Mitch McConnell: Ted Cruz’s filibuster would shut down the government and keep ObamaCare funded; Update: Cruz to launch “talking filibuster” at 2:30

posted at 2:01 pm on September 24, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Roll Call, if the House defunding bill can’t pass the Senate then obviously the money appropriated for ObamaCare will continue to flow. And a filibuster would, of course, prevent it from passing the Senate. Alternate headline: “Who’s the RINO now?”

He’s playing his strongest card here, namely, the fact that the filibuster would spare weak red-state Democrats like Pryor and Landrieu from having to take a tough vote on defunding ObamaCare. If Cruz and Lee convince Republicans to filibuster the House bill, then Pryor can vote for cloture while claiming, just like McConnell, that he’s voting to defund. That protects him back home with conservative voters while ensuring that there are no bad consequences to his vote for Democrats; the bill will have been filibustered, after all, so Pryor’s vote is meaningless. Without the filibuster, though, Pryor will have to vote on Reid’s amendment stripping the “defund” language from the House bill. That vote will split on party lines and Reid can only afford to lose three Democrats from his caucus to get to a simple majority of 51. That means one or more red-state Dems who are up for reelection next year — Pryor, Landrieu, Hagan, Begich, and so on — will have to bite the bullet and vote yes, then go home and explain why to angry conservatives. Who wants to volunteer?

McConnell’s message, in other words, is that a vote on Reid’s amendment is a do-over for Democrats on ObamaCare. If red-state Dems have concerns about the law, now’s their chance to vote with the GOP on defunding it. That talking point does, at least, have the virtue of turning up the heat on the other party instead of turning it up on one’s own. And yet, I’m still surprised that McConnell volunteered to be a pinata for grassroots conservatives by taking the lead on this instead of voting with Cruz in an ultimately futile filibuster bid. As I write this, the Senate Conservatives Fund PAC founded by Jim DeMint is leading with a post about him (and Cornyn) titled, “The Ultimate Betrayal.” He’s going to be the lightning rod for a backlash in the primary now. Why not let McCain or, better yet, someone with conservative cred like Tom Coburn make the case against filibustering?

Oh well. Reid boasted earlier today that there will be no filibuster, which is true. Now that McConnell and Cornyn have nixed it, the question isn’t whether Cruz and Lee can marshal 41 votes, the question is how few they’ll end up with. Rubio, who needs to rebuild his own cred, is with them, but Lindsey Graham apparently went so far as to say that he’ll vote for cloture in the name of avoiding a shutdown even after Reid strips out the defunding language from the House CR(!). Sure are a lot of emboldened RINOs out there right now. Maybe they’re calculating that the PR damage to the party in the wake of a shutdown would actually be more dangerous to them in the general election than a conservative insurgency would be to them in a primary. If so, that’s … a lot of PR damage.

Per Gabe Malor, looks like Boehner will have a single day — Sunday — to decide what to do about defunding before a shutdown occurs, assuming Reid’s schedule in the Senate proceeds as everyone expects. Exit question: Will the House move this week to pass something new before the Senate’s done killing their current bill?

Update: Betsy Woodruff of NRO posted this at around 2:10 ET:

They don’t have 41 to block the House CR but Cruz can seize the opportunity to launch a broadside against ObamaCare on the floor a la Rand Paul’s epic attack on drone policy this spring. Might want to turn on C-SPAN 2 right now if you’re near a TV (or click here). As for how long he’s planning to speak:

Update: To clarify: This isn’t a true filibuster in the sense that it’s designed to stop the Senate from voting tomorrow on the House CR. As I understand it, because that vote is already set, it’ll happen regardless of how long Cruz talks.

Update: More from Woodruff:


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“Our constituents are our boss”, go figure.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:22 PM

I just sent a hot email to Mr. Burr here in NC. I told him my wife and I looked forward to seeing him primaried out of office if he fails to support Mr. Cruz in defunding ObamaCare.

Turtle317 on September 24, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Someone wake McAmnesty up and tell him that this is what a Leader looks like.

kingsjester on September 24, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Just whisper 5,4,3,2,1 in his ear. He’ll wake up.

rik on September 24, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Imagine obama speaking like this.

The fools must be envious.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Move it up for the election. Go CRUZ GO!

Midwestprincesse on September 24, 2013 at 4:26 PM

C-span also has closed caption you can turn on underneath the video stream.

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Senate-Debates-Continuing-Resolution-to-Fund-Govt/10737441638-1/

INC on September 24, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Dodd-Frank hammer community!

Great line.

INC on September 24, 2013 at 4:27 PM

America has always been about theatrics…

That was what the original Tea Party was all about. All the RINOs would have been against that as well. They would have said it won’t work, the British will kick our ass, we need to send another letter to the King to make him understand us, dressing up as Mohawks is provocative, blah, blah, blah…

William Eaton on September 24, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Rubio, who needs to rebuild his own cred is lying as always

fify

kunegetikos on September 24, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Unions will be exempted.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM

This is impressive. He’s been on topic the whole time. He’s killing it on the congressional exemptions. It’s hilarious that they are getting an exemption. It’s 3rd world.

BoxHead1 on September 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM

William Eaton on September 24, 2013 at 4:27 PM

:)

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Cruz is calling out all of the douchebags in DC.

LOVING IT.

portlandon on September 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Thank you Texas.

dirtseller on September 24, 2013 at 4:29 PM

If your strategy is flawed you might as well make a campaign speech I guess.

alchemist19 on September 24, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Note how Sen. Cruz enjoys having all the “forces” against him :)

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Heh, you “the little people”, you sheepleton of the land.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM

As I wrote on another thread:

Recall how this EpicClusterFarkNado passed.

In the House, the Speaker had to browbeat dozens of her own caucus to support the bill – even lying to some in order to gather their votes because she knew that every single GOP House member would oppose the bill. And oppose they did, even though the Democrats held a significant majority in the House – a majority that held up even though 34 Democrats voted against the EpicClusterFarkNado.

In the Senate, the Majority Leader had to resort to invoking reconciliation in order to bypass a cloture vote that even his near super-majority (59 Democrats) could not win because every single of the 41 GOP Senators would vote against cloture to prevent this EpicClusterFarkNado from getting a final vote on the Senate floor.

In the Spring of 2010 – the GOP had no chance of defeating this EpicClusterFarkNado simply because of the numbers that resulted from the 2008 election. They knew that this EpicClusterFarkNado would be signed into law – despite it’s known faults and concerns over the amount of damage it would do to the already heavily damaged national economy. Once reconciliation was invoked, the passage of the bill was a ‘fait accompli’.

Yet they still fought and stayed consistent to their principles and voted against a bill that put 1/6th of the national economy under federal government control and would damage tens of millions of Americans.

Here we are 3 years later, on the cusp of the official effective date of such an EpicClusterFarkNado that the Democrats had to give it 3 years to take effect in order to not have this disaster weaken the President’s re-election efforts, and after the SCOTUS determined the individual mandate was a ‘tax’, we have the RINO’s of the GOP not being willing to stand on any conservative or core American principles and just surrender because the odds of winning are so remote.

If they aren’t willing to stand on principles, then they don’t have any principles.

ACA is an EpicClusterFarkNado that will severely damage the nation in multiple ways. It is something that is not designed to fix any problems, but invoke ‘fundamental change’ and move this country from a government accountable and responsible to the people to one where the people are accountable and responsible to the government.

It needs to be fought at each and every chance, even if it is hard to do, and the odds of success are long. The GOP has to establish itself as the anti-EpicClusterFarkNado party – so the voters know who to go to when they want to repeal this disaster.

But the GOP establishment / RINO’s aren’t interested in that. They want to go along to get along.

That’s why the GOP is hurting….and why the Tea Party is resonating.

The GOP shouldn’t be like France in June 1940 – it should be like the Churchill-led Britain of June 1940.

Athos on September 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM

kunegetikos on September 24, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Better a lying man when we need him than an honest one when we don’t.

Benedict Arnold was a bad man who betrayed this nation, but at Saratoga he was a sight to see.

William Eaton on September 24, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Cruz is calling out all of the douchebags in DC.

LOVING IT.

portlandon on September 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Good day to be a US American.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:32 PM

So basically, McConnell is playing politics instead of helping Cruz and Lee get rid of Obamacare. No surprise there. He would rather stick it to a Dem in the next election than join in a last ditch effort to get rid of the monstrosity.

Once this thing is funded, there is no going back. Laws in DC are NEVER repealed.

Common Sense on September 24, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Cruz will lose this defund Obamacare battle but will win the battle for the base… Smart politics… After today Cruz will become the top leader of the conservative base…

mnjg on September 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Cruz will lose this defund Obamacare battle but will win the battle for the base… Smart politics… After today Cruz will become the top leader of the conservative base…

mnjg on September 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM

…and countless videos with rats in them will abound…

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM

He’s killing it on the congressional exemptions. It’s hilarious that they are getting an exemption. It’s 3rd world.

BoxHead1 on September 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Agreed. The position is completely indefensible. Nowhere to hide.

rrpjr on September 24, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Sen. Cruz is covering all bases. So excellent and much needed!! By doing this, many more people will see it all over the Internet too.

bluefox on September 24, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM

RINOs (c. 1858)

“Lincoln’s career is over, Done! Told everyone those debates were useless and a waste of time. Douglass kicked his ass and won! That is what you get when you mess with the establishment…”

William Eaton on September 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Cruz will lose this defund Obamacare battle but will win the battle for the base… Smart politics… After today Cruz will become the top leader of the conservative base…

mnjg on September 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM

I agree here. If McConnell and Boehner wanted him Palinized they should have let the MSM destroy him while pretending to be sad about it. Instead they went after him openly and it looks like they might have turned him into a hero.

Doomberg on September 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Hah, reversed eng. Spanish to English…got to love it.

His dad is a mathematician and scientist, turned pastor.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM

God, thank you for days like today.

These anecdotes are to die for.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM

go Cruz. Call your senators now and say you stand with Cruz and they better too.

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I agree here. If McConnell and Boehner wanted him Palinized they should have let the MSM destroy him while pretending to be sad about it. Instead they went after him openly and it looks like they might have turned him into a hero.

Doomberg on September 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM

It is much harder to “Palinize” Cruz… Palinization works only on some but not everybody…

mnjg on September 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Hah, reversed eng. Spanish to English…got to love it.

His dad is a mathematician and scientist, turned pastor.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM

A HA commenter said earlier that Ted’s Dad should run against Cornyn and I agree. He is a great speaker!!!

bluefox on September 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

“Better a lying man when we need him”

William Eaton on September 24, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Rubio plays to the base only and always when it doesn’t count. When it counts, he sells out.

What are you claiming was his Saratoga?

kunegetikos on September 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

agree here. If McConnell and Boehner wanted him Palinized they should have let the MSM destroy him while pretending to be sad about it. Instead they went after him openly and it looks like they might have turned him into a hero.

Doomberg on September 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM

problem is they didn’t pretend to be sad about attacking Palin like with Cruz they piled on with Palin. It’s just now having been there done that the base is starting to understand their tactics.

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Doomberg on September 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM

He savors the opposition, from both sides. They found their ‘match’ and then some. This is one of the smartest man around. That the left/right fear him is marvelous.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:45 PM

what…his father was an IBMer???

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 24, 2013 at 4:47 PM

A HA commenter said earlier that Ted’s Dad should run against Cornyn and I agree. He is a great speaker!!!

bluefox on September 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

He’ll help his son instead…actually his country, in a big way.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

These anecdotes are to die live for.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Surely, this is what you really meant.

gh on September 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

what…his father was an IBMer???

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 24, 2013 at 4:47 PM

So?

bluefox on September 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

It is much harder to “Palinize” Cruz… Palinization works only on some but not everybody…

mnjg on September 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM

wrong. they just haven’t gone after Ted with 1/100th of what they did with Palin. If Cruz continues to gain traction watch the long knives come out for Cruz just like they did for Palin. It was never about the “person” it was always about the “Message” those people bring to the table.

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

That book is big…and it’s just a tickler :)

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

kunegetikos on September 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Rubio made a mistake that may cost him his obvious ambition.

I am happy to have a fourth musketeer in the fight.

gh on September 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Surely, this is what you really meant.

gh on September 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Doesn’t matter. This is so good that either is worth it :)

Rats/worms of the land, look good – this is a real leader/man.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

wrong. they just haven’t gone after Ted with 1/100th of what they did with Palin. If Cruz continues to gain traction watch the long knives come out for Cruz just like they did for Palin. It was never about the “person” it was always about the “Message” those people bring to the table.

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

If I were one of those people, I would remember that Mr. Cruz is from Texas, and there is truth to the old proverb -

Never bring a knife to a gunfight.

Turtle317 on September 24, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Look what happened to the ‘leader’ of the USA.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Palin had several weaknesses that Cruz does not have. Moreover, she and Levin are behind him. It will take a lot more to eliminate Cruz than it did to get Palin.

gh on September 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Good stats and personalization on how Obamacare is hurting the economy.

INC on September 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Per Gabe Malor, looks like Boehner will have a single day — Sunday — to decide what to do

Don’t be so intentionally obtuse. This all was scripted long before Boehnor and his toady Cantor let it out of the House. Boehner doesn’t have to DECIDE anything – that’s long since done. He will simply have a day before he has to REVEAL the treachery.

bofh on September 24, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Call Senator Chambliss……Senate Diva that needs to be forced to join Cruz and Lee.

Macon, GA 31201
Phone: (478)741-1417

Atlanta Office
Phone: (770)763-9090

Moultrie, GA 31776
Phone: (229)985-2112

PappyD61 on September 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM

problem is they didn’t pretend to be sad about attacking Palin like with Cruz they piled on with Palin. It’s just now having been there done that the base is starting to understand their tactics.

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I don’t entirely agree. There were some attacks, but they were generally through anonymous leaks and allowing her to twist in the wind when the media successfully blamed her for the Tucson shootings. You did not have situations like you do now, with McConnell allowing it to be known and widely reported that he was going for Cruz’s throat, and plotting to discredit him.

I think if they’d followed the same strategy and let the Democrats do the brunt of the attacking and then saying “We really love Ted Cruz, he’s the best, but he’s just too tainted by the media to support” they would have been more successful Palinizing him. Instead there is the possibility the current strategy will generate some blowback and make Cruz a hero instead.

Might also encourage further desertion of the party by the remaining conservative base as well.

Doomberg on September 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Palin had several weaknesses that Cruz does not have. Moreover, she and Levin are behind him. It will take a lot more to eliminate Cruz than it did to get Palin.

gh on September 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

wrong again. Palin’s record was spotless. the “weaknesses” were the made up crap attacks from the left and the moderates that people believed. Thinking Cruz will fare better under the assault is living in the land of unicorns. I hope it happens but I’m enough of a realist to know that if the people believed the crap about Palin they will just as likely believe the made up crap that Cruz’s enemies will throw at him.

right now Cruz is still a blank slate to most people. By the time the elite gets done with cruz his name will be mud to 50% of the population when that happens I wonder if people will still support him or if they will say he is damaged goods…….

the only hope conservatives have is to have many conservatives on the stage at the same time so that the opposition can not single one out for destruction.

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

The woman is an obama’care’ fool. She has to work today, and hates it.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 5:04 PM

You did not have situations like you do now, with McConnell allowing it to be known and widely reported that he was going for Cruz’s throat, and plotting to discredit him.

Doomberg on September 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM

???? you had Rove, Chenney, and the Bush family all saying their top priority was to stop Palin.

Face it. they are following the same play book they did with Palin and will most likely have the same results. hope not but most likely will happen

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 5:05 PM

wrong. they just haven’t gone after Ted with 1/100th of what they did with Palin. If Cruz continues to gain traction watch the long knives come out for Cruz just like they did for Palin. It was never about the “person” it was always about the “Message” those people bring to the table.

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Palinization = Making your opponent looks stupid…

This is an impossibility with Cruz…

mnjg on September 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

No not wrong.

Palin is a woman, she has no advanced degree, Alaska, she sounds like the chillbilly she is. All these things matter. Finally, she did not run in 2012. That was her time.

Palin was as much “a blank slate” in 2008. Cruz has got more than 3 years to change that and he is doing it now. I do not fault her for taking the opportunity that was presented by McCain in 2008. It has done much good.

gh on September 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM

This is an impossibility with Cruz…

mnjg on September 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Nothing is “impossible” and Cruz by himself is not enough. But he’s a damn good start.

gh on September 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

First Sowell gets excommunicated, now Rand Paul will be too.

eva3071 on September 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Oh, the poor Rodeo Clown media. What to do, what to do. Cover Cruz’s epic speech to cover up the Rodeo Clown having his narcissistic face once more shoved into the playground dirt by one of the world’s tyrants? Or ignore Cruz and risk having little Barry’s ass-kicking at the hands of the Iranians today bubble up to the top of the news cycle. What to do, what to do…

Rational Thought on September 24, 2013 at 5:12 PM

So basically, McConnell is playing politics instead of helping Cruz and Lee get rid of Obamacare. No surprise there. He would rather stick it to a Dem in the next election than join in a last ditch effort to get rid of the monstrosity.

Once this thing is funded, there is no going back. Laws in DC are NEVER repealed.

Common Sense on September 24, 2013 at 4:32 PM

No, No, No, you just don’t understand how the smartest guys in the Republican party will handle this. See, first you don’t fight Obama on multiple debt ceilings, then you don’t fight Obama on defunding Obamacare, but THEN you wait until you can fight Obama on yet ANOTHER debt ceiling. I think that’s how it works.

What I, as an “average citizen”, don’t understand (because I’m so average) is that if ALL the world leader can roll Obama, why can’t the Republicans?

dirtseller on September 24, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Read all of it, not just the excerpt.

http://www.redstate.com/2013/09/24/a-cruz-missile-launch-like-a-light-shows-the-cockroaches-scurrying/

Erickson nails it.

INC on September 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM

As is his wont, Erick misses a couple things. Erick says Cruz’s stated strategy would never work in and of itself because it requires “stronger, braver souls than the GOP currently has to offer.” This is wrong. It requires more souls than the GOP currently has to offer, as in more voters. Obamacare would be funded even if right now we had 45 Senators all the equal of Cruz and Lee.

alchemist19 on September 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Palinization = Making your opponent looks stupid…

This is an impossibility with Cruz…

mnjg on September 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

liberals believe if you are a conservative you are stupid. therefore to make a conservative look stupid to a liberal they simply tar them as a conservative. It’s easy to make someone look stupid take a couple sentences out of context, get a few “pictures” at the wrong time….have a few SNL skits about them. Hell they made Reagan and Mitt look stupid. They made Bush SR and Bush the second look like idiots at times…. If you don’t see how liberals work you aren’t paying attention. It was never a “palin” problem…it was always a GOP moderate problem for not supporting a candidate once the liberals attacked. Cruz will face the same problems because the weaklings within the GOP moderates would rather “get along to go along” then be seen as “out of touch” or supporting those stupid conservatives….

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

First Sowell gets excommunicated, now Rand Paul will be too.

eva3071 on September 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Is there sheet music for violin accompaniment?

squint on September 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Read all of it, not just the excerpt.

http://www.redstate.com/2013/09/24/a-cruz-missile-launch-like-a-light-shows-the-cockroaches-scurrying/

Erickson nails it.

INC on September 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM

As is his wont, Erick misses a couple things. Erick says Cruz’s stated strategy would never work in and of itself because it requires “stronger, braver souls than the GOP currently has to offer.” This is wrong. It requires more souls than the GOP currently has to offer, as in more voters. Obamacare would be funded even if right now we had 45 Senators all the equal of Cruz and Lee.

alchemist19 on September 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

yup

rob verdi on September 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Rational Thought on September 24, 2013 at 5:12 PM

OMG SQUIRREL!!!

gh on September 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

You know what comes through with Cruz, loud and clear? He loves this country. Not just the people but the idea of America. You cannot fake that, and it resonates with people.

txmomof6 on September 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Palin is a woman, she has no advanced degree, Alaska, she sounds like the chillbilly she is. All these things matter. Finally, she did not run in 2012. That was her time.

Palin was as much “a blank slate” in 2008. Cruz has got more than 3 years to change that and he is doing it now. I do not fault her for taking the opportunity that was presented by McCain in 2008. It has done much good.

gh on September 24, 2013 at 5:08

Funny what you place first as a negative. I guess you have a problem with women? the rest of your negatives is the false crap I’m talking about. I’m not getting in a discussion about Palin vs cruz I happen to like both. but your post is crap. A chillbilly? really? thanks for proving my point. If a “Cruz supporter” a conservative can call Palin a chillbilly and say her being a woman is a negative with a straight face and not see a problem with that then Cruz has no chance whatsoever.

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM

I can see why Cruz was a debate champion. Man. He is whuppin’ up on the worlds greatest deliberative body something fierce.

txmomof6 on September 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

So basically, McConnell is playing politics instead of helping Cruz and Lee get rid of Obamacare. No surprise there. He would rather stick it to a Dem in the next election than join in a last ditch effort to get rid of the monstrosity.

Once this thing is funded, there is no going back. Laws in DC are NEVER repealed.

Common Sense on September 24, 2013 at 4:32 PM

McConnell is very savvy to play politics here, and he’s the one we should all be applauding right now. As I said before, what we really need more souls, and one of the easiest ways to do that is by alienating Democrat senators representing red states from their constituencies by making them cast unpopular votes. McConnell is trying to force them to do that, which is FAR better for conservatives in the long run. Cruz is trying to save those Democrats from it just so he can establish a reputation as someone who is willing to stand up to the power that be and gambling, probably correctly, that people won’t follow the details closely enough to see how cynically he’s behaving in this case. I’m not really faulting Cruz for it; he’s a super smart guy and his strategy seems to be working brilliantly so far, I just see it for what it is.

alchemist19 on September 24, 2013 at 5:24 PM

This is wrong. It requires more souls than the GOP currently has to offer, as in more voters. Obamacare would be funded even if right now we had 45 Senators all the equal of Cruz and Lee.

alchemist19 on September 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

see I don’t get that. Does no one think that at risk dems in red states will vote to defund obamacare? Or does everyone think those dems will fall on their swords to ensure a failed law that the vast majority of America hates gets funded? It’s like those that attack the strategy forget that the dems will also use their personal future as a senator as the threshold to vote for or against Obamacare…

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM

I don’t have anything against women but the fact that Palin is a woman was used against her. I am ignoring the rest …

… but. Since you cannot retain the fact that I am as strong a Palin supporter as anyone who comment here except mindless fanatics tells me that I am wasting my time responding to you.

gh on September 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

CRUZ IS AWESOME

John the Libertarian on September 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

In next year’s election, I’m going to take great pleasure voting against every single (R) on the ballot that rolled over and did nothing, NOTHING to stop ObamaCare from being implemented. McConnell and the rest of the establishment Repubes are just as culpable as Obama and the Dimocrats for forcing this disaster onto America.

And once implemented, it will be here FOREVER. It won’t be repealed. No massive entitlement ever has. ObamaCare will be no different.

I can’t wait to vote against every single one of them. My disdain for McConnell and the rest of them has now eclipsed that of the Dimocrats. Good luck in the mid-terms next year Repukes.

Meople on September 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

I can see why Cruz was a debate champion. Man. He is whuppin’ up on the worlds greatest deliberative body something fierce.

txmomof6 on September 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

he is doing a great job. I hope he breaks the record. the longer he talks the more support the defund side gathers…

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM

It’s about time Rand!!!

bluefox on September 24, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Rand Paul taking the floor?

watertown on September 24, 2013 at 5:27 PM

GO RAND GO

John the Libertarian on September 24, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Rand ! Pointing out the effect upon the economy, gubmint shutdown.

pambi on September 24, 2013 at 5:28 PM

LOVE the unity Rand! That’s the way it’s done.

Tru2my2 on September 24, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Palin begat Cruz

faraway on September 24, 2013 at 5:30 PM

It must be cool to be in the audience in the senate today.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 5:31 PM

So is there room for compromise? What does that looki like?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 24, 2013 at 5:31 PM

They made Bush SR and Bush the second look like idiots at times…. If you don’t see how liberals work you aren’t paying attention. It was never a “palin” problem…it was always a GOP moderate problem for not supporting a candidate once the liberals attacked. Cruz will face the same problems because the weaklings within the GOP moderates would rather “get along to go along” then be seen as “out of touch” or supporting those stupid conservatives….

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

I agree that there wasn’t a “Palin” problem per se. However, my argument is they may have partially immunized Cruz from further attacks by turning him into a hero like this. The party base is also more aware of these tactics now after 2011 and 2012.

With that said, I am in no way arguing that Cruz could win a run for the presidency. The Republicans have already likely picked their candidate (or will soon) and gotten the “money men” behind him. We just don’t know who it is yet. What I am arguing is that Cruz won’t be forced to virtually leave politics in disgrace like Palin was.

Doomberg on September 24, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Will Dear Leader have these Senators arrested for criticizing him…or will he use the IRS or some other fed agency?

d1carter on September 24, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Palin begat Cruz

faraway on September 24, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Does that mean Levin was the father?

gh on September 24, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Back to Cruz!

watertown on September 24, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Tea Party Revival Meetin’

Stay afterward for some fried chicken and mashed potatoes.

faraway on September 24, 2013 at 5:32 PM

I don’t have anything against women but the fact that Palin is a woman was used against her.
gh on September 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

so the fact cruz is a man will be used against him if Hillary runs. That is what opposition does they use things against you. Like I said this isn’t a Palin or a Cruz thing. those thinking so don’t understand the fight we are in. The problem is those thinking this guy or that guy or gal will be better than that guy or gal. for me as long as the person talks the talk and walks the walk I support him or her. It’s the message that’s important not the person. but people have to understand that or the enemy will continue to destroy the messenger and thereby destroy the message.

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 5:32 PM

So is there room for compromise? What does that looki like?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 24, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Sure, we can have a compromise. The Democrats can agree to give up Obamacare, and in return they get their government funded. Each side gets something tangible it wants.

Doomberg on September 24, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Cruz killed a baby ostrich to make some boots???

faraway on September 24, 2013 at 5:34 PM

These two men are the best orators on our side of the aisle.

John the Libertarian on September 24, 2013 at 5:34 PM

nice of Rand Paul to come on the floor and help Cruz.

Kudos Paul…

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Rand Paul was just on asking a question. What a great reinvigoration of the filibuster.

Dusty on September 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

McConnell is very savvy to play politics here, and he’s the one we should all be applauding right now. As I said before, what we really need more souls, and one of the easiest ways to do that is by alienating Democrat senators representing red states from their constituencies by making them cast unpopular votes. McConnell is trying to force them to do that, which is FAR better for conservatives in the long run. Cruz is trying to save those Democrats from it just so he can establish a reputation as someone who is willing to stand up to the power that be and gambling, probably correctly, that people won’t follow the details closely enough to see how cynically he’s behaving in this case. I’m not really faulting Cruz for it; he’s a super smart guy and his strategy seems to be working brilliantly so far, I just see it for what it is.

alchemist19 on September 24, 2013 at 5:24 PM

No McConnell is simply trying to destroy Cruze and Lee and every other Conservative in the Senate that he and the other establishment Repukes hate.

If McConnell was doing any of this for the betterment of the Party, he and his cronies like McLame and Grahamnesty would be reaching out to and supporting Libertarians and Tea Party Representatives and Senators, along with their supporters instead of deliberately alienating them by attempting to destroy the Conservatives in Congress.

The GOP will see exactly what happens next year when Conservatives, Libertarians and Tea Party voters turn out in mass to vote against every Repuke on the ballot.

Meople on September 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Sure, we can have a compromise. The Democrats can agree to give up Obamacare, and in return they get their government funded. Each side gets something tangible it wants.

Doomberg on September 24, 2013 at 5:33 PM

makes sense.

unseen on September 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

So is there room for compromise? What does that looki like?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 24, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Sure “we should not shut down the gov’t” but not fund obama’care’.

Listen to the taxpayers.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Hes doing a great job pointing out that its not that they want to shut Government. Its them refusing to take the option of funding without obamacare is the reason why.

watertown on September 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Sure, we can have a compromise. The Democrats can agree to give up Obamacare, and in return they get their government funded. Each side gets something tangible it wants.

Doomberg on September 24, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Cruz said he wants to fund the gvt. That’s not compromise

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 24, 2013 at 5:37 PM

So far I’ve seen Cruz, Lee, Vitter, and now Rand Paul. Anybody else that I missed?

Gingotts on September 24, 2013 at 5:37 PM

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