New NJ/UTT poll shows … pretty much what Pew and CNBC did

posted at 8:41 am on September 24, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday, Allahpundit joked that he finally got a chance to be the cheerier optimist with the Pew poll on the fight over a possible government shutdown — only to find that the numbers were slightly worse for Republicans than in the earlier CNBC poll.  A third poll out this morning deals with the ObamaCare issue more directly than Pew but finds the same mindset in the electorate.  The National Journal/UTT poll shows a 63% majority opposed to cutting off funding to block ObamaCare, and even Republicans oppose it 42/51:

An overwhelming majority of Americans prefer the Senate’s approach to the government-funding negotiations: 63 percent said Congress should “provide the funding to keep the government operating and deal with the health care issue separately.” Only 27 percent said “only fund the continuing operations of the federal government if Obama agrees to delay or withdraw his health care plan.”Even Republicans are skeptical of the House GOP’s approach. A majority, 51 percent, said Congress should keep the two issues separate, while 42 percent said a continuing resolution should be passed only if Obama agrees to defund the health care law.

In fact, only one demographic within the Republican base actually favors this approach — and only barely outside the margin of error:

Notably, only one subset of Republican-leaning groups was inclined to push for the dissolution of Obamacare. White men without a college degree said they preferred to hold up government funding, 49 percent to 44 percent. Every other Republican group disagreed, and disagreed enormously. White men with a college degree, for example, preferred keeping the issues separate by a margin of 66 percent to 31 percent, a 40-point swing from their blue-collar brethren. More than 60 percent of white women, both those with and without a degree, wanted to deal with Obamacare later.

NJ has a chart outlining the rest of the demographic findings.  Majorities oppose it in all major demos; the 42/51 among Republicans is by far the most sympathetic finding.  Independents oppose it 30/61, men 34/58, females 21/68, and opposition runs over 60% no matter the education level. It doesn’t improve much when trying to tie defunding to the debt ceiling, either:

Opposition to linking Obamacare with debt-ceiling talks is less severe, but nonetheless potent. A majority, 52 percent, say “increase the U.S. debt limit and deal with the health care issue separately,” while 31 percent say “only increase the debt limit if Obama agrees to delay or withdraw his health care plan.”

By a margin of 48 percent to 33 percent, Republicans say they should hold out on the debt-ceiling until Obama rescinds the health care law. The plurality indicates a more congruous, if still far from united, front within the GOP. That explains why many GOP strategists think a fight over the debt ceiling is smarter than one over government funding.

But independents are more hostile to the idea—51 percent of them want to wall off the Affordable Care Act from the debt ceiling, and only 33 percent say the two measures should be linked. For their part, 68 percent of Democrats want to keep them separate.

That’s a clean sweep, and that’s a problem for Ted Cruz.  Cruz’ explicitly-expressed strategy relies on generating overwhelming public sentiment to force Democrats in the Senate, and so overwhelming that it will scare Barack Obama off from vetoing a bill that would (theoretically only) defund his signature achievement.  He’s not losing ground, but he’s not making up any ground either.  Voters in his own party aren’t sold on this tactic, let alone the broader electorate.  And there isn’t much time left for Cruz to make the sale, either.

The GOP does get one piece of good news from the NJ/UTT poll, which is that Obama will get as much of the blame as Republicans in a government shutdown.  Pew got roughly the same result.  But that’s not the same as stopping the exchanges and subsidies, and two empty losses won’t make one victory for Republicans next year.

Update: Glenn Reynolds argues that there won’t be a shutdown unless Barack Obama vetoes the budget, but that’s not really the case.  If Democrats refuse to pass a budget in the Senate with defunding language in it, and House Republicans refuse to pass a budget without it, then we get a shutdown without Obama having anything directly to do with it.  That’s why Cruz argued that his crusade would produce the huge momentum against the Democrats, because that was the only way they would surrender their position on defunding.  As these three polls show very clearly, Democrats have no reason to surrender to Cruz on this point, with overwhelming public support for their position.  Had we fought for delaying language rather than defunding, we might have been in a somewhat better negotiating position right now.


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I am behind Ted Cruz all the way, however, at this point, Cruz, Lee, Paul, et al., should back away from the filibuster idea and go with the Senate leadership. The reason I say that is because they have stated their reasons for filibuster numerous times and have shown that they have not compromised their principles. If Harry Reid uses a political gimic and strips out the defunding of Obamacare and it passes with a simple 51 majority, then they’ve got a big “I told you so” hanging over the leadership’s head.

We know who to trust and who is telling the truth, and that’s what the people need for the 2014 elections.

lea on September 24, 2013 at 10:40 AM

lea on September 24, 2013 at 10:40 AM

And then Obamacare gets funded.

smoothsailing on September 24, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Welcome to reality, its lonely out here.

libfreeordie on September 24, 2013 at 9:50 AM

I suppose that you did absolutely nothing about Jim Crow, bans on miscegenation, prohibitions on SSM, DADT and DOMA because…

…THEY WERE THE LAW or something.

On the other hand, you needed Chief Justice rewrite the Obamacare legislation 19 times replacing the word ‘penalty’ with ‘tax’ – EVEN THOUGH DEMOCRATS HAD ORIGINALLY LABELLED THEM TAX BEFORE CONSCIOUSLY RE-LABELLING THEM AS ‘TAXES,’ WHICH WAS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE IT CONSTITUTIONAL.

Have you abandoned your fight against the Citizens United ruling? After all, IT. IS. THE. LAW.

BTW, your work claiming that SesquesterSquatch ate the vetting process at the WNY:

Old & Busted:

Obama advisor: Hagel will bring “huge cuts” to the military

THIS IS AWESOME. CUT THE BEAST!

- libfreeordie on January 9, 2013 at 2:12 AM

New Hotness:

Thanks sequester!

- libfreeordie on September 17, 2013 at 10:06 AM

For the sake of argument, let’s assume that SequesterSquatch, somehow, somewhere, prevented the Navy from imputing his probably paranoid schizophrenia into the NICS, which might have stopped him from purchasing his shotgun in Virginia from a dealer – of course, he could have stolen it or purchased it and more on the street which if from where 93% of all guns used in crimes are obtained. I’ll laughably give you that one.

Now, YOU explain how SequesterSquatch play any role in Hassan, Snowden or Manning?

Livenslavedthendie = EPIC FAIL.

Resist We Much on September 24, 2013 at 10:43 AM

levi on September 24, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Its that dawning comprehension I live for, when the same suspects that in 2008 and 2012 say ignore the polls then, are doing it now. This clusterfark of strategy by the Leeroy Jenkins is going to sink everyone’s boats if it isn’t put down like the rabid animal it is.

eva3071 on September 24, 2013 at 10:47 AM

The status quo R’s must be really scared of not receiving any more invites to K Street parties…

Btw Ed, the US Senate has not voted on a budget in 5 years unless you consider a CR a budget…

Gohawgs on September 24, 2013 at 10:49 AM

I am behind Ted Cruz all the way, however, at this point, Cruz, Lee, Paul, et al., should back away from the filibuster idea and go with the Senate leadership. The reason I say that is because they have stated their reasons for filibuster numerous times and have shown that they have not compromised their principles. If Harry Reid uses a political gimic and strips out the defunding of Obamacare and it passes with a simple 51 majority, then they’ve got a big “I told you so” hanging over the leadership’s head.

We know who to trust and who is telling the truth, and that’s what the people need for the 2014 elections.

lea on September 24, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Moby.

davidk on September 24, 2013 at 10:52 AM

1) The Republicans must provide the necessary leadership to change the polls, not govern based on them. That’s what Democrats do.

2) This is most likely just a bargaining ploy anyway. Just wait until one of the Democrats says “Let’s just pass the CR and put Obamacare off for a year” and the Republicans will jump on it.

huckleberryfriend on September 24, 2013 at 10:54 AM

1) The Republicans must provide the necessary leadership to change the polls, not govern based on them. That’s what Democrats do.

huckleberryfriend on September 24, 2013 at 10:54 AM

That’s the crux of it…

Gohawgs on September 24, 2013 at 10:57 AM

The only thing these polls confirm for me, is what segment most HA blogger fall into: White men without a college degree.

So much makes sense now…

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 24, 2013 at 10:57 AM

These polls are bogus and unless you know the questions and how they were asked, they mean nothing. People need to know(and they don’t) that their checks will still be coming. It’s not the Republicans shutting down the government it would be the ever tolerant and mature, wise Democrats. Why aren’t they making the case for that? Throw them all out!

BetseyRoss on September 24, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Cornyn’s office is denying the Brietbart article by Matthew Doyle. They know of no staffer that would say what is sourced anonymously and are standing with Cruz and his tactics.

DanMan on September 24, 2013 at 11:05 AM

PappyD61 on September 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Done!

Clueless Cornyn: Conservative Cruz defeated RINO Dewhurst. Conservative_______ defeats RINO Cornyn. Can’t wait to fill in that blank.

ziggyville on September 24, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Once again, the stupid party loses a messaging war. One of the reasons is because they just refuse to get on the same page. McCOnnell and Cornyn put the screws to Cruz, start spouting off about how bad it is the shutdown the government, when what Cruz was supporting did nothing of the sort.

Now, once again, the Democrats won’t be put on record as supporting a shutdown of the government to fund Obamacare, which should be the rallying cry next election.

I sincerely hope, after the next election, Republicans get some serious leadership in the House and Senate.

bflat879 on September 24, 2013 at 11:11 AM

and even Republicans oppose it 42/51:

YOU weasely spineless worsm, moochers/looters of the dead cow, just like the sozi/commies. YOU deserve utter destruction by obama and in general. I hope you all get punished, in this life.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Welcome to reality, its it’s lonely out here.

libfreeordie on September 24, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Hue doesn’t teach spelling, not even for professors. You’re such a waste on society.

Plus, you should never use “reality” in any conversation. YOU would never recognize it if it hit you in your corrupt azz.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 11:14 AM

The status quo R’s must be really scared of not receiving any more invites to K Street parties…

Btw Ed, the US Senate has not voted on a budget in 5 years unless you consider a CR a budget…

Gohawgs on September 24, 2013 at 10:49 AM

I hate the R worms more than the sozi-commies, incl. those around here. What a bunch of looters/moochers of the same dead national cow. I hope all get punished, in this life.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 11:16 AM

The status quo R’s must be really scared of not receiving any more invites to K Street parties…

Gohawgs on September 24, 2013 at 10:49 AM

That and what Rush said: Congress and staff, republican and democrat on Obamacare: “We got our exemption. “eff” you serfs.”
(paraphrasing of course!)

ziggyville on September 24, 2013 at 11:17 AM

This Poll once again is complete BS.
It does not ask the question. Do you support the possible shutting down of Government Obama is proposing by not negotiating with the Republicans?

Instead is ask do you support the Republican Plan.
Or would you rather they take up this question separately.

Well that second option is not on the Table. Only the first one is. By offering it once again you are making out like Obama is willing to negotiate what that is simply not the case.

These polls are pure Propaganda not serious.

Steveangell on September 24, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Plan A: Defund. All for it.

Plan B: Give the enemy what they want in a way they cannot accept it:

As Ulysses Grant observed: “I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution.”

Surely if Democrats love Obamacare they will strip out waivers, exemptions and all power of the President to pick and choose what to do and not to do with the law. Put a 10 year penalty on anyone in the chain of command who tries it. And with any hiccup, any problem in execution, any minor glitch the entire law is suspended until the Executive Branch can come back and tell Congress what the problems are with the law.

Apply Obamacare with no masks, no nicities, fully with the provisos for full implementation as given, no exceptions and all waivers nullified and no new ones coming and let the Executive show just how good it is at executing the law that this President signed on to and wanted. If it can’t be done the entire thing is suspended, all funding is suspended and at the beginning of the next FY reverts to the Treasury with all positions dissolved. No enforcement of any part of the law could be done until the entire thing, top to bottom, with all parts and add-ons, is shown to have a feasible and workable plan from the Executive for Congress to vote on.

That makes simple defunding look like the sweet and nice option.

And at that point no one could gainsay that Congresscritters weren’t serious about removing favoritism from the law’s execution and wants it done JUST as the bill describes. You know, the ‘trainwreck’ option.

That is Option B: trainwreck and then close down that rail spur until someone can show a way it can work as this canyon just can’t be crossed. When the enemy holds ground that isn’t easily taken, then let them keep it and cut it off some other way. Amazing what happens when the lines of supply get cut off…and if that is where the Democratic Party wishes to be, then so be it. Give them what they want in a way that they can’t accept nor that they can refuse. Their choice: do you support the law as written or not?

Bad laws make hard choices. Give Democrats and RINO’s a hard choice to make.

Defund, first.

Point out that it is nicer than Option B which will be coming their way.

Option C is the right way to fund government: department by department, agency by agency. Fund everything except those parts of the government necessary to enforce Obamacare. Put this fight being over the IRS and HHS and see what great supporters the IRS has.

Defund.

Poison.

Excise.

One of these will do it, if there are any guts amongst those supporting defunding as it defines what comes next with more Stupid Reid and Obama tricks. And the last is just simple bills that Reid will be saying that he just loves the IRS as it is, as well as HHS if he tries to gut and replace and the House says ‘just vote up or down, we will trust the American People to send what they think government needs to run to the Treasury on 15 APR and will not penalize for late payments or allow any penalties in this instance’. Who knows this might just get rid of Obamacare and the IRS, both… too bad it is Option C.

ajacksonian on September 24, 2013 at 7:57 AM

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 11:23 AM

I’m thinking this is a solid strategy. Here’s why:

1) We all know Obamacare will be and unmitigated disaster, so the Republicans have to make a stand that says, “We attempted to stop this on many occasions.” The House did what was needed. McConnel should have stood with Cruz and Lee for a look of a united front, but ultimately Reid will strip the defunding language and play chicken with a government shut down.

2) House Republicans relent on the 11th hour. Obamacare isn’t defunded. Government stays open. Democrats get their wish. However, the Republicans are still the only party attempting to stop this monstrosity.

3) Obamacare rolls into effect. Disaster ensues. New Recession starts Q2 of 2014, complete with the utter chaos of the Obamacare clusterfark. Republicans can say they tried to stop it, and the Democrats who voted for it will have to own their disaster.

4) With a majority in the House and Senate, Republicans can seriously start stripping Obamacare. And if Obama battles it, it ruins their chances in 2016. Then it can be killed directly through legislation.

Of course, all this depends upon the GOP running smartly against the Democrats and getting reasonable candidates.

Nethicus on September 24, 2013 at 11:26 AM

This Poll once again is complete BS.

so ed and allah are depending on flawed polls to support their flawed opinions…..nice…real nice.

et tu, ed and allah?

gracie on September 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Please tweet @johncornyn and @mithchmcconnell and let them know their re-election bids depend on support for Lee-Cruz filibuster.

paulsur on September 24, 2013 at 11:31 AM

i think we should try every way we can to puch holes in obamacare to sink it asap…..a multipronged attack, popular or not.

letting this disaster unfold so we can tell everybody we told them so after they are ruined by it is like letting your kids play in the street so they’ll find out how bad it hurts when they get hit by a car…..the most deadly of all “i told you so’s”.

gracie on September 24, 2013 at 11:35 AM

so ed and allah are depending on flawed polls to support their flawed opinions…..nice…real nice.

et tu, ed and allah?

gracie on September 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Do you know whom Ed and Allah would vote for if the candidates were Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton in 2016?

Neither do I.

bw222 on September 24, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Please tweet @johncornyn and @mithchmcconnell and let them know their re-election bids depend on support for Lee-Cruz filibuster.

paulsur on September 24, 2013 at 11:31 AM

i don’t tweet but i’ll call their offices….

gracie on September 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Do you know whom Ed and Allah would vote for if the candidates were Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton in 2016?

Neither do I.

bw222 on September 24, 2013 at 11:36 AM

yes. i’m betting they don’t vote for alpha males.

gracie on September 24, 2013 at 11:39 AM

The only thing these polls confirm for me, is what segment most HA blogger fall into: White men without a college degree.

So much makes sense now…

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 24, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Are we supposed to believe you went to college? You write below a 3rd grade level with your horrendous sentence structure and poor use of punctuation. Look at your own comment you illiterate retard. Take out the comma entirely, that is the incorrect use of a colon, “blogger” should be plural, “white” should not be capitalized and segment is not used to describe people. Then you top it off with “So much makes sense now” when you can type 3 sentences that make sense. FAIL.

Buttercup on September 24, 2013 at 11:49 AM

The only thing these polls confirm for me, is what segment most HA blogger fall into: White men without a college degree.

So much makes sense now…

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 24, 2013 at 10:57 AM

??? huh ??? nevermind

gracie on September 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM

White men without a college degree.

and another thing, beautiful, these are the guys working for a living and paying the bills…and even if HA bloggers were, so what?

gracie on September 24, 2013 at 11:52 AM

These polls are bogus and unless you know the questions and how they were asked, they mean nothing. People need to know(and they don’t) that their checks will still be coming. It’s not the Republicans shutting down the government it would be the ever tolerant and mature, wise Democrats. Why aren’t they making the case for that? Throw them all out!

BetseyRoss on September 24, 2013 at 10:58 AM

You are rationalizing – these polls are not bogus. The polls measure *perception*, the impressions of those polled, not the detailed knowledge and understanding that people may/may-not have…

And *perception* as they say, is reality – most especially in politics. The Democrats understand that fact of life and change and manipulate said perceptions. The GOP thinks people “just know”. Well… most people don’t “just know” they need someone to tell them what to think. Like it or not, such is the political state of America.

As an issue, the Democrats created the perception that the Obamacare crap-sandwich is really fine cuisine – and it’s free! Now, the GOP dumps a metric ton of fresh raw crap on the crap-sandwich, calls it “Fresh Raw Crap” and wonders why people don’t “just see” the crap-sandwich.

The fatal flaw of ‘shut down govt to defund ACA’ plan is that it *creates* a brand new, gigantic, red-meat issue for the Democrats to use against the GOP. So instead of being on the defensive about ACA, the Democrats and their wholly-own media will be on the offensive with an issue created by the GOP….

If the govt is shut down – or even if this drags on for some time – the new issue will carry the Democrats through 2014 all the way to when Hillary is sworn in 2017.

DrDeano on September 24, 2013 at 11:56 AM

What we should be aiming for is an obtainable goal – namely EXEMPT CHRISTIAN BUSINESSES FROM THE MANDATES. Trying to stop the whole thing is an unobtainable goal, because Republicans only control one house of government. It is better to reach an obtainable goal than to charge into the machine gun fire like the British at The Somme.

There are already religious exemptions from Obamacare (if you are Moslem or Amish). We would be just be expanding the exemptions somewhat.

Those of us with any degree of economic sense know that Obamacare will cause economic devastation. If we were to “save” the Christian segment of the business community from the economic calamity, it would demonstrate to even the most obtuse liberal that Obamacare is a bad plan.

Seeing their enemies prosper economically, while the rest of the economy dies, will force the liberals to junk Obamacare. There is no other option for repeal.

SubmarineDoc on September 24, 2013 at 11:57 AM

This Poll once again is complete BS…
These polls are pure Propaganda not serious.

Steveangell on September 24, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Completely right. What else that’s BS is planning or predicting a strategy according to polls. What Cruz is doing is shocking the system and no contemporaneous poll is going to begin to tell how that will shake out.

rrpjr on September 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM

No matter what Cruz’a actual strategy is, what he has done is focus more people on healthcare at a time when they are being forced to see what Obamacare means to them.

We have six months now to lock ourselves in to what ever plan we are going to have for a while, and everyone’s insurance is changing.

Those who have been going along to get along will have to at least notice the letters they are getting and most are going to get nasty little surprises in the form of the government making a choice for them about an issue they thought was already settled.

I think it is not a bad thing to make sure people know that it is a completely Democrat program that is making them pay more and wade through insurance information… which is the worst!

petunia on September 24, 2013 at 12:08 PM

My insurance now charges per child so keeping your 26 year old costs $200 or so a month, or 2400 a year.

But also, my 14 year old and my 18 year old cost too. I’m not sure it is $200 each per month… wading through that is torture… but it is not a family plan in the way it used to be.

This information alone will make some heads explode.

Has anyone else found this to be true or not true… about kids?

petunia on September 24, 2013 at 12:12 PM

The only thing these polls confirm for me, is what segment most HA blogger fall into: White men without a college degree.

So much makes sense now…

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 24, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Proving again that you are an incredible gnat-brain.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 12:22 PM

No matter what Cruz’a actual strategy is, what he has done is focus more people on healthcare at a time when they are being forced to see what Obamacare means to them.

I think it is not a bad thing to make sure people know that it is a completely Democrat program that is making them pay more and wade through insurance information… which is the worst!
petunia on September 24, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Well said, Petunia! You have always been a great asset to this site. I have missed trading your comments.

I totally agree that this fight is putting the spotlight on Obamacare and reminding people how unpopular it is as people discover how their insurance is changing.

I’m just glad to see a Republican elected official out there fighting and not giving up, for once!

bluegill on September 24, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Trading= reading

bluegill on September 24, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Had we fought for delaying language rather than defunding, we might have been in a somewhat better negotiating position right now.

Pretty clear that R’s are going to block anything that attempts to stop obamacare, let’s look at some history shall we? Republican Chief Justice bends over backwards to make obamacare the law of the land, Republican party nominates the one guy in the country who can’t attack obmacare, because he implemented it in his own state, to run against obama in 2012 and now republicans won’t defund obmacare because those gosh darn senate rules just won’t let them. But they really, really want to get rid of obamacare, they promise, pinky swear.

clearbluesky on September 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM

The only thing these polls confirm for me, is what segment most HA blogger fall into: White men without a college degree.

So much makes sense now…

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 24, 2013 at 10:57 AM

TheRacecard. Bigot.

smoothsailing on September 24, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Welcome to reality, its lonely out here.

libfreeordie on September 24, 2013 at 9:50 AM

I suppose that you did absolutely nothing about Jim Crow, bans on miscegenation, prohibitions on SSM, DADT and DOMA because…

…THEY WERE THE LAW or something.

On the other hand, you needed Chief Justice rewrite the Obamacare legislation 19 times replacing the word ‘penalty’ with ‘tax’ – EVEN THOUGH DEMOCRATS HAD ORIGINALLY LABELLED THEM TAX BEFORE CONSCIOUSLY RE-LABELLING THEM AS ‘TAXES,’ WHICH WAS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE IT CONSTITUTIONAL.

Have you abandoned your fight against the Citizens United ruling? After all, IT. IS. THE. LAW.

BTW, your work claiming that SesquesterSquatch ate the vetting process at the WNY:

Old & Busted:

Obama advisor: Hagel will bring “huge cuts” to the military

THIS IS AWESOME. CUT THE BEAST!

– libfreeordie on January 9, 2013 at 2:12 AM

New Hotness:

Thanks sequester!

– libfreeordie on September 17, 2013 at 10:06 AM

For the sake of argument, let’s assume that SequesterSquatch, somehow, somewhere, prevented the Navy from imputing his probably paranoid schizophrenia into the NICS, which might have stopped him from purchasing his shotgun in Virginia from a dealer – of course, he could have stolen it or purchased it and more on the street which if from where 93% of all guns used in crimes are obtained. I’ll laughably give you that one.

Now, YOU explain how SequesterSquatch play any role in Hassan, Snowden or Manning?

Livenslavedthendie = EPIC FAIL.

Resist We Much on September 24, 2013 at 10:43 AM

‘Law of the Land’!!!

Guess he had to “go make dinner”, or brunch or something.

slickwillie2001 on September 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Please tweet @johncornyn and @mithchmcconnell and let them know their re-election bids depend on support for Lee-Cruz filibuster are over.

paulsur on September 24, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Fixed it for you.

Tenwheeler on September 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM

These jacka$$se couldn’t negotiate their way around a kindergarden playgound, when negotiating with Harry Reid is akin to playing on the I-10 Freeway on Friday afternoon at rush hour………

Tenwheeler on September 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM

The bad side consistently wins. This has been true all my eight decades. Two decades ago the government was mostly shut down. I was ardently in favor of the shut down. I live near DC. Most neighborhoods in this area are full of leftist bureaucrats. My views were not welcome. After several days our side gave up. As soon as we gave up, the bureaucrats who hadn’t been getting paid on their forced vacation got retroactive pay for their vacation. They were pleased.

These polls are ambiguous. For many people, if they a negative response to a proposal that might shut down the government, they are trying to avoid losing the pr war. Some will respond yes with the intention of hurting conservatives

burt on September 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Had we fought for delaying language rather than defunding, we might have been in a somewhat better negotiating position right now.

Agreed..:)

Dire Straits on September 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Hot Air is now skewing issues? Who would have thought? The “poll” is for the average idiot, the question starts off with the inevitability of the dreaded “shutdown”…. Jesus Americans are STOOPID!

dartagnansblade on September 24, 2013 at 1:58 PM

We should be skeptical of these polls, because the clients of the Pollsters are The Ruling Class who are against this showdown over the Obamacare funding

The Poll most likely to be reliable is the Rasmussen Poll on the Govt Shutdown Q from last week. 51% of the Public favor a govt shutdown if that’s what it takes to defund the Obamacare BULLSCHMIDT

The GOPe is the client here and Rasmussen knows that they do not want this defund fight, or to shut the govt down. If he *could* have given better news to Boehner on this Q, he *would* have done so.

IMV, the likely figure favoring govt shutdown could be even higher, but the client of the Pollster doesn’t want to totally DERAIL himself by making the extent of the Public’s ‘agitation’ , angst known.

exodus2011 on September 24, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Resist We Much on September 24, 2013 at 10:43 AM

I meant to h/t smoothsailing for the liveenslavedthendie ‘Cut the beast, etc’ post.

Sorry for my delay. I’ve been away for several hours.

Resist We Much on September 24, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Cruz = Champion for *WE The People*

Patriots! Support support support The #CruzMissile! ~> CSPAN Sen. GOP source says Cruz’s plan is to speak “until he can no longer speak”

exodus2011 on September 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Had we fought for delaying language rather than defunding, we might have been in a somewhat better negotiating position right now.

True. But then Cruz would not be all over Twitter and raking in the bucks and getting all this face time and that is what this is all about.

Terrye on September 24, 2013 at 10:52 PM

I’m thinking this is a solid strategy. Here’s why:

1) We all know Obamacare will be and unmitigated disaster, so the Republicans have to make a stand that says, “We attempted to stop this on many occasions.” The House did what was needed. McConnel should have stood with Cruz and Lee for a look of a united front, but ultimately Reid will strip the defunding language and play chicken with a government shut down.

2) House Republicans relent on the 11th hour. Obamacare isn’t defunded. Government stays open. Democrats get their wish. However, the Republicans are still the only party attempting to stop this monstrosity.

3) Obamacare rolls into effect. Disaster ensues. New Recession starts Q2 of 2014, complete with the utter chaos of the Obamacare clusterfark. Republicans can say they tried to stop it, and the Democrats who voted for it will have to own their disaster.

4) With a majority in the House and Senate, Republicans can seriously start stripping Obamacare. And if Obama battles it, it ruins their chances in 2016. Then it can be killed directly through legislation.

Of course, all this depends upon the GOP running smartly against the Democrats and getting reasonable candidates.

Nethicus on September 24, 2013 at 11:26 AM

THIS!

mountainaires on September 25, 2013 at 6:07 AM

The Senate’s approach is to give Obama whatever he wants, which will add trillions in new debt before he is out & turn us into a socialist nation that continues to support terrorism run by tyrannical elitists.

F* It! Give ‘em what they want, let the US go to h@LLC & collapse! It’s no more than these idiots who keep solely blaming the GOP & while continuing to support & defend Obama deserve.

In the end the GOP who don’t want to make waves for fear of being blamed & it negatively impacting their precious careers will still be blamed for the collapse….and rightfully so as they have proven to be gutlessness cowards who prefer to avoid confrontation rather than fight for this nation.

easyt65 on September 25, 2013 at 6:49 AM

In an interesting political move, the Republican National Committee (RNC) is fundraising off of Sen. Cruz’s efforts. RNC Chairman Reince Priebus said today, “In a fight between Harry Reid and Ted Cruz, I will stand with Ted Cruz any day.” It is unfortunate that there aren’t more Republican senators with the same wisdom.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/brenner-brief/2013/sep/24/calling-out-gop-who-stands-sen-cruz-defund-obamaca/

mountainaires on September 25, 2013 at 6:57 AM

I support Sen Cruz. Ed is completely wrong. It’s not the first time either. When will GOP cowards see that the people of this country want someone to stand up for them? They oppose this law; they will oppose his law even more as time foes on. Who will they remember as having the guts to fight for them? Ted Cruz. Who will they respect for standing up for them? Ted Cruz.

Pity the GOP cannot see that the GOP helps themselves by standing up for them, instead of scurrying to their dark corners like RATS hiding from the light! Shame on you, Ed, for carrying the water for these COWARDS!

Hey, they’ve for their carve out, who gives a shite!

Pathetic, Ed.

mountainaires on September 25, 2013 at 7:07 AM

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