House GOP to tie one-year delay in ObamaCare to debt-ceiling hike

posted at 12:01 pm on September 26, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

According to Reuters, at least, the House Republican caucus has settled on a new strategy to fight ObamaCare — and on new ground.  The caucus has decided to shift away on a defunding strategy based on a continuing resolution needed by the weekend to keep government funded, and instead tied the debt-ceiling raise needed by October 17th to an agreement to delay the rest of the ObamaCare mandates for one year:

Republicans in the House of Representatives will demand a one-year delay of full implementation of the 2010 healthcare law known as Obamacare in its opening offer to increase the U.S. debt limit, their leaders announced on Thursday.

Earlier today, John Boehner rejected Barack Obama’s refusal to negotiate on a debt-ceiling raise, telling the media, “It doesn’t work that way.”  Obama should know better; he negotiated on the debt ceiling in 2011, for instance, and voted against a similar hike in 2006 as a Senator during the Bush administration.  When he claimed that Republican demands for negotiations amounted to extortion and were unprecedented, the Washington Post slapped him with four Pinocchios for the claim.

The shift in battlegrounds for Republican caucuses in both chambers had been noted earlier by Politico:

A large number of Senate and House Republicans are raising the threat of a debt default to curtail, delay or defund President Barack Obama’s signature domestic policy achievement. It’s a major gamble — risking the prospect of a first-ever default on U.S. debt — but it’s one seriously being considered by the same Republicans who have refused to join Cruz’s filibuster attempt of the stopgap spending bill to keep the government running.

“I think the debt ceiling is a good opportunity … to defund or at least delay,” said Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn, who opposed his Texas colleague’s tactics on the spending bill. “I’m for delay, defund, repeal, demolish, destroy, whatever the ‘d’ is, when it comes to Obamacare — I’m for.”

Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), who dubbed Cruz’s threat to shut down the government over Obamacare the “dumbest idea” he’d ever heard, said Congress shouldn’t give Obama a debt ceiling increase without attaching strings, and the president “is going to pay some price for it, which is a benefit for the American people.”

“I hope [an Obamacare] delay is either part of the next [continuing resolution] or I hope it’s part of the debt ceiling,” Burr said.

Byron York also reported earlier that the predictable failure of the all-or-nothing defunding strategy had Republicans on Capitol Hill thinking about more subtle ways to impact ObamaCare and other priorities:

House GOP leaders have lots of options. They could always re-attach a defunding provision and send the continuing resolution back to the Senate. I’m told that idea is off the table; it would do nothing except provoke a government shutdown. The House GOP could also attach a measure to delay the implementation of Obamacare, or of the individual mandate at the heart of Obamacare, for a year or some other period of time. I’m told that is also off the table; Senate Democrats and President Obama have shown no more inclination to agree to delaying Obamacare than they have to defunding it.

House GOP leaders could also decide to surrender completely and simply pass the “clean” continuing resolution, ensuring funding of the government and doing nothing about Obamacare. I’m told that’s off the table, too.

York didn’t mention a delay, but instead reported that Republicans might offer one or both of two other options.  One would be a repeal of the medical-device excise tax, which some Senate Democrats want to see eliminated, but which would create a shortfall of statutory revenue for the ObamaCare exchanges. The other would be to force a reversal in the White House decision to exempt Congress and its staffers from the provisions of ObamaCare and its exchanges.  Both options would make it difficult, if not impossible, for vulnerable Senate Democrats to oppose.

On the other hand, with defunding dead, does it make sense to delay or nibble at this at the late stage of a game of fiscal chicken? The exchange rollout is already a disaster, with premiums skyrocketing and even the smallest and most Democratic government unable to get its act together.  Perhaps the best way to argue for a later dismantling of ObamaCare is to get out of the way of the train wreck and make sure that the Obama administration and Democrats own it entirely, rather than allow the claim that the troubles have been caused by Republican efforts to stop it.  That’s the “let it burn” strategy, and at this point, it might be a better play, especially if Democrats really want to own it — as they have proven this week.  It’s still worth forcing Democrats to vote against a one-year delay for consumers while endorsing delays that let employers and insurers off the hook, though.  Get that on the record, and then perhaps it’s time to get out of the way.

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Schadenfreude on September 26, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Republicans in the House of Representatives will demand a one-year delay of full implementation of the 2010 healthcare law known as Obamacare in its opening offer to increase the U.S. debt limit, their leaders announced on Thursday.

This idea is ABSOLTELY f*<king stupid!

Let’s delay the opening of Obamacare… so they tech people can fix it make it work perfectly, THEN open it to the public. It gives the TECHIES the ability to perfect its operation and provide a service that WORKS (in a technical sense).

DEFUND the SOB and let the money stop flowing. I really don’t care if it is applied now to get me some “ObamaCare mandates for one year”.

Of course, we know how “well” the last couple times we did on the Debt Limit.. /sarc

PS. I didn’t read anyone elses posts..

-west

mr_west on September 26, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Really, if you oppose Obamacare, there is no need to rejoice. It’s sickening to think Cruz was vilified for fighting, and the same vilifiers are acting like this delay is some sort of a solution.

mobydutch on September 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Perhaps the best way to argue for a later dismantling of ObamaCare is to get out of the way of the train wreck and make sure that the Obama administration and Democrats own it entirely…That’s the “let it burn” strategy, and at this point, it might be a better play, especially if Democrats really want to own it — as they have proven this week.

Bingo.

It’s still worth forcing Democrats to vote against a one-year delay for consumers while endorsing delays that let employers and insurers off the hook, though. Get that on the record, and then perhaps it’s time to get out of the way.

Again…bingo. And IMO, that’s been the best strategy all along.

There is no defunding of ObamaCare before 2015 at the earliest. As the saying goes, it’s baked-into-the-cake spending. The best option is to forcefully remind the American public that this monstrosity is purely and wholly-owned by the Democrats. You do that by forcing the Democrats to vote – several times – to continue on with this disaster, then force a showdown over a govt shutdown. Then, beat a strategic defeat, making the following the GOP message for the entirety of 2014:

“We tried – over and over again – to avert this disaster. We tried – over and over again – to give Democrats the chance to change course on what was painfully, obviously a complete boondoggle. But they were so obsessed with their all-consuming desire to put into place another giant entitlement program, that they refused to listen to reason and simply stomped on the gas pedal, driving the best health care system in the world off a cliff.

Let this serve as notice to the American people: when you vote for Democrats, you always run the risk of having a year like 2008 occur – a year when Democrats win complete control over the government. And when that happens, all of their talk about being “moderates” disappears and they show their true face…that of big govt liberals and Leftists who are never satisfied with the govt as is, no matter how big and overbearing it may be. They always – all of them - want to grow it bigger and make it more invasive.

But all is not lost. Because at the end of the day, their adherence to big govt liberal ideology is only superseded by one thing – their own self-interest. You have a choice this November. And the choice you make will be the only message that needs to be sent. Deliver a loud enough message at the ballot box and the Democrats who are left standing the next day will be all but too eager to make a course correction then in order to fix this mess. And if President Obama still obstinately stands in the way and decides to continue to keep putting his ideological loyalties ahead of his loyalty to the American people, then so be it. There’s another election coming up in 2016. And after 2 full years of suffering under ObamaCare, we doubt that you’ll forget the lesson about trusting Democrats.”

rvastar on September 26, 2013 at 3:04 PM

I think we are going to lose the battle in a government shut down. For two reasons. The first being that our congressional leaders are not conservatives and therefore they have a very difficult time articulating the conservative message. The second reason is the MSM will take the Demoncrat side in a government shut down no matter what the issue is.

Obama care will be a complete disaster when it is implemented. Doubling and tripling health insurance cost in some states. Delaying that disaster for one year gets us past the mid term elections saving many Demonrat congress critters from explaining why they voted for this legislation.

Instead we should make a deal forcing the ACA to be implemented the way it was passed. No exemptions for Demoncrat donors. Make their promises vs the reality the issue over the mid terms.

jpmn on September 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM

The Affordable Care Act could have been a good thing as “Ann A. Butt” would say only if the good came from cost savings and efficiency. The problem as I and Michelle Malkin is experiencing, it is at the increased burden of the middle class. Read her experience and here is mine. I put in 27 years in the Army so that my family would have free medical for the rest of our lives. Ya right! Fine print only until you turn 65. Then you must go on medicare at the cost of $2400/year to be raised to nearly $5,000/year next year. I can chose to not be on medicare but the fine is currently and actually nearly $22,800/YEAR for each and every year for the rest of my life. Ya that’s no miss print $22,800/year for the rest of my life. Now my son who I pay only $19,000/year to help out 2 days a week in the family business gets his medical care for free. We on the other hand are excluded from the affordable care act because we are retired military and over the age of 65. Go figure.

jpcpt03 on September 26, 2013 at 3:43 PM

No delay. A one year delay puts the pain beyond the Nov 2014 elections.

teejk on September 26, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Forcing a vote on delaying it puts every Democrat Senator up for reeelction next year in a very tough spot. Do they support exemptions and delays for Big Business and unions, but not for regular folks?

rockmom

Right, but forcing them to vote for funding the entire thing (that they’ve already voted multiple times to support) which is going on this week doesn’t put them in a tough spot, lol.

But now it’s time to do what is actually doable.

rockmom

So, if Obama and the dems say no, Boner is going to shutdown the government and not raise the debt limit until they change their mind, lol?

Delay is no more doable than defunding unless you’re willing to hold the dems feet to the fire and let the government shut down if they don’t agree with the delay option, and last I checked shutting down the government wasn’t an option.

xblade on September 26, 2013 at 4:53 PM

The surrender caucus is now saying they’ll use the debt limit to extract concessions? It isn’t even funny. It’s pathetic because everyone knows they won’t do it. They’ll cave again and blame on the last Presidential election. They have forgotten they were elected as well and they are expected to do the job they were elected to do.

Burr has refused. He’s dead to me.

Quartermaster on September 26, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Earlier today, John Boehner rejected Barack Obama’s refusal to negotiate on a debt-ceiling raise, telling the media, “It doesn’t work that way.”

Well, it seems Boehner is trying to be “Big Bad John” or else he’s had an agreement with Obama that he can play this card.

Here is what Obama said on a Sunday show:

Obama said in an appearance on ABC’s This Week on Sunday in an interview that was taped on Friday. “What I haven’t been willing to negotiate, and I will not negotiate, is on the debt ceiling.”

by Tony Lee 16 Sep 2013

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/16/Obama-No-Debate-on-Debt-Ceiling

bluefox on September 26, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Does anyone know where to find the rules about buying insurance after you need it?

Because… the government has forced my high deductible insurance with unlimited HSA out of business… and I have to buy a different plan.

So I am trying to find out if I could just pay the fine… which for me even this year would be substantial, but not unlike paying 2-3 months of insurance… seriously insurance it really expensive! And not much bang for the buck if you aren’t ever sick.

So… I already figured out that the “bronze” plan would put most people into bankruptcy if they got really sick. It only pays 60% of medical costs… we had something like that a few years ago and had to pay like $30,000 in medical costs… so we changed insurance to a high deductible, $7500, but with a good HSA to save up… and it works fine we don’t often get close to the deductible, but if we did it would pay 100%. So it is actual insurance, like car insurance. Not a payment plan where you lose your money if you don’t get sick.

So anyway the Bronze plan is not worth much.

But my question is… can you buy in at the Gold level say if you got cancer?

So could you go with out insurance, self-pay… which is way, way, cheaper for us than insurance… since we haven’t got any health problems and just need antibiotics a few times a year. But in the past leaves us exposed if we got cancer.

So if I went without insurance, then if I got cancer could I start paying a Gold plan… which I can afford, I just don’t want too because I am healthy?

If so, that isn’t that pretty much a catastrophic insurance plan… don’t pay until you need it, then only have to pay the fine, the new monthly premium, then 10% of costs. That is not a bad deal.

But that makes me go from insured to uninsured.

But hey it’s the Dems stupid plan… I am going t exploit it as much as possible, because it will make it unworkable if people like me have no motive to pay premiums the don’t need, if I can just start paying if and when I need it.

petunia on September 26, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Pelosi on the Debt Limit: Obama Has the Power!

Er, except here is what Section FIVE of the 14th Amendment says:

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Section 5 controls Sections 1-4.

So sorry.

Resist We Much on September 26, 2013 at 6:25 PM

face it……..the gop WANTS this expansion of Federal power and influence…..their ACTIONS speak louder than their words.

So here we go.

PappyD61 on September 26, 2013 at 6:27 PM

I didn’t see any amount listed for this increase in debt ceiling in the article Ed.

From the article by Breitbart:

House Leadership unveiled Thursday a draft plan to lift the debt ceiling for one year.

The plan doesn’t raise the debt ceiling by a specific dollar amount, but rather would allow the Treasury to issue new debt until December 2014.

While specific language won’t be released until late Thursday,

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/26/House-Demands-ObamaCare-Delay-Reforms-for-Debt-Hike

What is this, a blank Check??? No specific dollar amount????

It will be interesting to read the details with all of the shiny objects and especially what the delay of Obamacare really means. A delay of exactly what?

bluefox on September 26, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Oh, and Politico, no one is threatening for the Government to shut down and your choice of the word “default” just underlies your bias as usual. Get educated as default and shutting down the government have different meanings. But I’m sure you knew that since it’s the Republicans your writing about, right?

bluefox on September 26, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Obama: ‘I will not negotiate on the debt limit.’

Poll: 61% of Americans REJECT Obama’s clean debt vote.

#AnotherObamaFAIL

Resist We Much on September 26, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Republicans in most all forms have lost me here.

Why do they constantly take a sure-fire win, and turn it into a loss?

Two months of some real, unadulterated, good-old Obamacare…and about 80% of America would lose their minds, swearing to never, ever vote Democrat again.

Let them own it. Let the left display, in full, painful view, exactly how colossally stupid this “tax” is. Most Americans can’t go 8 hours without Starbuck’s. What the hell do you imagine people are going to be like, when they can no longer get antibiotics with a phone call? The beauty if Obamacare is…it will destroy itself…and quick.

Stop giving the left the rope to hang you with. NO! Bad! Bad Republicans!

a5minmajor on September 26, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Put another way: “When your opponent is committing Seppuku, …don’t interfere.”

a5minmajor on September 26, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Brilliant! Delay the worst aspects of Obamacare until the next election, let Democrats retain their seats and maybe take control of the House, and then fight for Obamacare’s repeal!

Who said they were the Stupid Party?

Socratease on September 26, 2013 at 8:27 PM

I am in favor of a delay of ObamaCare implementation to 2215.

Dasher on September 27, 2013 at 12:20 AM

IMBICILES ARE RUNNING THE GOP!

Senator Cronyn told Hannity the reason why he, McConnell, & McCain didn’t support Cruz because they have their own plan which consists of:

1) DO NOTHING to Block Obamacare Now
2) Bet the Nation’s Survival on Winning the Senate
3) Pass a Bill that Repeals Obamacare
4) Watch Obama Veto their Bill

The MOST IMPORTANT part of Step 2, the reason behind the GOP wanting to put Democrats on record as having voted for Obamacare, if for Obamacare to cause the American people as much pain as possible so they can point to the Democrats up for re-election & blame them for that pain, thus winning the election and more importantly winning the Senate back.

That Strategy DOESN’T WORK is you ELIMINATE THAT PAIN UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION!

Beohner, if he is behind this, just stripped the GOP of the #1 weapon they have to get people to vote for the GOP! No Pain, No Change! These MORONS are about to shoot themselves in the foot, and the Democrats are going to jump all over this, joining them in making sure this happens, BECAUSE IT BENEFITS THEM IN THE UP-COMING ELECTION!

easyt65 on September 27, 2013 at 7:34 AM

Drudge links to a piece by Pat Buchanan, who makes the point that if a Democratic Senate refuses to pass the House-passed CR funding the government, because Obamacare is not in the bill, who is shutting down the government? And If Obama vetoes any CR funding the government that does not contain Obamacare, who is shutting down the government then?

Is this still even possible through today’s vote? As I piece together what’s been happening last few days, I’m aghast not only at the lack of fight in this GOP but also these inane strategies.

girlscout on September 27, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Never underestimate the destructive power of thupid people in large numbers!

easyt65 on September 27, 2013 at 9:36 AM

…that’s ‘STUPID’ people… (And those who can’t spell lol)

easyt65 on September 27, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Delaying it helps Obama and dimorats.

anikol on September 27, 2013 at 10:14 AM

If so, that isn’t that pretty much a catastrophic insurance plan… don’t pay until you need it, then only have to pay the fine, the new monthly premium, then 10% of costs. That is not a bad deal. petunia

Almost going to work, need to know details, but the only thing stopping you from doing it-there will be one month enrollment period, around October each year. Outside that month you wont be able to enroll, so if you didn’t enroll into your plan or switched to your level of coverage during the enrollment month, you cant do it for a year. So you pay either fine, or bills according to the level. I guess with a lot of chronic diseases, one can wait till the enrollment month, before starting treatment, acute, not so much. I think the way around it will be doctors, who will offer competitive care for cash, since most people except for really sick, will shun “adorable ‘leader’ care act”.

anikol on September 27, 2013 at 10:25 AM

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