House Dems to Boehner: If you drop the ObamaCare demands and pass a clean CR, we’ll accept sequestration spending levels; Update: Could next House CR fail?

posted at 4:01 pm on September 30, 2013 by Allahpundit

I’m surprised they’d even offer. A little while ago, I tweeted out a question: Since there are surely more than 30 Republicans who’d vote for Reid’s clean CR, why doesn’t Pelosi bring a discharge petition forcing Boehner to hold a vote on it? That’s an unorthodox procedure, granted, but this is an unusual situation. When people inevitably complain that the minority caucus has usurped the power of the majority in the House, Pelosi could simply say that that’s what Republicans were trying to do in the Senate. Boehner would probably welcome it, frankly, since the result would be to avoid the shutdown while also absolving him of any personal responsibility for caving.

The answer to my question, as about 50 different people noted, is that Pelosi and the Democrats want a shutdown. Fair enough (although you may see the “discharge petition” strategy revived for the debt-ceiling fight). If they want a shutdown, though, why offer Boehner anything? Tell him to pass a bill at the spending levels Democrats prefer. No compromise. Take it or leave it. Instead:

Locking in sequestration spending levels for the next, er, six weeks would let Boehner save a teeny tiny bit of face in caving. He’s not at that point yet — Plan C in the House, now that Reid’s killed the last House CR, is to demand a one-year delay to the individual mandate plus passage of Vitter’s amendment denying ObamaCare subsidies for Congress and staff — but the fact that the House GOP has now lowered its ask price three times suggests that we’re heading for a cave sooner rather than later. National Journal reports that House Republicans seemed split coming out of the caucus meeting this afternoon, with Don Young claiming that they don’t have the votes to do anything right now. To put it mildly:

NJ claims that Plan C won’t be voted on in the House until 6 p.m. ET at the earliest. Does that mean a clean CR is shaping up as Plan D very late tonight, right before midnight? Nope, says Paul Ryan: There’s no way they’ll do that before the deadline. Maybe that’s the outline of a compromise within the GOP — force a shutdown for some predetermined period and then, if Democrats haven’t softened on ObamaCare by the end of it due to the public outcry, Boehner gets to float a clean CR at sequestration spending levels. That might get him a majority of Republicans; conservatives will still vote no, but if he follows the Hastert Rule, it might protect his own standing within the caucus. If, per the clip below, Charlie Dent is already talking openly about a clean CR, there must be a fair number of centrist GOPers who are already ready to cave.

The good-ish news this afternoon is that, per WaPo’s new poll, the public disapproves of how Obama, congressional Democrats, and congressional Republicans have handled this process. The GOP gets it the worst at 26/63 but across-the-board thumbs down are not the stuff of which lasting political defeats are made. Exit quotation from smilin’ Harry Reid, ever the diplomat: “If we can’t pass this, we’re only truly entering a banana republican mindset.”

Update: So that’s what Don Young meant when he said they don’t have the votes for anything.

Some House conservatives won’t vote for Plan C (a one-year delay of the mandate plus the Vitter amendment) because it’s too weak compared to defunding. Some House centrists won’t vote for it because, I guess, they’re tired of playing games with hours to go before shutdown by passing bills that are clearly doomed in the Senate. Possible result: The new House CR might actually fail as righties and moderates join Democrats in voting no. What Boehner does after that embarrassment, with his own caucus having fallen apart, I have no idea.


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The long con continues…

Akzed on September 30, 2013 at 4:03 PM

IOW, give Obama everything, including SequesterSquatch, which was his idea in the first place?

Resist We Much on September 30, 2013 at 4:03 PM

DONT BACK DOWN!

watertown on September 30, 2013 at 4:03 PM

What happened to the clean CR for the DoD? Ay news?

catmman on September 30, 2013 at 4:06 PM

No deal. Repeal that mo fo

El_Terrible on September 30, 2013 at 4:07 PM

House Dems to Boehner: If you drop the ObamaCare demands and pass a clean CR, we’ll accept sequestration spending levels

That is not a deal, that is a demand…..screw them

redguy on September 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Oh, Heck NO!

Repubs should not give in to dem trickery.

Kevin K. on September 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

This

I will not comply because I am a free citizen of the United States, not a subject of its government. I consider non-compliance with this monstrosity and the tens of thousands of pages of regulations that are to be enforced by an unelected bureaucracy, and that have left a gigantic carbon footprint on our environment and the United States Constitution, a duty.

Non-compliance is my executive order, and that order reads in part that I do not recognize any government’s claim on my action or inaction in the marketplace, nor upon any personal information I am unwilling to divulge.

Schadenfreude on September 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Screw ‘em. Make them beg.

This only serves their constituents.

Droopy on September 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Maybe that’s the outline of a compromise within the GOP — force a shutdown for some predetermined period and then, if Democrats haven’t softened on ObamaCare by the end of it due to the public outcry, Boehner gets to float a clean CR at sequestration spending levels. That might get him a majority of Republicans; conservatives will still vote no, but if he follows the Hastert Rule, it might protect his own standing within the caucus. If, per the clip below, Charlie Dent is already talking openly about a clean CR, there must be a fair number of centrist GOPers who are already ready to cave.

If they’re gonna cave, then why not do it now? Why force a shutdown only to get nothing for it? Then you get the worst of both worlds. You give the Democrat/media complex a talking point heading into 2014 and you p-ss off the base with yet another capitulation on spending and Obamacare.

Doughboy on September 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

This is old news. Democrats have talked about this for days. Besides, isn’t the sequester already the “law of the land”? I think I heard someplace that status means it can longer even be discussed.

MTF on September 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM

“If we can’t pass this, we’re only truly entering a banana republican mindset.”

Agreed, because representative republics are known for having one party making all the decisions without anyone interfering within the boundaries of law.

Bishop on September 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Wait, how is this not a case of “give us everything we want, and we have a deal”?

Chris of Rights on September 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM

I understand the need to make the political points and force the Senate Dems to vote repeatedly against defunding, delays, medical device tax repeal, et.al. but the only good card left is the Vitter amendment.

The entire episode is STUPID – accept the sequestration levels and give the American people all the Obamacare they voted for. They can revisit everything with the debt ceiling.

The shutdown is suicidal for the GOP, steps on the entire week message of how awful Obamacare is, and will be.

matthew8787 on September 30, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Why should the house Republicans even listen to the House Dems? Isn’t it be the Senate Democrats they should be negotiating with? The House GOP can pass whatever they want with or without the House Democrats’ votes.

Mohonri on September 30, 2013 at 4:10 PM

I think I heard someplace that status means it can longer even be discussed. MTF on September 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM

It may be, but only in the most reverent tone.

Akzed on September 30, 2013 at 4:11 PM

You bunch of pissants. tell these lousy communists that they don’t get a damned thing for that piece of shite law, repeal the device tax, and keep the military afloat. Do. Not. Back. Down. Now.

HomeoftheBrave on September 30, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Schadenfreude on September 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Responded to you on the Hudson thread. Do you not think this would be a good idea?

Barred on September 30, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Maybe that’s the outline of a compromise within the GOP — force a shutdown for some predetermined period and then, if Democrats haven’t softened on ObamaCare by the end of it due to the public outcry, Boehner gets to float a clean CR at sequestration spending levels.


Now where have I heard this general surrender-monkey reasoning before?

OH! That’s right, it was right here when the “planes falling from the sky” sequestration propaganda was in full bloom and AP was listing out the very good reasons why the GOP would be forced to cave (it’s a reflex RINO reaction directly related to the “fight or flight” instinct) when sequestration started to BITE!

PolAgnostic on September 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Boehner: “We can’t let the government shutdown….we’ll look bad”

pssst….its not the government shutdown that makes you look bad.

BobMbx on September 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM

At this point, we have nothing more to lose by shutdown. We’ve already got the egg on our face. Might as well just go ahead and play chicken. Shut it down, for several weeks, combine the budget and the debt ceiling.

If all else fails, require that all of Obamacare of into effect immediately. No delays. No exemptions. They love it so much, let them suck on it.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 30, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Possible result: The new House CR might actually fail as righties and moderates join Democrats in voting no. What Boehner does after that embarrassment, with his own caucus having fallen apart, I have no idea.

Get drunk and resign?

Doughboy on September 30, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Looks like a shutdown, yeahhhh!!!

Schadenfreude on September 30, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Responded to you on the Hudson thread. Do you not think this would be a good idea?

Barred on September 30, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Yes, I do. I sent you the points :)

Schadenfreude on September 30, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Shut it down . Democrats need government. Shut it down!

birdwatcher on September 30, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Boner will drink, cry and resign, as he should.

Hah, this is too much fun.

Let it shut!!!

Schadenfreude on September 30, 2013 at 4:16 PM

What Boehner does after that embarrassment, with his own caucus having fallen apart, I have no idea.

Starts bawling on live tv while being hugged by McCain who says to the camera, “Look. What. YOU’VE. Done!”

Bishop on September 30, 2013 at 4:17 PM

What Boehner does after that embarrassment, with his own caucus having fallen apart, I have no idea.

Hit a bucket of balls on the driving range, then a quick run through the tanning machine before finding a live tv news crew and dribbling out a tear or two?

BobMbx on September 30, 2013 at 4:18 PM

What Boehner does after that embarrassment, with his own caucus having fallen apart, I have no idea.

He’ll send out Peter King and John McCain to call us right wing extremists of course.

If they’re gonna cave, then why not do it now? Why force a shutdown only to get nothing for it? Then you get the worst of both worlds. You give the Democrat/media complex a talking point heading into 2014 and you p-ss off the base with yet another capitulation on spending and Obamacare.

Doughboy on September 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

They need this shutdown to happen to try and discredit Ted Cruz and the informal conservative caucus. If Boehner can get some of them to panic and cave, then he and the GOP leadership will be in a much stronger position internally. It’s not the Boehnerites who need to be told not to cave, it’s the conservatives, who will be made to feel isolated, alone, and extreme by their colleagues and the media.

Part of the reason the conservatives feel energized to risk a shutdown in the first place is because of the overwhelming support from the base during the Cruz filibuster.

A shutdown might also give Boehner a way to dismiss the Hastert Rule. “We can’t let this tiny minority of right wing extremists hold our party hostage!” will be the rallying cry.

Doomberg on September 30, 2013 at 4:20 PM

I understand the need to make the political points and force the Senate Dems to vote repeatedly against defunding, delays, medical device tax repeal, et.al. but the only good card left is the Vitter amendment.

The entire episode is STUPID – accept the sequestration levels and give the American people all the Obamacare they voted for. They can revisit everything with the debt ceiling.

The shutdown is suicidal for the GOP, steps on the entire week message of how awful Obamacare is, and will be.

matthew8787 on September 30, 2013 at 4:10 PM

No, there are a lot of good cards left. In fact, I’d say that the GOP has more good cards left than the Dems in this fight.

Let the government shut down for a couple days. Then start passing individual bills that fund ONLY selected parts of the government. Military personnel need pay? Fine. We’ll pass that. Need funding for USPS? Done. The Dems will have a hard time explaining why they won’t pass these things.

Leave the agencies/departments affected by ObamaCare for last. Then play the same game with those. Pass funding bills for that explicitly exclude funding for ObamaCare. If Dems want to go to the mat to allow HHS and the IRS to invade your privacy, the GOP should take that fight.

Chris of Rights on September 30, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Harry Reid said he looked up what the word ludicrous means. I would say, Harry look in the mirror.

birdwatcher on September 30, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Schadenfreude on September 30, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Thanks. Going to post the idea everywhere I can.

Barred on September 30, 2013 at 4:21 PM

The scumhag

Schadenfreude on September 30, 2013 at 4:21 PM

If the House doesn’t fund Obamacare, Obamacare dies.

This would ultimate betrayal, the House funding Obamacare.

Fund each Department, one at a time. Defense first, VA next. HHS last. No bill to fund EPA. No funding for AF1.

anotherJoe on September 30, 2013 at 4:22 PM

O-Care has to go. Look at this tweet. Even the left is running.

Albert Brooks ‏@AlbertBrooks 14m
I don’t want to say the health exchanges are confusing, but I think I just booked a room at the Sheraton.

Oil Can on September 30, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Going to post the idea everywhere I can.

Barred on September 30, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Let it crash!!!

Schadenfreude on September 30, 2013 at 4:23 PM

There must be a deal in the works because the Rodeo Clown is gonna speak at 4:45 p.m. No doubt he’s planning on grinding the GOP’s collective faces into the ground in hopes that he’ll piss enough of them off to force a shutdown. Absent a shutdown, all the news going forward will be what a colossal train wreck the Rodeo Clown-care roll out is. This bill when in effect is going to have so much wrong with it the Supremes will have to revisit, and I don’t think Roberts will make the same mistake twice. THAT is the Rodeo Clown’s biggest fear – that he’ll get an “Oh, yeah, it’s a tax, but you don’t have to pay it” from the Supremes.

Rational Thought on September 30, 2013 at 4:24 PM

The entire episode is STUPID – accept the sequestration levels and give the American people all the Obamacare they voted for. They can revisit everything with the debt ceiling.

The shutdown is suicidal for the GOP, steps on the entire week message of how awful Obamacare is, and will be.

matthew8787 on September 30, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Sorry, you’re just wrong. We don’t have time to wait for public disapproval to rise from 55% (about where it is now) to 65% or whatever. We also don’t have time to wait for a Republican president and a Congressional supermajority to save us some 10+ years down the line. We don’t have a few trillion to throw away on more “social experiments.”

If any changes are made to Obamacare after this, they will just be “fixes” and “tweaks.”

Opposition to Obamacare is about as high as it’s going to reasonably get. This is the last change we have to make a dent in this turkey. The time to fight is now.

Doomberg on September 30, 2013 at 4:27 PM

What Boehner does after that embarrassment, with his own caucus having fallen apart, I have no idea.

What he was always planning on doing – SURRENDER!

Steve Eggleston on September 30, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Albert Brooks ‏@AlbertBrooks 14m
I don’t want to say the health exchanges are confusing, but I think I just booked a room at the Sheraton.

Oil Can on September 30, 2013 at 4:22 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Bishop on September 30, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Shut down, GOP caves and gets blamed for it all, demand win majority in 2014, we get amnesty and democratic supermajority for eternity. Oh and single payer that Hillary will implement because obamamcare doesn’t work.

mrscullen on September 30, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Why are we fighting a battle already won? The sequester is yesterday’s battle and was the scalp the GOP took for Obama getting his tax raise.

The dirty secret, however, is that both party establishments want the sequester gone.

A supposed CR compromise that is at sequestration spending levels means squat because they will alter it in the debt ceiling deal.

TheRightMan on September 30, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Why are they trying to do a plan C? Screw the senate. The House gave it their best shot. Shut it down and see how long the dems hold out when their constituents start calling them, if they even notice a difference. Bonehead and ever R in the House need to get in front of a every camera in the country and blame Reid for this.

Kissmygrits on September 30, 2013 at 4:29 PM

This bill when in effect is going to have so much wrong with it the Supremes will have to revisit, and I don’t think Roberts will make the same mistake twice.

Rational Thought on September 30, 2013 at 4:24 PM

The Supreme Court is not going to save us. That ship has sailed. The best we can expect is “fixes” and “tweaks” if the courts take it up again… and this assumes Obama doesn’t have some kind of leverage over Roberts.

Doomberg on September 30, 2013 at 4:30 PM

I friggin give up…Let it burn

sandee on September 30, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Each CR should simply get harder and harder for the Dems to swallow – to the point where they start looking back to the first and second ones and saying, ‘hey, those weren’t so bad, actually – can we do *that*?’

F*ck em.

Midas on September 30, 2013 at 4:32 PM

They have had all year to plot strategy and make compromise deals on this crap.Seeing that stupid count down clock makes me want to open up.In the Army we planned training 3 to 4 months out to cover all bases and these jokes wait until it’s a full blown crisis then shove it down the middle classes throats.

docflash on September 30, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Face it, we are here because of grassroots activism melting the phone lines into the Capitol. Boehner is caught between establishment Republicans and the other kind. This isn’t Pickett’s charge, it is like fighting with the French. In other words, Not everyone with you in the trenches has the the same level of commitment.

But there is more to it than a reprise of the Obamacare debate. Congressmen have constituents who are losing full-time employment, or have received the letter about how much their healthcare premiums are going up, or discovered they can’t keep their doctor or healthplan. For most Americans a partial shutdown of government means nothing. They want their representatives to fight. Boehner and the other Quislings are more concerned with keeping things “civil” so that the cocktail parties and state dinners don’t turn awkward. If that means a few days without the Pandacam, so be it.

We need new leadership. And somebody needs to tell Barbara Mikulski what “tea bagging” means. I’m tempted to suggest everybody send her videos explaining the difference but even her worthless staff doesn’t deserve that.

Happy Nomad on September 30, 2013 at 4:33 PM

If Bonehead caves now and any other R with him, they might as well find a new line of employment cuz they won’t be back after ’14.

Kissmygrits on September 30, 2013 at 4:34 PM

House rules committee Democrats: “You know the Senate will not compromise?” And who’s shutting this down?

Rovin on September 30, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Locking in sequestration spending levels for the next, er, six weeks seconds would let Boehner save a teeny tiny bit of face in caving.

kunegetikos on September 30, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Seeing that stupid count down clock makes me want to open up.

docflash on September 30, 2013 at 4:32 PM

I missed the ceremonial posting of the countdown clock? Oh pooh! that’s always a fun event.

They say the lazy stupid coward will speak at 4:45 (which means 5- ish). What exactly do you suppose he can say at this point that we haven’t heard before.

Happy Nomad on September 30, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Let the government shut down for a couple days. Then start passing individual bills that fund ONLY selected parts of the government. Military personnel need pay? Fine. We’ll pass that…

Chris of Rights on September 30, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Okay as far as it goes. How about shut it down permanently, except for those few individual bills. i.e. Let them start from zero and argue about what to spend, rather than starting from a bloated mess and arguing about how to trim around the margins.

Fenris on September 30, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Opposition to Obamacare is about as high as it’s going to reasonably get. This is the last change we have to make a dent in this turkey. The time to fight is now.

Doomberg on September 30, 2013 at 4:27 PM

There was a presidential election over this matter. The GOP lost. They also lost ground in Senate control, over which Obamacare was fought.

Elections have consequences.

The GOP is stepping on its own message. Give the American people all the Obamacre they voted for — with the Vitter amendment.

matthew8787 on September 30, 2013 at 4:39 PM

No deal. Don’t vote. Let it shut down. The only people hurt are lib voters and public sector unions.

Iblis on September 30, 2013 at 4:41 PM

“If the EPA how I’m going to know not to pollute. With the Dept of Education how is my child going to learn.”

Crazy Lefties.

Oil Can on September 30, 2013 at 4:42 PM

The one-year delay was always a politically stupid and counter-productive move — saves the RATS chestnuts from the 2014 fire.

The Vitter amendment, however, is good optics, good policy, and good politics.

matthew8787 on September 30, 2013 at 4:43 PM

this doesn’t end well…for anybody. my 401K took a good hit in the last week..

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 30, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Elections have consequences.

The GOP is stepping on its own message. Give the American people all the Obamacre they voted for — with the Vitter amendment.

matthew8787 on September 30, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Every single member of the House won their election in 2012 too. They were given marching orders by their constituents which didn’t necessarily include caving to the inevitabilty of Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on September 30, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Why are they trying to do a plan C? Screw the senate. The House gave it their best shot. Shut it down and see how long the dems hold out when their constituents start calling them, if they even notice a difference. Bonehead and ever R in the House need to get in front of a every camera in the country and blame Reid for this.

Kissmygrits on September 30, 2013 at 4:29 PM

THIS! EXACTLY THIS! Most government employees are Democrats so they will be the first ones to start burning up those Democratic Congressmen and Senator phone lines

phoenixrisen on September 30, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Elections have consequences.

The GOP is stepping on its own message. Give the American people all the Obamacre they voted for — with the Vitter amendment.

matthew8787 on September 30, 2013 at 4:39 PM

I’m sorry, but I’m not really interested in having my taxes raised, my premiums go up, and the country go bankrupt because some people want to punish the country for not voting for Mitt Romney in 2012. We will probably lose but we won’t know for sure unless we actually try.

“Elections have consequences” is also not a “get out of jail free” card for the Republican leadership. Ted Cruz was elected too. Should his voice not be heard? Should all conservatives just stay quiet until 2016? Absolutely not.

Doomberg on September 30, 2013 at 4:48 PM

I say let the CR go through clean, keep the gov running, and let Obamacare be exposed to the unwashed masses. Talking about how really bad Obamacare might be and experiencing the wrath of Obamacare in all it’s gory details like limited coverage and much higher costs will make the disbelievers squeal for mercy. You can’t pass judgement on the whole mess until you actually slip on it’s moccasins.

timberline on September 30, 2013 at 4:48 PM

The Vitter amendment, however, is good optics, good policy, and good politics.

matthew8787 on September 30, 2013 at 4:43 PM

It is also toothless and you know it…

What is to stop them from getting pay raises to cover the cost of their healthcare?

Moreover, they have access to care that other Americans affected by Obamacare can only dream of.

TheRightMan on September 30, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Uh, no, that’s not possible. Dingbat Nancy already stated that there is no more room for cuts. Absolutely none. Sorry, Dems, you marxist liars.

HiJack on September 30, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Whom does it help / hurt the most if this deadline starts to merge with the debt ceiling deadline that is also hanging over the heads of Congress and the President?

There’s no reason why the GOP House cannot turn around and send back another 6-8 week CR that invalidates all of the waivers and exemptions – or just the waivers and exemptions for Congress and Federal Employees and leave it to ‘My way or the highway’ Dingy Harry Reid to decide to shutdown the government.

Keep the current offer – maintaining the spending levels at the GOP levels (post-sequester) in the back pocket and pull it out later in the week when the Democrats decide that they should at least offer the appearances of negotiating a solution. If they don’t – well, there is always the debt ceiling that is a few weeks off….with the embarrassment to the Admin and Democrats of another downgrade from the rating agencies very likely.

The conservative wing of the GOP has offered to talk, to negotiate, and has sent several CR’s to Dingy Harry. The one’s who need to be worried are the Democrats. Unfortunately the one’s who are worried are the ‘go along to get along’ Vichy Republicans. (I’m afraid one of them will do more to undermine things than anything the President, Reid, or the media can say or do.)

Athos on September 30, 2013 at 4:54 PM

I am sure that the kamikazes would be enraged at this “sell out” but since an O-care delay helps the Democrats and not Republicans in 2014 I take the view that this compromise is a smart play. For one thing I don’t think Reid will go for it. That being the case the Republican’s win the shutdown battle because Boehner would be the one the public sees as willing to compromise It would play out as Reid and Obama shutting down the government. A clear win for the Republicans.

What the Kamikazes don’t understand is that the O-care crash and burn on launch will be buried by the shutdown stories. A shutdown is a double loss for the Republicans. The public will turn against them and they won’t see the O-care disaster. That means the Obama and Democrats win the House next year. Just remember the Japanese Kamikazes were futile gesture that caused pain but had no impact on the outcome of the war. The fear of the Kamikaze is what ultimately got Japan nuked. If we play the legislative Kamikaze strategy the Republicans will be nuked next November and you can welcome the one party socialist state that we live in.

jerryofva on September 30, 2013 at 4:58 PM

ugggghhhh do we have to have pictures of Pelosi on the site.
Now I won’t be able to eat dinner when I get home.
Thanks

ouldbollix on September 30, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Some House centrists won’t vote for it because, I guess, they’re tired of playing games with hours to go before shutdown by passing bills that are clearly doomed in the Senate.

Good thing GOP leadership waited to try to do anything “meaningful” until there wasn’t any time left.

besser tot als rot on September 30, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Now there are two more things added to the sure thing list.

Prior:
Death
Taxes

Now add

The RINO’s will always give in to the Democrats when it counts.

It is a Two Party Evil Money Cult running a “con” and we are the “marks”.

Only way out is to vote out the RINO’s first.

Then deal with the commie Democrats.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on September 30, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Give Pelosi what she wants, SHUT IT DOWN!

GarandFan on September 30, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Example:

The people outside the msm, the two party evil money cult have facts to prove that the Al Gore/Commie Democrat/Earth First/Michael Mann/Hide the Decline, CO2 tax and spend fraud is 100% bull crap.

Hear any of the Republican leadership saying a single word on that?

Why?

Cause they are in on the “ear marks” and the “pork” the fraud crowd has in the pipe lines.

Every one knows the pipe line from Canadas oil sands would help cut off the money flow to the islamic reublic of Saudi, but are there any leaders of the Republican Party shouting from the house tops.

Why?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on September 30, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Count on Boehner and the establishment to do whatever is best for keeping themselves entrenched and in control of the GOP,the country be damned.Their enemy is not Obamacare,nor the Democrats,it is conservative upstarts.

redware on September 30, 2013 at 5:18 PM

The entire episode is STUPID – accept the sequestration levels and give the American people all the Obamacare they voted for. They can revisit everything with the debt ceiling.

The shutdown is suicidal for the GOP, steps on the entire week message of how awful Obamacare is, and will be.

matthew8787 on September 30, 2013 at 4:10 PM

The American people didn’t vote for ObamaCare. ObamaCare was passed using a legislative “trick” – IF you will remember – Scott Brown was elected Senator and he was the vote that was needed to maintain a filibuster – the Dims bypassed him and the entire Senate to ram O-Care down the people’s throats.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DIDN’T VOTE FOR OBAMACARE – LET’S GET THAT STRAIGHT.

And – a shutdown will hurt the GOP? Really – what does the GOP have left to lose? We in the South aren’t going to kick them out of office for shutting down the government and we might actually elect MORE of them.

Right now the GOP is a shambles – it’s not an effective party – certainly not an effective opposition party.

I say shut the government down (and I am a government worker by the way) … shut it the f*ck down and keep it down no matter what the media says and no matter what the polls say – we can KILL ObamaCare here and now.

HondaV65 on September 30, 2013 at 5:30 PM

What the Kamikazes don’t understand is that the O-care crash and burn on launch will be buried by the shutdown stories. A shutdown is a double loss for the Republicans. The public will turn against them and they won’t see the O-care disaster. That means the Obama and Democrats win the House next year. Just remember the Japanese Kamikazes were futile gesture that caused pain but had no impact on the outcome of the war. The fear of the Kamikaze is what ultimately got Japan nuked. If we play the legislative Kamikaze strategy the Republicans will be nuked next November and you can welcome the one party socialist state that we live in.

jerryofva on September 30, 2013 at 4:58 PM

You’re aweful optimistic that O-care will crash and burn.

Check this – Social Security has crashed and burned and … it’s still around.

Once O-Care goes into effect – it will stay in effect until this nation goes completely bankrupt.

HondaV65 on September 30, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Give Pelosi what she wants, SHUT IT DOWN!

GarandFan on September 30, 2013 at 5:05 PM


I wouldn’t void my bladder on Nancy Pelosi if she was on fire …

… but at this point I am completely comfortable with a government shutdown.

Somebody remind me again … what are the TERRIFYING consequences of the government being shutdown ???

(And don’t bother me with the “MSM will damn the Republicans!” – they have been damning REpublicans as long as I have been alive and the bulk of Americans no longer trust them.)

PolAgnostic on September 30, 2013 at 5:35 PM

The shutdown is suicidal for the GOP, steps on the entire week message of how awful Obamacare is, and will be.

matthew8787 on September 30, 2013 at 4:10 PM

.
If Obamacare is as awful as you say it is …

… why WOULDN’T a political party diametrically opposed to it do EVERYTHING they can to stop it?

Having PRINCIPLES and living up to them is SUICIDAL???

PolAgnostic on September 30, 2013 at 5:40 PM

On C-Span 1 and 2:

Vetter of La (R) is up on his amendment to end the exemption for Senate, House, White house members and staff from Oholecare.

Pete Sessions just put in the CR from the House with the same language.

So the Commie Democrats and the nut case hate America Ohole himself will have to say no to that, “We are special” and screw you little people.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on September 30, 2013 at 5:47 PM

I wouldn’t void my bladder on Nancy Pelosi if she was on fire …

Please, lets get it right:

“I wouldn’t piss in her mouth if her teeth were on fire”

BobMbx on September 30, 2013 at 6:05 PM

What Boehner does after that embarrassment, with his own caucus having fallen apart, I have no idea.

Adjourn.

This whole “stay in session and keep offering the Senate milk and cookies” business is ridiculous. Try “my way or the highway”….just adjourn for six months. The Senate can reconsider Plan A or Plan B, or DIAF, but the House has no obligation to offer anything else.

cthulhu on September 30, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Shut it down, and KEEP IT SHUT!!

Let them wait a week, a month whatever.

If not now when will they stand in EFFECTIVE opposition?

PappyD61 on September 30, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Wellllll lookie lookie what Paul Ryan is trying to push through on AMNESTY…..

Traitor to our nations sovereign borders!

http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/paul-ryan/

Lying filthy #%*}]## in Congress. Owned and operated by Big business donors.

PappyD61 on September 30, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Wellllll lookie lookie what Paul Ryan is trying to push through on AMNESTY…..

Yet, not a single topic on HA regarding it. Funny that.

Mr. Arrogant on September 30, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Like many people on both side of the O-care divide you don’t understand the program. O-care is not an entitlement. The public perceives an entitlement as something they get for free. O-care isn’t free, it is very costly. It amounts to a huge tax increase on virtually every individual and family in the nation. It isn’t going to be popular with the public. As far as Social Security and Medicare are concerned they will crash and burn in the future but they are functioning programs today. O-care crashes right out of the gate.

If you really believe that O-care has to be stopped before it starts or we are stuck with it means you believe the President is right. Once the public sees the program in action they will love it. If this is case then it must be a good program. Unlike you I think the people are going to figuring out what a turkey O-care is when it hits them in the pocketbook and delivers a worse product than they had before its existence. Before healthcare reform went into effect 85% of the people had health insurance and they were satisfied with it. When they get less care and pay more for it they will demand that program be scrapped. I repeat O-care is not an entitlement. It is not something for nothing. It isn’t free stuff. It amounts to a huge tax increase on the average American. It is doomed to fail. Let it fail and come down on the Democrats who forced this system on the American public.

jerryofva on September 30, 2013 at 7:04 PM

To me, the smart move, today, is to cave. BY that I mean send the senate a CR that only has removing the benefits the President slipped in for the House and the Senate, sometime referred to as the Vitter amendment. I would much rather see the Democrats just vote on that and then move on.

The next thing I would do would be to move on to a little media blitz on the Democrats, who were willing to shut down the government to save their special exemption. Let the people who have to apply for this Obamacare stuff and run into the problems most suspect they’re going to run into, and keep reminding them the Republicans, and only the Republicans, wanted to deal with these problems before they take place. It was only Obama and the Democrats who forced this thing through.

Now, some might disagree with that, but Reid really believes he’s smart playing his game and, in a way he is, so inflict some painful votes and them go on the attack.

bflat879 on September 30, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Let it burn!

Dollayo on September 30, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Went through the grant recipients in IL and no wonder BO won’t negotiate: he’s powing hundreds of millions of ACA tax dollars into the new version of ACORN. SEIU, pro-amnesty groups, LGBT advocates, even the United Way.

MarkT on October 1, 2013 at 12:39 AM