American malls raise alert level after Nairobi attack

posted at 10:41 am on September 24, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

And for good reason, and not just because of copycats.  The Daily Beast’s Miranda Green writes that American retail centers have tightened security and begun reviewing their resources in the wake of a terrorist attack by Somalia terror group al-Shabaab on an upscale Nairobi mall over the last several days:

The Department of Homeland Security is urging shopping malls in the United States to increase security in the aftermath of the carnage wrought by al Qaeda’s Somalia affiliate over the weekend in Nairobi, Kenya.

Malachy Kavanagh, a spokesman for the International Council of Shopping Centers, told The Daily Beast on Monday that the department contacted shopping malls on Sunday to check on the precautions they were taking against mass shooters.

U.S. intelligence officials say there is no specific threat information suggesting al Qaeda is planning a similar kind of mass shooting in American shopping malls. Nonetheless, security experts worry about copycats.

It’s not just the copycats that have American officials worried. Shabaab has successfully recruited dozens of young men from the US, mostly from the Twin Cities and its large Somali ex-pat community here. CBS News reviewed the well-known problem last night, noting that as many as 60 have disappeared over the last few years, and are presumed to be part of the terror group. Their familiarity with the US would make it easy for them to infiltrate to conduct a terrorist attack here, perhaps using the same model as Nairobi or Mumbai:

It’s an ongoing problem, and the FBI and local community have cooperated with each other to try to stop it. That leaves one particular mall as a potential target — the nearby Mall of America, which is the largest in the US and attracts considerable international business:

The Mall of America, the biggest shopping mall in the United States, has already increased security measures in response to the Nairobi mall siege over the weekend.

“Mall of America continues to monitor the tragic events unfolding in Kenya with the help of federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies,” said a spokesman for the mall. “Mall of America has implemented extra security precautions. Some may be noticeable to guests, and others won’t be. We will continue to follow the situation, along with law enforcement, and will remain vigilant as we always do in similar situations.”

The giant shopping mall is in Bloomington, Minnesota, less than 20 minutes from Minneapolis, which boasts a vibrant Somali-American community, from which al Qaeda’s Somalia affiliate, Al-Shabab, has been recruiting heavily.

One possible problem for that mall as a target would be the risk of exposure for the infiltrated Shabaab terrorists. They run a higher risk of being recognized in the Twin Cities than they would in other parts of the country.  As MoA states, though, they can’t run the risk of assuming that will be the case.

One potential step malls might take to beef up the deterrence factor would be to welcome lawfully armed citizens to shop there.  The Daily Mail reported yesterday that one such man in the Nairobi attack managed to save perhaps as many as 100 potential victims of the siege:

A former marine emerged as a hero of the Nairobi siege yesterday after he was credited with saving up to 100 lives.

The ex soldier was having coffee at the Westgate mall when it was attacked by Islamists on Saturday.

With a gun tucked into his waistband, he was pictured helping two women from the complex. …

The former soldier is said to have returned to the building on a dozen occasions, despite intense gunfire.

A friend in Nairobi said: ‘What he did was so heroic. He was having coffee with friends when it happened.

‘He went back in 12 times and saved 100 people. Imagine going back in when you knew what was going on inside.’

Sources said the soldier was in the Royal Marine and now lives in Kenyan. He cannot be named for security reasons.

The Mall of America declared itself a “gun free zone” in response to the expansion of carry permits in Minnesota.  Maybe they should rethink that policy in light of recent events.


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So this is what Al Qaeda on the run looks like.

iceman1960 on September 24, 2013 at 10:45 AM

America should just declare itself a “gun free zone”.

That way criminals would know not to bring guns into the country.

Gatsu on September 24, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Wow, I feel so much safer with obama as president…

sandee on September 24, 2013 at 10:48 AM

The Mall of America declared itself a “gun free zone” in response to the expansion of carry permits in Minnesota. Maybe they should rethink that policy in light of recent events.

Could a leftist troll explain the rationale behind this kind of thinking for us? While I understand the knee jerk stupidity that causes this kind of reaction, I fail to understand how anyone sane person could continue support such a position in the face of reality.

Are gun grabbers so stupid they actually believe that those intent on shooting others will be deterred by this? Are gun grabbers so stupid they actually believe disarmed, law-abiding citizens are safer from those willing to shoot others because of this policy? Are gun grabbers so stupid they actually believe that those who arm themselves legally are more dangerous than those who are willing to shoot others despite the law and the rules?

Please leftist trolls, enlighten us. What are the advantages of gun free zones.

NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM

The giant shopping mall is in Bloomington, Minnesota, less than 20 minutes from Minneapolis, which boasts a vibrant Somali-American community, from which al Qaeda’s Somalia affiliate, Al-Shabab, has been recruiting heavily.

Really? Does Minneapolis “boast” about this?

KS Rex on September 24, 2013 at 10:52 AM

So this is what Al Qaeda on the run looks like.

It is almost as if Obama has hired Baghdad Bob to think up his P.R. themes.

No Truce With Kings on September 24, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Newsflash to any public areas: I carry my weapon with me at all times, and you can thank me later for helping to save the lives of your patrons. So, you can cram your gun-free zone where the sun don’t shine for all I care.

HiJack on September 24, 2013 at 10:52 AM

If the malls are not easy targets, then the “North Star” terrorists will find some other target. Perhaps a large suburban church during Sunday services. Perhaps standing at a busy intersection and just walking down the line of cars waiting at a red light. Perhaps you switch from a Nairobi type of attack and plant an explosive device in a large public space.

Planning for contingencies is necessary but the reality is that such precautions can only do so much unless we want TSA-like searches to get into the local mall.

Happy Nomad on September 24, 2013 at 10:55 AM

“American” Muslims went all the way to to Kenya to do this. Is there any doubt that they’ll go down the road from their house to do it right here?

The backlash will be furious, which is the tripwire that I suspect 0b00ba et al are hoping for.

Akzed on September 24, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Could a leftist troll explain the rationale behind this kind of thinking for us? …..

NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Not a leftist troll but I can only think they want the victims unarmed.

CW on September 24, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Really? Does Minneapolis “boast” about this?

KS Rex on September 24, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Diversity, don’t ya know.

Happy Nomad on September 24, 2013 at 10:56 AM

So this is what Al Qaeda on the run looks like.

iceman1960 on September 24, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Yeah, somebody ought to check the pulse of GM too.

Happy Nomad on September 24, 2013 at 10:57 AM

After experiencing our revolution, The Framers made sure a right to bear arms was included in our constitution. They had seen first hand what tyrants and despots would do to steal rights and liberty from an unarmed populace.

During World War II, the Japanese were warned that if attacking the US mainland they would find a gun behind every blade of grass. That was one factor dissuading them from such tactics.

The only thing that can stop these attacks is an armed, determined citizen who is present. When seconds count help is minutes away.

We don’t have the luxury of time with these despicable people.


So why do Democrats want to disarm law abiding citizens who want to protect their families, friends, neighbors and communities?

Marcus Traianus on September 24, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Please leftist trolls, enlighten us. What are the advantages of gun free zones?

NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM

You’re joking, aren’t you? You don’t really believe those ignorant, lying trolls can give you a sensible answer to that, do you? They’re so ascared of guns that the thought of them makes them shrivel up and cower in darkness. I’d love it, I’d absolutely love it to be there when somebody armed with a handgun saves their bacon some day and see how they react to it. I mean other than crapping their pants.

HiJack on September 24, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Not a leftist troll but I can only think they want the victims unarmed.

CW on September 24, 2013 at 10:56 AM

That’s a horrible thought, isn’t it? Yet with a president that dances on the graves of those left defenseless by him and his predecessors one has to at least entertain the idea that is exactly what they want.

NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 11:01 AM

One may ask: Why are Somalis here in the United States? Why are Muslims here in the United States? What good could possibly come from their presence in this country?

Ask a liberal or your standard-issue “conservative” and you will be answered with only shrill ad hominem smears of “racism!!!”

But to anyone who can think, the question remains: Why do we continue to ignore the murderous insanity the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act has brought upon this country? Why do we not make our first priority an immigration moratorium, and only reinstate immigration once we have reformed the policy to allow in only high-IQ, high-trust individuals? Why is everyone so brainwashed into thinking it’s absolutely impermissible to exclude certain groups of people who cause nothing but trouble?

I know, I know: Racist!!!

ex_machina on September 24, 2013 at 11:01 AM

The funny thing is that the leftists that hate gun rights only trust police with guns….

some irony there. Police? The same ones that beat up innocent people?(a little sarcasm)

CW on September 24, 2013 at 11:01 AM

MOA is doing what to prepare, having their unarmed Mall Ninjas carry an extra can of pepper spray? No offense to the people who do that job but they are so obvious with their cornered police hats, starched white shirts and weapons-free duty belts that any attacking force would mow them down in an instant.

If anything the MOA should just sit back, there are so many Asian gang-bangers running around the place that they would outgun any terrorists group you can think of.

And those “Gun Free Zone” signs at MOA? They are irrelevant; state law says only individual stores in any mall can outlaw guns, the mall facility itself cannot.

Bishop on September 24, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Not a leftist troll but I can only think they want the victims unarmed.

CW on September 24, 2013 at 10:56 AM

That’s a horrible thought, isn’t it? Yet with a president that dances on the graves of those left defenseless by him and his predecessors one has to at least entertain the idea that is exactly what they want.

NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Do leftists de-claw their cats?

/

CW on September 24, 2013 at 11:04 AM

The giant shopping mall is in Bloomington, Minnesota, less than 20 minutes from Minneapolis, which boasts a vibrant Somali-American community, from which al Qaeda’s Somalia affiliate, Al-Shabab, has been recruiting heavily.

Vibrant. As in agitated hornets’ nest.

Stendec on September 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM

MOA is doing what to prepare, having their unarmed Mall Ninjas carry an extra can of pepper spray?

Bishop

They’re calling in Paul Blart.

ex_machina on September 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM

No no dont take the signs down, but instead do a search TSA style… o and ban all firearms!

watertown on September 24, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Please leftist trolls, enlighten us. What are the advantages of gun free zones?
 
NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM

 
You’re joking, aren’t you? You don’t really believe those ignorant, lying trolls can give you a sensible answer to that, do you? They’re so ascared of guns that the thought of them makes them shrivel up and cower in darkness. I’d love it, I’d absolutely love it to be there when somebody armed with a handgun saves their bacon some day and see how they react to it. I mean other than crapping their pants.
 
HiJack on September 24, 2013 at 10:58 AM

 
They can’t even figure out how to click links back to a thread where their original post resides.

rogerb on September 24, 2013 at 11:08 AM

- Muslims
- Freedom
- Civilization

Pick two.

ex_machina on September 24, 2013 at 11:08 AM

The Mall of America declared itself a “gun free zone”

Any mall declared such, will never get my families business, ever.

Look at what happened in Kenya and the pictures of children with their parents who died right next to them. If this is not evidence enough that such policies are both foolish and dangerous, nothing will compel these owners to adequately protect us.

Kenya also has a very strict ban on gun ownership and the perpetrators most likely knew this.

Do they think it can’t happen in the US? Nonsense, it’s been one of the greatest fears for years that such soft targets would be hit.

Marcus Traianus on September 24, 2013 at 11:09 AM

British hero of the mall massacre: Ex Royal Marine with a handgun saved 100 lives as terrorists ran amok

Akzed on September 24, 2013 at 11:09 AM

If malls are having problems attracting customers due to lack of security… or online sales… perhaps they should be seeking permits to get a gun range built into the complex.

ajacksonian on September 24, 2013 at 11:12 AM

The giant shopping mall is in Bloomington, Minnesota, less than 20 minutes from Minneapolis, which boasts a vibrant Somali-American community, from which al Qaeda’s Somalia affiliate, Al-Shabab, has been recruiting heavily.

1.) STOP all Muslim immigration to America,
2.) Y’all in the Twin Cities welcomed those cretins from Somalia, you suffer the consequences. You could simply not support them in any of their commercial activities. Absent that maybe the Scandinavian pacifists should just keep quiet.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on September 24, 2013 at 11:13 AM

I am trying my best to figure out why so many shootings take place in gun free zones.

After all, “they” passed these laws and ordinances making it illegal to carry a gun into a gun free zone, after all.

I mean, if they pass a law, why would shooters break a law to take a gun into a gun free zone?

Don’t these shooters understand that they are breaking the law?

/s/ [sarc added for the dim wits.]

coldwarrior on September 24, 2013 at 11:14 AM

So why do Democrats want to disarm law abiding citizens who want to protect their families, friends, neighbors and communities? Marcus Traianus on September 24, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Communist r3volutions routinely involved setting criminals free from prison. This causes chaos so the people will clamor for relief. Only the govt can provide such relief.

Once tit-for-tat shootemups between Muslims and normal people begin here, well, it should be easy enough to come up with several scenarios where the bulk of the populace will be shrieking for order to be restored.

Akzed on September 24, 2013 at 11:16 AM

The Mall of America, the biggest shopping mall in the United States, has already increased security measures in response to the Nairobi mall siege over the weekend.

Those terrorists better not carry any weapons into the Mall of America. It’s against the law, you realize. So … isn’t the Mall of America close to one of the largest Somali immigrant populations in the US?

Paul-Cincy on September 24, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Don’t these shooters understand that they are breaking the law?

coldwarrior on September 24, 2013 at 11:14 AM

I’m sure you’re familiar with adage that it is easier to beg forgiveness than it is to get permission. Well, “Alahu Akbar” is nothing more than saying you’re sorry. /

Happy Nomad on September 24, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Hmm, wonder if CBS knows what religion is involved with the MN jihadis?

PattyJ on September 24, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Imagine if Kenya said “we’ll send a police force to the US”.

That’s what obama wants to do in Kenya.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Aren’t most malls “gun free” zones? I know that on go/no-go carry lists that malls all over the place, even in heavy carry areas are frequently on the lists. It seems pretty stupid to me.

deepdiver on September 24, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Sorry, specifically to your point, as many arms as we have in this country only a fraction of the people who own them ever carry them for protection. Therefore, the interruption of crimes by armed citizens is not as widespread as it might otherwise be, and remains largely unreported.

The low-level chaos this engenders makes gun crime pervasive enough to make opposition to guns per se seem reasonable.

Plus, govt hates self-sufficiency, and so wants as many people as possible dependent upon govt for protection. And, an armed citizenry is the bane of tyrants. Let’s not forget that.

Akzed on September 24, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Well, Kenya sent us a President…

coldwarrior on September 24, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Hmm, wonder if CBS knows what religion is involved with the MN jihadis?

PattyJ on September 24, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Radical Lutherans?

Happy Nomad on September 24, 2013 at 11:24 AM

“The Mall of America declared itself a “gun free zone” in response to the expansion of carry permits in Minnesota. ”

Do people actually pay attention to these signs anymore?

I dont

Eph on September 24, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Akzed on September 24, 2013 at 11:21 AM

There is still a deterrence factor even if only a small percentage actually carry. Just as criminals are reluctant to invade homes because they fear being shot, psychopaths choose their targets because they believe their intended victims cannot stand against them. Declaring a place gun free is ultimately nothing but an invitation for those willing to do harm.

NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Are gun grabbers so stupid they actually believe that those intent on shooting others will be deterred by this? Are gun grabbers so stupid they actually believe disarmed, law-abiding citizens are safer from those willing to shoot others because of this policy? Are gun grabbers so stupid they actually believe that those who arm themselves legally are more dangerous than those who are willing to shoot others despite the law and the rules?
NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

dentarthurdent on September 24, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Newsflash to any public areas: I carry my weapon with me at all times, and you can thank me later for helping to save the lives of your patrons. So, you can cram your gun-free zone where the sun don’t shine for all I care.

HiJack on September 24, 2013 at 10:52 AM

I plan on doing the same when I get a concealed carry permit.

PatriotGal2257 on September 24, 2013 at 11:31 AM

I’m sure you’re familiar with adage that it is easier to beg forgiveness than it is to get permission. Well, “Alahu Akbar” is nothing more than saying you’re sorry. /

Happy Nomad on September 24, 2013 at 11:17 AM

I think it’s arabic for something more like “take that motherf*%$$&r” or “….and the horse you rode in on”.

dentarthurdent on September 24, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Let ‘em try this shite in America.

More specifically – let ‘em try it in any SOUTHERN state where men are still men.

HondaV65 on September 24, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Imagine if Kenya said “we’ll send a police force to the US”.
That’s what obama wants to do in Kenya.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 11:19 AM

I’d love to see Kenya actually publicly offer to send some of their cops to Chicago….

dentarthurdent on September 24, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Declaring a place gun free is ultimately nothing but an invitation for those willing to do harm. NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Understood. And when a consequence of draconian anti-gun laws is as easily deduced as this, we must at least consider that it is an intended one rather than an unintended one.

Akzed on September 24, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Here’s another solution. Deport the somali families that bring up these kinds of people.

jake49 on September 24, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Just curious…

If a similar attack started at the Mall of America – and it was stopped by a couple people who ignored MoA’s “Gun Free Zone” signs and dropped the attackers on the spot…what would the media say?

dubito ergo cogito
cogito ergo sum

FlyNavy on September 24, 2013 at 11:40 AM

The giant shopping mall is in Bloomington, Minnesota, less than 20 minutes from Minneapolis, which boasts a vibrant Somali-American community, from which al Qaeda’s Somalia affiliate, Al-Shabab, has been recruiting heavily.

Really? Does Minneapolis “boast” about this?

KS Rex on September 24, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Yuppers.

Here in the MiniApple we are proud of our ability to practice routine self-deception.

Tinking Bad Taww-tts About Udders is just not very Skandyhoovian Lute-wren don’tcha know?

The Somali bad-asses over around Cedar-Riverside have figured this out and play the game very well.

Bruno Strozek on September 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Btw, if ever you’re in such a situation, run, in a zig zag…never listen to the stay put idiots, like in the Navy Yard. If you stay put, you’re dead. If you run you improve your chances.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Also, try to incapacitate the bad ones.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Are gun grabbers so stupid they actually believe that those intent on shooting others will be deterred by this? Are gun grabbers so stupid they actually believe disarmed, law-abiding citizens are safer from those willing to shoot others because of this policy? Are gun grabbers so stupid they actually believe that those who arm themselves legally are more dangerous than those who are willing to shoot others despite the law and the rules?

NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM

I’m not a leftist troll but I can answer your questions.

1.Yes
2.Yes
3.Yes

Oldnuke on September 24, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Btw, if ever you’re in such a situation, run, in a zig zag…never listen to the stay put idiots, like in the Navy Yard. If you stay put, you’re dead. If you run you improve your chances. Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 11:55 AM

I can’t shoot straight running in a zig zag.

Akzed on September 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Insurance companies require malls to ban guns to limit liability. If a shopper defends himself or other person from attack and there is collateral damage the mall get sued. If you notice mall security is unarmed. Because if the security guard shoots the wrong person they sued. They don’t get sued if a spree shooting happens. If they call in the cops and the cops shoot the wrong person the mall isn’t liable. They are not liable for acts of criminals. Until they are held liable for failing to protect the public they will continue this policy. It is the economically rational thing to do.

Now increasing security does not mean getting more unarmed guards. It involves increasing the number firearms in mall in a covert manner. That means more plain clothes security packing heat and of course allowing citizens to carry. While the known presence of security/armed citizens will probably deter the usual spree shooter it will probably not deter a terrorist group. It will cut down the death toll since some people will be able to shoot their way out. Just remember that they might be wearing body armor so knock ‘em down with two in the chest and then shoot ‘em the head as you run by. During a terrorist attack visibly armed security will be targeted first just like at the Navy Yard.

jerryofva on September 24, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Serpentine, that’s what you should do, belly crawl serpentine.

I routinely practice this while I’m out and about, yeah people in the grocery store stare and quickly shoo their kids away but I’m like “Hey man, this could save your life one day!”

Bishop on September 24, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Could a leftist troll explain the rationale behind this kind of thinking for us? While I understand the knee jerk stupidity that causes this kind of reaction, I fail to understand how anyone sane person could continue support such a position in the face of reality.

The Mall of America probably doesn’t think that having a bunch of heavily armed yahoos wandering around the Victoria’s Secret contributes to a relaxing shopping experience.

They likely aren’t excited by the prospect of a dispute over a parking place or the last Tickle Me Elmo turning into an armed showdown.

Given that even trained cops have a habit of gunning down bystanders in shootouts in crowded situations, they’re probably not eager to have a bunch of yahoos “helping” their security should an incident occur.

There’s always the problem of hero-wannabes provoking an incident and then killing an innocent kid, George Zimmerman-like.

So, yeah, if I’m a shopping mall manager, I’ve got to figure that the odds of some armed idiot doing damage to my property is significantly higher than they odds that they’ll stop a terrorist attack in the making.

urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM

The next time congress brings up a gun-control bill someone should attach an amendment requiring ‘gun-free zones’ to have metal detectors at every entrance.

agmartin on September 24, 2013 at 12:03 PM

And since they won’t post their pro-criminal positions themselves…

rogerb on September 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM

could he have been tackled earlier had he not had so many goddamn bullets in one mag?
 
sesquipedalian on December 17, 2012 at 1:33 PM

rogerb on September 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM

There is a fairly big Somali population in the Seattle area. I’ve heard one kid talk about his dad looking all “al-shaab looking.” It would be crazy to think that there is nobody here related to al-Shabaab in any way. There is also a number of billboards by homeland security asking people to report terrorism in the area where the Somali population is.

It is really staggering to think of the treats the U.S allows to come in, legally or illegally.

Gatekeeper on September 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Only a semi-automatic weapon would have prevented someone from tackling him between shots.
 
bayam on December 15, 2012 at 10:24 AM

rogerb on September 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM

The Mall of America probably doesn’t think that having a bunch of heavily armed yahoos wandering around the Victoria’s Secret contributes to a relaxing shopping experience.

urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Apparently that’s what the mall in Kenya thought too. How’d that work out for them?

Oldnuke on September 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM

What is the DHS alert supposed to achieve? A mall like Long Island’s Roosevelt Field has no way of really increasing security. There are maybe 6 Nassau cops there at any given time. One or two in the substation in the mall’s lower level. A sector car and maybe 2 mounted cops. Six guys entering from six different entryways on a rainy day so their weapons can be concealed and the mall busier than usual could wreak untold carnage before any help could arrive. Other than arming the mall cops or posting Nassau County’s special weapons team there permanently, there is no way to increase security. the public will not stand for limiting entryways or pat downs and metal detectors.

xkaydet65 on September 24, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Do you know when it was and what allowed the AZ shooter to be stopped (tackled)? When he went to change his 30 round clip.
 
verbaluce on January 9, 2013 at 5:54 PM

rogerb on September 24, 2013 at 12:08 PM

There’s always the problem of hero-wannabes provoking an incident and then killing an innocent kid, George Zimmerman-like.

urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Zimmerman shot someone else? Must have missed that. Only one I heard about was low life thug gangsta wannabe Trayvon Martin. Who ambushed Zimmerman and tried to beat his brains out with a sidewalk.

Oldnuke on September 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

He was tackled once he’d emptied that clip, and had 2 more ready with 15 in each.
 
verbaluce on January 30, 2013 at 3:22 PM

rogerb on September 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 11:55 AM

“Serpentine Shelly. Serpentine!”

coldwarrior on September 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM

OBTW Thanks for stepping up and identifying yourself as a leftist troll.

Oldnuke on September 24, 2013 at 12:11 PM

So, anyone want to tackle what the ideal defensive technique should be when confronted with an armed criminal?

rogerb on September 24, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Bishop on September 24, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Et tu, Bishop? :-)

coldwarrior on September 24, 2013 at 12:12 PM

…and then killing an innocent kid, George Zimmerman-like.
 
urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM

 
Innocent of what, UE?

rogerb on September 24, 2013 at 12:13 PM

So, anyone want to tackle what the ideal defensive technique should be when confronted with an armed criminal?

rogerb on September 24, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Yes, you should immediately puke on them and then wet your pants. Oh wait that’s for rapists isn’t it. I keep getting confused.

Oldnuke on September 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM

So, anyone want to tackle what the ideal defensive technique should be when confronted with an armed criminal?

rogerb on September 24, 2013 at 12:11 PM

That’s easy: pee yourself and vomit, that’ll make it stop.

NapaConservative on September 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Or point to the Gun Free Zone Sign so he understands that he brought his weapon to the wrong place.

NapaConservative on September 24, 2013 at 12:17 PM

OBTW Thanks for stepping up and identifying yourself as a leftist troll.

Oldnuke on September 24, 2013 at 12:11 PM

If the shoe fits, I’ll wear it.

Zimmerman shot someone else? Must have missed that.

Oldnuke on September 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

The way he likes to wave that gun around it’s only a matter of time. At least his ex-wife dodged a bullet.

Only one I heard about was low life thug gangsta wannabe Trayvon Martin. Who ambushed Zimmerman and tried to beat his brains out with a sidewalk.

I’m trying to figure out how you ambush someone who is stalking you. Are you saying that Zimmy is a moron as well as a coward?

urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM

The Mall of America probably doesn’t think that having a bunch of heavily armed yahoos wandering around the Victoria’s Secret contributes to a relaxing shopping experience.

They likely aren’t excited by the prospect of a dispute over a parking place or the last Tickle Me Elmo turning into an armed showdown.

Given that even trained cops have a habit of gunning down bystanders in shootouts in crowded situations, they’re probably not eager to have a bunch of yahoos “helping” their security should an incident occur.

There’s always the problem of hero-wannabes provoking an incident and then killing an innocent kid, George Zimmerman-like.

So, yeah, if I’m a shopping mall manager, I’ve got to figure that the odds of some armed idiot doing damage to my property is significantly higher than they odds that they’ll stop a terrorist attack in the making.

urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM

This is your reasoning? Wow. I thought we dispensed with this silly nonsense 20 years ago. Why haven’t shall issue states become like the imagined Wild West of Hollywood? It used to be that any state that was debating becoming a shall issue state we heard that illogical nonsense you just spewed above. Now? Not so much since none of those predictions came true.

You need some new material. This is 2013, not 1993. And it’s rather cute how you threw lies about the Zimmerman case in there as well. Good for you, you good little leftist!

NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM

UE: you need to follow up on the news. Shelly attacked George and no gun was in play. Sorry to rain on your narrative.

jerryofva on September 24, 2013 at 12:21 PM

This is your reasoning? Wow. I thought we dispensed with this silly nonsense 20 years ago. Why haven’t shall issue states become like the imagined Wild West of Hollywood? It used to be that any state that was debating becoming a shall issue state we heard that illogical nonsense you just spewed above. Now? Not so much since none of those predictions came true.

You need some new material. This is 2013, not 1993. And it’s rather cute how you threw lies about the Zimmerman case in there as well. Good for you, you good little leftist!

NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM

So you want untrained vigilantes to open fire in a crowded mall based on what they think is going on? Not good odds, there.

urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:24 PM

The way he likes to wave that gun around it’s only a matter of time. At least his ex-wife dodged a bullet.

urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Not only did eyewitness accounts contradict his wife, but she recanted. Are you allergic to the truth? Seriously, this one should be a no-brainer. Zimmerman wasn’t charged, let alone arrested.

I’m trying to figure out how you ambush someone who is stalking you. Are you saying that Zimmy is a moron as well as a coward?

I think the above stands all by itself as a special kind of genius. No wonder you believe the nonsense you believe. Apparently it is impossible to ambush someone who is following you in your world.

NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 12:25 PM

The way he likes to wave that gun around it’s only a matter of time. At least his ex-wife dodged a bullet.
 
urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM

 

Deputy Police Chief Colin Morgan said officers did not recover a gun, and Bracknell said Shellie Zimmerman later dropped her claim that a gun was involved.
 
“Domestic violence can’t be invoked because she has changed her story and says she didn’t see a firearm,” Bracknell said.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman-gun-incident-florida-trayvon-martin/2788443/

 
BTW, that’s a great way to help combat the low-info Obama voter association that has taken root for some reason, UE.

rogerb on September 24, 2013 at 12:26 PM

I’m trying to figure out how you ambush someone who is stalking you. Are you saying that Zimmy is a moron as well as a coward?

urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM

First you talk on the phone with your hoochie mama and declare that a “creepy ass cracka” is keeping an eye on you.

Then you double back and jump on him from behind.

Finally, you bang his head on the concrete until he pops you.

See how easy it was, you should try it sometime.

NapaConservative on September 24, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Shelly attacked George and no gun was in play. Sorry to rain on your narrative.

jerryofva on September 24, 2013 at 12:21 PM

I totally believe the testimony of a admitted liar and apparent coward, who was fighting a felony conviction.

And I believe in Santa.

You guys pick weird heroes.

urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

So you want untrained vigilantes to open fire in a crowded mall based on what they think is going on? Not good odds, there.

urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Again, this is 2013, no 1993. This bogus argument has been shot full of lead. I live in a shall issue state. I am out in public often enough. Guess what doesn’t ever happen? And I’m not talking about myself responding to anything. I’m talking about anyone who might be armed. People have too much real world experience to take your silly argument seriously. Only someone who lives in a place like DC, where there is an active attempt to disarm everyone, would believe such stupidity.

NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

and then killing an innocent kid, George Zimmerman-like.
 
urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM

 

You guys pick weird heroes.
 
urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

 
Ha. Not a half an hour between.

rogerb on September 24, 2013 at 12:31 PM

UE: I don’t take George’s word forward. I take the police departments word for it. You must think George paid them off.

jerryofva on September 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM

No burkas.

The Muslim terrorist men apparently hid weapons inside their borrowed burkas.

ama on September 24, 2013 at 12:34 PM

And how long would it take you to know that you’re being held hostage? Oh wait, I forgot. You’re an idiot. It would probably take a long time.

blink on September 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

UE would vomit and pee on him/herself, then point to the “Gun Free Zone” sign, and then promptly turn Stockholm Syndrome and convert to Islam on the spot – just before the terrorists slit his/her throat for not being a real Muslim.

dentarthurdent on September 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Put a small pig outside of secure areas – as when entering an airport.

Pet the pig and go right in. Refuse to touch the pig, then further scanning.

Muslims are afraid of pigs.

ama on September 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM

UE: I have met the pistol qualification standards for the US military, DoD civilian and the Intelligence community. I also shoot 7-10k rounds a year. Your average big city cop shoots a couple hundred rounds a year. Which of us would you like to be around when the guns go off?

jerryofva on September 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM

It’s interesting that you don’t know that the wife later admitted to lying about that.

blink on September 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM

No surprise a lefty troll doesn’t know the facts, doesn’t care about the facts, only spouts lefty lies and talking points.

dentarthurdent on September 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Probably has the name of Mohammed’s mother written on a little piece of paper in his pocket.

NapaConservative on September 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM

First you talk on the phone with your hoochie mama and declare that a “creepy ass cracka” is keeping an eye on you.

Then you double back and jump on him from behind.

Finally, you bang his head on the concrete until he pops you.

See how easy it was, you should try it sometime.

NapaConservative on September 24, 2013 at 12:27 PM

It is “creepy ass-cracker”, not “creepy-ass cracka”. Trademark was a homophobic bigot, not racist.

cptacek on September 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

You guys pick weird heroes.

urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

And you lefties don’t?
Like the drugged up, violence prone, gangsta wannabe Trayvon?

dentarthurdent on September 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

No surprise a lefty troll doesn’t know the facts, doesn’t care about the facts, only spouts lefty lies and talking points.

dentarthurdent on September 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM

I’m guessing he spends very little time educating himself on anything if still uses the, “Shoot-em-up Wild West!”, argument against guns.

NotCoach on September 24, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Send the Somali Muslims back.

And no more Muslims and no more victory Mosques in the US.

ama on September 24, 2013 at 12:42 PM

The way he likes to wave that gun around it’s only a matter of time. At least his ex-wife dodged a bullet.

urban elitist on September 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM

YOU dishonest pig…he had no gun…the wife said so, immediately when confronted by authorities.

Schadenfreude on September 24, 2013 at 12:42 PM

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