Video: Student suspended, possibly expelled for playing with toy gun in his own yard

posted at 10:01 am on September 24, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

When do schools assume legal responsibility for your children?  At the school, on the bus, or at the bus stop?  The latter is likely the best answer, but no one believes that it starts in your front yard, seventy feet away from the bus stop.  Nobody, that is, except perhaps the Virginia Beach City Public School System, which may expel Khalid Caraballo today for shooting a non-lethal pellet pistol in his own front yard last week:

A suspended seventh grade Virginia Beach student will find out soon if he is expelled for the rest of the year for shooting an airsoft gun.

Like thousands of others in Hampton Roads, Khalid Caraballo plays with airsoft guns. Caraballo and his friend Aidan were suspended because they shot two other friends who were with them while playing with the guns as they waited for the school bus.

The two seventh graders say they never went to the bus stop; they fired the airsoft guns while on Caraballo’s private property.

The school says that Khalid and his friends shot pellets “at people near the bus stop,” and that one student was within ten feet of the stop when targeted.  The school has a responsibility to secure the stop and to impose discipline for the safety of its students.  If they can establish that the horseplay did involve the bus stop and students who didn’t want to participate, then they would likely have legal grounds to address the situation.

That still leaves the matter of expelling a student for playing with pellet pistols without malice, and who may just have been careless while playing on his own property.  This might call for detention to make a point, but it’s impossible to imagine that this incident alone makes Khalid so ungovernable that he should be expelled for an entire school year for it.  Given Khalid’s concerns over the incident, it’s even less imaginable:

Khalid said he will never do this again. “It’s terrible. I won’t get the chance to go to a good college. It’s on your school record. The school said I had possession of a firearm. They aren’t going to ask me any questions. They are going to think it was a real gun, and I was trying to hurt someone. They will say ‘oh, we can’t accept you.’ “

This looks very much like another case of zero-tolerance rules running adults rather than the other way around.


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verbaluce on September 24, 2013 at 2:02 PM

You mad, bro?

kingsjester on September 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM

What a bunch of drama queen comments here today.
Kind of hilarious.

verbaluce on September 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Yeah, it only applies to parents whose kids are unjustly labeled with a School-related gun offense, and face expulsion, which will remain in their school record. You’re right, I can’t foresee ANY problems the lad may have in the future having that stain on his record. No reason to get upset.

Saltyron on September 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM

So does this mean that a kid that goes hunting with his dad and posts a picture of him with his kill and rifle can get expelled from school. The clowns have taken over our education system.

MCW on September 24, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Okay so private property is game. Soon your home. Hope they dont catch you drinking a pop before school you about to get expelled.

watertown on September 24, 2013 at 2:05 PM

verbaluce on September 24, 2013 at 2:02 PM

You mad, bro?

kingsjester on September 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Never!

verbaluce on September 24, 2013 at 2:09 PM

The ONLY case the school has is based on the word of SOME KID who….. could easily be concerned about getting in trouble with his/her parents for NOT ACTUALLY BEING at the bus stop, but going over to the friend’s house to play while waiting for the bus. So said KID SAYS he/she was almost at the bus stop, then the running, then the “hit”….! BS.

A fun game going on in a house near (not at!) a bus stop in a subdivision is infinite temptation to the little school kids. Many parents specifically tell their spawn, “Once you get to the bus stop, YOU STAY THERE! No going running around the neighborhood.” The school needs more evidence that pellets were fired at the bus stop, than they’ve shown so far.

momodoom on September 24, 2013 at 2:22 PM

So it’s a drama queens competition?
Ok, that explains it.

verbaluce on September 24, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Why so upset?

You sound upset.

Have some coffee.

itsspideyman on September 24, 2013 at 3:06 PM

kids use my property for bus stop. school once tried to say they had control of it and how I was supposed to keep in cleared.
school buses no longer allowed on my private road.

dmacleo on September 24, 2013 at 3:07 PM

kids use my property for bus stop. school once tried to say they had control of it and how I was supposed to keep in cleared.
school buses no longer allowed on my private road.

dmacleo on September 24, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Shame.

The next logical step.

Makes it difficult to do your civic duty.

itsspideyman on September 24, 2013 at 3:15 PM

VerbalDouche strikes again…

Those poor kids. Leftwing fascism raises it’s head.

Hard Right on September 24, 2013 at 3:22 PM

You do understand that has not happened, right?
And you also understand that isn’t the infraction they’ve been accused of that might merit and result in disciplinary action, right?

verbaluce on September 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM

So you’re still avoiding actual facts to justify your libtard talking points?
Yes – they have been suspended/expelled.
Yes – it was based on a zero tolerance school rule against possession of a “firearm” – which an airsoft toy gun is not.
Why do you work so hard to avoid and disregard facts and truth?

dentarthurdent on September 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM

You do understand that has not happened, right?
And you also understand that isn’t the infraction they’ve been accused of that might merit and result in disciplinary action, right?

verbaluce on September 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Go get some facts.
http://www.wavy.com/news/local/va-beach/has-zero-tolerance-gone-too-far

This story is about fascist, anti-gun, libtard paranoia, zero tolerance idiocy – and over-reach into peoples’ private property, where the school has no business.

dentarthurdent on September 24, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Okay so private property is game. Soon your home. Hope they dont catch you drinking a pop before school you about to get expelled.

watertown on September 24, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Actually, a similar thing happened awhile back. Can’t remember the school district, but it involved school issued laptops. Seems the laptops had cameras in them and school officials and/or teachers were watching the students in their homes remotely.

chewmeister on September 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Go get some facts.
http://www.wavy.com/news/local/va-beach/has-zero-tolerance-gone-too-far

This story is about fascist, anti-gun, libtard paranoia, zero tolerance idiocy – and over-reach into peoples’ private property, where the school has no business.

dentarthurdent on September 24, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Facts and liberals don’t mix.

chewmeister on September 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Actually, a similar thing happened awhile back. Can’t remember the school district, but it involved school issued laptops. Seems the laptops had cameras in them and school officials and/or teachers were watching the students in their homes remotely.

chewmeister on September 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM

And the teachers SHOULD have been charged with invasion of privacy and possibly even child pornography as a result.

dentarthurdent on September 24, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Facts and liberals don’t mix.

chewmeister on September 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Oh, I know. I’m not trying to change his mind – just further demonstrating publicly what a lying libtard moron (but I repeat myself) verbalunatic is.

dentarthurdent on September 24, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Great comments on this link about the Navy Yard shooter over at Twitchy:
‘AR-15 shotgun’: Did CNN let noted gun expert Piers Morgan write its chyron text?

“AR-15″ is Latin for “black and scary-looking.”

For example, “My wife wanted me to come and kill the AR-15 spider that was crawling up the wall.”

Well, if it had eight or more legs and a bayonet stud, it was an assault spider.

Nobody needs more than four legs. Ban high-capacity limb systems!

peski on September 24, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Actually, a similar thing happened awhile back. Can’t remember the school district, but it involved school issued laptops. Seems the laptops had cameras in them and school officials and/or teachers were watching the students in their homes remotely.

chewmeister on September 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM

And the teachers SHOULD have been charged with invasion of privacy and possibly even child pornography as a result.

dentarthurdent on September 24, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Here it is. I think they’re getting their pants sued off for it. You’re right they should be charged with crimes. If that had been my kid the pervert spied on I’d still be in jail and the teacher would be drinking through a straw from a wheelchair for the rest of his/her life.

Oldnuke on September 24, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Oldnuke on September 24, 2013 at 6:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on September 24, 2013 at 6:50 PM

I should’ve clarified that I was talking about student vs. student. With a teacher, it’s different. Of course, sex between teacher and student would be a criminal act which involves the police, courts, etc., but also the disciplining (hopefully firing) of the teacher as an employee of the school district.

Bitter Clinger on September 24, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Hmm. I’m merely pointing out that these people are liberals. There is no difference between a student doing something and a teacher doing something. If a teacher fired an airsoft gun outside of school — say, in a game with her own children — and the police were called by “Gladys”, I’m betting that, at this school, that teacher would no longer have a job.

I’m betting liberal heads are exploding right now. White principal, white school board, black students expelled — and the only “firearms” involved weren’t firearms. They must be spinning in place trying to figure out what’s the right way to go here.

That “reasonable person” thing in the law probably doesn’t include liberals, given how this is playing out.

unclesmrgol on September 24, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Right. If this were a white kid, we never would have heard about it.

And the troll would leave it alone if we had.

CurtZHP on September 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Actually, the troll would have even more reason to troll. There would be no racial component to this whole thing — just white on white stupidity rather than white on black stupidity.

I just used the standard Alinsky rule of making an opponent live up to their own moral code.

unclesmrgol on September 24, 2013 at 9:25 PM

What a bunch of drama queen comments here today.
Kind of hilarious.

verbaluce on September 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Sed quis custodiet ipsum custodem?

unclesmrgol on September 24, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Student suspended, possibly expelled for playing with toy gun in his own yard

Firing of New York teacher found with heroin too harsh, judge rules

What a bunch of drama queen comments here today.
Kind of hilarious.

verbaluce on September 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Hey verbadunce.

Please do me a big favor and square that circle.

antipc on September 24, 2013 at 9:45 PM

With all due respect, a bit of you reap what you sow.
Guys like bluegill are always gonna get ginned up by these ‘guess what some school somewhere did’ stories. And your headline might have more accurately elected reality…and not some warped version of it held by many HA ‘gun rights’ commenters. They think you’re ‘squishy’ for further down the post actually acknowledging this might all be quite reasonable. The school’s reaction and response to the matter being brought to their attention is exactly what any (sane) parent would want.
verbaluce on September 24, 2013 at 1:17 PM

With all due respect you have no idea what you’re talking about,

The schools reaction is stupid and insipid.

Or can you be bothered with my assertion that the school is responsible for any *actual* crime committees on a student at a bus stop. Y’know… Like being shot with a REAL gun by a REAL crook and that answer is…

No.

So take your smug, self-righteous, leftist claptrap back to whimsy town.

Skywise on September 25, 2013 at 3:37 AM

First of all, we have gotten so used to allowing “authorities” to tell us what we can and cannot do, what is right and what is wrong, that we start arguments from their starting point.

Allowing that guarantees the loss. It is a technique used by big government and authorities throughout all nations.

Where did it become “law” that the school has the right and authority to do what it does? Law? Congress? No. It is bureaucratic rules. Some pencil pushing nimrod says it is, so it is…?

Second, this is all part of the concentrated effort to make playing with guns or liking guns or respecting others who like guns a bad thing.

In a generation, the authorities will try to outlaw them again and will succeed because the voters of that era are the brainwashed kids of this.

archer52 on September 25, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Next thing you know, this school can be determining the dress code for the front yard in front of this kid’s home.

Same darn thing!!!

I’m calling that school and registering my disdain for them and their overblown sense of themselves.

avagreen on September 25, 2013 at 12:58 PM

While these poor kids are being robbed of a real education, I’m taking my kids to the range for marksmanship, which is part of their homeschool curriculum, right alongside all their other subjects. Imagine the shock and horror these unhinged libs would experience seeing my brood of kids, some under 10, lined up on the firing line with .22′s, 9mm’s and (Wait, here it comes…) – 5.56 AR-15! Yikes!

And the wussification of America continues.

av8tr on September 25, 2013 at 3:12 PM

av8tr on September 25, 2013 at 3:12 PM

My boys are now in their 20s, and one of them has his own AK-47, and a couple other guns. The other hasn’t bought any guns of his own yet, but he has been shooting with us, and we all have done all required training for concealed carry.

My wife didn’t want guns in the house when the kids were young, but both boys got some initial gun training in scouts.
But now with the Dem gun-grabbers going crazy, she’s out buying her own, and keeps wanting more – and we’re out shooting at the range or at gun shows almost every weekend. (I’m NOT complaining by the way!)

dentarthurdent on September 25, 2013 at 6:06 PM

I use to work at the alternative school these kids might get sent to. No matter how dedicated the teachers there are, you have such a huge variation in academic ability and criminal involvement, it is seldom a great learning experience for a student committing a minor infraction.

Cindy Munford on September 25, 2013 at 6:29 PM

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