Shutdown watch: Meet the new bill

posted at 9:31 am on September 29, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

It took until after midnight, but the House finally passed the next version of the short term funding bill to keep the government open past Tuesday on a 231-192 vote. Of minor interest is the fact that, while the numbers looked similar, two Republicans and two Democrats broke ranks and voted on the other side. On the GOP side, both of the Nay votes came from my neck of the woods in upstate New York, with Chris Gibson and Richard Hanna voting no. For the Democrats, Mike McInytre of North Carolina and Jim Matheson of Utah voted yes.

The bill delays Obamacare and also includes the expected repeal of the medical device tax.

Boehner didn’t speak on the House floor during the debate before the amendments passed.

“The House has again passed a plan that reflects the American people’s desire to keep the government running and stop the president’s health care law,” Boehner said in a post-vote statement. Repealing the medical device tax will save jobs and delaying the president’s health care law for all Americans is only fair given the exemptions the White House has granted to big businesses and insurance companies.”

He added: “Now that the House has again acted, it’s up to the Senate to pass this bill without delay to stop a government shutdown.”

A new wrinkle was added into the mix by Tim Huelskamp of Kansas, when the Conscience Clause for covered contraception costs was added back into the legislation.

The so-called “conscience clause” would allow employers and insurers to opt out of preventative care for women which they find objectionable on moral or religious grounds. That prominently includes birth control, which most insurers are required to provide for free under current Obamacare rules.

With this move, House Republican leaders would give any employer or group health plan the ability to opt out of contraception coverage for the next year. That time frame syncs up with the larger measure in which this is included: a one-year delay of Obamacare provisions not yet in effect.

“This is a big deal for the congressman,” Huelskamp’s spokesman, Paul Nelson, told CNN. “He has been pushing for (the conscience clause) since he entered Congress.”

Doug Mataconis described the addition of the conscience clause as, “playing like you have a Royal Flush when you’re really only holding a pair of deuces“, but I don’t think it’s quite that simple. In terms of actually moving to avoid a shutdown, this looks like a fairly obvious admission that somebody is going to have to turn out the lights tomorrow night. It’s not as if Harry Reid is going to be saying, “Well, we weren’t going to agree to any changes to Obamacare, but if you want to bring contraception into the mix, let’s make a deal!” Yes, the Speaker could still take the cut and run option at the last minute with all the Democrats and some moderate Republicans, but would he?

The entire question from the beginning was whether or not the GOP would cave at the 11th hour, either giving in entirely to a “clean” CR with no riders, or finding some minor, face saving provision they could sell to the Democrats which could make it look like they got something before signing off on the arrangement. (The other theoretical possibility was that the Democrats might have offered some significant change to Obamacare just to get things done, but that’s been pretty much a pipe dream since day one.) But it’s starting to feel as if Boehner has realized that a significant segment of his caucus – as well as conservatives around the country in general – are on the edge of open revolt. With that in mind, he may be ready to simply pick this as the hill the GOP will die on (in this particular battle) and prove that the party is willing to fight for what it believes in.

But the looming cloud on the horizon comes with the question of … where does it end? Because even if the government essentially shuts down Monday night, it will end. Something will have to give, otherwise the political damage and public outcry will start building up pretty fast. A shutdown of a few days, as Ed has noted before, probably wouldn’t have much – if any – long term negative effect and might, in fact, bolster the spirits of the conservative base. But if this turns into weeks or months (not that months is even possible) it’s going to be ugly. And no matter how any of the spin doctors portray it, we already know who is going to get the blame.


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The bill delays Obamacare and also includes the expected repeal of the medical device tax.

They should repeal the individual mandate, and explicitly forbid any contraception mandate, rather than just delay if they’re going to start looking at repealing stuff. Both of those put the GOP on far better political ground.

Stoic Patriot on September 29, 2013 at 9:36 AM

We all know where this ends – a total surrender by Bo(eh)ner and company. After all, El PRL leadership plus the Rats does equal a majority.

Steve Eggleston on September 29, 2013 at 9:42 AM

They should repeal the individual mandate, and explicitly forbid any contraception mandate, rather than just delay if they’re going to start looking at repealing stuff. Both of those put the GOP on far better political ground.

Stoic Patriot on September 29, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Follow the money.

Steve Eggleston on September 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM

The GOP establishment are corrupt and cowardly. Obama care is the final step that allows the government to completely control our lives. Although it is the Progressives plan, in the end the GOP will use that same power to their advantage. It’s time to pull closer to our families and wait for the destruction of this country.

csdeven on September 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Follow the money.

Steve Eggleston on September 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Exactly. Ain’t big government grand?

simkeith on September 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM

the best way to handle this would have been to just delay the individual mandate by a year, not the entire bill. dems would have no legitimate reason to oppose it and it would prove the republicans are concerned about the little guy, not just big businesses who already have a delay granted by obama.

now the dems will just continue their talking points… republicans want to take insurance away, they want to deny insurance to those with pre-existing conditions, they want to take “children” off their parents insurance, etc. we need to force the dems into an vote they cannot ignore. it might happen with the debt ceiling, but i don’t like this strategy.

dbilly76 on September 29, 2013 at 9:50 AM

GOPe RINO central says….

We can’t risk shutting down the government in order to defund Marxist care but we will risk shutting down the government to delay it for one year.

This is very telling and should be all anyone needs to hear about who in DC really wants to stop Marxist care.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Boehner cutting and running from a conscience clause he suggested?
Sure. 3 to 1 he does it in time to hit the links before lunch.

onomo on September 29, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Yes, the Speaker could still take the cut and run option at the last minute with all the Democrats and some moderate Republicans, but would he?

Yes the democrat speaker pretending to be a republican will, not would, indeed do this. Let’s just see how soon it happens.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 9:58 AM

shutting down the government will cost this nation billions and billions

blood will be on boner’s hands

nonpartisan on September 29, 2013 at 9:59 AM

The GOP establishment are corrupt and cowardly. Obama care is the final step that allows the
government to completely control our lives. Although it is the Progressives plan, in the end the GOP
will use that same power to their advantage. It’s time to pull closer to our families and wait for the
destruction of this country.

This comment from the most offensive of the mittler youth?

gee whiz…

Murphy9 on September 29, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Shutdown watch: Meet the new bill

…same as the old bill

KOOLAID2 on September 29, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Actually shutting down OBlahBlahCare care is not going help the R’s. Reason is people have not yet suffered from the implementation. Better for the R’s for them to fight, force a shutdown for a while, get the blame — then a year, 2 years, 3 years from now when OCare is revealed to absolutely everyone to be a disaster (and not just to politically aware types that read and post here) — then the Dems catch all the blame because nothing can be put on the R’s. After all, the R’s shut down the govt to stop it! Hard to blame them in 2014 and 2016 when the massive train wreck is clear to all.

Thus the strategy. About the only thing that they can win at here is to attach the Vitter amendment next time through spin and rinse cycle between the House and Senate. Make that the final “compromise” but make sure we all have a week or two of shutdown first. Take the blame for the shutdown. Get a “get out of jail free card” for the blame for the ObeymeCare trainwreck.

SunSword on September 29, 2013 at 10:07 AM

The thing to remember is that if there is a shutdown, the GOP could actually be helped because of it. I saw an article earlier that every time there was a shutdown in the last 30 years, the GOP actually gained more seats or took the House, the following election, including 2 shutdowns one month before Reagans landslide over Mondale

ConservativePartyNow on September 29, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Do we know yet if Obama’s golfing trips will be included in that 43% of government deemed essential that will still be funded regardless. And why is the other 57% even funded in thebfirst place!

Don’t believe the shutdown hype. ya I’m looking at you nonpartisan, and a correction,it’s Obama’s shutdown!

can_con on September 29, 2013 at 10:15 AM

SunSword on September 29, 2013 at 10:07 AM

I agree implement it all. Force ZeroCare ™ on all the LIVs and NIVs, congress and union morons and see how long it lasts.

NO DELAY – NO EXEMPTIONS

dogsoldier on September 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Actually shutting down OBlahBlahCare care is not going help the R’s. Reason is people have not yet suffered from the implementation. Better for the R’s for them to fight, force a shutdown for a while, get the blame — then a year, 2 years, 3 years from now when OCare is revealed to absolutely everyone to be a disaster (and not just to politically aware types that read and post here) — then the Dems catch all the blame because nothing can be put on the R’s. After all, the R’s shut down the govt to stop it! Hard to blame them in 2014 and 2016 when the massive train wreck is clear to all.

Thus the strategy. About the only thing that they can win at here is to attach the Vitter amendment next time through spin and rinse cycle between the House and Senate. Make that the final “compromise” but make sure we all have a week or two of shutdown first. Take the blame for the shutdown. Get a “get out of jail free card” for the blame for the ObeymeCare trainwreck.

SunSword on September 29, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Ha Ha! If you think the implementation will cause it to die it won’t. What will actually happen will be a move towards single payer a warp speed. I would bet the farm on it and I would bet the farm that everyone in Congress knows this.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Ha Ha! If you think the implementation will cause it to die it won’t. What will actually happen will be a move towards single payer a warp speed. I would bet the farm on it and I would bet the farm that everyone in Congress knows this.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 10:17 AM

No, people will find it so disagreeable they will wake up and trash the socialists.

dogsoldier on September 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Shutting down the government will cost this nation billions and billions blood will be on boner’s hands nonpartisan on September 29, 2013 at 9:59am

Carl Sagan posts on HA?

Hyperbole much?

wolly4321 on September 29, 2013 at 10:21 AM

shutting down the government will cost this nation billions and billions

blood will be on boner’s hands

nonpartisan on September 29, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Dogs and cats living together!!!

kingsjester on September 29, 2013 at 10:21 AM

shutting down the government will cost this nation billions and billions

blood will be on boner’s hands

nonpartisan on September 29, 2013 at 9:59 AM

The House passes budgets every year, and the Senate never takes them up. Obama and Reid say the Republicans are obstructionist and they won’t negotiate with them (if you don’t see a contradiction there you’re not very bright). The Senate waits until the last minute, and then won’t even look at anything the House passes. I’m not a big fan of Boehner’s, but by what conceivable rationale is that Boehner’s fault?

Fenris on September 29, 2013 at 10:23 AM

No shutdown. We want the story next week to be the disaster of the roll-out and demonstrate to the American people that Dems are 100 percent responsible.

In the meantime get these sorry ass Senate RATS on the record – again and again – individual mandate, conscience clause, medical device tax repeal. Keep up the fight w the debt ceiling.

Any one-year delay only helps the RATS. It’s stupid.

matthew8787 on September 29, 2013 at 10:24 AM

will be on boner’s hands noforeskin on September 29, 2013 at 9:59am

KOOLAID2 on September 29, 2013 at 10:24 AM

No, people will find it so disagreeable they will wake up and trash the socialists.

dogsoldier on September 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Dream on. The press will push single payer because that will become the narrative. Even the RINO will back it as the only alternative that they can get passed. Polls will come out showing just enough support to ram it through. If you doubt this I give you nearly 100 years of history of an ever growing entitlement state.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 10:25 AM

But it’s starting to feel as if Boehner has realized that a significant segment of his caucus – as well as conservatives around the country in general – are on the edge of open revolt.

You think? If Boehner caves here, he might as well stop by his local grocery store on the way home and ask for boxes so that he can pack up his stuff.

I don’t see anything unreasonable in the House bill. I’ve e-mailed my Senators (both Demonrats) this morning with a simple question. If Obamacare is such a damned good deal why aren’t they and the parasites that work for them signing up? Why don’t they want their family enrolled in Obamacare?

Happy Nomad on September 29, 2013 at 10:27 AM

No shutdown. We want the story next week to be the disaster of the roll-out and demonstrate to the American people that Dems are 100 percent responsible.

matthew8787 on September 29, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Hey, the House passed a reasonable bill. It’s up to the Senate and the lazy stupid bastard in the White House to determine if the government shuts down.

Happy Nomad on September 29, 2013 at 10:29 AM

CPN, the last big shut down in 95-96 the GOP not only lost 17 seats, they came within inches of losing the majority.

The GOP has never recovered from the 95-96 shutdown. It’s tragic, becuz Clinton was just about to cave when Dole and Gingrich stupidly pulled his chestnuts from the fire.

In any case, we lost and have never regained the trust of the American people on governmental normalcy, abetted of course by the MSM.

But it’s real.

matthew8787 on September 29, 2013 at 10:29 AM

the conscious clause is a no brainer, its costs nothing for Republicans and the Sandra Flukes of the world hate republicans no matter what.

rob verdi on September 29, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Will the sun even rise on Tuesday?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yop62wQH498&feature=youtube_gdata_player

wolly4321 on September 29, 2013 at 10:31 AM

matthew8787,
The GOP held the Congress for 12 more years and won the next two Presidential races

rob verdi on September 29, 2013 at 10:32 AM

nonpartisan on September 29, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Idiot watch.

chemman on September 29, 2013 at 10:35 AM

then the Dems catch all the blame because nothing can be put on the R’s.

SunSword on September 29, 2013 at 10:07 AM

If that happened, it would be the first time that the Republicans escaped being blamed for something going wrong, regardless of whose fault it was, in a long, long time.

J.S.K. on September 29, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Back in the day, when I was in school, and we pledged allegiance to the Flag, and not the president, we were taught How Marxism, in both its forms, socialism and communism, took away the individual rights of the people, and made them a single, faceless entity, subservient to the will of the all-powerful Central Government.

That, boys and girls, is exactly what Obamacare is designed to do.

And, that is why Obama and his Progressive Minions, on both sides of the aisle, are so anxious to see it implemented.

kingsjester on September 29, 2013 at 10:35 AM

The Real Headline of the day should be:

John Boehner on Cave Watch.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 10:36 AM

If you listen to the Democrats, a “Government Shutdown” is equal to a sighting of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

kingsjester on September 29, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Good read. Didn’t the socialists perform this same exact crazed act just before the sequester? How did that work out for them?

But it’s starting to feel as if Boehner has realized that a significant segment of his caucus – as well as conservatives around the country in general – are on the edge of open revolt.

If he’s just realizing now, he’s even more isolated or stupid than I imagined. HE DOESN’T CARE because he is certain he is correct, just like so many others.

Scott Brown, for example firmly believes the Tea Party voters in Mass should have voted for him, despite the fact that he betrayed them when he got to the Senate. He refused to accept responsibility for losing their support and blamed THEM. Which is the same illness the GOP in DC suffers from.

WILLFUL ARROGANCE.

Cruz & Co. are the only ones expressing the will of the people.

dogsoldier on September 29, 2013 at 10:38 AM

shutting down the government will cost this nation billions and billions

Because not appropriating the peoples monies is the same as spending it. How much do they pay you to be an idiot?

blood will be on boner’s hands
nonpartisan on September 29, 2013 at 9:59 AM

dementia is quite common with our trolls.

nobar on September 29, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Fixed it for you.

blink on September 29, 2013 at 10:33 AM

And you are correct. This will be on Reid and Obama.

dogsoldier on September 29, 2013 at 10:40 AM

If you listen to the Democrats, a “Government Shutdown” is equal to a sighting of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

kingsjester on September 29, 2013 at 10:21 AM

A Biblical reference from Dems? I don’t think so. Now if you had said that the Dems think that a government shutdown is equal to a zombie apocalypse…… I’d buy it.

Happy Nomad on September 29, 2013 at 10:43 AM

The Real Headline of the day should be:

John Boehner on Cave Watch.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 10:36 AM

You’re forgetting the fact that Bonehead watched Putin sodomized and embarrassed Zero. Then Zero smiled sheepishly and thanked him for it.

The entire world watched Zero humiliate HIMSELF. He is weak and he fears the shutdown, hence the frantic calls to Boehner and the proclamations in the press. Zero is threatening to throw a tantrum if he can’t get his way AGAIN, despite the fact that he’s ignoring the will of the people.

dogsoldier on September 29, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Republican leadership will cave like they always do they will fold fold fold because they are more afraid of bad press than they are of their base and doing the right thing for the US.
This is all fluff before the final cave at the last minute.
All we have in republican leadership is cowards cowards cowards………

ouldbollix on September 29, 2013 at 10:52 AM

You’re forgetting the fact that Bonehead watched Putin sodomized and embarrassed Zero. Then Zero smiled sheepishly and thanked him for it.

God that would make a terrific Ramirez cartoon

ouldbollix on September 29, 2013 at 10:54 AM

You’re forgetting the fact that Bonehead watched Putin sodomized and embarrassed Zero. Then Zero smiled sheepishly and thanked him for it.

The entire world watched Zero humiliate HIMSELF. He is weak and he fears the shutdown, hence the frantic calls to Boehner and the proclamations in the press. Zero is threatening to throw a tantrum if he can’t get his way AGAIN, despite the fact that he’s ignoring the will of the people.

dogsoldier on September 29, 2013 at 10:46 AM

You assume Boehner is on our side, I don’t. He and all the other RINOs want single payer just as much as their fellow dems. The Marxists and Socialists can’t wait to implement this thing. It’s their opening to push single payer and that is exactly how this will play out.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Pelosi ruled by forcing her people to move to the left. She put blue dogs between a rock and a hard place and she prevailed over their best political instincts. Our leadership lacks that kind of ruthlessness (or commitment to principle). If we take a stand, then abandon it–how do we project the seriousness of our threat? Might as well wave the white flag and be done with it.

writeblock on September 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM

I have no faith. The Senate will cave and Dems will vote overwhelmingly one way.

Second, I say now bring on this crap sandwich of Obamacare and give the idiots what they want. Give them all the Obamacare they can handle.

melle1228 on September 29, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Republican leadership will cave like they always do they will fold fold fold because they are more afraid of bad press than they are of their base and doing the right thing for the US want the same thing and are just playing good cop to the dems bad cop.
This is all fluff before the final cave at the last minute.
All we have in republican leadership is cowards cowards cowards……… democrats pretending to be republicans in order to get elected.

ouldbollix on September 29, 2013 at 10:52 AM

FIFY

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Actually a shutdown of non-essential government services would be a good thing, just what’s needed to contain a bloated government bureaucracy. When times are bad, we cut back. Times are bad.

writeblock on September 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM

This could work out in the GOPs favor. When Reid pulls out the amendments and sends the bill back to the House, Boehner can tell the public Dems only care for large corporations and not the little guy.

Let Obamacare be implemented and let it burn.

banzaibob on September 29, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Since the 95-96 shutdown, the GOP has won the presidential popular vote just one time, in 2004. We have held the House, in great measure, by population changes and successful gerrymandering.

The GOP has never truly recovered from the 95-96 shutdown, and every knowledgable person gets this.

matthew8787 on September 29, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Since the 95-96 shutdown, the GOP has won the presidential popular vote just one time, in 2004. We have held the House, in great measure, by population changes and successful gerrymandering.

The GOP has never truly recovered from the 95-96 shutdown, and every knowledgable person gets this.

matthew8787 on September 29, 2013 at 11:11 AM

So boys and girls the GOP lost get over it. Or better yet bend over and prepare to be royally screwed as the country goes to hell in a hand basket.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Since the 95-96 shutdown, the GOP has won the presidential popular vote just one time, in 2004. We have held the House, in great measure, by population changes and successful gerrymandering.

The GOP has never truly recovered from the 95-96 shutdown, and every knowledgable person gets this.

matthew8787 on September 29, 2013 at 11:11 AM

So boys and girls the GOP lost get over it. Or better yet bend over and prepare to be royally screwed as the country goes to hell in a hand basket.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Make that ‘hand out basket’.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 11:20 AM

And, that is why Obama and his Progressive Minions, on both sides of the aisle, are so anxious to see it implemented.

kingsjester on September 29, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Key word,there. Let us not forget that little detail.
Good piece-btw.

bazil9 on September 29, 2013 at 11:25 AM

God that would make a terrific Ramirez cartoon

ouldbollix on September 29, 2013 at 10:54 AM

ROFL! That would be EPIC.

dogsoldier on September 29, 2013 at 11:29 AM

If the gubmint closes, can I hunt without a liscense?

wolly4321 on September 29, 2013 at 11:34 AM

If the gubmint closes, will there still be Fed withholding on Fridays paycheck?

If yes,, then sorry. It’s not a “shutdown”.

wolly4321 on September 29, 2013 at 11:39 AM

If the gubmint closes, can I hunt without a liscense?

wolly4321 on September 29, 2013 at 11:34 AM

For RINOs yes.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 11:48 AM

CPN, the last big shut down in 95-96 the GOP not only lost 17 seats, they came within inches of losing the majority.

The GOP has never recovered from the 95-96 shutdown. It’s tragic, becuz Clinton was just about to cave when Dole and Gingrich stupidly pulled his chestnuts from the fire.

In any case, we lost and have never regained the trust of the American people on governmental normalcy, abetted of course by the MSM.

But it’s real.

matthew8787 on September 29, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Moby.

davidk on September 29, 2013 at 11:50 AM

So what happens when the exchanges open on tuesday and the gvt shuts down at the same time?

If the exchanges open….what’s the point?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 29, 2013 at 11:52 AM

So what happens when the exchanges open on tuesday and the gvt shuts down at the same time?

If the exchanges open….what’s the point?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 29, 2013 at 11:52 AM

The bill that currently funds Marxist Care expires midnight on Monday. That’s the point and that’s why no further funding would kill it dead. So what if the dems shutdown government and the press narrative blames the GOP? This isn’t about political parties any more. It’s about saving the country.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 11:58 AM

It was their exchange on Obama’s veto threat that caused the committee chamber to burst into laughter.

Rogers: “Would the gentleman yield?

McGovern: I happily yield.

Rogers: You say the president has threatened to veto the bill?

McGovern: No, he hasn’t threatened. He said he absolutely will veto.

Rogers: He’s drawn a red line has he?

McGovern: Yep.

At this point, the small hearing room—which was largely filled with committee members, other members of Congress who had come to testify and congressional staff—burst into laughter.

Rep. McGovern, smiling, then stated his belief that the president was serious about the just-issued veto threat.

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2013/09/29/house-hearing-bursts-out-laughing-at-obamas-red-line-on-cr/comment-page-1/#comment-2462614

This what I referred to in my comment at 10:46 upthread. Zero’s red lines, like him are a joke that makes people burst into laughter.

dogsoldier on September 29, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Markets will tank. Then the news will play this as the end of the world and its all the Republicans fault.

watertown on September 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Markets will tank. Then the news will play this as the end of the world and its all the Republicans fault.

watertown on September 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM

And so what? Do you really think the GOP will ever get a fare shake in the press no matter what they do? They won’t. Let the government shutdown. Let the narrative blame the GOP At some point all this entitlement crap has to stop whether by government shutdown or simply running out of money. I prefer the former and I don’t care who the leftist press blames.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Getting the blame may fire up the base to actually vote for leaders that motivate them to get to the polls.

See Romney on how to dampen the base.

Sherman1864 on September 29, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Every republican that voted to keep Boehner as Speaker should be booted next year. No exceptions.

Mr. Arrogant on September 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM

So what happens when the exchanges open on tuesday and the gvt shuts down at the same time?

If the exchanges open….what’s the point?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 29, 2013 at 11:52 AM

The dems had best hope that all of America doesn’t check those rates. The narrative the the R’s want to shut down Government because Ocare is good for us is about to be shot to hell no matter how this plays out.

It doesn’t matter how many trash-picking trools and paid whore journalists try to spin. When the rates and the out of pocket costs are known, there will be hell to pay.

Find your state’s rates. Check on what it would cost you. Talk to your neighbors, let them know what it will cost them. I’m finding it funny that my leftist neighbors who wanted this who’ve checked the rates are in shock.

oldroy on September 29, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Give them all the Obamacare they can handle.

melle1228 on September 29, 2013 at 11:04 AM

I understand the sentiment. My problem is that me and mine will have to suffer it also.

csdeven on September 29, 2013 at 12:36 PM

For two generations the Dems have been allowed to say anything without challenge. The media has been able to say anything without challenge.

Now when on person has the guts to stand up and delay something by two days, that Congress knew was coming to them for months, the Dems cry. They are getting one/one-thousandth of what they have dished out and all they can do is cry.

The Dems and the administration are throwing words like terrorist around and the nation seems to find this acceptable.

oldroy on September 29, 2013 at 12:43 PM

The dems had best hope that all of America doesn’t check those rates. The narrative the the R’s want to shut down Government because Ocare is good for us is about to be shot to hell no matter how this plays out.

It doesn’t matter how many trash-picking trools and paid whore journalists try to spin. When the rates and the out of pocket costs are known, there will be hell to pay.

Find your state’s rates. Check on what it would cost you. Talk to your neighbors, let them know what it will cost them. I’m finding it funny that my leftist neighbors who wanted this who’ve checked the rates are in shock.

oldroy on September 29, 2013 at 12:36 PM

And you will be in further shock when your leftist friends start advocating for single payer as the only way to fix the system, and even further shock when they get their wish.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 12:44 PM

If this is good for us, have NBC, ABC, CBS and all of the local stations go through State rates and out of pocket costs. If it’s good for us, spread the good word. Evangelize this thing.

If the President and Congress are ashamed of the rates and fees, they need to have the media hide them. If they aren’t ashamed, they need to shine the light of day on them. let every American know what their costs will be. And if you aren’t going to be stuck on one of the exchange plans, your group and family policies will soon reflect much of the bad stuff in the exchange policies, maybe worse.

And then come the 2015 rates.

oldroy on September 29, 2013 at 12:46 PM

So the White House tours are shutting down on Tuesday?

red villain on September 29, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Cruz is coming up on FNC.

davidk on September 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYrlDlrLDSQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player.

Don’t forget what it’s about. Not that many of you would.

Shut it down. Celebrate it shutting down. It’s about time.

Frigging dictators have to be dealt with.

I wish we had a mad drunk instead of a crying drunk leading the House.

wolly4321 on September 29, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Obama care–designed to fail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy

davidk on September 29, 2013 at 1:11 PM

If that sorry @ss McConnell was any type of leader, he would have all the Republican Senators in the chamber at 9:00 in the morning yelling we are ready to work on this problem now instead of waiting for 2:00.

I know, wishful thinking…

Barred on September 29, 2013 at 1:14 PM

And you will be in further shock when your leftist friends start advocating for single payer as the only way to fix the system, and even further shock when they get their wish.

bgibbs1000 on September 29, 2013 at 12:44 PM

^THIS.

It has always been designed to fail in spectacular fashion. Always part of the design.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on September 29, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Bottom line is — 80% or more of Americans pay zero attention to politics — much fewer than 20% go to boards like this and get info. So. Only solution will be for them to feel the actual pain in their loss of pay and higher medical expenses, claims denied, loss of preferred doctors. Only then will they look up from social media, football etc. Only when they actually feel the pain personally will they pay attention.

That will take place over the next couple years.

SunSword on September 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM

But if this turns into weeks or months (not that months is even possible) it’s going to be ugly

Is that a bad thing? All it will do is put the issue in sharp relief. If 60% are against Oboobi care now, they will still be against it during the shutdown and know who is really holding the cr hostage. That includes the no/low-info crowd that still don’t know about oc. They are being brought up to speed even now with that mandatory letter that all companies were required to send out this past week. Many of them are sure to have their eyes opened by being dropped or rates go up and it stands to reason we should see a similar 40/60 split among that crowd. Stand fast and get on message. Easier said than done with the GOPe. Oh and no! The soldiers will not be affected by the cr unless Oboobi wills it so against existing rules on spending.

AH_C on September 29, 2013 at 1:17 PM

AH_C on September 29, 2013 at 1:17 PM

You do realize of course that the Dems will conflate everyone getting those letters with the government shutdown, and the MSM will go along with the lie to blame Republicans for stopping O-Care which would have have gotten those nasty bad insurance companies if it weren’t for those bad, old, mean Republicans.

Eleventy!.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on September 29, 2013 at 1:34 PM

What was that story, something like 43% of people don’t even know what obamacare means?
Honestly, that is the entire problem there in a nutshell.
Idiots like nonpartisan and libfree are part of that 43%, based on the average ignorance of Obama’s fans.
He stands up there and lies, laughs at a yo e who opposes him, knowing that his voters don’t have two IQ points to rub together.
We pay attention, we know what’s happening, but with the sycophant media constantly lying for the boy wonder and Reid being the diaper wearing tool that he is, come Tuesday, obamacare opens with a whimper and other than cousin pookie’s welfare check being late, will the general populace even know or care?

RovesChins on September 29, 2013 at 1:38 PM

shutting down the government will cost this nation billions and billions

blood will be on boner’s hands

nonpartisan on September 29, 2013 at 9:59 AM

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Yeah, yeah ….. see you on the field of combat, you candy-ass … or else go find a good hole to crawl into, and hide.

listens2glenn on September 29, 2013 at 1:54 PM

I don’t care who gets the blame. Republicans get blamed no matter what they do.

Getting tired of hearing that. The media does not like us. They never will. The GOP will never be one of the “popular kids” so jus settle for being popular with the people who decided if you stay in office or not (the constituents–not the talking heads and lefty bloggers and hollywood types).

rjcylon on September 29, 2013 at 2:01 PM

So what happens when the exchanges open on tuesday and the gvt shuts down at the same time?

If the exchanges open,… what’s the point?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 29, 2013 at 11:52 AM

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The dems had best hope that all of America doesn’t check those rates. The narrative the the R’s want to shut down Government because Ocare is good for us is about to be shot to hell no matter how this plays out.

It doesn’t matter how many trash-picking trools and paid whore journalists try to spin. When the rates and the out of pocket costs are known, there will be hell to pay. Find your state’s rates. Check on what it would cost you. Talk to your neighbors, let them know what it will cost them.

oldroy on September 29, 2013 at 12:36 PM

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Right-on. More and more democrat constituents are taking a harder second-look at this, and coming away ‘sober’.
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I’m finding it funny that my leftist neighbors who wanted this who’ve checked the rates are in shock.

oldroy on September 29, 2013 at 12:36 PM

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“Sticker-shock” hurts, huh? . . . : )

listens2glenn on September 29, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Oh brother, I clicked on a weather link, Skye to be exact, and it notes that the National Parks may be closed if the government “shuts down.” Doesn’t the executive branch determine priorities in a shut down?

Making it hurt, Obysmal and Reid? You are moral midgets.

onlineanalyst on September 29, 2013 at 2:29 PM

McCarthy has already preemptively surrendered on behalf of House leadership on national TV today. The bill they just set to the Senate is just another scam by the corruptocrat DC establishment.

I’m with Ted Cruz and his allies in the House, not House Leadership. Ted Cruz’s strategy was to win. The House leadership’s strategy is designed to lose, and preemptively announced.

FloatingRock on September 29, 2013 at 2:49 PM

The danger isn’t that Boehner will cave, but that enough purple-district Republicans will see the handwriting on the wall and join with the Democrats to pass the Senate bill.

The House is different than the Senate. If you can cobble together a majority for anything in the House, you can force it to a vote. In the Senate, the Majority Leader has far more power to decide what comes to the floor and block the efforts even of a majority of Senators.

This is a doomed effort from the start, as evidenced by the spineless proponents who are too chicken to answer the simple question about the shutdown:

“HOW LONG ARE YOU WILLING TO LET MILITARY FAMILIES GO WITHOUT PAY?”

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Simple enough question, just asks a number of days or weeks or months. Yet all I get in answer is lectures from halfwits who think they have some special knowledge of the Constitution, or accusations that I am a liberal or a RINO from worthless punks that weren’t even born when I started working for conservative candidates and the GOP.

What are you afraid of? Don’t you want the responsibility for the course of action you support?

You aren’t “conservatives.” You’re just a bunch of loudmouths.

Adjoran on September 29, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Depend on CNN to lie:

“preventative care for women” is not the same as “contraception coverage”

slp on September 29, 2013 at 3:18 PM

The danger isn’t that Boehner will cave,[...]

Adjoran on September 29, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Have no fear; Boehner the preemptive surrender monkey is here!

McCarthy already announced on Fox News Sunday that the House will surrender and send up a third bill if the Senate doesn’t like this one. Now all the Senate has to do is sit on their hands and wait for Boehner to cave according to the script that has already been telegraphed by McCarthy.

I sure hope McCarthy loses his primary, if not a recall, along with Boehner and Cantor.

FloatingRock on September 29, 2013 at 3:27 PM

You aren’t “conservatives.” You’re just a bunch of loudmouths.
Adjoran on September 29, 2013 at 3:12 PM

You aren’t conservative. You repeatedly bring up this lie again and again about the soldiers being hurt by the shutdown. And repeatedly been refuted by we who know. The soldiers won’t be affected one bit. Along with govt civilians deemed mission essential. That and most contractors are good to go because their contract funding is already sealed. Just as the sequester didn’t affect what I just laid out.

Cry your faux tears for the non-essential gubmint workers who may be affected if Oboobi decides to make them suffer. Operative word being “decide” since he has the power to decide spending priorities.

So if you see the green techs continue to get their subsidies during the shutdown, you know where his priorities and sympathies lie.

Otherwise shut up already you moby.

AH_C on September 29, 2013 at 3:34 PM

The way it should end is through targeted, individual department funding…..and it should never end completely. We don’t need a Department of Labor, Department of Education, or Department of Energy — the shutdown Tuesday should be the final curtain for those agencies.

They finally got smart enough to fund the DoD on a separate CR. Great! We need them. Maybe they should pass another bill to fund a dramatically reduced Department of the Interior to keep the National Parks open.

“To govern is to choose” — and government needs to start picking and choosing. I’d recommend starting with good ol’ Article I, section 8 of the Constitution and fund just those things….and I’d rejoice if that were the entirety of what got funded forever.

cthulhu on September 29, 2013 at 9:48 PM