Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on September 29, 2013 by Allahpundit

McCarthy, the third-ranking House Republican, said his chamber will send the continuing resolution back to the Senate with “another provision” attached, and said there are “few other options” for those provisions…

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said in a statement Saturday that he will not accept either of those changes. Senate Democratic leadership has long said they will reject any tweaks to Obamacare as part of the continuing resolution.

Appearing on “Fox News Sunday,” McCarthy did not elaborate on the options, although he said “there are a lot of items on the table.” But one possibility floated on Capitol Hill Saturday is an amendment that would ban federal health care subsidies for lawmakers and their aides.

“We are not shutting the government down,” he vowed.

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I talked with one of the most vocal of the defund/delay advocates, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, on Friday night, as she waited to hear what path the House Republican leadership would take. It’s safe to say her views reflected those of many of her conservative colleagues, and her reasoning was this: One, Obamacare as a policy is so far-reaching, so consequential, and so damaging that members of Congress should do everything they can — everything — to stop it before it fully goes into effect. Two, lesser measures to fight Obamacare — repealing the medical device tax or making Congress purchase coverage through the exchanges without special subsidies — are just not big enough to address the problem. And three, there have been government shutdowns in the past over far less urgent reasons that did not result in doom for Republicans…

“This isn’t just another bill,” Bachmann continued. “This isn’t load limits on turnip trucks that we’re talking about. This is consequential. And I think the reason why you’ve come to this flash point is that this is an extremely consequential bill that will impact every American, and that’s why you have such passionate opinions. And we’re not giving up and we’re not caving in that easily.”

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While Boehner and the GOP leadership want mainly to navigate safe passage through the budget deadlines, DeMint and his cohort see the deadlines as crucial tests of party resolve and a key to the Republican resurgence they envision. DeMint views the impulse to avoid confrontation as the root of Republican woes: Only by engineering grand clashes and then standing resolutely on the side of small government can Republicans win this existential struggle.

“If I were speaker, I’d tell the president, ‘Mr. President, we funded the government, but we’re not going to fund your bill,’ ” says DeMint, who likes to make his point by acting out imagined confrontations. “ ‘We are not going to give in—one month, two months, three months. We are never going to give in. It’s just that important.’ And if the president wants to put the country through that to save a law that isn’t ready to go, well, then that’s a battle we have to have.”…

DeMint likes to quote the Austrian political economist Friedrich Hayek: “Politicians are corks bobbing on the water, but we can direct the current.” Right now, Boehner is caught in a current from which he can’t seem to escape. Appeals to moderation won’t work; the purists see moderation as the problem. To DeMint, the only question is how committed Republicans are to an ideology they all profess to agree on. “There isn’t a Republican in Congress who hasn’t promised to do everything they could to stop Obamacare,” he says. “There’s no intellectual rift. The rift is over is it worth fighting for?”

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Rogers: Would the gentleman yield?

McGovern: I happily yield.

Rogers: You say the president has threatened to veto the bill?

McGovern: No, he hasn’t threatened. He said he absolutely will veto.

Rogers: He’s drawn a red line has he?

McGovern: Yep.

At this point, the small hearing room—which was largely filled with committee members, other members of Congress who had come to testify and congressional staff— burst into laughter.

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“I think everybody agrees that this is a loser for us if the government shuts down,” Idaho Republican [Raul Labrador] said on NBC’s “Meet the Press. “That’s why I think the president and the Democrats want to shut down the government.”…

“Let’s be really honest about this,” Labrador added. “The other side would like to see Republicans in trouble in 2014. The other side wants to make sure that they’re not even willing to meet us halfway.”

Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman added that “Republicans know this is a loser for them,” so he had some advice.

“Republicans are going to have to learn the lessons from this whole episode,” the former GOP presidential candidate said. “And that will be, you can’t have an all-or-nothing approach.”

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Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) raised another potential snag for House Republicans, one some members may not have realized yet. If there is a government shutdown, Congress will have to adopt a funding bill to restart all shuttered government operations. That gives Obama and the Democrats additional leverage.

“I think the answer is ‘No,’ we’re not ready because I’m convinced that once the government shuts down, you have to have Barack Obama’s permission as it were, you need [Democrats’] help to start it back up again,” Franks admitted. “And if they think that the country is blaming Republicans, they will not hesitate to keep it shut down as long as possible.”

A shutdown, however, could help cool the partisan temperature within House GOP ranks. Hard-line conservatives, buoyed by their tea party supporters back home, have pined for a climactic face-off with Obama and the Democrats. Some say that they need a crisis to force Obama to negotiate — Democrats laugh at this contention. Now they could be getting exactly what they asked for, and party leaders and senior aides are convinced they won’t like it when they do.

“More tears have been shed over prayers that were answered than those denied,” joked a senior House Republican, speaking on the condition of anonymity. “They’ve wanted it. Now we’ll see how they deal with it.”

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Happy Ending #3: Even if the president does not blink, and even if Democrats don’t get blamed, perhaps Republican activists will be so motivated and mobilized by the shutdown that their excitement will loft the party to big wins in the 2014 races.

Problem with Happy Ending #3: Because Happy Endings 1 and 2 look so unlikely, the shutdown is likely to end in a Republican retreat. Party activists will be demotivated—and may waste their energy recriminating against their own leadership rather than organizing to fight Democrats.

All in all, it’s hard to see any positive outcome emerging for Republicans from this confrontation. Yet the party is charging forward anyway. Why?

The short answer is a breakdown in the party’s ability to govern itself. It can’t think strategically. Even when pressed to do something overwhelmingly likely to end in disaster, as this shutdown looks likely to do for Republicans, the party has no way to stop itself. It stumbles into fights it cannot win, gets mad, and then in its anger lurches into yet another fight that ends in yet another loss.

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Boehner’s members refused to wait for the debt ceiling. They want their showdown now. And that’s all for the better.

Moving the one-year delay of Obamacare to the CR maximizes the chances of a shutdown but makes a default at least somewhat less likely. If a shutdown begins Monday night, Republicans and Democrats will have more than two weeks to resolve it before hitting the debt ceiling.

As Alec Phillips put it in a research note for Goldman Sachs, “If a shutdown is avoided, it is likely to be because congressional Republicans have opted to wait and push for policy concessions on the debt limit instead. By contrast, if a shutdown occurs, we would be surprised if congressional Republicans would want to risk another difficult situation only a couple of weeks later. The upshot is that while a shutdown would be unnecessarily disruptive, it might actually ease passage of a debt limit increase.”

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KARL: Well, unclear, but what I am hearing this morning from Republicans is that they will still attempt to put provisions in there dealing with the healthcare law and send it back to the Senate. This ping pong back and forth will go on. No signs of compromise on either side.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And then the question is how long will that go, a couple of days, or does it stretch on maybe up to the point where we reach that second major deadline, the debt limit reach on October 17? Far more serious, but does this back and forth make it more likely that we’ll avoid a confrontation over the debt limit?

KARL: Well, there are two schools of thought on this. One is that this works out so poorly for the Republicans that they realize they can’t go to the brink again with the debt ceiling. On the other side of this, George, positions have gotten so hardened here and there’s such division that it’s hard to imagine a compromise on the debt ceiling either. That said, I should tell you that aides to the Speaker of the House tell me that they are confident that the debt ceiling will be dealt with, that there will not be a default. I just can’t see exactly how we get there by October 17.

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It is the Democrats who have taken the absolutist position. Look, I’d like to repeal every word of the law. But that wasn’t my position in this fight. My position in this fight was we should defund it, which is different from repeal. And even now what the House of Representatives has done is a step removed from defunding. It’s delaying. Now that’s the essence of a compromise. For all of us who want to see it repealed, simply delaying it for American families on the same terms as being done for big corporations—that’s a compromise.

At the same time, David, what have the Democrats compromised on? Nothing. Zero. Their position is absolutely no. How is that compromise?

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“I’ve never seen a time — can you remember a time in your lifetime when a major political party was just sitting around, begging for America to fail … I don’t know what’s going to happen. But I’ll be shocked if it fails,” Clinton, who attempted during his first term as president to overhaul the country’s healthcare system in the early 1990s, said during an interview taped Thursday in New York while the annual Clinton Global Initiative was taking place.

Via the Corner.

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Lets see if I got this straight. It is okay for Obama and Reid to push an all or nothing strategy but if the Pubs do it it is a losing strategy. With Pubs like that who needs dims.

chemman on September 30, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Slow Freakin Thread.

Bmore on September 30, 2013 at 12:35 AM

pambi on September 30, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Good on you and the other half for your obedience. God is still in the miracle business when we our obedient.

chemman on September 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM

OT/The part of my mind not desperately trying to find out if Sophie Ro is ticklish is working on this:

Anthony Daniels contributed the preface to Jean-Francois Revel’s excellent book, Last Exit to Utopia. In that preface, Daniels puts forward several examples of monstrous moments in history that were known about almost immediately, in detail, but that were either never acknowledged by intellectuals, or were bizarrely minimized in significance by them. One example Daniels cites is the Ukranian famine:

When Robert Conquest published his book on the Ukranian famine, Harvest of Sorrow, in 1986, the blurb to the British edition said, “[This book] will register in the public consciousness of the West a sense of the darker side of the history of this century.” But did the West really need to wait until 1986 to have its awareness awakened to the scope and moral significance of the Ukranian famine?

In 1934, the British writer Malcolm Muggeridge published a book, Winter in Moscow, that described not only the famine but the means by which Western liberal news media censored reports of it. In 1936, Dr. Ewalde Ammende published a book, Human Life in Russia, that begins:

All serious observers of conditions in Soviet Russia are of one opinion as to the causes of the Russian famine. in their view the real cause is to be found not in any natural events, but in the fiasco of the collective system which was introduced with such excessive haste.

Toward the end of the book, the author writes:

It is not my task to controvert the views of Joseph Stalin. It is useless to enter into controversy with people who openly and on principle avow that the annihilation of whole masses of humanity is justified to secure the realization of the Communist ideal.

No subsequent research has cast any doubt on the justice of Dr. Ammende’s lapidary conclusions, nor is any future research ever likely to do so. And it is worth adding that his book is interspersed with many startling photographs, including of people walking past corpses in the street. One photograph bears the legend “Mass graves of famine victims, in such numbers that they resemble dunes.” Another shows a pile of emaciated corpses, possibly the most startling image of its kind published before the liberation of Belsen, and is captioned “A great multitude which no man could number.”

Pretty interesting, yeah?

Axe on September 30, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Hi, Bmore. :)

Axe on September 30, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Hi BMore,

Tags: whirligigs, wood, political satire, graphics skilz, gogo boots, pie

SparkPlug on September 30, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Bmore on September 30, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on September 30, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Hope Cornyn’s very young staff has all their talking points ready for tomorrow because I plan to start calling in the morning. He needs to remember that he is in DC to represent the people, and I will offer him reminders about that fact on a regular basis. Cornyn also needs to quit hanging around McCain, Rove, McConnell, and probably Corker. You are who you hang with, Cornyn. For a starter, follow Ted Cruz, and learn something about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

mobydutch on September 30, 2013 at 12:41 AM

He copied me.

SparkPlug on September 30, 2013 at 12:42 AM

Dire copied me too. (:

SparkPlug on September 30, 2013 at 12:42 AM

He did not.

Axe on September 30, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Speaker of the House, Tip O’Neill, presided over 12 government shutdowns. Were he and his Democrat-controlled House ‘economic terrorists’ that should have been imprisoned and their minor children sent to foster homes, as some earlier poster on WaPo suggested?

Resist We Much on September 29, 2013 at 8:37 PM

You really ought to send some of this good research you do to politicians in Washington. Give the Republicans some ammo since they can’t seem to find this stuff themselves.

Vince on September 30, 2013 at 12:43 AM

I agree Vince, the Republicans need all the help they can get!

mobydutch on September 30, 2013 at 12:47 AM

….actually Axe, THIS is “Moribund“……

williamg on September 30, 2013 at 12:27 AM

This one, however, is not! :)

Anti-Control on September 30, 2013 at 12:52 AM

……the Hidden Joys of Industrial ARTS!…….

williamg on September 30, 2013 at 1:04 AM

I think this is why I went into Engineering…..I have a memory of this film……a vague, smoky memory…

williamg on September 30, 2013 at 1:07 AM

……the Hidden Joys of Industrial ARTS!…….

williamg on September 30, 2013 at 1:04 AM

lol — ???

Axe on September 30, 2013 at 1:07 AM

“And so we say a prayer for all mankind, on the Last Day of December September…”

Anti-Control on September 30, 2013 at 1:16 AM

……the Hidden Joys of Industrial ARTS!…….

williamg on September 30, 2013 at 1:04 AM

lol — ???

Axe on September 30, 2013 at 1:07 AM

….memmmm-or-ies,

Like the coooor-ners of my MIND!!

Misty, Water-Colored memmmm-or-eeeeze

Of the Way We Were!!!!

MUSHY-MUSHY-MOOOSHY!!

williamg on September 30, 2013 at 1:16 AM

I’m on board with this one, don’t fund Obamacare, no matter what.
As Jim Demint said: “We are not going to give in—one month, two months, three months. We are never going to give in. It’s just that important.”
Further, even if Republicans were blamed for the shutdown, this is putting the 250 watt spotlight on the hideous Obamacare, so bigger gains will accrue to Republicans by keeping that spotlight trained on the Obamacare-Monstrosity.

Plus, this spotlight on Obambacare is helping lead to a Democratic crack up on Obamacare. Check out these polls. “Moderate and conservative Democrats,” within the last year, have turned against O-Care: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359692/democrats-against-obamacare-deroy-murdock

anotherJoe on September 30, 2013 at 1:16 AM

….memmmm-or-ies,

Like the coooor-ners of my MIND!!

Misty, Water-Colored memmmm-or-eeeeze…

Of the Way We Were!!!!

MUSHY-MUSHY-MOOOSHY!!

williamg on September 30, 2013 at 1:16 AM

:)

Axe on September 30, 2013 at 1:19 AM

well, here’s a new poll, impeccably timed to scare the Rs to the bones.

Avik Roy says they will face the Gallows if they screw with barry care, and This poll proves it

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/30/new-poll-only-one-third-of-americans-support-repealing-defunding-or-delaying-obamacare/

the sample is, well, a little underweight in the R party ID…ranking a distant third with the Ds 1st and Indies 2nd…the Rs limp in at 26 percent

but, who knows…given the heavy hand of media controlled messaging going on by the end of this people will be rooting for a third term for barry

r keller on September 30, 2013 at 1:23 AM

This guy did get it, didn’t he, williamg?

Throughout his life [John] von Neumann had a respect and admiration for business and government leaders; something which was often at variance with the inclinations of his scientific colleagues. Von Neumann entered government service (Manhattan Project) primarily because he felt that, if freedom and civilization were to survive, it would have to be because the U.S. would triumph over totalitarianism from the right (Nazism and Fascism) and totalitarianism from the left (Soviet Communism).

During a Senate committee hearing he described his political ideology as “violently anti-communist, and much more militaristic than the norm”. He was quoted in 1950 remarking, “If you say why not bomb [the Soviets] tomorrow, I say, why not today. If you say today at five o’clock, I say why not one o’clock?”.

Train‘s A Comin’ Back”

Anti-Control on September 30, 2013 at 1:26 AM

During a Senate committee hearing he described his political ideology as “violently anti-communist, and much more militaristic than the norm”. He was quoted in 1950 remarking, “If you say why not bomb [the Soviets] tomorrow, I say, why not today. If you say today at five o’clock, I say why not one o’clock?”.

“Train‘s A Comin’ Back”

Anti-Control on September 30, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Indeed, he DID!…..And he could substantiate Mathematically……with equations that he derived HIMSELF!

williamg on September 30, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Reid and Obama were caught in a conspiracy to avoid any possible negotiations on Obamacare:

When the president considered sitting down with the four congressional leaders in the White House ahead of the deadline to avert a government shutdown, Reid privately urged Obama to call off the meeting, according to several people familiar with the situation.

You see, Reid, and Obama, think that shutdown will be blamed on the Republicans, so in fact they are doing everything in their power to ensure a shutdown happens, and that means not negotiating at all.
What the Dems don’t understand, as I just said above:

Even if Republicans were blamed for the shutdown, this is putting the 250 watt spotlight on the hideous Obamacare, so bigger gains will accrue to Republicans by keeping that spotlight trained on the Obama-Monstrosity.

anotherJoe on September 30, 2013 at 1:36 AM

well, here’s a new poll, impeccably timed to scare the Rs to the bones.

Avik Roy says they will face the Gallows if they screw with barry care, and This poll proves it

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/30/new-poll-only-one-third-of-americans-support-repealing-defunding-or-delaying-obamacare/

the sample is, well, a little underweight in the R party ID…ranking a distant third with the Ds 1st and Indies 2nd…the Rs limp in at 26 percent

but, who knows…given the heavy hand of media controlled messaging going on by the end of this people will be rooting for a third term for barry

r keller on September 30, 2013 at 1:23 AM

HA will be touting that in the morning as something to truly be afraid of, to be sure.

Midas on September 30, 2013 at 1:41 AM

Indeed, he DID!…..And he could substantiate Mathematically……with equations that he derived HIMSELF!

williamg on September 30, 2013 at 1:35 AM

A few months ago, I spent some time surfing about famous prodigies/supergeniuses. I told my ex-wife that from what I saw, I concluded von Neumann had the greatest brain of them all! :)

The Dark – “Einstein’s Brain”

Anti-Control on September 30, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Anti-Control on September 30, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Von Neumann was, perhaps, the greatest mind to have ever walked the Earth. Even at the Institute for Advanced Study Von Neumann was viewed as a super-genius in a class of his won, a freak of evolution.

He also loved telling dirty jokes and was generally the life of the party.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 30, 2013 at 2:02 AM

Big Star – “September Gurls”

Anti-Control on September 30, 2013 at 2:06 AM

Von Neumann was, perhaps, the greatest mind to have ever walked the Earth. Even at the Institute for Advanced Study Von Neumann was viewed as a super-genius in a class of his won, a freak of evolution.

He also loved telling dirty jokes and was generally the life of the party.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 30, 2013 at 2:02 AM

:)

Unlike von Neumann, so many of the supergifted struggle(d) with leftardism, Goethe and his “human particle” being a great example…

Anti-Control on September 30, 2013 at 2:13 AM

So, what are we going to fight about tonight? I am in a feisty mood.

bluegill on September 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM

You guys should take up yoga.

Axe on September 30, 2013 at 3:05 AM

The first article that Drudge refers to now is from thehill:

House Republicans say Dems trying to run out clock on government shutdown

Incredible. The Dems really really want a govt shutdown, because they think that spells doom for Republicans. This is going to backfire and boomerang on the Dems. Doom for the Dems!

anotherJoe on September 30, 2013 at 3:28 AM

About military pay, of course the House has passed a separate CR for that, but if the senate rejects that, I came across this freerepublic comment:

The government will issue IOUs instead of military paychecks.

Every bank will instantly honor those IOUs with full cash loans, which at current government interest rates is less than 1% per year.

anotherJoe on September 30, 2013 at 4:29 AM

anotherJoe on September 30, 2013 at 1:36 AM

anotherJoe on September 30, 2013 at 3:28 AM

Yes, it will hurt the dems. The GOP just needs to have a press conference and tell people they funded the government and Zero didn’t like the way they did it.

And walk away. SHUT IT DOWN.

dogsoldier on September 30, 2013 at 5:26 AM

And good morning everyone. Seems only a few posted overnight.

dogsoldier on September 30, 2013 at 5:27 AM

By the way that script to adap.tv is a royal pain in the ass.

dogsoldier on September 30, 2013 at 5:30 AM

Have you all noticed we’re not talking about the NSA, FBI IRS or Benghazi lately?

Speaking of the NSA all that spying isn’t keeping anyone safe.

dogsoldier on September 30, 2013 at 5:41 AM

Axe on September 30, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Anthony Daniels’ pen name, Theodore Dalrymple?

Cleombrotus on September 30, 2013 at 6:11 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls. What if the Government shuts down…and…nothing happens?
My take: “Countdown to the Shutdown”

kingsjester on September 30, 2013 at 6:37 AM

kingsjester on September 30, 2013 at 6:37 AM

Shut it down.

esr1951 on September 30, 2013 at 6:39 AM

kingsjester on September 30, 2013 at 6:37 AM

“If there’s a government shut down, who will spy on me, waste my money and have contempt for me?”

Perfect.

esr1951 on September 30, 2013 at 6:44 AM

esr1951 on September 30, 2013 at 6:44 AM

Yep. That’s what I thought when Gov. Palin shared it on her Facebook Page.

kingsjester on September 30, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Our Congress has over 23,000 appointed staff, under different titles but still staff; Now what do you think your chances of talking to your Congress person are? Do you actually think they read your mail? How about the signing a petition? 85% of the USA was satisfied with their health insurance before this Bill got jammed down our throats. The 15% that’s not accounted for are probably children, street people or people that think it’s the farthest thing from their minds. There are also 1300 federal agencies to soak up the tax money. All this information is available to you on the net so do yourself a favor and do some home work and prove it to yourself. The “Blue Code” is alive and well with all politicians after they get elected.

mixplix on September 30, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Anthony Daniels’ pen name, Theodore Dalrymple?

Cleombrotus on September 30, 2013 at 6:11 AM

Yes. :)

. . . Signs Anthony Daniels in the book, though. I didn’t even notice.

– Also, please ignore the fact that I misspelled “Ukrainian” more than one hundred times in that early draft, plus or minus more than one hundred times. It’s been corrected, and my typist has been beaten.

Been racking my brain over whether or not to weigh in on the “picture controversy” re. Human Life in Russia. It’s been sorted, but I know someone will bring it up. Answer now, answer later, answer now, answer later. *sigh*

Sorry. Just talking. :)

Yes. :)

Axe on September 30, 2013 at 6:52 AM

“If there’s a government shut down, who will spy on me, waste my money and have contempt for me?”

esr1951 on September 30, 2013 at 6:44 AM

Not married? ;0

Happy Nomad on September 30, 2013 at 6:55 AM

If Harry Reid wants a shutdown, let him have it. The Senate has a lot of legislation passed by the House that it never even brings to committee… just follow their example and ask when they will get started on the backlog. Oh, and get back into town to do that.

For the debt ceiling, if Obama doesn’t want to ‘negotiate’ just thank him for wanting to spend just what the government takes in and not one penny more. Just cover the few Constitutional parts of government referred to in the Constitution, DoD, parts of Treasury, USPTO, some funds to the USPS, a few dribs and drabs on postal road maintenance with the interstates falling under DoD, and debt maintenance payments.

You might even have a half-trillion left for SSA, maybe. Or the M&Ms. Not both. And the rest of government? Well, you know, only Ambassadors are mentioned in the Constitution, not a State Dept… and the DoJ is a totally Progressive creation. So is the EPA. FDA. Dept. of Labor. HUD. Now the Dept. of Agriculture started with Lincoln, but isn’t mentioned so it can go. Education. Energy. Why there are scads of agencies and departments that just don’t need to be funded because they aren’t the responsibility of the federal government.

I’m sure that for $2.5 trillion you can run a decent sized government… just lose the waste, fraud and abuse part which is most of it these days.

ajacksonian on September 30, 2013 at 6:57 AM

What if the Government shuts down…and…nothing happens?
My take: “Countdown to the Shutdown”

kingsjester on September 30, 2013 at 6:37 AM

Have the “countdown clocks” shown up on the cable news outlets yet?

I don’t see how we avoid partial government shutdown at this point. Harry Reid deliberately ran out the clock (Senate doesn’t convene until like one or two this afternoon). By the time the Senate rejects the House’s very reasonable bill and sends it back there really wouldn’t be any time to do anything but agree to go with the Senate’s “clean CR.” I don’t see that happening.

Happy Nomad on September 30, 2013 at 6:58 AM

Happy Nomad on September 30, 2013 at 6:58 AM

Exactly. Obama wants to negotiate with the Iranians, but not with the Americans.

kingsjester on September 30, 2013 at 7:00 AM

Wow, Ted Cruz was amazing on Meet the Press. David Gregory couldn’t lay a finger on him, though he tried his best to pin down Cruz:
http://youtu.be/AzPMA_53VZc

Cruz is the guy who pro-amnesty Ed Morrissey says needs more seasoning and whom we should, according to Morrissey, pass over for the presidential nomination in favor of pro-amnesty governors like Walker and Jeb Bush? Give me a break! Ed is out to lunch on this one and has apparently been hanging around ” MSNBC Morning Joe” types too much lately. Ed needs Michelle Malkjn to knock some sense back into him.

Damn, Cruz is a special one.

bluegill on September 30, 2013 at 7:01 AM

Exactly. Obama wants to negotiate with the Iranians, but not with the Americans.

kingsjester on September 30, 2013 at 7:00 AM

They’re reporting that a partial government shutdown will cost the DC area $200M a day. It will be interesting how long this shutdown lasts. Because, at this point, I don’t see either side blinking.

The House came up with reasonable legislation- why can the lazy stupid coward delay politically problematic portions of Obamacare but the House can’t delay anything? The House ensured the military would still be paid. The House got rid of legislation that kills American jobs. And what has the Senate proposed?…… Whatever the hell Obama demands. This is no way to run a government.

Happy Nomad on September 30, 2013 at 7:07 AM

Happy Nomad on September 30, 2013 at 7:07 AM

The petulant President governs via temper tantrums.

kingsjester on September 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM

Nicole Wallace is arguing with Axlerod, but she really wants to agree with him. That Ted Cruz is ruining everything!

Her new friends on the left don’t seem to like her much.

Naturally Curly on September 30, 2013 at 7:17 AM

The petulant President governs via temper tantrums.

kingsjester on September 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM

And that’s why I haven’t got a good feel for how this shutdown is going to play out (and I usually have a good sense for these things). I don’t see how to resolve this without one side or another to completely cave because the Senate Dems and lazy stupid coward are flat-out refusing to even talk about a solution.

Keep in mind the thin-skinned rat last Thursday said he was willing to sit down and talk with Republicans about this. Yet….. the House hadn’t even met to vote on Saturday before Harry Reid was calling the legislation hopeless and the lazy stupid coward vowed to veto the bill if it got to his desk. In short, they are looking for a shutdown.

Happy Nomad on September 30, 2013 at 7:39 AM

So, what are we going to fight about tonight? I am in a feisty mood.

bluegill on September 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM

…should we use a 3 hook…or a 6 hook!

KOOLAID2 on September 30, 2013 at 7:45 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls. What if the Government shuts down…and…nothing happens?
My take: “Countdown to the Shutdown”

kingsjester on September 30, 2013 at 6:37 AM

…I don’t care what you say…your ‘recall’ for your research is impeccable…I’m at a point where I wish the pubic-party had instead… fought all the waivers to ‘the law’…and let ObamaCare wreck everything quicker…so these SOB’s can own it quicker…as it hits the no-info’s…. on the head quicker!

KOOLAID2 on September 30, 2013 at 8:14 AM

Shut it down.
As with the sequester, most people won’t notice a difference.

justltl on September 30, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Congressman Andy Harris (Republican M.D. from Maryland) being interviewed right now. Thinks that a shutdown is inevitable because Harry Reid decided not to convene the Senate yesterday.

Suggests that if the Senate rejects the House bill, next one is going to have the Vitter amendment attached to it which would make it that much more difficult for Senate Dems to reject.

On Obamacare, Harris says that rates aren’t even available but people are going to be shocked when they find out how much Obamacare is going to cost them personally. The numbers being thrown around by the administration are lies. Even the “bronze plan” is going to cost thousands of dollars before Obamacare pays for anything.

Happy Nomad on September 30, 2013 at 8:46 AM

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