Reuters poll shows Obama at a 39% overall approval rating

posted at 12:41 pm on September 27, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Recent polls have shown a rapid decline in Barack Obama’s standing with the American public, but the new Reuters/Ipsos poll is the most dramatic — although technically, it’s not a decline.  His job approval has dropped to 39/55, and the Democratic Party doesn’t get above 40% in trust for any of the major issues on the table.  Neither does the GOP, though, which shows a deep credibility problem for both major parties (via Jim Geraghty).

First, let’s take a look at the breakdowns on Obama’s performance.  Democrats approve overall 74/22, but only 35% strongly approve, which is an interesting figure among his own party As one might expect, Republicans highly disapprove at 12/88.  The score among independents is what’s killing Obama at the moment — a 23/69, which is going to be a huge problem for vulnerable Democrats in next year’s midterms if Obama can’t right the ship before then.  Only 10% of independents strongly approve, as opposed to 39% who strongly disapprove.  Those kind of numbers may threaten Democrats in some districts and states previously seen as safer, too.

However, this is not a drop in approval for Obama, at least not within this series.  Disapproval spiked in September at 56% in the last poll two weeks ago, where Obama also had a 39% approval rating.  It’s still a decline from August, where several Reuters polls put Obama approval between 41-43%, within the margin of error from September.  In July, Obama bottomed out at 40/51. This chart shows the pattern for 2013:

reuters-approval

The widening of the split in this series began in July, but has accelerated through August and September.  That’s more than just Syria at work, although that certainly isn’t helping.

The right/wrong track numbers show a bigger problem for Democrats, though, who control the White House and Senate and have for more than four years.  That number is now 22/64, which is hardly an endorsement of current leadership. Among Democrats it’s just 43/41, but among independents it falls to 14/71. The right/wrong track is open to interpretation, but it’s generally seen as an indicator of satisfaction with the party in power.  That’s not a good sign for the White House.  This is roughly within the same territory as RCP’s overall polling trend on the direction question, which shows a widening negative split this year as well.


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But yet the GOP can’t defund Marxist Care because the Marxist is too popular.

bgibbs1000 on September 27, 2013 at 12:45 PM

If he resigns, I’ll approve.

John Deaux on September 27, 2013 at 12:48 PM

They’re just not that into him anymore.

Too bad that didn’t happen last November.

Bitter Clinger on September 27, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Oh Joy! A troll-free thread!

Happy Nomad on September 27, 2013 at 12:50 PM

They’re just not that into him anymore.

Bitter Clinger on September 27, 2013 at 12:49 PM

And it’s not us, it is him.

Happy Nomad on September 27, 2013 at 12:51 PM

30%ers.

Oh my.

BobMbx on September 27, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Reuters Poll shows Obama at a 39% overall approval rating

I guess we have McConnell, Boehner, McCain, and the gutless GOP leadership to thank for that, right? /sarc

Now just imagine we had nominated a conservative in 2012, one not afraid to fight Obama a la Cruz… I am pretty sure Obama would have been a one termer.

I wonder what it will take for the GOP to realize that Americans prefer principled fighters to wish-washy double talking hypocrites…

TheRightMan on September 27, 2013 at 12:52 PM

39% with a baked in 13%. Quite impressive. Maybe the American people are paying more attention than I thought?

He’d be in the 20′s if not for his skin color.

ButterflyDragon on September 27, 2013 at 12:52 PM

What are the demographics of the poll?

I’ll wager they over sampled dems. Zero’s popularity is closer to thirty.

dogsoldier on September 27, 2013 at 12:53 PM

RCP average basically flat for the last 45 days.

Today 44.3/50.7.

Chris of Rights on September 27, 2013 at 12:54 PM

It’s all Fox News’ fault, dontcha know. He told us so today!

mel23059 on September 27, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Look at the dividing swine of the land.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2013 at 12:56 PM

a sample of 1,729 Americans, including 643 Democrats, 611 Republicans, and 276 Independents ages 18+ were interviewed online

This doesn’t say citizens. Nor is it voters. They oversampled dems.

dogsoldier on September 27, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Self-centered azzhole in chief

“Once it’s working really well, I guarantee you, they will not call it Obamacare,” Obama told a crowd in Largo, Md. Thursday. “Here is a prediction for you. A few years from now, when people are using this to get coverage, everybody is feeling good about the choices they’ve got, there are going to be a whole bunch of folks that will say, yeah, yeah, I always thought this provision was excellent. I voted for that thing. You watch. It will not be called Obamacare.”

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2013 at 12:57 PM

LOL!!!

PARTY ID
All Adults
Strong Democrat
14%
Moderate Democrat
18%
Lean Democrat
8%
Lean Republican
6%
Moderate Republican
13%
Strong Republican
11%
Independent
16%
None of these
9%
Don’t know
5%
Total Democrat
40%
Total Republican
30%

dogsoldier on September 27, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Obama is below this number. He is toast and unfortunately, we are stuck with him until the end of his term.
Maybe his wacky self will loose his mind and we can get rid of him early?

Delsa on September 27, 2013 at 1:00 PM

He’s at 39% approval with a 40% demtard sample.

dogsoldier on September 27, 2013 at 1:00 PM

You baggers are all the same. Some phony poll designed to give cover regarding the ACA. Obama knows exactly what he’s doing. Heh. Keep dreaming that you’ll take the Senate and keep the House in ’14.

Get ready to say “Madam Speaker” again.

Lanceman on September 27, 2013 at 1:00 PM

It’s unbelievable that it’s still this high. Shame on the American people.

jawkneemusic on September 27, 2013 at 1:02 PM

The filth will come back to the fold, when The Unmade Bed promises them free [insert trinket here].

OhEssYouCowboys on September 27, 2013 at 1:04 PM

If Boehner pushes amnesty, Pelosi will be speaker in 2015, with my own help.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Self-centered azzhole in chief

“Once it’s working really well, I guarantee you, they will not call it Obamacare,” Obama told a crowd in Largo, Md. Thursday. “Here is a prediction for you. A few years from now, when people are using this to get coverage, everybody is feeling good about the choices they’ve got, there are going to be a whole bunch of folks that will say, yeah, yeah, I always thought this provision was excellent. I voted for that thing. You watch. It will not be called Obamacare.”

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Except his narcissism evolved into downright delusion….

jimver on September 27, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Reuters poll shows Obama at a 39% overall approval rating

So where is “Joe the Plumber” when you need him??

Hey Joe…does 39% qualify as that last few circuits around the drain-hole before stuff disappears and is gone for good ?? :D

OR …is Reuters just trying to give us a pleasant thought before the weekend?? :D

BigSven on September 27, 2013 at 1:08 PM

I’m not excited yet. Rasmussen has him at 49 today and Gallup 44. Once all the polls show him down I will be happy.

Jack_Burton on September 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Maybe he would be more popular if he gave some more speeches.

birdwatcher on September 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM

BigSven on September 27, 2013 at 1:08 PM

This is the ‘roto-reuters poll’ isn’t it??

BigSven on September 27, 2013 at 1:11 PM

The proverbial “What difference does it make”, our overlords D and R want Obamacare – and by gosh they’re gonna keep it.

MontanaMmmm on September 27, 2013 at 1:14 PM

61% of those polled are racist.

cat-scratch on September 27, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Ironically, Teh SCOAMT has a 57% approval rating among Senate “Republicans”.

Steve Eggleston on September 27, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Steve Eggleston on September 27, 2013 at 1:15 PM

no kidding.

MontanaMmmm on September 27, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Picked a bad day to go Bishing…

Lanceman on September 27, 2013 at 1:17 PM

And 27 Republican Senators want to join him…

Oil Can on September 27, 2013 at 1:18 PM

I guess the American people are finding “what it is in it.”

mwbri on September 27, 2013 at 1:24 PM

I fear revolution is not far off…. count me in. These scumbags, all of them, need to go.

HomeoftheBrave on September 27, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Told you so, Planet Earth.

Chuck Schick on September 27, 2013 at 1:32 PM

If he was white..
If the media did their job..

20%….

hillsoftx on September 27, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Wow….it only took

4 1/2 years, nearly $7 trillion in new debt, multiple on-going scandals, numerous Constitutional violations, over 300 dead bodies, the resurgence of Al Qaeda, the downgrade of our AAA Credit Rating, Obama/the IRS targeting Americnas/Obama’s political enemies, the NSA spying on EVERY American, & the 1st dead Ambassador in over 30 year
… for the Majority of Americans to figure out that

the Communist-tutored, Racist/Anti-American Hate Spewing ‘Pastor’-Mentored, Saul Alinsky ‘Rles For Radicals studying/quoting, Islamic Extremist-Sympathizing, Community Organizer & 1/2-a-term Senator is incompetent, ill-prepaired, and unfit

…to hold the office of President of the United States.

IT’S ABOUT D@MN TIME!

easyt65 on September 27, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Just one question: What difference does his approval rating make?

If he was at 5% approval:

Would it stop him from violating the law and Constitution to impose what he wants at will?

Would it stop the Democrats, their allies farther to the Left, the Media [I may be repeating myself a bit there], or the security organs of the State from supporting everything he does?

Would it make the Institutional Republicans do anything but rubber stamp anything he wants?

Would it make the vote count any more honest and change any balance of power?

Subotai Bahadur on September 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Looking at the historicals on RCP, The Economist and Reuters polls have consistently been about 8-10 points lower than the others, with The Economist being slightly higher then Reuters. So, this fits the typical pattern.

Chris of Rights on September 27, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Just one question: What difference does his approval rating make?

If he was at 5% approval:

Would it stop him from violating the law and Constitution to impose what he wants at will?

Would it stop the Democrats, their allies farther to the Left, the Media [I may be repeating myself a bit there], or the security organs of the State from supporting everything he does?

Would it make the Institutional Republicans do anything but rubber stamp anything he wants?

Would it make the vote count any more honest and change any balance of power?

Subotai Bahadur on September 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Actually, it would. At that low point, it would mean he’d lost the support of Democrats. He can do anything he wants as long as he’s got support of about 65% of the Dems and Indies don’t totally hate him. When Dem support starts dropping that’s when he truly becomes a lame duck.

Err…that should read “If Dem support starts dropping…”

Chris of Rights on September 27, 2013 at 1:43 PM

it means nothing. the whole year of 2012 right track/wrong track was approx. 30/60. until sept when right spiked up and wrong spiked down. the libs will whine and moan about their pols not being hardcore left enough but when the rubber hits the road and elections draw nigh they step back in line.

chasdal on September 27, 2013 at 1:54 PM

It’s still that high? Amazing. Are his 2 million fake twitter followers included in that tally?

iamsaved on September 27, 2013 at 1:57 PM

You know what can help him?
Amnesty.

Killing America helps Democrats.

GardenGnome on September 27, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Just one question: What difference does his approval rating make?

If he was at 5% approval:

Subotai Bahadur on September 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM

It would make a difference if we had an opposition party. Unfortunately, we aren’t allowed to have that anymore.

Doomberg on September 27, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Subotai Bahadur on September 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM

NOTHING.

It may emphasize how Obama has kept his promise, to fundamentally change the U.S. – how we are now a Socialist nation whose citizens have been enslaved by would-be ‘Masters’ at whsoe mercy we now find orselves. BUT SO WHAT?

The Elitist, self-serving ‘Establishment’ GOP members (Corker, McCain, McConnell, Cronyn, etc) have this plan of retaking the Senate (which at this point is a HOPE and nothing more)…and if they succeed…SO WHAT? Obama is well-armed with ‘Executive Priviledge/Orders’ to do whatever he wants to do. Even Cronyn admitted if they take the Senate & pass legislation to repeal Obamacare, Obama will only veto it.

And after these ‘Establishment GOP’ refused to support Cruz because their wittle egos were bruised AND because they (Cronyn) admitted they are petrified by the idea that the Liberals will blame them for any shut down of govt…after they spelled out their plan to repeal Obamacare which they even admit will fail because he will veto it….after they were exposed as caring more about their own jobs than joining Cruz in fighting against what everyone – even Dems – call a bad law…I do not think the GOP will win the Senate.

Part of the reason why is at this very second the GOP is ‘sowing the seeds of their own destruction’, proving they are better at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory than any other person or group in the entire world. In order to win the Senate they wanted to put the Democrats on the record – again – for voting for Obamacare so they can use that against them in the 2014 elections. The key to winning the Senate is the PAIN that the Independent Mandate will cause on Americans. That pain, which the GOP would blame on the Democrats, will ensure a victory….

NOT SO FAST….the GOP is NOW pushing for the Indvidual Mandate to be delayed 1 year…until AFTER the elections. No Individual Mandate, NO PAIN, No discontent, No CHANGE, No GOP winning the Senate, & I predict this Anti-Cruz sellfish, egoi-bruised tantrum they just pitched may cause Conservatives to target them in THEIR next election.

They bet America’s survival on winning the Senate, and the best chance of that happeneing is dis=satisfaction over the PAIN from the Independent Mandate within Obamacare. If the GOP demand that is delayed 1 year they basically sabotage their own plan!

What is it with these gutless, spineless, self-serving losers who seem to LOVE losing, who sabotage their own plans to succeed?!

Maybe this part of their plan to SUPPORT Obamacare while appearing to oppose it? Maybe the NSA/Obama has something on them from their spying, much like they HAVE to have something on Chief Justice Roberts, who re-write Obamacare from the bench TWICE thereby saving it?!

They already know their plan will fail when Obama vetoes their bill…IF they retake the Senate. They are now,however,ensuring they will not win the Senate by eliminating the Individual mandate until after the 2014 elections.

What does Obama’s unapproval rating mean…not a d@mn thing, especially when your own party reps are planning and fighting to fail.

easyt65 on September 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM

ButterflyDragon

Exactly right. The 12 or 13% black population would be with Obama even if he committed mass murder at a shopping mall. This would effectively reduce his popularity to the mid-20′s. Unfortunately the current Republican internecine war could yet revive him.

MaiDee on September 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Actually, it would. At that low point, it would mean he’d lost the support of Democrats. He can do anything he wants as long as he’s got support of about 65% of the Dems and Indies don’t totally hate him. When Dem support starts dropping that’s when he truly becomes a lame duck.

Err…that should read “If Dem support starts dropping…”

Chris of Rights on September 27, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Even if they disagree with him, Democrats and other Leftists will back what he does, because he is the key to them holding power. That is all they care about, power. So long as he can continue to manipulate the electoral system, controls the security organs of the State, and pick and choose favorites; they will back him hoping to be a favorite and not an enemy. The Institutional Republicans will continue not to oppose him because they are wholly owned chattel of the Democrats.

Subotai Bahadur on September 27, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I have been always been puzzled why he is ever above 20%. Then I saw the media really go to work just before the election… and now I know.

Positive media for him, combined with negative media for Republicans, all of it manufactured news, devoid of truth, about either, brings him up several points in a week or two.

I loved the filibuster, but that gave the kernel the media needed to start the proven formula to bring Obama’s numbers up.

We are really fighting the media, not the Democrats alone so much.

And that is the problem that has no solution!!!

If we could figure out how to make the media present news without favoring either side we would win most battles.

At least Cruz didn’t give them the sound bite to run over and over. That is a small victory.

I just hope others are as unhappy with the actual results of Obamacare as I am.

petunia on September 27, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Reuters poll shows Obama at a 39% overall approval ratin

That means that 12% of the voters were clueless idiots and 39% are complete morons.

cajunpatriot on September 27, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Chris of Rights on September 27, 2013 at 1:43 PM

He has remarked aloud how much easier it would be to run the U.S. as a dictator…

And when you have a South American President lecturing the U.S. President about how the NSA spying on every American is the absence of Freedom (no privacy equates to ZERO Freedom / liberty), you pretty much know we are about 2 knotches above ‘Banana Republic’.

Face it…we are being ‘ruled’ by a pathelogically lying, narcisistic, Anti-Colonialist (like his dad), Communist-tutored (Frank Marshall Davis), Racist/Hate-Spewing/Anti-American ‘Pastor’-mentored (Jeremiah Wright), Socialist Saul Alinsky ‘Rules for Radicals’-quoting (during his inauguration, even), Islamic-Extremist-Sympathizing Community Organizer & 1/2-Term Senator who vowed he would ‘fundamentally change the U.S.’!

What do people expect?

easyt65 on September 27, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Dropping below 40 percent approval is very, very dangerous. Something like that just doesn’t happen unless a politician is losing support from his own party. And once THAT avalanche starts it just doesn’t stop till it hits the mid-20′s. Losing Democratic support means there is a growing bi-partisan consensus that things aren’t going well. And we all know that once a consensus forms that settle the question once and for all and only anti-science yahoos continue to question such received wisdom.

Fred 2 on September 27, 2013 at 2:19 PM

it means nothing. the whole year of 2012 right track/wrong track was approx. 30/60. until sept when right spiked up and wrong spiked down. the libs will whine and moan about their pols not being hardcore left enough but when the rubber hits the road and elections draw nigh they step back in line.

chasdal on September 27, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Yes, and I observed how they did it. See above. I just wish we could figure out how to do it to them.

I hope Cruz doesn’t fall into the same trap others have fallen in and, because he is younger can think more like the Dems and find a way around the way they sabotage Republicans.

The truth is however, there are competeing sides and the left exploits that to the hilt.

If both sides, all sides? could just suck it up and get along until we drove this whole 5 year “Utopia” into the ground… we are right!!!! Both sides are mostly right, and the actually do agree, but they are fighting over who has the lead!

It is discouraging… and much of it is about personalities, not policy.

petunia on September 27, 2013 at 2:19 PM

39% with a baked in 13%. Quite impressive. Maybe the American people are paying more attention than I thought?

He’d be in the 20′s if not for his skin color.

ButterflyDragon on September 27, 2013 at 12:52 PM

THIS!

ButterflyDragon stop getting inside my head! That’s EXACTLY what I was thinking.

neyney on September 27, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Yet the GOP gave us the “moderate” for 2012. Gave us someone who was a little more right and not afraid to fight and take on the “racist” “war on womenz!” garbage and not afraid to stand up to it… sure shoe in.

Instead we get someone who had to play along because of the worry about “optics”… this is what “optics” got you. Half the party hating you. Thinking your worthless limp d*ck bastards.

watertown on September 27, 2013 at 2:37 PM

The American people were convinced in 2008 that Obama’s past did not matter..It did not matter that…

o He was tutored by prominent self-professed Communist Frank Marshall Davis…

o He was admittedly mentored and remained under the ‘mentoring’ of racist, haate-spewing, Anti-American ‘Pastor’ Jeremiah Wright

o He admitted he was a scholar of Saul Alinsky, especially of his book ‘Rules for Radicals, from which he quoted on several occasions, to include during one of his 2 Inaugurations. Not just Obama has quoted Alinsky but so has Michelle during her own speeches…Believing in and quoting such ‘trash’ it is no wonder Michelle had never been proud of America until her husband won the Presidency.
– Americans REALLY voted for a President whose wife declared she had NEVER been proud of this nation until her husband won the Presidency?! How the h#ll did THAT happen?
o He boasted of the endorsement from the New Black Panthers which he posted on his 2008 Campaign web site, along with a link to their web site….until the media found them and began to report on them

o He admitted that in college he hung out with the Communist, Socialist, etc Kids…that he felt more comfortable with them…how he admitted he learned to be all things to all people, to tell them what they wanted to hear, learned what motivated different people and how to manipulate them (Pre-Community Organizer Training

o He was FRIENDS with Terrorist Members of the Weatherman Underground, the group that was responsible for bombing and killing American 1st responders – specifically the man who not only perpetrated these bombings but also declared he was not sorry for what he did and wished he had perpetrated MORE bombings. It was in this man’s living room that he announced his intention to run for the Presidency! (No wonder Obama has an affinity for ‘terrorists!)

o He was connected to Tony Rezco, even supposedly bought his house with money he got from Rezco.

And that is ONLY the tip of the iceberg! How could Americans be so completely blinded by the mountain of warning signs? Was race THAT big of a factor as to force so many who wanted a black President so badly that they CHOSE to overlook all of these things? Or was it that so many Americans are just THAT gullible and stupid? For whatever reason, Americans bought the sudden Idea that a candidates – No, not just ANY Candidate’s past did not matter…just that Obama’s past….his background, educators, mentors, tutors, faith, beliefs, everything about who he was….DID NOT MATTER.

To those in the 80% who did but no longer support Obama, SHAME ON YOU! For YOU, you deserve every piece of misery you are getting now for voting for this man when there was so very much out there predicting THIS! I don’t want to hear 1 single one of you complain about anything. Just $hut up, and Embrace the $uck!

easyt65 on September 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM

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In what way? This sociopath and his administration have been governing all along against the will of the people. What the hell to they care about poll numbers at this point?

Right Mover on September 27, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Way, way too high. Populace completely brainwashed and braindead.

perries on September 27, 2013 at 2:51 PM

He won the election.

What does he care about the polls.

His agenda is all that matters.

esblowfeld on September 27, 2013 at 2:54 PM

39-12=27%

OxyCon on September 27, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Congrats, scooter. Ya finally broke through the big 4_0.

It’s all downhill from here.

petefrt on September 27, 2013 at 2:56 PM

ButterflyDragon

Exactly right. The 12 or 13% black population would be with Obama even if he committed mass murder at a shopping mall. This would effectively reduce his popularity to the mid-20′s. Unfortunately the current Republican internecine war could yet revive him.

MaiDee on September 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM

…and the rest is Bradley-Wilder.

slickwillie2001 on September 27, 2013 at 3:03 PM

I wish this actually meant something.. but he owns the WH till Jan 2017, no matter how low his poll numbers get.

Coger on September 27, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Regardless of Ted Cruz’s opinions, tactics, whatever, he’s just the wrong guy to be leading the charge. For people outside the South (and I imagine some in it), he cuts a smarmy preacher, Elmer Gantry-like figure.

We Northeners are not irremediably prejudiced against Southeners. But you’ll have to serve us up someone who doesn’t seem like he’s from 1952 Alabama.

bobs1196 on September 27, 2013 at 3:34 PM

We Northeners are not irremediably prejudiced against Southeners. But you’ll have to serve us up someone who doesn’t seem like he’s from 1952 Alabama.

bobs1196

Which is why no republican candidate should waste 5 seconds on the northern states. Too much stupid to overcome.

xblade on September 27, 2013 at 3:49 PM

We Northeners are not irremediably prejudiced against Southeners. But you’ll have to serve us up someone who doesn’t seem like he’s from 1952 Alabama.

bobs1196 on September 27, 2013 at 3:34 PM

How about a protégé from “Southern Manifesto” Fulbright’s Arkansas?

de rigueur on September 27, 2013 at 4:31 PM

GOP better hold the line on the debt ceiling.

ncconservative on September 27, 2013 at 5:07 PM

We Northeners are not irremediably prejudiced against Southeners.

bobs1196 on September 27, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Uh, yes most of you are.

jazzuscounty on September 27, 2013 at 6:15 PM

We Northeners are not irremediably prejudiced against Southeners.

bobs1196 on September 27, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Uh, yes most of you are.

jazzuscounty on September 27, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Agreed, and may I add, irrationally prejudiced.

slickwillie2001 on September 27, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Wait until they find out what Obamacare really means.

flataffect on September 28, 2013 at 11:20 PM