swallow it hard.
They’ll have to get mommy to make them a snack first.

RovesChins on October 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM

the fairly legislated and litigated Affordable Care Act.

Stopped right there.

OldEnglish on October 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Democrats have made a serious miscalculation with their shutdown. However they feel about Republicans, the electorate hates government more– especially the boomtown that DC has become on taxpayer dollars and fat cat corporate donors while the rest of the country is struggling to hang on. There isn’t going to be a popular uprising to force the Republicans into line so we can pay for more of the same.

As for Republicans getting out of the way of Obamacare, as Obie made clear yesterday the government slowdown doesn’t affect Obamacare. He’s going to regret saying that as much as his “red line” challenge to Syria. Because we now have it from the horse’s mouth that Obamacare is imploding– fully funded. Nothing the Republicans have done have changed that. The funding OR the implosion.

de rigueur on October 1, 2013 at 12:16 PM

The Communists want the People to give up.

When the People give up, they quit caring, and when they quit caring, the State grows stronger and larger – because the People just don’t give a shit, anymore. When the People just don’t give a shit, anymore, the State is able to and will freely confiscate their Power. [Power only exists in two place - in the State or in the People]

Not giving a shit, anymore, is the pinnacle of the Socialist State.

Not giving a shit, anymore, is Utopia.

Utopia is the People giving up.

OhEssYouCowboys on October 1, 2013 at 12:17 PM

The libs tell you what they fear.
The longer the shutdown goes on, the better it is for conservatives. Not only do Americans realize they don’t need the feds, but it also makes the Dems look intransigent for not even being willing to compromise.

Iblis on October 1, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Oh, and “fairly legislated and litigated”? I expect this bald-faced LIAR to be struck by lightning at any moment. If you’re standing around him, I would MOVE!

UnderstandingisPower on October 1, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Lets not be unfair here, he won’t be struck down buy lightning, sicne he probably has no idea that is a lie. Can’t fault him for his lifetime of indoctrination in place of real education and a reinforced lack of inquisitiveness and desire to discover the truth.

hawkeye54 on October 1, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Peter Roff at the US News and World Report sees it like this:

Truth be told, Obama and Reid want a shutdown – unless they get everything they want. That means not just the survival of Obamacare but the busting of the spending caps so that the federal spigot can be turned back on and the money can start flowing once again to the constituent groups that are such an important part of the Democrat’s electoral coalition. Anyone who doubts this should just look at the way the White House has been handing out waivers on Obamacare and to whom. In the political sense, they’re the next best thing to cash.

There are some in the conservative coalition who really do want to force a government shutdown as they see it as the only way, the last gasp if you will, to stop Obamacare before it starts to be implemented. What most of the Washington punditocracy won’t tell you is that the White House, Harry Reid and the Democrats want a shutdown just as much if not more They see it as the pathway back to control of the House after the 2014 election, which would allow Obama to finish his term much the same way he started it – with no checks and balances on him whatsoever.

This is all just a means to the desired end – and in the cynical accounting of Obama / Reid / Progressive-fascists – it’s all about the ends and any means that can achieve the ends are acceptable regardless of the fallout.

The fight here over the FY2014 budget – which started over half a year ago when the House approved a $3.5T budget, the Senate a $3.7T budget, and the WH wants a nearly $3.8T budget – and the desire of the left to spend, spend, spend, as they Cloward & Piven their way to ‘fundamental change’ of an unjust and unfair system in an unjust and unfair country.

In FY2007, the last year of a ‘pure’ GOP Budget, we spent about $2.6T and had a budget deficit of $161B. The total national debt was about 65% of GDP – around $8.5T. That was in the era of Obama and the rest of the progressive-fascists calling the debt ‘unsustainable’ and castigated the ‘irresponsible’ spending of the GOP.

Today, 5 years after Obama took office, we are still having MONTHS that have a larger deficit than the entire year of FY2007. Obama wants to spend about $1.2T MORE this year than we spent just 6 years ago….and even with record setting revenues, we’re still going to add $600B – $800B to our now nearly $17T in debt (106% of GDP).

The GOP is supposed to just surrender to this. We’re just supposed to surrender to this.

If we do, then we, as a nation, are lost. This is where we make our stand. The ‘pain’ now is so much less than the pain we will all feel if we do not make this stand or just surrender because it’s the easier path.

Athos on October 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM

….right

KOOLAID2 on October 1, 2013 at 12:26 PM

I’ve given up hope of living in a land where liberty is the paramount ideology driving society in the future.

Government is now our caretaker and enslaver. I’ve changed my party affiliation, I’ve stopped going to townhalls. I’ve stopped donating. There’s nothing we can do since the statists will be firmly in control and voted into office in perpetuity – since its literally impossible to compete with the “free stuff” statists.

I’m considering my options – I’m blessed by the fact that my job allows me to work from anywhere with an internet connection, and my wife is a physician and therefore can always find a job.

I’m thinking that I’m going to disappear to a Caribbean island somewhere and just not care anymore.

Defenestratus on October 1, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Not only do Americans realize they don’t need the feds, but it also makes the Dems look intransigent for not even being willing to compromise.

It always seems the GOP has been the saps portrayed as stubbornly unwilling to compromise, with much help from the LSM, which always means caving in to what the dems demand.

hawkeye54 on October 1, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Whys come you got no tattoo?

Folks, we’re already at Idiocracy here in America. The millenials are incapable of learning a lesson, no matter how painful. Amnesty goes through, and we’re done–we’re officially a third-world nation.

The only thing capable of saving the US now is a massive eugenics push. And how many people have the testicular fortitude to a) accept that fact, and b) implement it?

ex_machina on October 1, 2013 at 12:30 PM

I hope the gov’t remains shut for at least two weeks until the US status goes to junk bonds.

Me too! It’s time for the insanity to stop. Time to fix our house.

plaidsheetman on October 1, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Some required reading for today…

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cooke

Time for King Putt to get a real lesson on the nature of Constitutional government.

CPT. Charles on October 1, 2013 at 12:33 PM

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Schadenfreude on October 1, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Above s/b in quotes, anonymous

Schadenfreude on October 1, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Hey! It’s 12:32. What happened to the 12:25 Rose Garden tongue lashing from the lazy stupid bastard? FNC has Netanyahu talking about Iran’s nuclear weapons program at the UN.

That’s too serious a subject, I’d much rather hear how government shutdown has hurt Obama.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 12:34 PM

At this point, why should Republicans fight to delay that illusion-busting event for another year?

Ed, maybe I’m confused – weren’t you lobbying *for* this delay back when Cruz was pushing for defunding and ‘delay’ was still ‘Plan B’? Now you think it’s a bad idea?

Midas on October 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM

the fairly legislated and litigated Affordable Care Act.

Big, fat, lie!!!

Schadenfreude on October 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM

I hope the gov’t remains shut for at least two weeks until the US status goes to junk bonds.

As much as I dislike the current situation, I can’t move forward to open my new craft distillery if the federal government remains shut down…

PatriotRider on October 1, 2013 at 12:36 PM

I will not submit to a cabal who read George Orwell’s 1984 not as a terrifying warning, but as an instruction manual. Nor will I submit to the dictates of those who attempt to trample the right of free speech of others in the halls of government who are warning us about the looming tyranny. I refer to those sons of liberty who, as Camus wrote, “are not all legitimate or to be admired. Those who applaud it only when it justifies their privileges and shout nothing but censorship when it threatens them are not on our side.”

If (when) the IRS or HHS or any other such entity attempts to extort a tax or fee of any kind for not participating in mandated commerce, they will be met with resistance. I will not pay any such tax or fee.

Schadenfreude on October 1, 2013 at 12:36 PM

The millenials are incapable of learning a lesson, no matter how painful.

ex_machina on October 1, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Cut the Millenials some slack. It’s tough to learn adult lessons when you are still sleeping in the race car bed you got when you were twelve, your mom still does your laundry, and you are spending your days working on finding what makes you happy.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Heh, millennials haven’t shown they are smart enough to be “mad as hell and not take it anymore”

tbrickert on October 1, 2013 at 12:39 PM

I think between now and when the shutdown ends, someone should keep a running tab of all the stupidly hysterical and off the wall rants Nancy Pelosi makes! I mean, what she said, where she said them, how many people broke out in laughter when she said them, how many times did she break down in crocodile tears, shake her fists, threaten to hold her breath until her face turned blue, etc. etc. etc.

There should be enough for an entire book by the time this thing is over with!

pilamaye on October 1, 2013 at 12:39 PM

One could argue that the GOP is fighting Obamacare at its peak strength – prior to implementation. Why not wait for it to go into effect, seize on the flaws and, as Cole says, win some elections?

Remember, Obamacare is designed to fail. So what are we going to do when it does collapse our healthcare system? Go back to the old, also flawed model? NO. The Fascist-Democrat Party’s next suggestion will be for single payer, e.g. government healthcare. Sounds nice and simple, everyone gets coverage without those balky “exchanges” that didn’t really work anyhow.

That is the marxists’ plan.

rbj on October 1, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Sun came up, citizens are realizing the shutdown didn’t destroy the economy, and the market is up having a great day.

Leave this b1tch shutdown. The longer it goes, the more people will realize that – like the sequester – Obama’s bleatings about doom and destruction are actually a big nothingburger with weaksauce.

Taken with the Day One clusterf*ck that the Obamacare enrollment was predicted to be and is turning out to be, the GOP can smugly increase their demands for a more favorable resolution.

Midas on October 1, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Despite Obama’s promises to be a centrist, he’s governed as a determined leftist, mostly diffident to actual negotiation and compromise.

Don’t you mean “indifferent”? I wouldn’t describe Barack Obama “diffident” in this or any domestic context. He reserves that for foreign enemies.

rrpjr on October 1, 2013 at 12:41 PM

I’m thinking that I’m going to disappear to a Caribbean island somewhere and just not care anymore.

Defenestratus on October 1, 2013 at 12:28 PM

You’ll have to find one that isn’t owned and/or operated by the ChiComs. WSJ has similar story today.

de rigueur on October 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM

As much as I dislike the current situation, I can’t move forward to open my new craft distillery if the federal government remains shut down…

PatriotRider on October 1, 2013 at 12:36 PM

No offense but that really isn’t a compelling reason why the GOP should cave and just go along with Reid and the stupid lazy coward on Obamacare. ;0

Seriously, and I mean this, I don’t think this is the beginning of the end for Washington but I think this is a battle that must be fought. Obamacare is a complete and total failure even before it goes operational. It would be morally wrong to stand aside and let it go through without objection or attempting to change the law.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 12:43 PM

12:45 and the lazy stupid bastard still hasn’t made it to the Rose Garden.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM

History may consider October 2013 their breaking point. There will come a time when Millennials aren’t just mad as hell; they won’t take it anymore.

This is dumber than general election coverage in March. It’s silly season cubed.

If this sentence was in a print newspaper, I would save it to laugh at it 30 years from now.

The only thing that’s going to save this country – in the unlikely scenario that it can be salvaged – is fiscal sustainability, i.e. what is what is now considered frothing polarized ideology.

That being the case, the one thing we can be sure of is that nobody is going to look back on a “pragmatic revolution,” certainly not centered around some irrelevant political theater that really effects nothing except our cable news habits, and certainly not led by my generation which is heavily non-whites who are not interested beyond identity politics and free s—.

HitNRun on October 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM

http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/democrats-mull-divulging-emails-with-boehner-staff-as-shutdown-fight-gets-personal/

Filthy lying scum )&*&*^*^& pieces of ^^#^$*, where’s my nitro pills?

Senate Democrats are considering leaking a series of emails between the chiefs of staff of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Speaker John A. Boehner regarding employer contributions to congressional staff health care plans, multiple top-level sources said late Monday.

Senate Democratic chiefs of staff discussed the emails between Reid chief David Krone and Boehner chief Mike Sommers at a recent meeting, according to a source with direct knowledge of the meeting.

Leaking the emails would be unusual, given the taboo over disclosing personal communications between top staffers. But the missives also would reveal Boehner’s position on employer subsidies for congressional staff. Democrats believe the Ohio Republican’s decision to attach an amendment to revoke those contributions to the most recent House continuing resolution was a direct shot at vulnerable Senate Democrats up in 2014 and would like to highlight the contradiction between Boehner’s public and private stances on the issue.

Senate Democrats believe that Republican efforts to force a vote on what some in the GOP have characterized as a congressional “exemption” are designed to politically corner Democrats like Kay Hagan of North Carolina or Mark Pryor in Arkansas, who represent more conservative states. Democrats contend that Republicans just want to campaign on the issue, while hoping the amendment will not pass.

Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin, D-Ill., described the emails to lobbyists at a dinner on Capitol Hill on Monday night, telling those present that they would be leaked within a day, according to someone who attended the event. When asked if he talked about leaking the emails at dinner, Durbin did not deny the conversation: “I have heard about [the emails] but I have not seen any. … All I’ll say is that I’ve heard there are emails but I have not seen them.”

An aide to Boehner provided a statement about the correspondence late Monday night.

“Any emails from Mr. Sommers will reflect the Speaker’s position: he voted against Obamacare, and he wants to repeal Obamacare. If the Senate Democrats and the White House want to make a ‘fix’ to the law, it would be their fix. The Speaker’s ‘fix’ is repeal,” Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said. “This is just a desperate act by Harry Reid’s staff to protect their own subsidy.”

Reid’s spokesman declined to comment.


Someone ought to post this link on these Senator’s home pages on FB or stick it to them on Twitter.

PappyD61 on October 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM

…..and HOW did they get these emails?

NSA buddies?

Eric Holder?

Janet?

PappyD61 on October 1, 2013 at 12:51 PM

It is an unpopular law freighted with complexity.

Wow – where to even begin. Fournier is basically describing a nuclear b@mb as ladyfingers or sparklers.

LetsBfrank on October 1, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Today, 5 years after Obama took office, we are still having MONTHS that have a larger deficit than the entire year of FY2007.

You have a questionable grasp of economics. Obama inherited a structural deficit in excess of $1 tril. No one cares that the deficit was held artificially low in 2007 due to a temporary growth cycle fueled by massive and unsustainable tax cuts and spending hikes. It was going to end and end badly, period.

The job market in the so-called recovery has been the worst in a generation for young workers, who are now carrying far more college debt than ever… If anything, this entire episode may either provide millenials with more rationalizations for apathy or a gigantic distaste for big-government solutions, or both.

The problem is that millennials won’t buy into your narrative. The younger generations are watching and fully comprehend that the recession has NOT been met with a ‘big government’ response- big banks were saved while homeowners largely ignored, federal job programs never materialized to create jobs for the youth, and not a single spending program has been touted as a potential driver of economic growth. In this context, the right has continued to focus on balancing the budget exclsively through spending cuts instead of growth. To the consternation of the Fed and many other economists, the sequester and other fiscal policies that suppress economic growth have been the response demanded by the right.

In fact, the last 8 years have been a righty wet dream- massive tax cuts especially at the top, coupled by a huge accumulation of wealth among the top 1%, and government spending cuts trough the sequester. It’s no secret that this agenda was formulated and has been maintained by the right.

bayam on October 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM

the fairly legislated and litigated Affordable Care Act.

The Gee Opie forgets to question this premise every time CNN (D) operatives throw this one at them.

Back room deals galore
Not one R voted for it
Passed it using some freaky deaky measures
The American people hated it from day one

But, but legislated and litigated!

LetsBfrank on October 1, 2013 at 1:05 PM

PappyD61 on October 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM

you’re missing the update:

Reid’s office decided Tuesday morning to release the documents to POLITICO.

The emails, which were not provided to CQ Roll Call, apparently reveal that Boehner’s staff and Reid’s staff participated in routine coordination between two leaders of Congress to avoid having congressional staff lose their health care benefits.

“During a five-month period stretching from February to July, Boehner and his aides sought along with Reid’s office to solve what had become a big headache for both of them,” POLITICO writes. “They drafted and reviewed a possible legislative fix, as well as continued to push for an administrative one from the Office of Personnel Management.”

It bears repeating again that the original intent of the provision that is causing leaders so much trouble was merely to force Congressional staff on to Obamacare exchanges, not to have those employees get no employer contribution toward their care.

tbrickert on October 1, 2013 at 1:05 PM

‘…government spending cuts trough the sequester. It’s no secret that this agenda was formulated and has been maintained by the right.’

bayam on October 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM

‘Already, some in Congress are trying to undo these automatic spending cuts. My message to them is simple: No. I WILL VETO ANY EFFORT TO GET RID OF THOSE AUTOMATIC SPENDING CUTS TO DOMESTIC AND DEFENSE SPENDING. There will be no easy off ramps on this one.’

- President Barack Obama, 21 November 2011

‘In the short term, the good news is that there’s going to be a forcing mechanism to deal with what is the central ideological argument in Washington right now, and that is: How much government do we have and how do we pay for it? So when you combine the Bush tax cuts expiring, THE SEQUESTER IN PLACE, the commitment of both myself and my opponent — at least Governor Romney claims that he wants to reduce the deficit — but we’re going to be in a position where I believe in the first six months we are going to solve that big piece of business.’

- President Barack Obama, Des Moines Register, 23 October 2012

Smoochy-smooch-smooch-smooch.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Only if we get ‘essential personnel only’ CRs to keep the few things government must do running will you begin to see a shift against DC.

Once people realize they don’t need most of the government and won’t miss it, then it will start to go away. You just have to keep the unessential parts shut down long enough to bring the point home. Do that long enough without the sky falling and it becomes the new normal.

ajacksonian on October 1, 2013 at 1:08 PM

You have a questionable grasp of economics. Obama inherited a structural deficit in excess of $1 tril. No one cares that the deficit was held artificially low in 2007 due to a temporary growth cycle fueled by massive and unsustainable tax cuts and spending hikes. It was going to end and end badly, period.

Debt on 01.20.01: $5,727,776,738,304.64

Debt on 01.19.09: $10,628,881,485,510.23

An increase of: $4,901,104,747,205.59

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Debt 01.20.09: $10,626,877,048,913.08

Debt 09.17.13: $16,738,502,722,145.90

An increase of: $6,111,625,673,232.82

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Bush was in office for 2,921 days and he deficit spent per day:

$1,677,885,911.40.

Obama has been in office for 1,702 days (through 09.17.13) and deficit spends per day:

$3,590,849,396.73

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Public debt on 01.20.09: $6,307,310,739,681.66

Public debt on 09.17.13: $11,965,887,207,931.11

Obama has increased the debt held by the public by $5,658,576,468,249.45 or 89.72% – EIGHTY-NINE & 72/100 in 1,702 days.

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Every man, woman and child’s share of the national debt is now $53,995.17 – that’s a 79.99%— SEVENTY-NINE & 99/100 — INCREASE since Barack Obama’s Imaculation 1,702 days ago.

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Total Debt = $16,738,502,722,145.90 and GDP = $16.2027 trillion (est)

Debt-to-GDP = 103.31%

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 1:12 PM

BREAKING!!!!!

The FAA reports there have been 0 aircraft crashes in the first 12 hours of Shutdowngeddon.

The Department of Energy reports everyone still has power; crews are ready to work diligently if something happens.

More later as these devastating reports come across the wire.

BobMbx on October 1, 2013 at 1:14 PM

bayam on October 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM

You’re a phucking moron…crawl back into Paul Krugmann’s crotch.

HumpBot Salvation on October 1, 2013 at 1:16 PM

The millenials are too absorbed in their smart phones to give a flying fig about anything.

stenwin77 on October 1, 2013 at 1:19 PM

You have a questionable grasp of economics.

As usual, little more than projection from you – as you are the one with a very questionable grasp of not only economics, but history. The challenge is, most people look at the $7 trillion in deficit spending by Obama / Democrats over the past 5 years, the increase in government spending from $2.6T to $3.7T annually, and know who is responsible and accountable. They also know which party / agenda owns the 2008 fiscal crisis / housing bubble burst.

In fact, the last 8 years have been a righty wet dream- massive tax cuts especially at the top, coupled by a huge accumulation of wealth among the top 1%, and government spending cuts trough the sequester. It’s no secret that this agenda was formulated and has been maintained by the right.

The class warfare tripe is as vapid today as it was a century ago. Just what happened to the ‘Occupy’ movement and the whinging against the 1% – most of whom are happy donors to the Democrat cause and happy beneficiaries of the Democrat agenda. The gap between the haves and have not’s has widened in the past 5 years – not narrowed as the middle class gets hammered by the Obama / Cloward / Piven agenda. This vision of rewarding the special interests and expanding / maintaining the cycle of dependency on the federal government is hardly a manifestation of the agenda of right.

And where was that disaster of the sequester spending cuts – the elimination of $80 billion in a $3.7T budget that was going to reek havoc on the nation?

The left’s mantra remains based around ‘social justice’ and ‘fairness’ – and they seek to ‘fix’ an unjust and unfair system in an unjust and unfair country. But there is no real ‘social justice’ – it’s a throwaway line to the low information person to increase divisions and class warfare, to expand government dependency and subservience, and reward the elite few who are to make the decisions needed to create a utopia on earth. There is also no ‘fairness’ – one is in one’s class and needs to remain there. Individual accountability and responsibility are the enemies. There’s no ‘fairness’ in the ACA (or other initiatives) as some are more ‘fair’ than others – they get the waivers and exemptions…and in the case of the ACA, the millennials are the sheep and fodder expected to sign-up and pay so the house of cards doesn’t collapse too quickly.

Athos on October 1, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Bless you for actually trying to correct bayam. I read his post and practically every sentence is a lie or distortion and decided I didn’t have the time to correct the record from such a hack.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Bless you for actually trying to correct bayam. I read his post and practically every sentence is a lie or distortion and decided I didn’t have the time to correct the record from such a hack.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Fortunately, it’s just a click away to my blog. It takes no time to destroy him.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 1:24 PM

The problem is that millennials won’t buy into your narrative. The younger generations are watching and fully comprehend that the recession has NOT been met with a ‘big government’ response- big banks were saved while homeowners largely ignored, federal job programs never materialized to create jobs for the youth, and not a single spending program has been touted as a potential driver of economic growth. In this context, the right has continued to focus on balancing the budget exclsively through spending cuts instead of growth. To the consternation of the Fed and many other economists, the sequester and other fiscal policies that suppress economic growth have been the response demanded by the right.

In fact, the last 8 years have been a righty wet dream- massive tax cuts especially at the top, coupled by a huge accumulation of wealth among the top 1%, and government spending cuts trough the sequester. It’s no secret that this agenda was formulated and has been maintained by the right.

bayam on October 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM

You mean those banks that Obama wanted bailed out too?
And if you can claim that liberals haven’t touted spending programs driving economic growth you must have been in a coma for Recovery Summer’s I, II, and III and never heard any of Obama’s “economy” speeches.

gwelf on October 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

and not a single spending program has been touted as a potential driver of economic growth.

bayam on October 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Moron…

‘It is the biggest bang for the buck when you do food stamps and unemployment insurance. The biggest bang for the buck.’

- Then-Speaker of the House Maerose Prizzi, 6 October 2010

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Try for a moment to extrapolate what a government shutdown and discredited U.S. currency could do to the economy and the public’s faith in government.

Few things piss me off more than “conservatives” who quote media liberals as objective observers in their analysis of conservatives. GFY Ed. For cripes sakes.

Jaibones on October 1, 2013 at 1:35 PM

When someone is bound a determined to cut his own throat, do not stand between him and the knife!

Another Drew on October 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Heh, millennials haven’t shown they are smart enough to be “mad as hell and not take it anymore”

tbrickert on October 1, 2013 at 12:39 PM

And yet, it really wouldn’t take much to herd this group of quasi-lemmings in another direction. If a few of their own ‘celebrities’ were seen educating themselves on the constitution and bad-mouthing Obie and the Libs for the slaveholders they are, we could experience a real sea-change. Am I expecting this to happen? Not really, the lure of free stuff and the decades of indoctrination from school, media, and the aforementioned ‘celebrity’ class make this a long-shot at best.

CaptFlood on October 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Looks like another troll is freaking out about the gubmint teat not giving them their daily dose.

The shakes can get pretty bad. I’m surprised the junkie can type.

CurtZHP on October 1, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and Sebelius definitely own Obamacare now. Let them reap what they sow.

RebeccaH on October 1, 2013 at 1:54 PM

2. President Obama can’t capitulate to GOP demands to unwind the fairly legislated and litigated Affordable Care Act. To do so would be political malpractice and a poor precedent for future presidents.

I don’t think “fairly” means what he thinks it means, ie the unprecendented Slaughter House Rule.

Geez Louise, you sure are clueless

AH_C on October 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Keep it closed indefinitely.

Set the new spending levels at the current “shut down” level, and start negotiating from there, one line item at a time.

Meople on October 1, 2013 at 1:57 PM

the fairly legislated and litigated Affordable Care Act

That’s a hoot.

davidk on October 1, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Fournier is killing me these days. He is still so full of the Hopenchange Kool-Aid. Cannot admit that Obama is a failure, a chimera, a pretend President who has no clue and no ability to make Washington work. He still believes in the idea of Obamacare, in the face of massive evidence that the reality is a disaster.

So what does he write? Young voters might just give up on Washington. THE HORROR!!!!!!!

rockmom on October 1, 2013 at 2:02 PM

No offense but that really isn’t a compelling reason why the GOP should cave and just go along with Reid and the stupid lazy coward on Obamacare. ;0

Seriously, and I mean this, I don’t think this is the beginning of the end for Washington but I think this is a battle that must be fought. Obamacare is a complete and total failure even before it goes operational. It would be morally wrong to stand aside and let it go through without objection or attempting to change the law.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 12:43 PM

I know…and I’m not suggesting that…

PatriotRider on October 1, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Fournier has never been anything but a Democratic propaganda hack. In the secret Oval Office pictures of Monica on her knees, the balding head you see over her left shoulder is Fournier, on his knees waiting his turn.

The point is quite correct that ObamaCare is a disaster waiting to happen. Why are we trying to bail Obama out with delays now?

“Putting them on the record” is sort of silly, every Democratic Senator up for reelection next year is already on the record voting for ObamaCare. After they voted the “defunding” thing down once, what is the point?

It’s grandstanding on the part of two Senators with very safe seats who wanted to build databases of over a million names each with their phony “petitions” while trashing their own party. They didn’t think it through, they didn’t work with any colleagues in planning, it is sheer and unabashed demagoguery – which works as well as it always has among the less informed.

I guarantee most of the signatures on their “petitions” (say, who did they present them to, and when? NOBODY and NEVER, because only suckers sign internet petitions so who would check?) have no clue that ObamaCare is funded by statute, not by appropriations, so the CR has little effect on it at all. Not that it mattered anyway, once they started getting the red meat from Cruz and Lee, it was just a feeding frenzy.

Adjoran on October 1, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I hope the gov’t remains shut for at least two weeks years until the US status goes to junk bonds.

Schadenfreude on October 1, 2013 at 12:13 PM

redguy on October 1, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Despite Obama’s promises to be a centrist, he’s governed as a determined leftist, mostly diffident to actual negotiation and compromise.

I don’t think that word means what you think it does, other than line 3 below;

dif·fi·dent
[dif-i-duhnt]
adjective
1.lacking confidence in one’s own ability, worth, or fitness; timid; shy.
2.restrained or reserved in manner, conduct, etc.
3.Archaic. distrustful.

A better way to put it would

Despite Obama’s promises to be a centrist, he’s governed as a determined leftist, completely hostile to actual negotiation and utterly opposed to any form of compromise.

Much more accurate.

Some have argued that Clinton’s “compromise” on Welfare to Work after the ’96 election showed either that he was (1) pragmatic or (2)lacking in internal principles and was only interested in personal prestige. I suspect it was more that he knew that he and other Democrats would ignore the guidelines in future HHS budget measures, so he was willing to let the non-progressives have a hollow victory. The better to smile and flip them the bird later.

The One is a different story. He has strong “internal principles” – boiling down to an unreasoning, amorphous hatred of all things Western. Coupled with a belief that Utopia on socialist and Eastern mystical principles is within his grasp, if he can just be intransigent and ruthless enough.

His constant berating and lecturing of those who disagree with him- which borders on paranoid ranting, complete with threats of bodily harm (“bring a gun to a knife fight“, etc.), are not the characteristics of a shy person lacking in self-confidence. Rather, they are the behaviors of a demagogue with megalomaniacal and narcissistic delusions. Hardly “restrained or reserved in manner”- except perhaps compared to, say, Huey Long.

He believes that the power of his personality is so great that his glare will make all others whimper and cower like whipped dogs. When it doesn’t happen, he literally has no idea what to do next. Which is the reason he always “doubles down” and becomes even more intransigent; it is all he knows. as the old saying goes, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

This worked perfectly well in academia and Chicago, where to put it bluntly everybody was on his side. And in the latter venue, there were always plenty of legbreakers handy if someone didn’t fall into line quickly enough.

So far in Washington, he’s found that all too many people are not impressed by his “Snorky Junior” act. Having the likes of Palin and Cruz doing a better job of portraying Eliot Ness than Kevin Costner did isn’t helping any, either.

I don’t expect The One to figure it out any time soon. His arrogance and narcissism make it unlikely that reality will ever penetrate the fantasy universe within his mind.

But reality will certainly have it say when he tries to warp it to fit his delusions. Over and over again.

clear ether

eon

eon on October 1, 2013 at 2:28 PM

2. President Obama can’t capitulate to GOP demands to unwind the fairly legislated and litigated Affordable Care Act. To do so would be political malpractice and a poor precedent for future presidents.

Passing it was political malpractice in the first place. Compounded by the further malpractice of not passing a budget to fund it.

We wouldn’t be fighting over CRs today if Dems had behaved ethically in the first place.

Missy on October 1, 2013 at 2:37 PM

ObamaCare is funded by statute, not by appropriations, so the CR has little effect on it at all. Not that it mattered anyway, once they started getting the red meat from Cruz and Lee, it was just a feeding frenzy.

Adjoran on October 1, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Stephen Hayes, no fan of the shutdown, stumbled across the obvious anyway:

We say two cheers for Ted Cruz​—​and for Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, and their fellow crusaders. They succeeded in one crucial respect: Everyone is talking about Obamacare. And the more it gets talked about, the clearer its flaws are to an already skeptical public.

Talked about in the week leading right up to the roll-out of the Obamacare exchanges, which– the media can report it or not– are proving to be a disaster. And why doesn’t it matter if the media chooses not to report this? Because word-of-mouth, social media, and anecdotal reporting are going to do the job. Within a very short time, everyone is going to know someone (and quite a few will know from firsthand experience) who tried to log on and was told “reply hazy try again later” or was given some absurd premium/deductible calculation or some other “glitch’ that would doom any private-sector website.

And just imagine what happens when fun-loving public-minded citizens start posting Youtube videos of their attempts? Or a national late night show host or popular tv news correspondent attempts to log onto an exchange live and on the air?

Maybe some will remember hearing about Cruz, et. al., and, finally, the Republicans in the House trying to stop this.

Obama assured us yesterday at his presser that Obamacare– and this roll-out– is fully funded, despite the shutdown. He’ll regret saying that just like he did drawing a red line for Syria, because Obamacare’s failure can’t be attributed to Republican obstructionism now. Obama done already paid for these fine insurance exchange websites.

Oh, and the shutdown? Coinciding to the day with this fantastical Obamacare rollout? The shutdown and the rollout feed the same meme: government can’t get anything right. That’s the public’s takeaway for the day.

de rigueur on October 1, 2013 at 2:48 PM

In this context, the right has continued to focus on balancing the budget exclsively through spending cuts instead of growth.
bayam on October 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM

There haven’t been any actual spending cuts. Every year we spend more. If you would like to see how your economic theories play out, may I suggest moving to France, bless your heart.

talkingpoints on October 1, 2013 at 3:38 PM

What if there was a “government shutdown” and nobody noticed? It seems the only people affected today are the non essential employees. Not sure this is what 0 and Harry expected to happen when they decided to shut down.

Ellis on October 1, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Is the shutdown “the beginning of the end for Washington”?

We can only hope so.

flataffect on October 1, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Step back. Try for a moment to extrapolate what a government shutdown and discredited U.S. currency could do to the economy and the public’s faith in government.

You need to step back and get a grip on this reality. What I am about to tell you is true and it will upset you. It will be a shock, so sit down.

The public generally doesn’t give a rats azz about the government except they generally hate it. They have no faith in it. NONE. Nor should they. It’s worthless corrupt vile and dysfunctional. It no longer serves the will of the people. It serves the overlords.

I think Dr. Krauthammer is correct. I think the dems deliberately did this to keep all the scandals out of the media. It’s been one clusterfark after another to misdirect and mislead.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 6:17 PM

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/shut-day-humor-government-closed

Oops. Guess who got locked out? LOL!! Comments are priceless.

Non essentials…

The markets did not care. Life went on. Chicken little needs an update.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Just send all the GOP home for 30 days and say you won’t come back until they agree to serious negotiations. Oh and the ante goes up each week.

If nothing by November 1st the new negotiation position is outright repeal while we still have insurance companies around. Plus tort reform, shopping across borders and elimination of any mandates on what’s in the policy.

The clock starts ticking now. Then go home.

Oboobi can’t even make recess appointments if the govt is shutdown.

This is what a republic looks like when the House exercises its power of the purse.

AH_C on October 1, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Unbelievable number of BS assumptions just in the first few lines, Fournier. “fairly legislated and litigated” ACA – Bullshiite! It was rammed through in a reconciliation trick with ZERO bipartisan support. Then Benedict Roberts re-wrote ACA into a “tax” to make it seem fairly litigated. Now this one: “extremists who oppose governing… represented by Sen. Ted Cruz” – More bullshiite, Fournier. Ever heard of the US Constitution and its enumerated powers? No, I didn’t think so. However, Ted Cruz has, and is only working to restore CONSTITUTIONAL government, and avert the fascist nanny-state we are currently morphing into.

Harbingeing on October 1, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

I don’t know why Ed even quotes Ron Fournier approvingly. Everything above was wrong, and he doesn’t stumble into any worthwhile points until halfway through his article, when he finally points out that Obama is not exactly good for the millenials who voted for him. True, but plenty of people have figured that out.

Maybe Ed is grading on a curve because Fournier is so liberal as to be almost incapacitated?

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 1, 2013 at 7:29 PM