Tom Coburn: Wait, I’m a RINO now because I disagree with Ted Cruz on tactics?

posted at 6:41 pm on September 26, 2013 by Allahpundit

Alternate headline: “RINO surprised to discover he’s a RINO.” No, no, kidding. It’s a testament to how much goodwill Coburn has earned with grassroots righties that he remains a minor player in the RINO/true conservative squabble over defunding despite having been one of the first big-name Republicans to publicly criticize Cruz’s tactics. Or maybe I’m wrong and he’s simply being ignored because a more attractive target for right-wing wrath has inserted himself into this. Coburn gets a pass vis-a-vis McCain, I think, not just because of differences in their record but because Coburn takes no obvious personal pleasure in rebuking the wacko birds. When he tells you it’s too bad that Cruz is doomed to fail, you believe him. Not so Maverick. In fact, there’s an odd symmetry between Coburn as low-key opponent of trying to defund and Mike Lee as a (comparatively) low-key supporter. Both of them are being overshadowed on their respective sides by guys who are lightning rods for criticism. The left (and Peter King) will come away from this declaring Ted Cruz some kind of terrorist but Lee will sail on undamaged.

I think Coburn’s right, though, that confusion about what’s possible here risks disappointment and demotivation next year. Tactically, things have reached the point where even some grassroots conservatives who are following this closely aren’t sure what’s going on. Here’s something one of Orrin Hatch’s staffers posted yesterday:

The confusion over cloture is understandable, but it comes on top of the earlier confusion about Cruz wanting to filibuster the House bill that actually defunds ObamaCare and on top of the broader uncertainty about which side would suffer more from a shutdown over defunding and how badly. Ironically, I think the more convoluted the tactical debate becomes, the easier it is to simply choose a side between the RINOs and true conservatives and start hammering the other as sellouts/grandstanders. Democrats insist that Cruz’s filibuster will achieve nothing; Coburn, whatever his feelings about ObamaCare, agrees with them on at least that much. If he’s not willing to risk a months-long shutdown in a quixotic bid to pressure the other party into defunding the biggest “accomplishment” of the Obama presidency, then he’s kinda sorta “with” the Democrats, isn’t he? QED.

Update: If Tom Coburn’s the new president of the RINOs, Rick Perry must be his VP.

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We just want you jack holes to fight!!!

MT on September 26, 2013 at 6:45 PM

not RINOS, just gutless

t8stlikchkn on September 26, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Not again…

22044 on September 26, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Tom Coburn: Wait, I’m a RINO now because I disagree with Ted Cruz on tactics?

Yeah, pretty much. Where the hell were you the last few years fighting against Obamacare? Nowhere you miserable SOB. And then you launch into an attack when somebody in the GOP breaks from the surrender caucus? Burn in hell you worthless RINO. You’ve used up any goodwill with conservatives by defending the funding of Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on September 26, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

diogenes on September 26, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Yes Tom. Yes.

katy on September 26, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Tactically, things have reached the point where even some grassroots conservatives who are following this closely aren’t sure what’s going on. Here’s something one of Orrin Hatch’s staffers posted yesterday:

Cruz explained it all in his speech, and repeated it to Corker.

the_nile on September 26, 2013 at 6:52 PM

What a whiner! He’s milking this for all it’s worth.

Blake on September 26, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Whining RINO = WHINO.

Pork-Chop on September 26, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Alternate headline: “RINO surprised to discover he’s a RINO.” No, no, kidding.

You’re kidding? Why? I’d take that seriously.

Coburn takes no obvious personal pleasure in rebuking the wacko birds. When he tells you it’s too bad that Cruz is doomed to fail, you believe him.

Funny, because I don’t. The GOP controls the House, period. They have enough members in the Senate to block cloture. No amount of insisting that the strategy is “doomed” changes these facts. Stay united against Obamacare, and the strategy succeeds.

Stoic Patriot on September 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Why Yes, Tom Coburn, YES you are a fracking RINO! Now get the hell out of the way, you scumbag…

Scrumpy on September 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Rick Perry now a RINO as well. So who’s left in the party now? Cruz and Mike Lee? Rand Paul’s membership is strictly provisional, given that he was apparently opposed to the non-filibuster behind closed doors.

Esoteric on September 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM

No, Coburn is a “RINO” because he called voters racist in 2010 for asking questions about Obamacare.

He is a complete fraud.

He comes out with a list of “government waste” every year and then what does he do? Nothing. Not a single thing.

tetriskid on September 26, 2013 at 6:57 PM

I think Coburn’s right, though, that confusion about what’s possible here risks disappointment and demotivation next year.

I guess you’ve never heard of Jimmy Doolittle.

I see Ted Cruz as quite possibly equatable to Jimmy Doolittle, and obviously so.

“The Doolittle Raid is viewed by historians as a major morale-building victory for the United States. Although the damage done to Japanese war industry was minor, the raid showed the Japanese that their homeland was vulnerable to air attack, and forced them to withdraw several front-line fighter units from Pacific war zones for homeland defense. More significantly, Japanese commanders considered the raid deeply embarrassing, and their attempt to close the perceived gap in their Pacific defense perimeter led directly to the decisive American victory during the Battle of Midway in June 1942.”

VorDaj on September 26, 2013 at 6:57 PM

We just want you jack holes to fight!!!

MT on September 26, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Exactly. Well said.

John the Libertarian on September 26, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Heh. This is really fun and interesting to watch. They don’t want any new kids messing around in their little Congress Club.

/Too late, pal. Gig is up. You’ve exposed yourself.

Key West Reader on September 26, 2013 at 6:58 PM

They’re all irked that their posturing against ObamaCare has been exposed.

INC on September 26, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Seriously, people are going to turn on Coburn? Talk about a circular firing squad. You what my concern is? How about a 21 year-old Army E-4 with two kids and no paycheck due to a govt. shutdown. Worse, the spouse of that 21 yo E-4 who has to deal with this while he is deployed. It is easy to be absolutist when it is someone else who will see their livelihood disappear, their credit destroyed and have to endure the stress of keeping food on the table. Maybe Paul and Coburn have a point after all. And even the fact that it will be Obama’s fault will not keep the rent paid and kids fed. Think about it.

The Opinionator on September 26, 2013 at 7:00 PM

The GOP are Palinizing Cruz. They are trying to discredit and slime him well before 2016 comes into focus.

There’s simply too much crap flying against him.

Amazingly enough, Cruz is exposing these weak links and they don’t even know it.

katy on September 26, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Rick Perry now a RINO as well. So who’s left in the party now? Cruz and Mike Lee? Rand Paul’s membership is strictly provisional, given that he was apparently opposed to the non-filibuster behind closed doors.

Esoteric on September 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM

You are seriously calling Rick Perry a RINO?

gophergirl on September 26, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Tom,

I don’t care how conservative you are.

You and the GOP leaders are telling us “Trust us, we know what we are doing.”

Meh!

Sir Napsalot on September 26, 2013 at 7:01 PM

RINO? To my great disappointment Mr Coburn, yes you are.

RdLake on September 26, 2013 at 7:01 PM

The Opinionator on September 26, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Bipartisan bill already introduced.

Two senators introduced a bill on Wednesday that would keep paychecks coming to members of the military in the event of a government shutdown.

The bill from Sens. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) and Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) would allow service members to be paid during a shutdown and also allow paychecks to be sent to civilian employees in warzones or “doing jobs critical to supporting military operations.”

INC on September 26, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Cwy baby wanna wowwy pop?

mjbrooks3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:06 PM

You what my concern is? How about a 21 year-old Army E-4 with two kids and no paycheck due to a govt. shutdown. Worse, the spouse of that 21 yo E-4 who has to deal with this while he is deployed.

The Opinionator on September 26, 2013 at 7:00 PM

You should be more concerned with the nation than with some individual who maybe should have put a few weeks pay away and/or not had kids he can’t support if he gets even one pay check delayed.

VorDaj on September 26, 2013 at 7:07 PM

All I want to know is, how did Ted Cruz’s actions impede the Coburn plan to derail ObamaCare?

BKeyser on September 26, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Tom Coburn Knocks Fox News, Says Nancy Pelosi is a “Nice Person”
CBS News ^ | 4/6/2010 | Brian Montopoli

Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:58:34 AM by OldGuard1

Sen. Tom Coburn, a staunch conservative from Oklahoma, is doing what seems almost unthinkable in this polarized political climate: Defending his Democratic colleagues from critics at Fox News.

At a town hall meeting, Coburn suggested that a woman who said “they can put us in prison” for not obtaining health insurance under the health care reform bill is misinformed.

“The intention is not to put anybody in jail,” he said. “That makes for good TV news on Fox but that isn’t the intention.”

He also defended House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the architect of the House version of the health care legislation that he fiercely opposed.

“I’m 180 degrees in opposition to the speaker — she’s a nice lady,” he said. The crowd could be heard responding unfavorably to his characterization.

“Come on now, she is a nice — how many of you all have met her?” continued Coburn. “She’s a nice person. She’s a nice person.”

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com …

nuf said.

MontanaMmmm on September 26, 2013 at 7:07 PM

You what my concern is? How about a 21 year-old Army E-4 with two kids and no paycheck due to a govt. shutdown. Worse, the spouse of that 21 yo E-4 who has to deal with this while he is deployed. It is easy to be absolutist when it is someone else who will see their livelihood disappear, their credit destroyed and have to endure the stress of keeping food on the table. Maybe Paul and Coburn have a point after all. And even the fact that it will be Obama’s fault will not keep the rent paid and kids fed. Think about it.

The Opinionator on September 26, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Then follow Cruz’s advice, and send to the Senate CRs that fund 1 agency at a time. Send the DoD CR first.

Stoic Patriot on September 26, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Coburn, we see you putting your energy into making sure your staff gets exemption from the law of the land. You’re part of the problem.

kunegetikos on September 26, 2013 at 7:07 PM

RINO Strategy

1) Implement obamacare.
2) Sit back and watch while it destroys the economy and health care.
3)Hope to win an election.

There is only one debate; Will obamacare irreparably damage the US economy, destroy the Constitution as our societal and governmental compass and forever change the relationship between US citizens and the government and enslave the American people?

If the answer is yes than Cruz is the one to follow. If your answer is no then follow bohener, mcconnell, cantor, cornyn and conyers. Oh yeah and clinton, schumer, reid and pelosi.

peacenprosperity on September 26, 2013 at 7:08 PM

You are seriously calling Rick Perry a RINO?

gophergirl on September 26, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Could be Perrys meds, maybe he’s still on tardasil?

the_nile on September 26, 2013 at 7:08 PM

All I want to know is, how did Ted Cruz’s actions impede the Coburn plan to derail ObamaCare?

BKeyser on September 26, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Good question, and one that should be asked of all those GOP who are carping.

INC on September 26, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Semantics. He can’t be a RINO, he’s in the majority of Republicans. He’s GOPe.

Conservatives can rightfully and proudly claim the RINO name in this party. Cons are a minority in the party that is on the outs with the GOPe.

I so much on the outs I left in 2007. Got tired of being in a party that claimed to be conservative but was working toward fiscal collapse in concert with Democrats.

Meremortal on September 26, 2013 at 7:10 PM

VorDaj on September 26, 2013 at 6:57 PM

I’m thinking more of Cruz, Lee, and Paul as the Flying Tigers.

Outnumbered, outgunned, against guys with more experience, and hitting way above their weight level. The Doolittle moment is coming, the one that scores the strike that eases up on these guys to really put a hurt into the enemy… but that was AFTER Pearl Harbor.

We aren’t at Pearl Harbor.

Yet.

ajacksonian on September 26, 2013 at 7:10 PM

“Come on now, she is a nice — how many of you all have met her?” continued Coburn. “She’s a nice person. She’s a nice person.”

MontanaMmmm on September 26, 2013 at 7:07 PM

And Lizzie Bordon sparkled at family dinners. What’s your point Tom?

Happy Nomad on September 26, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Let me add, the republicans controlled all 3 branches for 6 years during the bush administration. The same guys were there (bohener, mcconnell, cantor, cornyn and conyers). What socialist, wasteful programs did they get rid of? How much did they reduce the national debt and the deficit? What freedoms were restored under their control?

peacenprosperity on September 26, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Time for Rassmussen to set up polls for each and every GOP Senator as well as House member to see if we rate them as RINO or not, maybe include rabid progressive choice as well since some require that. Let’s get this on record so they can check quickly and easily without wasting their valuable time we are all paying for.

Got a solicitation last night for Weekly Standard subscription. In a very nice multi-page ad included they showed prior issues’ front pages, one had Paul Ryan as listed as “conservative”. Entire thing, on top of RINO Kristol as one of the main voices, was a nice laugh on its way to the circular file.

riddick on September 26, 2013 at 7:11 PM

No, you’re a RINO because you are a phony-conservative liberal douche! (Nice hair part by the way.)

MPan on September 26, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Ok, Senator Coburn, maybe yo’re not a RINO, but the Republican establisment had better not underestimate the discontent out in there.

Republican leaders need to pull their heads out soon.

Either that, or prepare for insurgency.

MichaelGabriel on September 26, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Don’t be silly you’re not a RINO you are an adorable Kitteh with a disability.

batterup on September 26, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Let me add, the republicans controlled all 3 branches for 6 years during the bush administration. The same guys were there (bohener, mcconnell, cantor, cornyn and conyers). What socialist, wasteful programs did they get rid of? How much did they reduce the national debt and the deficit? What freedoms were restored under their control?

peacenprosperity on September 26, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Boehner and Graham were the leaders of the 10 member idiot squad who ran Gingrich out of Congress when he refused to listen to their stupidity. They are GOP leaders since. Enough said.

riddick on September 26, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Don’t try to be a martyr, Tom. It doesn’t suit you.

portlandon on September 26, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Meremortal on September 26, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I think R’s can be categorized by the party platform which at the moment is actually conservative.

INC on September 26, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

diogenes on September 26, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Shut the thread down. Question answered.

Let me add, the republicans controlled all 3 branches for 6 years during the bush administration. The same guys were there (bohener, mcconnell, cantor, cornyn and conyers). What socialist, wasteful programs did they get rid of? How much did they reduce the national debt and the deficit? What freedoms were restored under their control?

peacenprosperity on September 26, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Conyers is a ‘rat from Detroit.
Boner was not Speaker during W. J. Dennis Hastert and Piglosi were.

Lanceman on September 26, 2013 at 7:13 PM

When Rs had control of of all or at least two branches of govt, what was implemented to control the spending that the CBO and two FED Chairman have long classified as unsustainable?

*crickets*

Meremortal on September 26, 2013 at 7:14 PM

You are seriously calling Rick Perry a RINO?

gophergirl on September 26, 2013 at 7:01 PM

I think where Coburn and others (not McCain he’s just a crazy liberal SOB) lost their credibility was when they so publicly attacked the only politicians willing to defund Obamacare. It would be one thing if Coburn took Cruz aside and said something along the lines of “Ted, you might want to re-think your strategy here” but NO! They found the nearest camera and went into attack mode.

Happy Nomad on September 26, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Tom Coburn: Wait, I’m a RINO now because I disagree with Ted Cruz on tactics?

And the new “tactics”?

Wait until the Republicans capture the Senate and White House to repeal ObamaCare.

So after three years of the “free” ObamaCare we’ll have a President, House and Senate anxious to repeal ObamaCare… Oh wait there is that filibuster thing in the Senate, so we’ll need 60 Senate seats, that may take a while to achieve and remember the numerous rinos in the Senate, we’ll actually need at least 70 Senate seats to overcome the rinos.

When will Republicans have a strong President, House and Senate with 70 seats? Just before our dying sun swells and incinerates the Earth.

So Tom and the NE establishment Republican “tactics” are to wait an eternity for something that will never happen. Great strategy from the Republican leaders!

RJL on September 26, 2013 at 7:14 PM

When you run to MSNBC and trash Ted Cruz, you’re worse than a RINO, you POS

Jackalope on September 26, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Perry sees Cruz as a potential threat to him in 2016.

I like Perry … and this is the way the guy won elections in Texas – by playing hardball.

I mean – how can a guy that essentially threatened SECESSION call an effort to defund ObamaCare … “Nonsensical”??

It’s just politics.

HondaV65 on September 26, 2013 at 7:15 PM

All I want to know is, how did Ted Cruz’s actions impede the Coburn plan to derail ObamaCare?

BKeyser on September 26, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Good question!

Happy Nomad on September 26, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Perry sees Cruz as a potential threat to him in 2016.

I like Perry … and this is the way the guy won elections in Texas – by playing hardball.

I mean – how can a guy that essentially threatened SECE$$ION call an effort to defund ObamaCare … “Nonsensical”??

It’s just politics.

HondaV65 on September 26, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Tom Coburn: Wait, I’m a RINO now because I disagree with Ted Cruz on tactics?

Climb down off your cross, Tom. We need the wood.

Kent18 on September 26, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Happy Nomad on September 26, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Hey I don’t feel sorry for Coburn but Rick Perry is not a RINO. He’s been fighting Obamacare from the very beginning. Heck he was our only conservative hope for a long time until Paul, Lee and Cruz got going in the Senate.

Yes I know I like him but to call him a RINO is a bit ridiculous.

gophergirl on September 26, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Unless he backs out on his word (which he kept when in the house) Coburn will not run for reelection. He is hardly an “establishment” repub. He has never been a political animal, which may be to his detriment in this case, making him unable to see the tide turning and riding it to better position.

That said, being wrong here doesn’t make him a rino. Efforts to paint him the same color as McCain, et al, while understandable in the moment, only serve to divide those whose ideals are similar but who differ on tactics.

I think it’s time he stepped down tho, ’cause I don’t believe he’s up for this fight.

questionmark on September 26, 2013 at 7:17 PM

I think Cruz just blowed up the RINO party!

Woo Hoo! And the RINO’s are Palinizing Cruz. They’re playing right into his hands. I love it. And, I also love Rand Paul!

Key West Reader on September 26, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Tom Coburn, Tell us again about the nice and friendly lady Nancy Pelosi.

RJL on September 26, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Boner was not Speaker during W. J. Dennis Hastert and Piglosi were

Boehner had cantors position. He was there. Don’t try to make excuses for his miserable, self enriching career.

peacenprosperity on September 26, 2013 at 7:17 PM

You know these fools ARE SO STUPID.

Who won that night? Who go credit? Those that stayed and stood with Cruz.

All it would have took is for you guys to stand up with him. Even if you said that you thought this was a fuitless effort that it would not get passed, just agreeing with him that all options should be on the table, along with informing the public exactly WHY this bill go into the night would have gotten much more support.

But NOOOO you wanted to do some more ass slappin with the establishment, and cut a guy that has more balls to stand up for hours debating on this than the rest of the party.

Then you turn around and play patty cake with the dems.

watertown on September 26, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Old Tom looks disheveled. Like a RINO WINO.
He probably needs an appointment visit to his excellent doctor of choice, real soon.
How nice for HIM that he’ll be able to get one!

Jomama on September 26, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Coburn, like that disgraceful midget McCain, has had his ego bruised. Cruz and the unwashed masses of the GOP aren’t paying them their proper homage, and being the small, impotent little bullies that they are, they would rather massage their own egos by ripping on their own party — even if it helps the opposition party — than get in the fight that their country needs.

Screw. Them. All.

Rational Thought on September 26, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I think R’s can be categorized by the party platform which at the moment is actually conservative.

A platform is not a meaningful identifier of a party. A platform is a sop to all the splinter groups in a party to try to hold their votes.

The actions taken or not taken over the last 20 years aws a party are a meaningful identifier for Republicans.

Which is why I am no longer a Republican. I don’t have a self-representative party in my country.

Meremortal on September 26, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Well, I know few people here want to hear it, but Coburn is right. It’s a shame more of this skeptical critical thinking isn’t being employed to discern what a futile stunt this is. If R’s really can work the will of Obamacare opponents on the CR, why stop with defunding? Why not just repeal the whole thing? Why let the individual mandate stand? Why let the Medicaid expansion stand? Why let the exchange subsidies stand? Why not just repeal the whole thing, if this tactic will really work?

Because, uh, it won’t, the president has this thing called a veto pen, and Cruz understands that as well as anyone. We are all being played and I cannot believe more people don’t realize it.

Chuckles3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Boehner had cantors position. He was there. Don’t try to make excuses for his miserable, self enriching career.

peacenprosperity on September 26, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Not making excuses for Speaker Crybaby. Just thought you should know.

Lanceman on September 26, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I lost any respect for this goof when he made a big stink about stopping that Farm Bill and then didn’t even raise his voice when the time came.

The dirty jackwad joined the Gang of Six.

Go away, and stay away. America needs real leaders.

avgjo on September 26, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Old Tom looks disheveled. Like a RINO WINO.
He probably needs an appointment visit to his excellent doctor of choice, real soon.
How nice for HIM that he’ll be able to get one!

Jomama on September 26, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Nuh uh… He got Obamacare!

/Oh, wait. He doesn’t. He has the doctor of his choice. Carry on dear fellow… and please check my cloak into the cloak room and bring me a cigar and a brandy.

Key West Reader on September 26, 2013 at 7:20 PM

When will Republicans have a strong President, House and Senate with 70 seats? Just before our dying sun swells and incinerates the Earth.

RJL on September 26, 2013 at 7:14 PM

And then they will come up with some other damned excuse like we need to wait until all the global warming subsides.

VorDaj on September 26, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Coburn and his ilk believe that silent, soft opposition to obamacare is enough – Ted Cruz has proven them wrong. All elected Republicans should be screaming their heads off – or at least be speaking eloquently and forcefully for 22 hours straight – about the dangers of obamacare.

Ted Cruz has raised the bar, to where it should be – he is doing everything in his power to stop obamacare – he is doing his JOB. If Coburn and others can’t handle the job – they should resign. As a nation, we are facing a life and death situation – if America is to survive, obamacare must be stopped. America is worth fighting for.

Pork-Chop on September 26, 2013 at 7:20 PM

What needs to happen is this: Let the ‘rats have the whole thing. Then they need to come and take our guns. All at once.

Lanceman on September 26, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Because, uh, it won’t, the president has this thing called a veto pen, and Cruz understands that as well as anyone. We are all being played and I cannot believe more people don’t realize it.

Getting a defunding bill all the way to Obama would be a huge victory and him vetoing it would likely ensure another huge victory in the 2014 elections. You make it sound like a bad thing (typical rino thinking).

peacenprosperity on September 26, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Dear Sen. Coburn,

What, exactly, are you doing to fight Obamacare?

I mean beyond standing there and griping, that is.

ajacksonian on September 26, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Unfortunately, Tom, you are a RINO. I hate to say it, but my definition is that if you are a Republican and have allowed Barack Hussein Obama to get as far as he has at fundamentally changing the USofA and not been ACTIVELY trying to stop it, you are a RINO. Just voting against him when you are in the minority isn’t going to accomplish anything and hasn’t. Until Rand Paul showed up all of the Republican wimps just sat by and kept voting no, but they were outnumbered. That was their excuse and it apparently it is Tom’s also. They have let the Democrats run all over them, allowed Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, the press, Jay Carney, Barack Obama and the whole crew to call them names. When it came to gun control the NRA had to pull out all of the stops to halt the Left. No help from the Republicans. Yes, Tom, not only are you a RINO, you and the rest of the crew are WIMPS. Avoid a confrontation at any cost because you might lose???? You are worse than wimps. None dare call it treason, but…….

BetseyRoss on September 26, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Why not just repeal the whole thing, if this tactic will really work?

Because, uh, it won’t, the president has this thing called a veto pen, and Cruz understands that as well as anyone. We are all being played and I cannot believe more people don’t realize it.

Chuckles3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:19 PM

It doesn’t matter if the President has the veto pen. We have the House. To make the government run, you need to have approval from the House and Senate.

Let the government shutdown, and tell the Democrats that the country can default if they continue to insist on Obamacare. This is all about making them cry Uncle. If they refuse, break their arm.

Stoic Patriot on September 26, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Hah, my wife’s new passport just came in the mail. They cost $110 now. The silly thing has got patriotic pictures (Rushmore, Statue of LIberty, etc.) on every page.

I said, “Great, we get to pay extra to have pictures of all the symbols of freedom which no longer exists in today’s America in our passports. What, we are trying to impress the customs agents when we travel?

Meremortal on September 26, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Because, uh, it won’t, the president has this thing called a veto pen, and Cruz understands that as well as anyone. We are all being played and I cannot believe more people don’t realize it.

Chuckles3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Wait, you meant the President would shut down the government over Obamacare?

Now that just isn’t the line the MFM will want to have out there, now, will it?

ajacksonian on September 26, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Came in late…but the answer is pretty much yep!

ironmarshal on September 26, 2013 at 7:25 PM

When you run to MSNBC and trash Ted Cruz, you’re worse than a RINO, you POS

Jackalope on September 26, 2013 at 7:15 PM

++++++++++++++++++

Dang it, I was about to say that -

fabrexe on September 26, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Coburn DLTDHYITAOYWO

rik on September 26, 2013 at 7:26 PM

RINO or not, leaders lead, so lead. You can start by telling King and McCain to shut the hell up because they’re producing demorat talking points by the minute.

Bishop on September 26, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Hey I don’t feel sorry for Coburn but Rick Perry is not a RINO. He’s been fighting Obamacare from the very beginning. Heck he was our only conservative hope for a long time until Paul, Lee and Cruz got going in the Senate.

Yes I know I like him but to call him a RINO is a bit ridiculous.

gophergirl on September 26, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Sorry I wasn’t clearer. I don’t know where Perry has been on Obamacare but he’s been doing it from Austin. Obamacare gets stopped in DC and nowhere else. To have Coburn whine about is public attacks on a fellow Republican is disgusting. I hope Oklahomans are melting his phone lines and e-mail box with their thoughts.

Happy Nomad on September 26, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Heh. This is really fun and interesting to watch. They don’t want any new kids messing around in their little Congress Club.

Key West Reader on September 26, 2013 at 6:58 PM

In Breach of Trust: How Washington Turns Outsiders Into Insiders (Thos Nelson, 2003), describing his disillusionment with Republicans interested only taking over the government, not changing it, Tom Coburn wrote of the House Speaker under whom he served in from 1995-1999:

“Gingrich would receive our input, but he rarely took it seriously. He usually made us feel as if we didn’t have much value because we didn’t know anything about the political game in Washington. We were from the outside and wet behind the ears in terms of politics, and we obviously didn’t know as much about history as he did.”

RINO– a Republican In Name Only– is a misnomer. Tom’s a very typical Republican– who’s learned how to keep his ears dry.

de rigueur on September 26, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Because, uh, it won’t, the president has this thing called a veto pen, and Cruz understands that as well as anyone. We are all being played and I cannot believe more people don’t realize it.

Getting a defunding bill all the way to Obama would be a huge victory and him vetoing it would likely ensure another huge victory in the 2014 elections. You make it sound like a bad thing (typical rino thinking).

peacenprosperity on September 26, 2013 at 7:22 PM

All right, then, let me back up a bit — outline the sequence of events for me that leads to a president being sent a defunding bill. Such a bill gets through the Senate how, exactly? Reid is going to facilitate its passage? That’s our game plan?

Look if someone can explain the endgame here to me I am all ears.

Chuckles3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:28 PM

terms of politics, and we obviously didn’t know as much about history as he did.”

RINO– a Republican In Name Only– is a misnomer. Tom’s a very typical Republican– who’s learned how to keep his ears dry.

de rigueur on September 26, 2013 at 7:26 PM

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Yea, another one who gets it!

Meremortal on September 26, 2013 at 7:29 PM

The most important thing to conservatives is to make a compelling case why we dislike this law. Cruz did that and has served a real purpose. Contrast that with Lindsey Graham who openly worries only about the best political tactic. Democrats aren’t required to behave in any other way than to achieve political advantage. The Republican base does not function like that.

Nexialist on September 26, 2013 at 7:30 PM

You are seriously calling Rick Perry a RINO?

gophergirl on September 26, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Well, not sure where Perry fits, to be honest. Yes, he sounds sincere and good, but. He was not supporting Cruz for election. The greatest number of illegals, BY FAR, are crossing the TX border into USA on his watch and in his state and although ICE are not under his control, TX National Guard and Sherriffs are. Largest influx into TX, and thus USA, these days is into San Antonio and its not the “legal” kind. So, yes, while TX right now is still on the conservative side, Perry is not doing anything to stem the tide of illegal scourge. Arpaio IS there for consultations, you know…

Seeing videos of Mexican kids simply crossing TX border daily to attend TX public schools is not something that says “Perry is a conservative”. TX monies are paying for illegals attending TX public schools, that can and should be easily fixed and yet it is not.

And so far we have not heard his take on Cruz’a anti-HusseinCare crusade, Cruz is representing Perry’s state, no?

Perry is not a liberal, that’s for sure, but then he is not a conservative, either.

riddick on September 26, 2013 at 7:30 PM

I really hate the term Rino…I guess that makes me one. I just don’t see how we win future elections by shrinking the party. Reagan welcomed those who agreed and disagreed with him and grew the party.

bopbottle on September 26, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Because, uh, it won’t, the president has this thing called a veto pen, and Cruz understands that as well as anyone. We are all being played and I cannot believe more people don’t realize it.

Chuckles3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Wait, you meant the President would shut down the government over Obamacare?

Now that just isn’t the line the MFM will want to have out there, now, will it?

ajacksonian on September 26, 2013 at 7:24 PM

I think a) he would, and b) the press would back him up to the hilt. Others might disagree. But again, no such bill can make it to his desk anyway, so I probably shouldn’t have even bothered invoking the veto situation. There are too many barriers to this “strategy” working to really keep track of.

Chuckles3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:30 PM

I am not calling Tom Coburn a RINO, but based on a number of the things he has said and voted on in the past few years, I am beginning to think that either he has lost his mind or simply been in the Beltway too long.

bw222 on September 26, 2013 at 7:30 PM

“What the hell happened to my 11th Commandment?!!”

-Ronaldus Maximus

Meremortal on September 26, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Let me add, the republicans controlled all 3 branches for 6 years during the bush administration. The same guys were there (bohener, mcconnell, cantor, cornyn and conyers). What socialist, wasteful programs did they get rid of? How much did they reduce the national debt and the deficit? What freedoms were restored under their control?

peacenprosperity on September 26, 2013 at 7:10 PM

peacenprosperity, you have written my favorite Hot Air Post of all time!!!

Basil Fawlty on September 26, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Why not just repeal the whole thing, if this tactic will really work?

Because, uh, it won’t, the president has this thing called a veto pen, and Cruz understands that as well as anyone. We are all being played and I cannot believe more people don’t realize it.

Chuckles3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:19 PM

It doesn’t matter if the President has the veto pen. We have the House. To make the government run, you need to have approval from the House and Senate.

Let the government shutdown, and tell the Democrats that the country can default if they continue to insist on Obamacare. This is all about making them cry Uncle. If they refuse, break their arm.

Stoic Patriot on September 26, 2013 at 7:23 PM

This still doesn’t answer my question about why “defunding” is the choice here. Why not repeal the whole law? What is the logic behind leaving the purchase mandate, the Medicaid expansion, IPAB, all the new taxes, and the exchange subsidies in place? Is it our preferred policy to leave the lion’s share of Obamacare provisions standing?

Or is the reality that no one really expects this to accomplish anything?

If we just want to take a symbolic stand, why not take it in favor of repealing the whole stinking law? And if this really has a chance, why not repeal the whole stinking law? Can someone explain that?

Chuckles3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:33 PM

All right, then, let me back up a bit — outline the sequence of events for me that leads to a president being sent a defunding bill. Such a bill gets through the Senate how, exactly? Reid is going to facilitate its passage? That’s our game plan?

Look if someone can explain the endgame here to me I am all ears.

Chuckles3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Alright, here’s the endgame.

1.) The House passes a CR without Obamacare (complete)
2.) The GOP filibusters any effort on cloture that would allow for amendments to be passed with only 51 votes (???)
3a.) If (2) succeeds, block any amendments with less than 60 votes, and let the Democrats choose to either have the government shutdown, or preserve the services that they value so much by voting to defund Obamacare and continue to fund the government. If it succeeds, that’s the game since if the Democrats in the Senate go along with it so will Obama.
3b.) If (2) fails, go to (4)
4.) Pass a series of CRs one agency at a time to prove that you are willing to fund the government. If successful, we win. If it fails, go to (5)
5.) Allow the government to shut down
6.) Having shown that you will let the Democrats’ precious programs go under over Obamacare, next point out that the debt ceiling fight is coming up. Again, let them know that they can get rid of Obamacare or choose default. If they get rid of Obamacare, great. If not, go to (7).
7.) Shoot the hostage. Default on the debt, and let the economy (and with it, the country) collapse, leading to the dissolution of the United States.

Stoic Patriot on September 26, 2013 at 7:34 PM

I really hate the term Rino…I guess that makes me one. I just don’t see how we win future elections by shrinking the party. Reagan welcomed those who agreed and disagreed with him and grew the party.

bopbottle on September 26, 2013 at 7:30 PM

I agree, but not in a way you will like. We need a conservative party that will save America from the coming and inevitable financial ruin that approaches. We need a party that will act as quickly as possible.

We need a new party that is conservative. The Republican party is working in concert with the Democrats to destroy America as the financial wonder it has been for two centuries.

The Republican Party (GOPe) is not working to save the country. On the contrary it is working to kill it off. That’s why I left.

Meremortal on September 26, 2013 at 7:35 PM

The most important thing to conservatives is to make a compelling case why we dislike this law.

I agree with that, but it doesn’t necessarily follow that trying a “defunding” provision to the CR is the best way to accomplish that.

Chuckles3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Seriously, people are going to turn on Coburn? Talk about a circular firing squad. You what my concern is? How about a 21 year-old Army E-4 with two kids and no paycheck due to a govt. shutdown. Worse, the spouse of that 21 yo E-4 who has to deal with this while he is deployed. It is easy to be absolutist when it is someone else who will see their livelihood disappear, their credit destroyed and have to endure the stress of keeping food on the table. Maybe Paul and Coburn have a point after all. And even the fact that it will be Obama’s fault will not keep the rent paid and kids fed. Think about it.

The Opinionator

And yet, somehow life didn’t end for those same kind of folks during the other 8-9 times the government was shut down since 1976, including one time the government shut down for 21 days during the Clinton administration.

Meanwhile, the people who can’t take care of their families now because they can’t find a job due to Obamacare thank you for your concern.

xblade on September 26, 2013 at 7:36 PM

This still doesn’t answer my question about why “defunding” is the choice here. Why not repeal the whole law? What is the logic behind leaving the purchase mandate, the Medicaid expansion, IPAB, all the new taxes, and the exchange subsidies in place? Is it our preferred policy to leave the lion’s share of Obamacare provisions standing?

Or is the reality that no one really expects this to accomplish anything?

If we just want to take a symbolic stand, why not take it in favor of repealing the whole stinking law? And if this really has a chance, why not repeal the whole stinking law? Can someone explain that?

Chuckles3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:33 PM

I think the next step is to push for full repeal with the debt ceiling fight. I think Cruz is pushing specifically on funding because the CR is a funding measure, and thinks it will play better. I would be more than happy to support a full repeal though, and that would be the core of what I’d want. Without funding, you basically are going to get the same thing, only it’s going to take a little longer for it to go away.

Stoic Patriot on September 26, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Tom Coburn has been sliding farther to the left since he announced he is leaving the Senate.

I suspect he just wants to be ‘loved’ and no longer has much left in the way of principals.

Freddy on September 26, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Look if someone can explain the endgame here to me I am all ears.

Chuckles3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:28 PM

The R party has no ‘end game’ at this. Cruz is the closest to someone who is trying to take a strategic view of things, but only has a few tactics at his disposal.

He is USING THEM.

There are a few individuals who are in the Senate and a few more in the House who were able to get the defunding ball rolling… but that is only tactics.

If there was a strategist there it would be a relatively simple strategy of making defunding the ‘nice’ option that everyone would pine for in six months.

Because the next option would be pain, much pain, by adding an amendment to the next CR to enforce full funding of Obamacare, no waivers, no exemptions, everyone in it, no executive discretion, and all prior waivers rescinded. And if there are any hiccups the entire thing is suspended and money reverts back to the Treasury. Give the enemy what they ask for but in a way they will not like and cannot accept… have the enemy vote down funding for Obamacare AS WRITTEN. Show how much they love their own law. Tell the American people why you are doing this: so that they can experience the lovely joy of the leftist ideal up-close and personal.

After a year of pain, you get some people serious about excising the thing in the House to go dept. by dept., agency by agency for funding and shift the battle to parts of HHS and the IRS, while funding everyone else separately. That requires a reinforced House and new leadership and you won’t get there without a lot of pain on the American people. Want them to turn out in droves? Have their doctors ask about their sex life and when they want their free government proctology visit. That ought to wake everyone up through the BOGU method. If you feel you don’t deserve this treatment by your government, then ELECT A BETTER ONE that won’t do this to you.

ajacksonian on September 26, 2013 at 7:39 PM

The Opinionator

And btw, you pretty much just made an argument in support of Obamacare. I mean, you don’t want to deny a poor single mother of 2 who is barely getting by health care because she can’t afford health insurance, do you?

xblade on September 26, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Without funding, you basically are going to get the same thing, only it’s going to take a little longer for it to go away.

Stoic Patriot on September 26, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Since this is a CR, the funding is only for the rest of this fiscal year, which comes to roughly $13 Billion. But actual funding for the 2014 is much more and will be part of the 2014 budget talks to come soon. You kill the CR HusseinCare budget you get much better chances to defund it for 2014 as well.

riddick on September 26, 2013 at 7:41 PM

All right, then, let me back up a bit — outline the sequence of events for me that leads to a president being sent a defunding bill. Such a bill gets through the Senate how, exactly? Reid is going to facilitate its passage? That’s our game plan?

Look if someone can explain the endgame here to me I am all ears.

Chuckles3 on September 26, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Maybe you can tell us all why the GOP has to capitulate and fund Marxist Care? Anybody want to tell us why that has to be the way it is? And don’t start with the shutdown BS and who gets blamed. I don’t care, most conservatives don’t give a rats ass about whether the government gets shutdown. Most would welcome it. Let the dem constituency squirm over the shutdown. Who cares? All the GOP has to really do now is tell the Marxist there will be no negotiation on Marxist care none, take the CR or let the damn thing shutdown. Afterall that’s what Reid has said isn’t it? Only the GOP has to fund it or Reid will shut it down. So stop already with the blame game BS.

bgibbs1000 on September 26, 2013 at 7:41 PM

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