Open thread: The obligatory “late-night shutdown drama in the House” post

posted at 7:06 pm on September 30, 2013 by Allahpundit

A traditional “Quotes of the Day” post won’t cut it today with a shutdown looming at midnight and Boehner trying to find a way between the RINO/tea party Scylla and Charybdis, so here’s your evening thread to banter about developments. The big news late this afternoon is that Peter King and Charlie Dent are trying to organize 20 or so centrist Republicans to vote no on Boehner’s Plan C resolution that would delay ObamaCare’s individual mandate for a year and pass the Vitter amendment. Robert Costa hears that King has already lined up 10 or so votes, with more possibly on the way. If the RINOs succeed in killing Plan C because they’re tired of the shutdown game, Boehner will be forced to choose between sticking with the 30 or so conservatives who don’t want to budge an inch on O-Care and the 20 or so centrists who want to end this process before there’s any real damage done to the party. Both Byron York and King himself estimate that two-thirds of the Republican caucus, i.e. 175 members, would vote for a clean CR if they didn’t fear a grassroots backlash in the primaries. (Says King: “Including some of the people who got elected as tea-party candidates from the South. You talk to them, they think this is crazy.”) That’s the heart of the suspense right now: Can King find enough centrists willing to risk conservative wrath by opposing any further ObamaCare demands? Even King doesn’t know:

New York representative Peter King is leading the charge, and his fellow New Yorker Michael Grimm is close behind him. The group told leadership on Saturday they have 25 members who are willing to bring down the rule.

That number of defections would defeat the rule, which, like all such votes, is a party-line affair. But “how many of them are going to follow up today with the pressure and everything else, I don’t know,” King told me in a phone interview.

King wants to pass a clean continuing-resolution bill. “This is going nowhere,” he says about the standoff with Senate Democrats. He notes that “if Obamacare is as bad as we say it’s going to be, then we should pick up a lot of seats in the next election and we should win the presidency in 2016. This idea of going through the side door to take something you lost through the front door – to me it’s wrong.”

Case in point: Republican Devin Nunes said the party was behaving like “lemmings with suicide vests” — but he’s going to vote for Plan C anyway. Turn on C-SPAN right now at 7:05 ET for a vote on the rule that would bring Plan C to the floor. King could try to stop it there or, if he loses this vote, he could try to build more support over the next half hour or so to stop the bill once it gets an up-or-down vote on the floor. Stand by for updates.

Update: One ironic possibility: What if King musters 20 or so Republican centrists to vote no — and Boehner ends up with 20 or so House Democrats voting yes, either because they want the individual mandate delayed too or just because they want to force this process closer to a shutdown that they think will be good for their party? Passing Plan C, which Reid will surely reject, gets us that much closer to midnight still deadlocked.

Update: Hmmmmm:

Pete Sessions is telling Democrats to be patient, as a solution may be in the works:

With just hours to go before a midnight deadline to keep government funded, Rules Committee Chairman Pete Sessions has just told frustrated Democrats on that panel to “stay calm,” and be ready and available for late-night action as House Republicans try “to play this out.”…

“I’m encouraging you. And I’m saying to you we’re doing the right thing, we’re trying to play this out,” Sessions told the Rules Committee Democrat, saying he understood their frustration.

But he said, “As we get closer to midnight then that frustration level, perhaps, will be answered.”

Two easy predictions. One: As the night drags on, McConnell’s one-week stopgap clean CR will seem more attractive to both sides. Better to punt for awhile so that Boehner can figure out a way forward than remain deadlocked. The question is, will Reid change his mind and accept a one-week bill if that’s the last chance to avoid a shutdown before midnight? Two: The fact that you’ve got centrist Republicans talking openly about voting for a clean CR and possibly even voting with Democrats to thwart the conservatives’ anti-ObamaCare means the party has very little leverage headed into debt-ceiling negotiations. If RINOs are chafing at a shutdown, which is a relatively minor bit of brinksmanship, they’re surely not going to risk a default to play this game again. That’s another reason Boehner could use another week to plot a strategy. If he was planning another game of chicken over the debt limit, he’ll have to reconsider.

Update: And as quickly as it began, the RINO revolt fizzles. Only six Republicans voted against the rule to bring Plan C to the floor — and four of them objected to it not because it was too conservative but because it wasn’t conservative enough:

That’s a win for the tea party: Doubtless there are more centrists who’d prefer to vote for King, but they’re too worried about their own seats to do it right now. Presumably this means Plan C will pass. Then Reid will torpedo it. And then? Will more moderates risk a tough vote for a clean CR? Could be that Boehner urged the centrists to stick with him for now, with a promise that a more centrist solution will be offered later once the deadlock advances.

Via the Weekly Standard, here’s Ted Cruz urging the Senate to pass Plan C. Interestingly, notes John McCormack, Cruz said last week he’d support nothing short of defunding ObamaCare.

Update: Robert Costa explains why the RINO revolt fizzled — a combination of cold feet and leadership pressure:

Update: Put on some coffee:

If a clean CR is a fait accompli eventually, why bother with the theatrics of a few more that limit ObamaCare? Tea partiers won’t care about the ol’ college try if the ultimate result is simply to give Obama what he wants.


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U.S. government shutdown to start after budget negotiations fail
WASHINGTON | Tue Oct 1, 2013 12:02am EDT
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Oct 1 (Reuters) – The U.S. federal government was due to start partially shutting down on Tuesday after lawmakers failed to compromise on an emergency spending bill before a midnight deadline.

Competing spending measures flew back and forth between the Republican-controlled House of Representatives and Democratic-led Senate late into Monday night, but Congress deadlocked over Republican efforts to use a temporary spending bill as a means to delay implementation of President Barack Obama’s landmark healthcare law.
It is unclear how long a government shutdown will last. The funding gap will leave some essential functions like national security intact but sharply cut many regulatory agencies, furloughing up to a million federal workers.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/01/usa-fiscal-deadline-idUSL1N0HR04G20131001

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 2:28 AM

i’d be more sympathetic to the Rs if they had the slightest bit of leadership ability…or political ability. It is absurd to trot out Rove after his being a two time loser…esp. after his bizarre performance on election night. The guy is a loser squared.

so are the rest of GOPe. They hate the TP. now how stupid is that. CK is not the problem..he is just a pundit. The problem is the GOPe.

i think barry is thrilled with this. leadership is the ability to get your troops informed, organized and motivated. And it requires forward thinking wrt your opposition.

does any of that describe the GOPe? Of course not. They lurch from one thing to another (soon they’ll lobby to pass immigration)

bib business doesn’t care…they’ll make money coming and going. that is what they do. So the GOPe represents the wrong people….they do not represent conservatives

r keller on October 1, 2013 at 2:29 AM

Analysis: For House Republicans, confrontation is safer than compromise
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By Andy Sullivan
WASHINGTON | Tue Oct 1, 2013 1:04am EDT
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(Reuters) – For most Republicans in the House of Representatives, the only greater peril than shutting down the federal government would have been fighting to keep it open.

While a shutdown could hurt the Republican Party’s ability to win the Senate next year or take the White House in 2016, that’s not the concern of party members in the House, who led the push to pair continued government funding with measures that would delay President Barack Obama’s signature healthcare law.

“There’s a large cohort of members here who don’t feel themselves harmed by a bad brand name for the party,” said Sarah Binder, an expert on Congress at the Brookings Institution.
Instead, the peril comes from being seen as too flexible.

Republicans won control of the House in 2010 with help from the grassroots Tea Party movement, which combines strident conservatism with a mistrust of Washington dealmaking.
The standing of the movement in public opinion polls has declined somewhat since then, according to a recent nationwide Gallup poll.

Tea Party lawmakers don’t run for office nationally, but in districts where they are more secure than ever in their jobs, thanks to careful redistricting after the 2010 census and increased polarization among voters.
The Cook Political Report, a Washington tipsheet, estimates that 205 of the chamber’s 232 Republicans can count on a safe re-election race a year from now. Only 11 Republican seats are viewed as competitive.

With little pressure to court centrist voters, Tea Party-aligned Republicans face greater pressure to show conservative activists that they are staying true to their ideological roots than working to keep the government operating effectively.
Thus it may be easier to allow the government to run out of money rather than face accusations that they did not fight hard enough against Obama’s Affordable Care Act.

“They’re in a much better position when they go home and explain a ‘no’ vote that they cast as a protest vote against the White House than a ‘yes’ vote where they have to explain what they voted for,” said Kevin Madden, a former Republican House leadership aide.

HEADS THEY LOSE, TAILS THEY LOSE

Republicans stood little chance of emerging victorious from the fight. Obamacare will begin enrolling uninsured Americans as scheduled on Tuesday, and if the government shuts down, voters are likely to blame Republicans.

A CNN poll released on Monday found that 46 percent of those surveyed would hold Republicans responsible, while 36 would blame Obama. The poll also found that two of three voters say it’s more important to keep the government open than to block Obamacare.

As House Republicans worry more about a challenge to their right flank than defeat from a Democratic challenger back home, they push their party farther from the mainstream even as their own seats remain secure.

That could complicate the party’s efforts to appeal to a greater cross-section of American voters nationally after two successive presidential defeats, veteran Republicans say.

“It’s a definite move towards helping make sure that the Republican Party is a regional party that probably controls the House of Representatives for the foreseeable future, but jeopardizes the ability to take back the Senate and the White House in 2016,” said former Representative Steve LaTourette, a moderate Republican who retired last year.
Paradoxically, the secure electoral status of Tea Party lawmakers has undercut their party’s ability to advance its agenda. House Speaker John Boehner has struggled to keep his party unified on key votes ranging from farm policy to transportation issues to tax increases.

Those Republicans who have defied Boehner most consistently tend to come from districts where Obama only won 35 percent of the vote in the 2012 election, according to an analysis by Binder. Those who have consistently backed him on high-profile votes are from districts where Obama got an average of 43 percent of the vote.
Boehner had trouble keeping his troops in line during the shutdown fight as well. Mindful of the negative fallout his party faced from the last government shutdown in 1995 and 1996, he urged his colleagues to avoid a confrontation.

But his words have carried little weight. House Republicans voted three separate times to pair continued government funding with steps that would weaken Obamacare despite a veto threat from the president.

No matter how the current battle ends, other showdowns – notably the debt ceiling – loom in coming weeks as conservative lawmakers look for additional chances to stand up to Obama.

“There’s going to be a number of crises from here all the way to Election Day,” Madden said. “This is only one part of all these battles.”
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/01/us-usa-fiscal-politics-analysis-idUSBRE99005Z20131001?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=992637

canopfor on October 1, 2013 at 2:30 AM

I’m in California. It’s now 11:31PM — which I think translates to about 2:31AM in DC.

California is still here. No earthquakes. I still hear police sirens. In the distance, the freeway is still rumbling.

At work, they’ve warned us that we might be furloughed for a few days. Hey, I can handle it if that’s what it takes to get the Obamacare monkey off my back. We’ve been looking at 10-15% increases in healthcare costs this year, and the word is it may well be that much again next year. My company is not one to shift all of us to part time, or to drop our healthcare, but they will make us absorb half of the cost increase… I’d love to have my old healthcare plan back, and the horrible 5%/year increase in costs. Deductibles are going up, and physician choices are going down. And the Democrats over here in the LA Times are still crowing about how good it will all be.

unclesmrgol on October 1, 2013 at 2:37 AM

LegendHasIt on October 1, 2013 at 2:16 AM

like in chess…sometimes you start out with a pawn….sometimes a bishop…both moves can lead to a win or a loss…
i think alot of ppl underestimated the effort Cruz had…
it seemed to wake up a new wave…
if charles started with a bishop or a pawn is yet to be seen…
and if the GOP folds like a cheap shirt…whos to say what was right…

going2mars on October 1, 2013 at 2:38 AM

r keller on October 1, 2013 at 2:29 AM

Rove’s little tete-a-tete with Stepsalotinit was a fitting coda to McCain’s conspiracy with Harry Reid to waylay Ted Cruz after he had been on his feet all night. He’s a pig.

novaculus on October 1, 2013 at 2:39 AM

if the GOP folds like a cheap shirt…whos to say what was right…

going2mars on October 1, 2013 at 2:38 AM

Given what the House is doing right now, I don’t expect the Republicans to fold. They are trying to figure out how to fund the parts of Government they want to fund without funding the parts they don’t want to fund. I expect them to try the piecemeal (peacemeal) approach with a clean bill for defense, a clean bill for Medicare, a clean bill for education…

Then it will become obvious that it’s the Democrats who are playing the games if they don’t send through those smaller bills as-is.

unclesmrgol on October 1, 2013 at 2:40 AM

(soon they’ll lobby to pass immigration)

r keller on October 1, 2013 at 2:29 AM

If they do that, they really will have returned to being the party of Abraham Lincoln.

unclesmrgol on October 1, 2013 at 2:42 AM

In the midst of ruling class produced dog and pony shows, keep the Third Eye in mind. Think for yourself. Question authority.

FloatingRock on October 1, 2013 at 3:20 AM

If a bloated, corrupt government shuts down in the middle of the night, would anyone notice?

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 1, 2013 at 4:30 AM

If a bloated, corrupt government shuts down in the middle of the night, would anyone notice?

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 1, 2013 at 4:30 AM

Nope! :)

Hi folks-

I Just Dropped In

The Dude Edition

novaculus on October 1, 2013 at 2:17 AM

President Choom’s favorite gutterball scene (featuring himself, of course!)

Anti-Control on October 1, 2013 at 4:39 AM

If a bloated, corrupt government shuts down in the middle of the night, would anyone notice?

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 1, 2013 at 4:30 AM

Nope, nor will they care. Zero made another bad call.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 5:21 AM

AMNESTY WARNING:

In the middle of the shutdown drama, pro-amnesty traitor Paul Ryan and other Republicans continue to work for illegal alien amnesty:

http://www3.blogs.rollcall.com/218/paul-ryan/

Amnesty = Democrat dream

Passing amnesty ensures increased Democrat power for decades. If you want TX to go the way of Calif, you’re probably hoping amnesty passes.

If amnesty passes, forget about a conservative ever winning a national election again. Illegal aliens are not “natural conservatives,” as the oft-repeated lie says. Illegal aliens will vote overwhelmingly for Democrats and see government and needing to “take care of” the people.

WE MUST ENFORCE OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS.

bluegill on October 1, 2013 at 5:23 AM

This is the correct link to the article about Paul Ryan working on amnesty:

http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/paul-ryan/

bluegill on October 1, 2013 at 5:53 AM

This is the correct link to the article about Paul Ryan working on amnesty:

http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/paul-ryan/

bluegill on October 1, 2013 at 5:53 AM

There is nothing about amnesty in that link at all.

Theophile on October 1, 2013 at 6:16 AM

Good shut it down.

Cant spend my money that way.

TX-96 on October 1, 2013 at 6:16 AM

Oh no! Government shut down…I’m still feeling the pain from the sequester and tired of dodging planes falling from the sky among other things. /s

moo on October 1, 2013 at 6:29 AM

Hello, Patriots! …And, Trolls.

Everybody sing: “Heaven knows…anything goes.”
Their “fun”…our money.
My take: “Welcome to Obamacare…and Government-Funded Hedonism”

kingsjester on October 1, 2013 at 6:30 AM

There is nothing about amnesty in that link at all.
Theophile on October 1, 2013 at 6:16 AM

Ugh. You’re right. Will have to find the right article I was just reading. Mentioned Goodlatte and Ryan continuing to work on it, despite the apparent breakup of the House “gang.”

bluegill on October 1, 2013 at 6:40 AM

Did anybody see Moanin’ Schmoe shut down Mika? He was wonderfully incredibly rude to her so she sat steaming in her juices for like 10 minutes refusing to say anything. Oh to be a fly on the wall during a commercial break. Any lib watching surely changed the channel.

Marcus on October 1, 2013 at 6:41 AM

Congrats. You got what you wanted. And you got the media to pretend that even though ACA was lawfully passed (according to the Constitution ) and was approved by the SupremecCourt and defacto voted for by the American people in 2012., that this is equal on both siides. also remember that more Americans voted for democratic house members in 2012 so you’re only able to wield any power because if gerrymandering. So congrats, you win. Now what?

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 6:48 AM

I saw that marcus…

Heh

Joe has a spine every once in awhile

cmsinaz on October 1, 2013 at 6:50 AM

I saw that, Marcus. She was not happy!

Naturally Curly on October 1, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Gop needs to keep hammering about all the delays and exemptions by dear leader…..

Screw the lsm… they are going to fight us every step if the way

Fight on!

cmsinaz on October 1, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Dingy Harry’s senate hasn’t passed a budget in 5 years. If they had, we wouldn’t need a continuing resolution. Do the Republicans really need me to point this out???

Naturally Curly on October 1, 2013 at 6:57 AM

Now what?

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Aw –Polly wanna cracker?

Get some new material.

CW on October 1, 2013 at 6:57 AM

Libfree…fu…freak. Perv.

CW on October 1, 2013 at 6:58 AM

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Wassamatta, perfesser? Anxious to get all the attention that Sebellius promised you and your “friends” through Obamacare?

kingsjester on October 1, 2013 at 7:00 AM

It’s right at the top of the center column of The Drudge Report. D’oh!

Naturally Curly on October 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM

Congrats. You got what you wanted. And you got the media to pretend that even though ACA was lawfully passed (according to the Constitution ) and was approved by the SupremecCourt and defacto voted for by the American people in 2012., that this is equal on both siides. also remember that more Americans voted for democratic house members in 2012 so you’re only able to wield any power because if gerrymandering. So congrats, you win. Now what?

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Yay! We won! :)

OdumbaCare was ruled to be a tax by the SC after 0dumba condescendingly attacked those who said otherwise; 0dumba told us we could keep out health care plans…why don’t you care more about his abusive psychological problems & all of the damage he causes others because of his own failure to resolve them in a healthy, mature manner, you perpetual, sycophantic twit?

Anti-Control on October 1, 2013 at 7:04 AM

Cher blocked me on Twitter! I can no longer respond to her posts on her feed.

bluegill on October 1, 2013 at 7:04 AM

Seems to me that the “shutdown” is giving us an idea of what “government services” aren’t essential….and therefore are good candidates to consider for defunding permanently.

ProfShadow on October 1, 2013 at 7:07 AM

The government workers get paid too much, anyway.

bluegill on October 1, 2013 at 7:08 AM

Now what?

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Maybe launch an aggressive campaign to secure the border and police the interior, repeal the Affordable Care Act, and dismantle Common Core, all in concert with a social upheaval where the arts and the Academy are assaulted in mass by people with conservative values.

. . . prolly not though.

Cher blocked me on Twitter! I can no longer respond to her posts on her feed.

bluegill on October 1, 2013 at 7:04 AM

lol — consider putting that in your bio. “Blocked by Cher.”

Axe on October 1, 2013 at 7:20 AM

lol — consider putting that in your bio. “Blocked by Cher.”
Axe on October 1, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Haha, done!

bluegill on October 1, 2013 at 7:25 AM

Libfree- yeh we’re a representative democracy..not a pure democracy…good of you to notice. Say 30 of 50 Statehouses are lead by GOPers.Were those gerrymandered? (and most states have a GOP advantage in their Houses and Senates) I wonder have Dems have gerrymandered?/ You’re so bought. Not an original thought in the little head.

CW on October 1, 2013 at 7:26 AM

Messing with the obamacare healthcare.gov. The website is a complete wreck an here is my message:

“Create a Marketplace account

Important: Your account couldnt be created at this time. The system is unavailable.”

Guess they “couldnt” get the English correct either.

Panther on October 1, 2013 at 7:32 AM

Now what?
libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Probably a new CR from the repubs that ties funding to a repeal of ACA, an overturn of Roe v. Wade,
a flat tax, abolishment of the Federal Reserve, a defunding of the NEA, national ‘papers please’ law for any who ‘looks foreign’, removal of warnings from cigarettes, and a change from ‘In God We Trust’ to ‘Praise Jesus’.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 7:40 AM

OT: Turned on Moaning Joe to see how many were lighting their hair on fire. At a commercial break, I saw a Lean Forward ad with Alex Wagner declaring the minimum wage to be foundational to American economic security.

Are liberals absolute idiots?

Even libfree has to be embarrassed by that?

BuckeyeSam on October 1, 2013 at 7:49 AM

I’d be more sympathetic to the R’s if they had the slightest bit of leadership ability…or political ability. It is absurd to trot out Rove after his being a two time loser…esp. after his bizarre performance on election night. The guy is a loser squared.

So are the rest of GOP-e. They hate the TP. Now how stupid is that. CK is not the problem..he is just a pundit. The problem is the GOPe.

I think barry is thrilled with this. Leadership is the ability to get your troops informed, organized and motivated. And it requires forward thinking wrt your opposition.

Does any of that describe the GOPe? Of course not. They lurch from one thing to another (soon they’ll lobby to pass immigration)

bib business doesn’t care…they’ll make money coming and going. That is what they do. So the GOPe represents the wrong people….they do not represent conservatives

r keller on October 1, 2013 at 2:29 AM
………………….

Great post.
Zero has never ever offered to negotiate with our side on anything and now all of a sudden we think he will cave? NOt likely.Besdies he does not care!
What we are witnessing is high stakes poker game with one side full of rookies and the other side full of sharks.
We will get eaten.

rodguy911 on October 1, 2013 at 7:49 AM

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 6:48 AM

You’re incorrect lib. This is what Reid and Obama caused by not working with republicans. Zero will negotiate with Putin, assad and the Iranian terrorists, thugs and dictators and even after illegally granting exemption to all of congress, big business and a couple states, he still demands to force it on those of us that never wanted it.

Put the blame where it belongs. YOU own this. Boner caved. He sais ok let’s just delay it for everyone and erase the exemptions.

Reid and the dems said no! We are better than the American people. We are the ruling class!! No ZeroCare ™ for us!

And you’re ok with that, which makes you a NOZZLE.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 7:54 AM

Messing with the obamacare healthcare.gov. The website is a complete wreck an here is my message:

“Create a Marketplace account

Important: Your account couldnt be created at this time. The system is unavailable.”

Guess they “couldnt” get the English correct either.

Panther on October 1, 2013 at 7:32 AM
……………………
Yesterday on Limbaugh a caller who sells insurance told about how he and many others had made the effort to take the course to actually sell o-care. In the end they all had to go on-line to register. Computer won’t let them register won’t acknowledge pasword or name.Can you spell chaos?
The hard left has had years to get all this right. If that was indeed the goal. Never has been.It’s all chaos,cloward piven,destruction of the economy, nationalization of 1/6 of the economy. By now we all get it here.

rodguy911 on October 1, 2013 at 7:56 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 7:40 AM

Sure, let’s see what everyone is for and against while we are at it. Refresh everyone’s memory.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 7:57 AM

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 7:54 AM

By your logic the USS Cole blew itself up.
You wouldn’t blame on the guys who actually did the bombing.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 8:01 AM

Well the markets are happy:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/first-day-shutdown-futures-were-giddy

/facepalm for the libs.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 8:01 AM

Dingy Harry’s senate hasn’t passed a budget in 5 years. If they had, we wouldn’t need a continuing resolution. Do the Republicans really need me to point this out???

Naturally Curly on October 1, 2013 at 6:57 AM

Yes, yes they do. Along with wall to wall TV ads and full page ads in papers. But instead they prefer to run around with “Kick Me” signs.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 8:02 AM

So the socialist Democrat party has ‘shut the government down’. It’s what they want.

Stand firm GOP, BUT GET THE MESSAGE OUT WHO DID THIS!

TerryW on October 1, 2013 at 8:02 AM

Sure, let’s see what everyone is for and against while we are at it. Refresh everyone’s memory.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 7:57 AM

There are a whole bunch of people too busy playing GTA V who have no clue anything happened.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 8:03 AM

And a little historical replay of just how Obamacare was passed into law, without allowing any Republican input and a single Republican vote, in the dead of night at Christmas might not be a bad idea right now either. I believe the phrase used by the president was “I won.”.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 8:05 AM

So the socialist Democrat party has ‘shut the government down’. It’s what they want.

Stand firm GOP, BUT GET THE MESSAGE OUT WHO DID THIS!

TerryW on October 1, 2013 at 8:02 AM

The message is speeding across the land. The socialist demturds don’t want ZeroCare for themselves, or their donors in big business, but they want to shove it onto us working men and women.

They formally announced they are aristocrats and above the law. Along with all the other government workers.

They said they are our superiors, better than those of us that work hard to support our families and that we must sacrifice for THEM, to enrich THEM, to gives them lives of ease while we sweat and struggle.

That’s what Obama really said. That’s what Harry Reid said.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 8:08 AM

So the socialist Democrat party has ‘shut the government down’. It’s what they want.

Stand firm GOP, BUT GET THE MESSAGE OUT WHO DID THIS!

TerryW on October 1, 2013 at 8:02 AM

I’m not convinced that this “shutdown” is the political winner the Dems think it is. Unpopular President, unpopular law, more media acccess to real Americans than in 1995. Put simply the Dems are not going to be able to get away with the lies they are telling right now.

For example, the fact that the Senate refuses to even discuss the issue should be highlighted. If the Dems really care about resolution, they should be working with the House not spitting at it. The lazy stupid coward in the White House should be meeting with Congressional leaders not telling Boehner to cave.

We’ll see.

Happy Nomad on October 1, 2013 at 8:08 AM

That’s a patently ridiculous statement, even for you verby.

Boehner funded the government. THREE TIMES. All he did was ask for a delay of the train wreck Reid doesn’t even believe in.

If Reid loves ZeroCare so much why doesn’t he want it himself? LIAR.

Reid and Zero EXEMPTED THEMSELVES. They DELAYED ZeroCare for their business pals for a year.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 7:57 AM

Doggonit, my frosted cherry and plain strawberry pop tarts are missing. I should have stayed awake for the apocalypse. Grrr…

Fallon on October 1, 2013 at 8:18 AM

Fallon on October 1, 2013 at 8:18 AM

As to the frosted cherry……..it was not me. The rest, I’m gonna be Lois Lerner and take the Fifth.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Many more people are wondering, “what’s supposed to be the big deal of it shuts down again?”

bluegill on October 1, 2013 at 8:34 AM

And a little historical replay of just how Obamacare was passed into law, without allowing any Republican input and a single Republican vote, in the dead of night at Christmas might not be a bad idea right now either. I believe the phrase used by the president was “I won.”.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 8:05 AM

I agree.

Here’s just some of the deceitful wrangling that the Democrats went through to pass Obamacare…

First, they stole an election in Minnesota.

The Dems didn’t really start moving on Obamacare in Congress until Al Franken was seated and gave them the 60 votes they needed to break a filibuster in the Senate.

Then Teddy Kennedy died and Dems lost their 60th Senate vote…

… and the MA rules had been changed in 2004 (at Teddy Kennedy’s insistance) so that only a vote of the people (not a Governor’s appointment by then-Governor Mitt Romney) could have filled John Kerry’s Senate seat had he won the Presidential election.

The Democrats didn’t want to follow their own rules and wait for the January election, so they CHANGED THE RULES to allow the now-Democrat MA Governor to appoint one of Teddy Kennedy’s staff (Paul Kirk) to that seat until the January special election. Paul Kirk gave Democrats the 60th vote in the Senate on Christmas eve 2009.

When they lost that seat in January 2010 to Scott Brown, they again lost the 60th Senate seat. So, they could no longer break filibusters. And the House did not want to pass the Senate bill. For a while, it looked like a stalemate, and looked like Obamacare would die.

But the Dems finally agreed amongst themselves to couple two actions together:
1) pass the Senate bill in the House (with weak promises not to fund abortions with taxpayer money), then
2) pass a new bill in the House with “Fixes”, including the takeover of the student loan industry, and then pass that new bill through the Senate using the Reconciliation process, requiring only 51 votes.

All of that was necessary for Democrats to pass Obamacare, against the wishes of the majority of Americans and against the will of every single Republican in Congress.

The whole process, from start to finish, epitomizes the very, very worst of politics in this country, especially the corrupt practices of the Democrat Party.

ITguy on October 1, 2013 at 8:39 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 7:40 AM
Sure, let’s see what everyone is for and against while we are at it. Refresh everyone’s memory.
Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 7:57 AM

Who said anything about what ‘everyone’ is for?
You sound like Cruz.
This is a few demanding what some favor.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Now what?

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 6:48 AM

People start noticing that there’s a lot of public sector grifters feeding at the trough?

mudskipper on October 1, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Who said anything about what ‘everyone’ is for?
You sound like Cruz.
This is a few demanding what some favor.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Like your healthcare? Thanks for the increase in my rates you fcking sack of sh1t.

Why are you not man enough to pay for your own adult responsibilities?

ClassicCon on October 1, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Go get your health care, it’s FREEEEEeeeeeE!!

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What happens then? Do you get referred to the Death Panel?

mudskipper on October 1, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Congrats. You got what you wanted. [blah blah blah]
Now what?
libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 6:48 AM

“Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God.” – Thomas Jefferson

Skywise on October 1, 2013 at 9:05 AM

The last budget passed by a Republican House, Republican Senate, and Republican President was passed in 2006 for FY 2007.

Compare FY 2014 estimated receipts to FY 2007 actual outlays.

Table 1.1—Summary of Receipts, Outlays, and Surpluses or Deficits (-): 1789–2018
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/hist01z1.xls)

FY 2014 estimated Receipts: $3,033,618 Million (a.k.a. $3,034 Billion a.k.a. $3.034 Trillion)

FY 2007 actual Outlays: $2,728,686 Million (a.k.a. $2,729 Billion a.k.a. $2.729 Trillion)

The House should pass a CR that only funds those things which were in the FY 2007 budget, and at FY 2007 outlay amounts.

If the FY 2014 estimated receipts posted on the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) web site are accurate, then keeping FY 2014 outlays to FY 2007 amounts would result in a budget SURPLUS of $305 BILLION in FY 2014.

We don’t have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem.

The FY 2007 deficit was less than $161 Billion. The average Democrat-majority deficit over the last 6 Fiscal Years has been $1,088 Billion ($1.088 TRILLION)… OVER SIX TIMES (nearly SEVEN TIMES) the size of the annual deficit they inherited from the outgoing Republican majority!

Hold spending to the amounts of the last Republican budget (FY 2007) and we will run a SURPLUS in FY 2014.

But instead of spending $2.729 Trillion like Republicans did in FY 2007, the current Democrat majority wants to spend $3.778 Trillion in FY 2014. Democrats want spending to be over a Trillion dollars more than it was in FY 2007.

ITguy on October 1, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Who said anything about what ‘everyone’ is for?
You sound like Cruz.
This is a few demanding what some favor.
verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 8:44 AM
Like your healthcare? Thanks for the increase in my rates you fcking sack of sh1t.
Why are you not man enough to pay for your own adult responsibilities?
ClassicCon on October 1, 2013 at 8:55 AM

F. O. S. cries P. O. S.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 9:06 AM

libfreeordie on October 1, 2013 at 6:48 AM

You’re incorrect lib troll. This is what Reid and Obama caused by not working with republicans. Zero will negotiate with Putin, assad and the Iranian terrorists, thugs and dictators and even after illegally granting exemption to all of congress, big business and a couple states, he still demands to force it on those of us that never wanted it.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 7:54 AM

Spot on, with one revision.

Obamacare is completely and entirely a Democratic Party creation. And Comrade O and his apparatchiks had to bribe and arm twist many of their own Party members to ram it through in an unprecedented way. It is a mess that to this day no one really understands, other the parts that gives extraordinary powers to the executive to grant exceptions and make things up as they go. Almost everyone understands that by now.

From the start no Republican was consulted about any of it. There have never been any negotiations with Republicans. And to this day not one Republican has ever supported it.

Plus, polling has never shown majority support for it.

It is little wonder that the GOP is using whatever leverage it has to continue to oppose it and keep the issue alive.

And yet Dear Leader is perfectly willing to negotiate with our enemies.

farsighted on October 1, 2013 at 9:07 AM

F. O. S. cries P. O. S.

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Answer the question pvssy.

Why are you not man enough to pay for your own adult responsibilities?

I am guessing like most libs no father figure in your life…probably slept in your mother’s bed until you were 8.

ClassicCon on October 1, 2013 at 9:13 AM

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Darlin, when the members vote for or against something, the answer is obvious. Reid called the tax on devices the stupid tax but couldn’t even vote to get rid of it because of his “ethical” stand on a clean CR. Surely you don’t think games are being played on only one side?

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2013 at 9:17 AM

My take: “Welcome to Obamacare…and Government-Funded Hedonism”

kingsjester on October 1, 2013 at 6:30 AM

…let ‘er burn!

KOOLAID2 on October 1, 2013 at 9:19 AM

My understanding is the US government spends a whole lot more each day then it takes in. Hence we have a deficit. A large deficit. Is anyone here good enough with math to figure out how long the government needs to stay shut down to clear that debt?

Bmore on October 1, 2013 at 9:57 AM

The longer the government stays closed, the better chance that Ryan’s amnesty trickery is going down. Win/win.

Mr. Arrogant on October 1, 2013 at 10:27 AM

BUCK FARA…

BUCK FA…

BUC…

B….

*gasp*
*choke*
*coug*

must…get…free…healthcare…losing…powers…can’t….seeeee

Nutstuyu on October 1, 2013 at 11:08 AM

farsighted on October 1, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Absolutely correct.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2013 at 12:16 PM

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