Cheer up: The shutdown backlash might not be as bad as you think

posted at 8:41 pm on October 1, 2013 by Allahpundit

I figure I owe you at least one non-eeyorish post a month. Might as well take care of October early. (Kidding, kidding.)

If you feel ill from that toxic Quinnipiac poll this morning, take your medicine by reading Sean Trende at RCP. Even if you think the 1995 shutdown was a major loss for the GOP, there are sound reasons to think this time might be different. A sluggish economy, a less divisive Republican speaker in Boehner, and a widely disliked law in ObamaCare — all of those factors will hopefully conspire to blunt whatever advantage Democrats think they’re getting from the lights going out.

Democrats didn’t actually use the shutdown itself as their main line of attack on Republicans. It was part of it, but the real attacks came over the Republicans’ motivation for the shutdown. Because of the expansive nature of the GOP’s cuts, the Democrats were able to focus on several unpopular portions of the GOP budget: the so-called M2E2 strategy. They commenced a mantra-like repetition of their opposition to Republican attempts to gut “Medicare, Medicaid, Education and the Environment” in favor of a “risky tax scheme” that benefitted the rich.

In other words, in evaluating 1996 as an illustration of what will happen to the GOP today, we probably have to separate the tactic of a shutdown from the substance of what motivates it. And today, the GOP is focused on defunding Obamacare, a law that isn’t particularly popular. For the analogy to 1995-96 to really stick, the GOP will probably have had to try something along the lines of shutting down government to implement the Paul Ryan balance-budget plan.

While public opinion might be against the shutdown tactic, there probably won’t be the same level of outrage against the underlying policy motivation, which is what 1995-96 was mostly about. If Obamacare turns out to be the train wreck some conservatives predict (I have no clue whether it will or won’t), the tactic itself might be viewed as less of a negative.

That doesn’t mean the GOP might not lose a few seats in the House over this, but as Trende says, red-state Democrats like Pryor and Landrieu who have gone face-first into the tank to protect O’s pet boondoggle might end up losing their seats too. A downturn in Republicans’ national polling doesn’t much matter when most House GOPers are running in heavily red districts and most Senate battlegrounds are being fought on conservative turf. In fact, despite the legend of shutdown-driven GOP losses in the 1996 elections, it’s an open question whether the shutdown had much to do with that. Harry Enten attacked that conventional wisdom last week by analyzing polling during and after the 1995 shutdown. As it turns out, Democrats did about as well in the 1996 elections as you would have expected given the state of the economy at the time.

Just this morning, Gallup posted its own snapshot of Clinton’s and Gingrich’s polling from that year. Note only did both men rebound to pre-shutdown levels afterward, they did so fairly quickly:

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So there you go, a reason not to sweat quite as much. Of course, Gingrich’s GOP didn’t have a history of fiscal-deadline brinksmanship at the time of the ’95 shutdown, and they never tried anything as risky as refusing to raise the debt ceiling as leverage for policy concessions, and Congress wasn’t as remotely as disliked as it is now, all of which could make the fallout from this worst than we expect. Hopefully that’s just my eeyorism talking, though. Hopefully.

Exit question: Which national politician is the biggest winner from all of this? Charlie Cook argues that it’s Rand Paul, who might now appear semi-acceptable to the centrist donor class because he’s way more conciliatory towards establishment Republicans like Mitch McConnell than Ted Cruz is. That jibes with what I said last week about Paul potentially positioning himself between Cruz and whoever emerges as the centrist champion in 2016. I think Matt Lewis is closer to the mark, though. I don’t know if Christie’s the winner, but governors certainly are. Good news for him, Scott Walker, and Jeb Bush.


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Say, something ate my last post, which, incredible as it may be, was rather insightful.
Hmmph.

justltl on October 1, 2013 at 9:42 PM

That polling was a 3 month back to normal time frame. The elections are over 13 months away. 13!

KMav on October 1, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Doth protest too much.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 9:39 PM

No Shinola Watson. What part of I’m really angry did you not get?

cozmo on October 1, 2013 at 9:42 PM

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Coz LOVES it.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 9:43 PM

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Aw who cares you silly hillbilly Canook?

cozmo on October 1, 2013 at 9:35 PM

cozmo:

Thats it,I’m releasing a gaggle of Canadian Geese,sent too home in on your location,for a Sh*t-bombing run,

look in your back yard,in the morning,it’ll spell C-A-N-A-D-A!–:0

(snark)

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Oh and if the Republicans were smart – every single one of them would be at the WWII memorial tomorrow providing safe passage for the veterans tomorrow.

goprgirl on October 1, 2013 at 8:s.59 PM

Yes, and lets get the Tea Party Protests going again against funding Obamacare, and against the intransigent Dems failure to fund the VA & national parks etc!

The Dems need to compromise. And by the way, we’re not saying repeal here. The House is following its constitutional prerogative to simply defund. And if the Dems win the House in 2014, as they seem to think they will, then the Dems can fund it. But the Republicans control the House now. “Elections have consequences.” -BHO

anotherJoe on October 1, 2013 at 9:44 PM

I live in Oklahoma. I work with regular blue collar workers. Only one real liberal in the whole company and our clientele is about the same political ratio.

And the only things I heard about it today, and leading up to today?

How stupid it was that our effing government is shut down. How stupid and embarrassing is that? Are we 5 years old?

But live in your clouds if you wish. Your AM haze.

You might just get to burn it down after all.

Genuine on October 1, 2013 at 9:45 PM

No Shinola Watson. What part of I’m really angry did you not get?

cozmo on October 1, 2013 at 9:42 PM

If you’re a REAL man, you shouldn’t have to get ‘really angry’ to prove it to me.

I might have to get you some of these.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 9:45 PM

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Coz LOVES it.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Resist We Much:I hope so,LMAO,haha:)

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Didn’t he used to be with Dire Straits? /

Midas on October 1, 2013 at 9:13 PM

That would be MArk Knopfler, not Mark Knoller.

8 weight on October 1, 2013 at 9:49 PM

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 9:44 PM

As long as they are bombing me with Winstons too send them all.

I might have to get you some of these.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Why?

This line would have been really bad. But, even in my current mood I would not insult someone of the female persuasion that much.

Be grateful. Be very grateful.

cozmo on October 1, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Now, now. Leave McCain alone.

faraway on October 1, 2013 at 8:51 PM

But I McCant.

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Why?

This line would have been really bad. But, even in my current mood I would not insult someone of the female persuasion that much.

Be grateful. Be very grateful.

cozmo on October 1, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Because men who feel that they must loudly and persistently proclaim how masculine they are might have a secret knickers fetish…

…Not that there’s anything wrong with that, Coz. We’d still love you.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 9:53 PM

OH WHAT A SACRIFICE:

Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 3m

Pres and Mrs Obama have cancelled plans to attend Congressional Hispanic Caucus dinner tomorrow because of the Govt shutdown.

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Didn’t he used to be with Dire Straits? /

Midas on October 1, 2013 at 9:13 PM

That’s Mark Knopfler. Mark Knoller is the WH beat reporter for CBS Radio News.

Myron Falwell on October 1, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Jeepers, at least the filter must read my posts.
There is that then.

justltl on October 1, 2013 at 9:55 PM

It would be interesting to know what aspect of the shut down is preventing them from breaking bread.
WisRich on October 1, 2013 at 9:16 PM

My guess… he’s delivered nada to pro-amnesty gang.

This is an easy excuse to not face any unhappy faces.

CPT. Charles on October 1, 2013 at 9:55 PM

…Not that there’s anything wrong with that, Coz. We’d still love you.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 9:53 PM

I make no secret of my knickers fetish. Those however do not not meet the requirements to be included in my fetish.

cozmo on October 1, 2013 at 9:57 PM

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Didn’t he used to be with Dire Straits? /

Midas on October 1, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Midas:Lol,ya got me:0

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 10:01 PM

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 9:44 PM

As long as they are bombing me with Winstons too send them all.

cozmo on October 1, 2013 at 9:51 PM

cozmo:Haha,I’ll check to see if there are any Geese,that smoke:)

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 10:03 PM

cozmo on October 1, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Yep! Maybe a coupla’ burkas too, :)

DC on October 1, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Listening to Rove on Greta…

Even Rove is starting to sound like he thinks this shutdown is going to make the “intransigent” Dems looks worse than the Repubs. Pigs are flying.

anotherJoe on October 1, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Gird up your loins, Beaner. Here’s what you do to keep your job. Maybe, but from you it’ll be your hail Mary pass.

Just send all the GOP home for 30 days and say you won’t come back until they agree to serious negotiations like 10% across the board cuts from last year.

Oh and the ante goes up each week. Week 2 it’s 10% from 2011 and after that, 10% from 2010

If nothing by November 1st the new negotiation position is outright repeal while we still have the insurance companies around. Plus tort reform, shopping across borders and elimination of any mandates on what’s in the policy. Oh and 10% cut from 2009.

The clock starts ticking now.

Then go home and wait for their counter offer.

Oboobi can’t even make recess appointments if the govt is shutdown.

This is what a republic looks like when the House exercises its power of the purse.

AH_C on October 1, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Listening to Rove on Greta…Even Rove is starting to sound like he thinks this shutdown is going to make the “intransigent” Dems looks worse than the Repubs. Pigs are flying.anotherJoe on October 1, 2013 at 10:14 PM

And if we listened to the turds blossom, we would have caved last week.

Forget it Rove. ain’t no way you’re getting in front of this wave. The breaker is going to churn you like a washer on a heavy load and spit you out.

AH_C on October 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Lost in all of the Republican bluster is the fact that a lot of hard worker Americans are going to be without a paycheck. I know of a guy who works for a Florida Senator who works two jobs and has a baby to support who is now going on a unpaid vacation thanks to the Republican intransigence. If the Republicans want to repeal AHA so bad they should actually win the White House and the Senate and repeal it that way. Not play chicken with people lives.

Ric on October 1, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Let me utter the words not heard today …

The shutdown allows the Obama Administration to front-load all the sequester furlough days.

As of today, the is no harm to the government or any government employees. At least no more harm than the sequester ever caused.

J_Crater on October 1, 2013 at 10:38 PM

I live in Oklahoma. I work with regular blue collar workers. Only one real liberal in the whole company and our clientele is about the same political ratio.

And the only things I heard about it today, and leading up to today?

How stupid it was that our effing government is shut down. How stupid and embarrassing is that? Are we 5 years old?

Genuine on October 1, 2013 at 9:45 PM

And then your boss came out and told you to stop being whining bitches and get back to making the McFlurries.

Chuck Schick on October 1, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Lost in all of the Republican bluster is the fact that a lot of hard worker Americans are going to be without a paycheck. I know of a guy who works for a Florida Senator who works two jobs and has a baby to support who is now going on a unpaid vacation thanks to the Republican intransigence. If the Republicans want to repeal AHA so bad they should actually win the White House and the Senate and repeal it that way. Not play chicken with people lives.

Ric on October 1, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Then tell your friends to get Obama to negotiate.

Chuck Schick on October 1, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Ric on October 1, 2013 at 10:36 PM

A lot of people don’t even have jobs and health insurance because of obamacare.

I think someone will survive for a few weeks without pay. Which they will end up getting when the government is again funded. So tough sh!t.

Barred on October 1, 2013 at 10:47 PM

My kids will miss a field trip next week it appears.
Waaaah.

I wrote down their share of the federal debt on a piece of paper and told them next time their teacher brings it up to show her that figure and say meh.

MontanaMmmm on October 1, 2013 at 10:50 PM

If the backlash saves us from more unqualified Senators and Representatives running and clogging up the field and the plumbing, maybe it is for the best.

But what we lost in the 1995-96 shutdowns isn’t measured in polling numbers. It was the situation that caused Morris to devise the “triangulation” strategy to pose Clinton as the “middle ground” choice between liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans in Congress, which led to a second term, Monica, etc. If Clinton had gone down, there would have been no close race with Gore in 2000. Maybe President Dole would have ordered the strike in 1998 that could have taken out bin Laden, the one Clinton scratched for fear of taking out a visiting prince from Dubai.

That’s a chain of events we should all wish to change.

Adjoran on October 1, 2013 at 11:04 PM

A sluggish economy, a less divisive Republican speaker in Boehner, and a widely disliked law in ObamaCare — all of those factors will hopefully conspire to blunt whatever advantage Democrats think they’re getting from the lights going out.

You forgot the most divisive president in all of history.

Schadenfreude on October 1, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Now, now. Leave McCain alone.

faraway on October 1, 2013 at 8:51 PM

McRino: Apocalypse Now!

A string of unexpected events marked the first day of the federal government shutdown.

The Department of Defense released a statement early Tuesday that shocked college sports fans. The department said that all athletic competitions at the Army, Navy and Air Force academies would be postponed for as long as the government remained closed.

The Air Force and Navy are scheduled to square off in a sold-out, nationally televised football game on Saturday, while the Army has a planned match-up against Boston College. If the government impasse isn’t resolved by Thursday, both games will be suspended.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a graduate of the Naval Academy, told reporters that the cancelation of the Air Force-Navy game would be the “defining moment” of the shutdown.

“The apocalypse is upon us,” McCain lamented.

Resist We Much on October 1, 2013 at 8:59 PM

I know a bunch of men that don’t follow politics much at all. But they follow football. And none of them would buy for a second that the government would somehow save money by cancelling the Air Force-Navy game.

This is a bone-headed move.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM

People are pretty-much sequestered-out and this is just part II of the sequester. Obama looked idiotic, shutting down WH vistits (except for operatives). Republicans didn’t suffer from that at all.

The conservative base is OK with a bit of shutdown. The GOP leadership doesn’t have anything further to lose, so this is really Obama’s move. He just demonstrated that he’ll negotiate with Iranian terrorists before meeting with Republicans. It sucks to be him.

The only thing going for him on the home-front is that at least John Kerry isn’t “helping” him there. Come to think of it, apart from a few flaks, he cuts quite a lonely figure.

virgo on October 2, 2013 at 12:24 AM

Any day that this idiotic administration is shut down and kept from putting into place their asinine and treacherous policies is a good day.

Sterling Holobyte on October 2, 2013 at 2:03 AM

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100238487/us-government-shutdown-barack-obama-looks-like-a-bitter-petty-and-partisan-president/

The harsh invective flowing from Washington’s liberal establishment has been nasty, juvenile and petty. This should be a moment for humility for the White House over its hugely unpopular Obamacare reforms, which are opposed by a significant majority of the American people. Ironically President Obama turns the other cheek on the world stage when it comes to challenges to US global power, and has made the appeasement of America’s enemies and strategic competitors into a form of art. But he acts in a truly imperial fashion at home, refusing to listen to the slightest hint of criticism domestically. This is a president who happily apologises for his country’s past when he travels abroad, in thoroughly humiliating fashion for the United States, but cannot bring himself to acknowledge that his own policies might be wrong.

Zero’s shutdown not playing well around the world. Nobody here really cares outside DC…

dogsoldier on October 2, 2013 at 5:40 AM

take your medicine by reading Sean Trende

“right now the rcp average has obama up 0.7 points. that’s probably a bit favorable to him” – sean trende – november 6, 2012

sesquipedalian on October 2, 2013 at 7:08 AM

There is going to be a huge backlash against Obama, Reid and the Dems.

justltl on October 2, 2013 at 7:33 AM

They are working on an immigration bill as we speak.

If that passes then who cares about ObamaCare? Destruction of this country will be complete with immigration… one party rule.

watertown on October 2, 2013 at 7:50 AM

There is going to be a huge backlash against Obama, Reid and the Dems.

justltl on October 2, 2013 at 7:33 AM

It’s already starting. The LIVs and the NIVs don’t care and of the rest, only the OZombies who are close minded robots of the socialists are trying to blame the GOP for this. Their new schtick is “It’s the law!!” Which is so OMG funnystupid.

Wait, where’s Verby to demand the rest of my paycheck for the suffering masses and try to make me feel like a heartless bastard for saying no?

dogsoldier on October 2, 2013 at 7:56 AM

There is going to be a huge backlash against Obama, Reid and the Dems.

justltl on October 2, 2013 at 7:33 AM

Bless your heart…..

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 7:58 AM

If that passes then who cares about ObamaCare? Destruction of this country will be complete with immigration… one party rule.

watertown on October 2, 2013 at 7:50 AM

Yes, if they pass SR-744 we are done. I’ll tell you though, in all seriousness, African Americans and single mothers will be hit hard as will young people who work hospitality and retail jobs.

The middle class that works in trades and high tech will get clobbered as the H2′s and H1′s take the little work that’s out there, making Bill Gates, Intel, Apple, and HP wealthier.

dogsoldier on October 2, 2013 at 7:59 AM

Bless your heart…..

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 7:58 AM

Gee, you’re up early.

dogsoldier on October 2, 2013 at 8:00 AM

I agree.

Democrats have very much misread this situation and the difference in circumstances.

Let’s start with the fact we have a historically bad economy, record people out of the workforce, continuously high unemployment, a terrible job outlook, a new unpopular, economically destructive entitlement foisted upon us by the president and Democrats and sinking credibility in the world. That’s before we get to issues like the IRS scandal, Egypt, Syria and every other issue which polls badly for the president.

The American people have experienced about 7 years of this fecklessness now. That’s why the president’s poll numbers are so bad. Now Democrats think a transparently fake crisis that doesn’t affect 95% of the people will pull them up in the eyes of the electorate?

Do they really believe people are that dumb? They do so at their peril and the longer this goes on, the worse it will get for them.

By the way, why don’t Priebus and the GOP get off their asses and start driving the message in every state where a Democratic Senator is up for reelection?

Time to earn your pay and wake up morons.

Marcus Traianus on October 2, 2013 at 8:05 AM

It’s already starting. The LIVs and the NIVs don’t care and of the rest, only the OZombies who are close minded robots of the socialists are trying to blame the GOP for this.

Poor dogsoldier….

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/10/01/2710701/photos-world-war-ii-veterans-force-memorial-honoring-them-open-during-shutdown/

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 8:10 AM

It’s already starting. The LIVs and the NIVs don’t care and of the rest, only the OZombies who are close minded robots of the socialists are trying to blame the GOP for this.

So the polls showing that everyone hates this are as innaccurate as all the polls showing Obama would win in 2012?

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 8:11 AM

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 8:10 AM

They just went in anyway. Another group is going in Friday. A thinkprogress link? seriously?

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 8:11 AM

What polls? CNN interviewed people the other day on air who didn’t even know what ZeroCare is. That poll?

But to answer your question, yeah they aren’t accurate.

Nobody really cares. There are no masses gnashing their teeth and rending their clothes. Sorry it’s a big letdown for you.

TheSkyIsFalling 2.0 twice the yawn of 1.0

dogsoldier on October 2, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Such battles are decided by small things: Gingrichs tantrum about having to sit in the back of Air Force One is a stupid, little gossip story, but it influenced the outcome of the shutdown.

Its not completely wrong when commentators point out that our hand in this confrontarion isnt exactly strong, but they mostly overlook that the president doesnt look too impressive either:

Staying away from the negotiating table and refusing to compromise always looks bad in the eyes of the unpolitical American public.

Closing down memorials and services that dont require supervision or manpower, which should thus be unaffected by the shutdown, out of pure spit will probably put off quite a few people. And the discussion about the extent to which they lied about this hasnt even begun yet.

The point is; Republicans have presented Obummer with an opportunity to blunder and since his remarkable Syria performance I have no doubts left that these are irresistible to him.

Valkyriepundit on October 2, 2013 at 8:54 AM

OOPS:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/01/obama-admin-knew-about-wwii-veterans-request-and-rejected-it/

The White House and the Department of the Interior rejected a request from Rep. Steven Palazzo’s office to have World War II veterans visit the World War II memorial in Washington, the Mississippi Republican told The Daily Caller Tuesday.

That news will spread fast and there’s more on Drudge. Now Zero the Great and Wonderful is threatening to arrest veterans…

Smooth move, Zero.

dogsoldier on October 2, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Cheer up: The shutdown backlash might not be as bad as you think

Again, after days of posting polls that seemed intentionally skewed to make everyone believe that the backlash would be harsh on the GOP, now we get this?

Am I still a troll for questioning the ‘conventional wisdom’ early on, AP?

Midas on October 2, 2013 at 9:23 AM

From Jim Treacher: “Remember: The people telling you a government shutdown is a disaster are the same ones who told you 3 weeks ago that we had to invade Syria.”

slickwillie2001 on October 2, 2013 at 9:56 AM

“I want to go line by line through every item in the federal budget and eliminate programs that don’t work, and make sure that those that do work, work better and cheaper…”

- Barack Obama, 2008

It’s time to do exactly what Obama promised 5 years ago.

It’s time to go line by line through every item in the federal budget and:
1) Eliminate programs that don’t work, and
2) Make sure that those that do work, work better and cheaper.

It’s not time to just keep up the same-old, same-old and pass a continuing resolution that just keeps overspending on all existing government programs and adding trillions of dollars in new debt.

Keep in mind that when Obama and his fellow Democrats took majority control of Congress on January 3, 2007, they inherited a FY 2007 budget from the Republicans which featured an annual deficit less than $161 Billion, and a total gross federal debt that was 64.6% of GDP at end of Fiscal Year 2007. (By the way, that was a smaller percentage of GDP than the debt than the debt the Republicans inherited from the Democrats back in FY 1995, when the total gross federal debt was 67% of GDP at end of Fiscal Year 1995.)

Now, after 6 straight Fiscal Years of Democrat majority control of the budgeting and appropriations processs, the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) estimates that the total gross federal debt is now 106.5% of GDP.

Data Source: Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2018

It is long past time to:

go line by line through every item in the federal budget and eliminate programs that don’t work, and make sure that those that do work, work better and cheaper…”

How could Obama criticize Republicans in the House for doing exactly what Obama himself promised to do?

ITguy on October 2, 2013 at 9:57 AM

I think Matt Lewis is closer to the mark, though

He says something like “Rubin is right” (that’s Jenn Rubin), indicating that Matt Lewis doesn’t have a clue.

besser tot als rot on October 2, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Who said it would be bad, I think it’s great! Shut it down, blow it up, fire them all and fire on fort Sumter.

jephthah on October 2, 2013 at 11:36 AM

OH WHAT A SACRIFICE:

Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 3m

Pres and Mrs Obama have cancelled plans to attend Congressional Hispanic Caucus dinner tomorrow because of the Govt shutdown.

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 9:08 PM

No tacos?

RovesChins on October 1, 2013 at 9:10 PM

No gubmint queso.

steebo77 on October 2, 2013 at 12:07 PM

There is going to be a huge backlash against Obama, Reid and the Dems.

justltl on October 2, 2013 at 7:33 AM

Bless your heart…..

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 7:58 AM

Thank you. I hope that you are a girl.
Guys should definitely not use that expression.

Anyway, the GOP has proposed two quite reasonable stipulations, one- to delay the individual mandate for a year, just like Obama did for businesses, and two- to make Congress subject to the same laws to which they subject us, the unwashed masses,

Now, in the absence of a completely biased Media hammering away at the GOP, those two things should be wildly popular amongst the rabble. And Obama’s and Reid’s smarmy intransigence and petulance should stir them to break out the tar and feathers.

But the wild card is the Media. I have a feeling that, even as utterly stupid as the lefty media is, they might, inadvertently or otherwise, stumble upon the realization that they too are going to be subject to the horrors of Obamacare. And that realization just might temper their usual anti-GOP, socialist zeal.
Afterall, nothing more potently dissuades a socialist than being subject to socialism.

justltl on October 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM

One more thing, although I realize that the thread is running out of steam and will soon disappear into the ether-net.
Do you, as a liberal, really really really believe that Obamacare is going to be good for healthcare, or for any segment of the population, or for the country as a whole?

Because I firmly believe that it is going to be a disaster of epic proportions and the final nail in the United States’ coffin.

justltl on October 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM

See?
No response.
Last thread on the page.
Doomed.

justltl on October 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM

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