Terror: FBI releases surveillance video of Navy Yard killer moments before murders

posted at 4:01 pm on September 25, 2013 by Allahpundit

Why they decided to put this out, I don’t know. I suppose they decided that the public has a right to know, although nothing much happens in the video; the right to know naturally doesn’t extend to the mayhem itself, just the prelude. But the impending doom that remains will make your blood run cold regardless. It’s one thing to know that it was an ambush from reading about it in the newspaper, it’s another thing to watch this lunatic creep towards unsuspecting people milling about in the hall, shotgun in hand. Dreadful, in every sense.

Incidentally, the feds think they’ve figured out why Alexis’s arrest record didn’t set off enough alarms to have his security clearance revoked. He apparently lied about his past, and when the background checkers inquired with local police for details, they were … refused.

A central focus of the review is a 2007 background check of Mr. Alexis conducted by US Investigations Services LLC, a Falls Church, Va., company facing a criminal investigation over allegations that it rushed cases through the clearance process without proper review.

Last week, the Office of Personnel Management, the agency in charge of overseeing most federal background security checks, said USIS had conducted a complete investigation of Mr. Alexis, including information on the 2004 arrest.

On Monday, the agency said Mr. Alexis had turned in an incomplete security background form in 2007 that omitted information about the arrest as well as financial problems in his past. After uncovering the problems in the normal course of the examination, investigators asked the Seattle Police Department for information on Mr. Alexis. But the department refused, according to the OPM…

“Had the Seattle Police Department permitted OPM to obtain the law-enforcement records, it is possible that additional information may have been obtained,” according to an agency official. “However, OPM cannot compel police departments to cooperate.”

The feds have a bunch of his thumb drives and computers and, while they’re not revealing the contents, they say they now have reason to believe that Alexis thought his mind was being controlled by extremely low frequency electromagnetic waves. That presumably explains the cryptic “my ELF weapon” inscription on his shotgun. (There were other inscriptions too, including “End to the torment!” You can see photos on the FBI’s website.) As for the mysterious stand-down order given to the Capitol Police SWAT team, they were still waiting for an explanation from their superiors at last check. Here’s one possibility that occurred to me after last week’s post, though: What if their supervisors feared the Navy Yard shooting was a diversionary tactic? Terrorists have pulled that before, hitting a soft target somewhere to draw away police to the scene and then launching a more fearsome attack on a more valuable target nearby. Could be Capitol PD thought the chaos at the Navy Yard was designed to get SWAT to commit there, with something even more sinister planned for the Capitol itself.


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Wow. Is that the famous AR15 Shotgun?

oldroy on September 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Awful. Glad this POS is dead.

Renwaa on September 25, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Wow. Is that the famous AR15 Shotgun?

oldroy on September 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Looks like a Remington pump to me.

rickv404 on September 25, 2013 at 4:05 PM

PC will kill all. Hopefully the perpetrators of it will go first.

The stand-down order will not be released.

Schadenfreude on September 25, 2013 at 4:06 PM

This guy looks like he’s trying to play a live version of DOOM.

1 or 2 Conceal Carry or Armed Employees could have ended him sooner.

portlandon on September 25, 2013 at 4:06 PM

The orders given to remain in place are highly shady too.

Schadenfreude on September 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM

So that’s what a AR-15 looks like. Good to know.

parke on September 25, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Looks like a Remington pump to me.

rickv404 on September 25, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Are you blind? It is obviously an AR-15 Assault Shotgun.

The Notorious G.O.P on September 25, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Incidentally, the feds think they’ve figured out why Alexis’s arrest record didn’t set off enough alarms to have his security clearance revoked. He apparently lied about his past, and when the background checkers inquired with local police for details, they were … refused.

I’m sure most criminals wouldn’t think of doing that…

Galt2009 on September 25, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Didn’t he realize that DC is a gun free zone and that Clinton signed an order prohibiting the carrying of weapons on military bases? Why don’t these lunatics seem to care about gun laws????? /sarc

SoRight on September 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM

So, he was not only an Obama supporter but a Prius-driving Obama supporter.

crrr6 on September 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Huh. When will we see the same kind of footage of the shooter walking into Sandy Hook Elementary School?

Akzed on September 25, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Wow. Is that the famous AR15 Shotgun?

oldroy on September 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM

.
Looks like a Remington pump to me.

rickv404 on September 25, 2013 at 4:05 PM

.
I think we all had the same thought after glancing at that picture.

Well, since this video has been released, I’m sure we’ll be hearing ‘refractions’ from all over the dominant culture of journalists.

I’m so confident of this, that I’m going to take a BIG DEEP breath and hold it while waiting.
.
What sarcasm?

listens2glenn on September 25, 2013 at 4:11 PM

So, he was not only an Obama supporter but a Prius-driving Obama supporter.

crrr6 on September 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM

POS

Galt2009 on September 25, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Wow, what a poorly built AR15 knock off. Looks just like a cheap pump shotgun.

JusDreamin on September 25, 2013 at 4:12 PM

What a piece of filth. Drek doesn’t begin to describe him.

LaughterJones on September 25, 2013 at 4:14 PM

they say they now have reason to believe that Alexis thought his mind was being controlled by extremely low frequency electromagnetic waves.

Well, the technology’s nothing new.

Akzed on September 25, 2013 at 4:15 PM

I didn’t see any “Gun Free Zone” signs. Prolly ’cause of the sequester they couldn’t afford to post enough of them.

Coulda stopped this thing before it started.

mankai on September 25, 2013 at 4:16 PM

they now have reason to believe that Alexis thought his mind was being controlled by extremely low frequency electromagnetic waves.

This sort of thinking would have gotten the guy elected in Maxine Waters district.

Bishop on September 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM

How could this have happened in Washington DC? This is a Gun Free Zone.

If these victims were given a choice in their last 30 seconds of their lives between a Copy of the Law, or a Handgun I think I know what they would have chosen.

portlandon on September 25, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I think we can all agree that the death toll would have been higher if the shotgun had a bayonet lug or a shoulder thing that goes up.

Bishop on September 25, 2013 at 4:20 PM

9mm automatic Glock 12 gauge AR-47

db on September 25, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Here’s one possibility that occurred to me after last week’s post, though:

Or they knew early on that the Chief Moose Approach–aka BOLO Angry White Man In Angry White Van–wouldn’t work in this case.

Christien on September 25, 2013 at 4:22 PM

If only we had expanded background checks so he could be stopped before buying…oh wait.

If only we had an assault weapons ban so he couldn’t have access to scary AR-15s…oh wait.

If only this were a gun free zone so such horrors wouldn’t happen…oh wait.

NotCoach on September 25, 2013 at 4:22 PM

I like the new AR15 shotgun disguise.

hillsoftx on September 25, 2013 at 4:22 PM

If you pause the video at 12 seconds you can clearly see the high capacity assault clip attached to it as well…

nextgen_repub on September 25, 2013 at 4:24 PM

I think we can all agree that the death toll would have been higher if the shotgun had a bayonet lug or a shoulder thing that goes up.

Bishop on September 25, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Just imagine the carnage if he had a barrel shroud.

NotCoach on September 25, 2013 at 4:24 PM

On Monday, the agency said Mr. Alexis had turned in an incomplete security background form in 2007 that omitted information about the arrest as well as financial problems in his past. After uncovering the problems in the normal course of the examination, investigators asked the Seattle Police Department for information on Mr. Alexis. But the department refused, according to the OPM…

So, they knew about an earlier arrest and they knew that he had already lied about it. What else did they need to reject this douchebag? I don’t care if the Seattle police said that he was the greatest guy in the world … the guy had already lied about an arrest. End of story on getting a security clearance of any sort.

WTFFF?

I guess Alexis released a jpeg of his clean record to them … an obvious forgery, but that’s cool in Washington, these days.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 25, 2013 at 4:24 PM

The video is clearly FAKE. Accurate depictions already show he was dressed completely in red and fired his M-4 and M-203 grenade launcher with one hand.

Christien on September 25, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Had we banned magazines a long time ago they woulda got all used up and there wouldn’t have been anything for him to shoot with.

Akzed on September 25, 2013 at 4:26 PM

If you pause the video at 12 seconds you can clearly see the high capacity assault clip attached to it as well…

nextgen_repub on September 25, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Thank God he used them up so they can never be used again.

NotCoach on September 25, 2013 at 4:26 PM

ELF? Could be a Starseige: Tribes reference.

normalphil on September 25, 2013 at 4:26 PM

The video is clearly FAKE. Accurate depictions already show he was dressed completely in red and fired his M-4 and M-203 grenade launcher with one hand.

Christien on September 25, 2013 at 4:24 PM

I smell a coverup.

NotCoach on September 25, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Has anyone else been wondering, why on a Naval base, there are no armed Marines there? The Navy Yard is down the street from the Marine Corps(pronounced,core, for our CINC)Headquarters at 8th and “I”, where plenty of troops could have responded quickly to this assault. There is something terribly wrong inside DOD!

tomshup on September 25, 2013 at 4:27 PM

What if their supervisors feared the Navy Yard shooting was a diversionary tactic? Terrorists have pulled that before, hitting a soft target somewhere to draw away police to the scene and then launching a more fearsome attack on a more valuable target nearby.

They haven’t done that, here, and if this SWAT team had stayed at the scene and taken Alexis down (or gave him some pause, at least) then other SWATtish teams around DC would be gearing up to protect any other place … though there really isn’t anything all that valuable or important in that fetid swampland, anyway.

No … there’s absolutely no excuse for those stand-down orders. None, whatsoever.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 25, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Has anyone else been wondering, why on a Naval base, there are no armed Marines there? The Navy Yard is down the street from the Marine Corps(pronounced,core, for our CINC)Headquarters at 8th and “I”, where plenty of troops could have responded quickly to this assault. There is something terribly wrong inside DOD!

tomshup on September 25, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Because, Clinton.

Shame on Bush for continuing the policy, but Obama would have reinstated it anyways.

NotCoach on September 25, 2013 at 4:30 PM

After uncovering the problems in the normal course of the examination, investigators asked the Seattle Police Department for information on Mr. Alexis. But the department refused, according to the OPM

So they cleared him knowing he lied and knowing about some sort of undetermined interaction with the criminal justice system?

Dead Hand Control on September 25, 2013 at 4:30 PM

As for the mysterious stand-down order given to the Capitol Police SWAT team, they were still waiting for an explanation from their superiors at last check.

They’re still trying to think up and line up support for a feasible story that doesn’t make them look like total asses.

Your theory on the diversion might have some merit if it wasn’t for the weeks-long delay in revealing it. Whatever they do come up with, nobody will believe it at this point.

Socratease on September 25, 2013 at 4:31 PM

They’re still trying to think up and line up support for a feasible story that doesn’t make them look like total asses.

Socratease on September 25, 2013 at 4:31 PM

I guess blaming it on a video is out, then.

NotCoach on September 25, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Are you blind? It is obviously an AR-15 Assault Shotgun.

The Notorious G.O.P on September 25, 2013 at 4:08 PM

I hate it when people that know nothing about firearms shoot their mouths off. The fire arm in question is an AR-15 semi-automatic, single shot revolver with a 23 round clip and high capacity bullets. I can’t quite see but, it may have the optional integrated barrel shroud and choke with the IR laser sight.

Dr. Frank Enstine on September 25, 2013 at 4:35 PM

9mm automatic Glock 12 gauge AR-47

db on September 25, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Heh. Isn’t it comforting to know that if you lost your job you could always be a reporter for the MSM.

tommer74 on September 25, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Looks like a Shotgun to me. Ok, someone tell Obama’s Dim Biden that he has to stop talking about using shotguns.

stuartm80127 on September 25, 2013 at 4:36 PM

When will we see the same kind of footage of the shooter walking into Sandy Hook Elementary School?

Akzed on September 25, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Or how about ANY information about the deaths of Christopher Stevens and the others. We know they are dead. We know the administration lied its ass off about being the result of spontaneous protests. But….. we don’t have the most basic of facts like the cause of death, why the CIA was massed in Benghazi (though we can guess), or why the giant cover-up.

And yes, at this point, it does make a difference.

Happy Nomad on September 25, 2013 at 4:36 PM

As for the mysterious stand-down order given to the Capitol Police SWAT team, they were still waiting for an explanation from their superiors at last check.

The Capitol Hill SWAT team was being assigned R2P duties supporting Al Quaeda in Syria. They had to get them to the airport.

It’s amazing that none of the douchebags who issued or knew about that order have any conscience, at all. I would have expected a half-decent person to have blabbed something by now or just committed sepuku. But noooo. The lowlifes are worried about their jobs and couldn’t care less about the people who died, likely due that insane order. Psychopaths.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 25, 2013 at 4:37 PM

The video is clearly FAKE. Accurate depictions already show he was dressed completely in red and fired his M-4 and M-203 grenade launcher with one hand.

Christien on September 25, 2013 at 4:24 PM

That was Santa during last years Xmas riots.

Dr. Frank Enstine on September 25, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Why they decided to put this out, I don’t know. I suppose they decided that the public has a right to know, although nothing much happens in the video

IMO, it is supposed to exonerate Navy Yard security. They show the shooter coming into the garage in his environmentally friendly vehicle. They show his entry into the building like any other worker. Then they show him lurking in less traveled areas with the one-of-a-kind AR-15 assault shotgun. All designed to say that the fault lies with the mental health system, USIS, or something other than security.

And I think that it was also released to allay fears of Navy Yard workers about the safety of their workplace. In other words, whatever caused the massacre, security did all that it could under the circumstances.

Happy Nomad on September 25, 2013 at 4:42 PM

I guess blaming it on a video is out, then.

NotCoach on September 25, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Good thing blaming it on “violent” video games is still in order…

This guy looks like he’s trying to play a live version of DOOM.

portlandon on September 25, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Steve Eggleston on September 25, 2013 at 4:44 PM

There are bodies not yet in the ground, people who are still being treated for physical or mental injuries, people working hard to support the Navy despite what they experienced last week and the FBi decides giving this porn to the media is a good idea?

Spade on September 25, 2013 at 4:45 PM

What if their supervisors feared the Navy Yard shooting was a diversionary tactic? Terrorists have pulled that before, hitting a soft target somewhere to draw away police to the scene and then launching a more fearsome attack on a more valuable target nearby. Could be Capitol PD thought the chaos at the Navy Yard was designed to get SWAT to commit there, with something even more sinister planned for the Capitol itself.

I find it very difficult to believe Wash DC would have such limited SWAT teams and resources that they can only handle one incident at a time.

whatcat on September 25, 2013 at 4:51 PM

He apparently lied about his past, and when the background checkers inquired with local police for details, they were … refused.

BULLSHIT!

I used to run background checks on applicants for police officer. You run a name through NCIS (National Crime Information Center).
You’ll find out if the subject has any current outstanding felony warrants. Normally, states will only list felony, not misdemeanor warrants in this system. This will also generate a list of ALL arrests made on that name/DOB. Even AKA’s if they are known. The list MAY give a disposition on the arrest (court convictions). In addition, a THROUGH, check would also include running the name/DOB though state criminal databases (time consuming). You get the state names from asking the applicant to list their home addresses over the last 10 years.

Computers are stupid. You ask for a name/DOB, they’ll check the name/DOB +/- 5 years. If the subject uses an alias that has never been linked to their true identity, you wouldn’t get a hit.

For this reason another database was created using the SSAN. In this case, you run a search just on that number. It will give you a list of all the names associated with that number. Because crooks have been known to use several different numbers. Then it’s just a case of running those names down. Again, time consuming.

The Office of Personnel Management is also full of it when they say that the investigating firm found major discrepancies in the information Alexis provided . THAT IS A BASIS FOR IMMEDIATE REJECTION.

GarandFan on September 25, 2013 at 4:55 PM

He apparently lied about his past, and when the background checkers inquired with local police for details, they were … refused.

BULLSHIT!

I used to run background checks on applicants for police officer. You run a name through NCIS (National Crime Information Center).
You’ll find out if the subject has any current outstanding felony warrants. Normally, states will only list felony, not misdemeanor warrants in this system. This will also generate a list of ALL arrests made on that name/DOB. Even AKA’s if they are known. The list MAY give a disposition on the arrest (court convictions). In addition, a THROUGH, check would also include running the name/DOB though state criminal databases (time consuming). You get the state names from asking the applicant to list their home addresses over the last 10 years.

Computers are stupid. You ask for a name/DOB, they’ll check the name/DOB +/- 5 years. If the subject uses an alias that has never been linked to their true identity, you wouldn’t get a hit.

For this reason another database was created using the SSAN. In this case, you run a search just on that number. It will give you a list of all the names associated with that number. Because crooks have been known to use several different numbers. Then it’s just a case of running those names down. Again, time consuming.

The Office of Personnel Management is also full of it when they say that the investigating firm found major discrepancies in the information Alexis provided and asked the local PD for more information. THAT IS A BASIS FOR IMMEDIATE REJECTION.

GarandFan on September 25, 2013 at 4:56 PM

I find it very difficult to believe Wash DC would have such limited SWAT teams and resources that they can only handle one incident at a time.

whatcat on September 25, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Actually it is the opposite. Do you realize how many different types of police were at the Navy Yard

DoD police
Capitol Police
DC Police
National Park Service Police
FBI
NCIS

…. and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Whatever the response issues this was some under-resourced joke of a response like one would find at a shopping mall in Nairobi.

Happy Nomad on September 25, 2013 at 4:59 PM

GarandFan on September 25, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Maybe that was the problem. They did a “through” check with NCIS, instead of thorough NCIC?

Christien on September 25, 2013 at 5:03 PM

I want to see the photo of his cold body bleeding out on the spot where the cops dropped him.

dentarthurdent on September 25, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Looks like a Shotgun to me. Ok, someone tell Obama’s Dim Biden that he has to stop talking about using shotguns.

stuartm80127 on September 25, 2013 at 4:36 PM

But aren’t those “skeet shooters” supposed to be non-lethal – except of course against skeets, and snipes….

dentarthurdent on September 25, 2013 at 5:09 PM

…. and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Whatever the response issues this was some under-resourced joke of a response like one would find at a shopping mall in Nairobi.
Happy Nomad on September 25, 2013 at 4:59 PM

And I suspect the DC area probably has more than one or two very specific resources and plans to handle a terrorist attack should a lone shooter elsewhere be a diversion. I mean, we are talking the capitol of the United States here not East Bumfreak Podunk.

whatcat on September 25, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Knowing how the police think, I figured the stand down order came from someone worried about a second strike to their facility. You have to assume the Navy Yard police can handle their problem while you hot foot it back to your position. On the other hand, how many police were already in their other position getting ready and the team at the Navy Yard was free to go?

That is a command decision and one made by someone who knows following the rules will not get them fired, while doing the right thing might.

If no one gets killed at the Yards, then the recall isn’t noted and no policy guidelines are violated, no paperwork in a personnel file slowing down a promotion, etc.

That is how big government works.

archer52 on September 25, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Didn’t the Obama Justice Department just recently sue a number of companies for using criminal background checks in their employment screening process?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/22/obama-administration-files-suits-against-businesses-using-criminal-background/

Talk about your tailor made campaign issue.

GBob on September 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM

I want to see the photo of his cold body bleeding out on the spot where the cops dropped him.

dentarthurdent on September 25, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Agreed.

DarkCurrent on September 25, 2013 at 5:39 PM

they say they now have reason to believe that Alexis thought his mind was being controlled by extremely low frequency electromagnetic waves.

Well, the technology’s nothing new.
Akzed on September 25, 2013 at 4:15 PM

The counter-measure has been around for a long time, too.

whatcat on September 25, 2013 at 5:44 PM

And how many shots did the cops fire before they finally dropped him?
I want to know.
Cuz, well, it doesn’t take any more than 3 shots to drop a deer, right?

dentarthurdent on September 25, 2013 at 5:46 PM

I want to see the photo of his cold body bleeding out on the spot where the cops dropped him.

dentarthurdent on September 25, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Agreed.

DarkCurrent on September 25, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Hearing a motion and a second, the question is now on the table. All those in favor of the perp bleeding out shot…AYE!

(I can’t believe I’m agreeing with DarkCurrent; it must be the 5 o’clock the stopped clock says it is)

Steve Eggleston on September 25, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Had we banned magazines a long time ago they woulda got all used up and there wouldn’t have been anything for him to shoot with read.

Akzed on September 25, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Fixed?

chewmeister on September 25, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Wow, that’s a scary looking AR-15 “assault rifle” he’s got. Oh wait, that’s a shotgun.

MPan on September 25, 2013 at 6:10 PM

(I can’t believe I’m agreeing with DarkCurrent; it must be the 5 o’clock the stopped clock says it is)

Steve Eggleston on September 25, 2013 at 5:55 PM

We usually only disagree on topics where I know what I’m talking about and you don’t

DarkCurrent on September 25, 2013 at 6:14 PM

And how many shots did the cops fire before they finally dropped him?
I want to know.
Cuz, well, it doesn’t take any more than 3 shots to drop a deer, right?

dentarthurdent on September 25, 2013 at 5:46 PM

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Shouldn’t take more than one, if it’s in the heart/lung area.

Or if you’re feelin’ particularly confident, go for the brain.

listens2glenn on September 25, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Brett Baer reported that it was a sawed off shotgun. I didn’t know you could saw off a pump shotgun.

TX-eye on September 25, 2013 at 6:22 PM

And how many shots did the cops fire before they finally dropped him?
I want to know.
Cuz, well, it doesn’t take any more than 3 shots to drop a deer, right?

dentarthurdent on September 25, 2013 at 5:46 PM

I don’t know how it is in DC but if this was Dallas there would have been about 12 cops who would have fired over 100 rounds and hit him 3 times.

TX-eye on September 25, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Wow. Is that the famous AR15 Shotgun?

oldroy on September 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Oh yes, Colt makes many variants of the AR-15. The
one in the picture looks like the Remington 870 model AR-15.

LOL

esnap on September 25, 2013 at 6:51 PM

(I can’t believe I’m agreeing with DarkCurrent; it must be the 5 o’clock the stopped clock says it is)

Steve Eggleston on September 25, 2013 at 5:55 PM

.
We usually only disagree on topics where I know what I’m talking about and you don’t

DarkCurrent on September 25, 2013 at 6:14 PM

.
That clears everything up.

listens2glenn on September 25, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Brett Baer reported that it was a sawed off shotgun. I didn’t know you could saw off a pump shotgun.

TX-eye on September 25, 2013 at 6:22 PM

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You can cut one back to where the magazine fastens to the barrel, but that would be it.

I’m thinking that would put it below the “legal length” mandate, so I’m NOT recommending that.

listens2glenn on September 25, 2013 at 7:03 PM

..Obama’s son: home movies!

The War Planner on September 25, 2013 at 7:30 PM

The counter-measure has been around for a long time, too.
whatcat on September 25, 2013 at 5:44 PM

I know, prolly works too!

Akzed on September 25, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Shouldn’t take more than one, if it’s in the heart/lung area.
Or if you’re feelin’ particularly confident, go for the brain.

listens2glenn on September 25, 2013 at 6:21 PM

I don’t know how it is in DC but if this was Dallas there would have been about 12 cops who would have fired over 100 rounds and hit him 3 times.

TX-eye on September 25, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Well, ya, one good hit from an AR-15 should do it, but how many total did they fire?
My point being, the Dems keep saying “you shouldn’t need more than 3 shots to drop a deer”.
Well how many did the cops fire before they finally dropped this psycho?
Cuz I want to be able to have AT LEAST that many to defend against any attackers I may have to deal with.

dentarthurdent on September 25, 2013 at 7:33 PM

I had one of those AR-15 shotguns. I filled the barrel up with bullets but it would never shoot.

Akzed on September 25, 2013 at 7:33 PM

I had one of those AR-15 shotguns. I filled the barrel up with bullets but it would never shoot.

Akzed on September 25, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Did you use high capacity assault mag clip bullets?
Cuz that’s what you need to use in one of those – but they get used up quick….

dentarthurdent on September 25, 2013 at 7:37 PM

I had one of those AR-15 shotguns. I filled the barrel up with bullets but it would never shoot.

Akzed on September 25, 2013 at 7:33 PM

..problem was your barrel shroud was too tight.

The War Planner on September 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM

that’s the strangest looking ar-15 I ever saw.

what is that the JOE BIDEN special.

The security briefings they give at work say, lock your doors and hide under a desk

But when the shooter uses the same gun the swat team uses to shoot off door locks yer kinda screwed.

sniffles1999 on September 25, 2013 at 9:59 PM

maybe now might be a good time to pick up a ruger lcp .380 and keep it in your lunch box underneath all the stuff.

just in case.

sniffles1999 on September 25, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Ever notice all of the shootings happen in

do I dare say it

politically correct gun free zones . . . . .

by either nut jobs
dudes on massive meds
or radical islamists

sniffles1999 on September 25, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Biden said: “Get a shotgun.”
It looks like this guy like got a Remington.

shorebird on September 26, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Has anyone else been wondering, why on a Naval base, there are no armed Marines there? The Navy Yard is down the street from the Marine Corps(pronounced,core, for our CINC)Headquarters at 8th and “I”, where plenty of troops could have responded quickly to this assault. There is something terribly wrong inside DOD!

tomshup on September 25, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Uhhh, cause you can’t pontificate over the corpses without corpses.

Let no good crisis go to waste.

WryTrvllr on September 26, 2013 at 1:23 AM

… the right to know naturally doesn’t extend to the mayhem itself, just the prelude.

It should.

David Blue on September 26, 2013 at 5:59 AM

On the good side, what they did release should kill conspiracy theories before any get started.

David Blue on September 26, 2013 at 6:18 AM

Is the surveillance camera system designed so that the screens are not monitored in real time?
That seems pretty useless as a security measure.
If they are supposed to have someone watching the screens, why hasn’t that been mentioned?
Because either no one was watching, or no watcher gave the alarm.

I don’t recall ever seeing a discussion on the above, sorry if I missed it.

company facing a criminal investigation over allegations that it rushed cases through the clearance process without proper review.

Just an aside, but this applies to Obamacare applications and handlers also.

AesopFan on September 26, 2013 at 10:22 AM