Revelation from the NYT: ObamaCare is going to mean fewer health care choices

posted at 1:21 pm on September 23, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

With plastered-on smiles, the Obama administration and the health care law’s supporters continue to insist that ObamaCare and its many wonderful benefits and competitive advantages are going to drive down insurance premiums for millions and millions of Americans. Once the system really gets into full swing, Americans are “not going to want to let it go,” DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz intoned last week on the heels of a Health and Human Services study concluding that upwards of six million individuals will be eligible for premiums costing less than $100/week after the federal government’s subsidization.

One of the major problems that these miraculous promises have consistently neglected to mention, however, is that insurers are making the (rational!) decision to drive down their premiums by restricting the number of providers who will treat patients in these new insurance plans. “When health insurance companies compete, the only winner is you” has been a constant refrain of the law’s supporters, but it should really run more along the lines of something like: “When the federal bureaucracy micromanages the health-care sector in a system that absolves pre-existing conditions and in which everyone must participate or pay a penalty, expect to be herded into a one-size-fits-all insurance plan with limited care options.”

The New York Times seems to have cottoned on to the scheme:

Federal officials often say that health insurance will cost consumers less than expected under President Obama’s health care law. But they rarely mention one big reason: many insurers are significantly limiting the choices of doctors and hospitals available to consumers.

… To hold down costs, insurers say, they have created smaller networks of doctors and hospitals than are typically found in commercial insurance. And those health care providers will, in many cases, be paid less than what they have been receiving from commercial insurers.

Some consumer advocates and health care providers are increasingly concerned. Decades of experience with Medicaid, the program for low-income people, show that having an insurance card does not guarantee access to specialists or other providers.

Ah, yes — Medicaid. As the wider health care system increasingly takes on the characteristics of the broken program and it’s top-down prescriptions, expect the associated problems of poor quality of care, poor access to care, poor health outcomes, doctors’ widespread nonacceptance, and longer waiting times to metastasize along with it.

Consumers should be prepared for “much tighter, narrower networks” of doctors and hospitals, said Adam M. Linker, a health policy analyst at the North Carolina Justice Center, a statewide advocacy group. …

Insurers say that with a smaller array of doctors and hospitals, they can offer lower-cost policies and have more control over the quality of health care providers. They also say that having insurance with a limited network of providers is better than having no coverage at all. …

Many insurers are cutting costs by slicing doctors’ fees.

Dr. Barbara L. McAneny, a cancer specialist in Albuquerque, said that insurers in the New Mexico exchange were generally paying doctors at Medicare levels, which she said were “often below our cost of doing business, and definitely below commercial rates.”

Absolutely none of this information is a surprise, by the way — it’s pretty much exactly what critics of the health care law and its many flaws have been predicting for several years now. That the administration ever thought that outright falsehoods like “If you like your plan, you can keep it” and “you can keep your doctor” were ever a good idea shows just how little they have to go on.


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We are from the Government, and we know everything about you.

John the Libertarian on September 23, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Obamacare, so wonderful it will literally kill you.

Gatsu on September 23, 2013 at 1:25 PM

They’re still blaming the private companies. It’s all the insurance companies fault. Morons.

njrob on September 23, 2013 at 1:25 PM

7 days from the deadline. And this was passed what, 3 or 4 years ago?

Way to be on top of it, Paper of Record!

Nethicus on September 23, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Read the article comments. So depressing that there are so many idiots in this country. Common themes…. what’s wrong with limiting choice and Insurers are evil.

txag92 on September 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM

What more do people need to agree to get rid of this mess. NYT is critical of the claims made by Odumbo. Geeezzzz.

rjoco1 on September 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM

six million individuals will be eligible for premiums costing less than $100/week after the federal government’s subsidization.

$100/week = $5200/year.

Which, if I think of my employer’s contribution as part of my compensation and view it and my contribution as part of my salary, is just about what I’m paying already.

rbj on September 23, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Those two smiling jackals, add some brown shirts and SD armbands and the photo will be complete.

Yep, this is going to be so much awesomeness, I mean think how fun it would be to lurch around on a torn ACL because you can’t see a specialist for 6 months. Meanwhile the royals who created the mess will have instant access to special facilities reserved for their personal use.

Bishop on September 23, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Wait a tic… Blimey, this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought.

/Dennis Moore

mankai on September 23, 2013 at 1:31 PM

You mean Obama’s nationalized health care is going to give us the same poor treatment and long waits for care that every other nationalized health care system has produced?

Who could possibly have foreseen this?

Socratease on September 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM

You don’t know what you are saying you clueless tea baggers
-lib posters on politico

Its highlarious

cmsinaz on September 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Despite all of this, the NY Slimes is still carrying water for the progressive agenda -downplaying the EpicClusterFarkNado and the obvious lies expressed by the Dear Leader and the other pols who rammed this Cloward Piven POS through in 2010.

Athos on September 23, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Revelation from the NYT: ObamaCare is going to mean fewer health care choices

There you go trying to distort Obamacare which is like the most fantastic piece of legislation since the US Constitution! Obamacare does not mean fewer healthcare choices. It simply helps the consumer by eliminating a confusing number of options and giving them one or two to pick from instead.

Think of it like going into an ice cream shop. Instead of having to make a selection between Butter Pecan, Mint Chocolate Chip, Bubblegum, etc.; you choose between vanilla or chocolate. You’ve got a clear choice, the system is that much more efficient with less choice, and fewer products mean that there is more time for regulation!

Choice is hard. Obamacare is going to be awesome!

Happy Nomad on September 23, 2013 at 1:33 PM

six million individuals will be eligible for premiums costing less than $100/week after the federal government’s subsidization.

Six million… statistical noise.

And what choices does one get for his $5200/year?

The government doesn’t subsidize anything, your fellow Americans do. You’re welcome.

mankai on September 23, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Times headline for tomorrow?

Sun rises in the East

socalcon on September 23, 2013 at 1:34 PM

I could really get behind this law and support it……….if only it had been signed into law by a white guy.

/

antipc on September 23, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Hmmm.
Gonna be fewer doctors. Gonna be more people to see these doctors.
I can’t imagine what the effect of this will be…..

Jgriff on September 23, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Who could possibly have foreseen this?

Socratease on September 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Helen Keller.

Happy Nomad on September 23, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Common themes…. what’s wrong with limiting choice and Insurers are evil.

txag92 on September 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM

They’re about to find out, oh yes, they are.

“What do you mean I’ve been denied cancer treatments? I’m what? Not categorized as an essential worker? But I…but…but…”

Bishop on September 23, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Obamacare, so wonderful it will literally kill you.

Gatsu on September 23, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Hey! That’s a feature not a bug.

Happy Nomad on September 23, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Amazing how all of the conservative criticisms are coming to pass. Just amazing.

besser tot als rot on September 23, 2013 at 1:38 PM

One positive spin on this, it will make the care I receive from the VA among the best in the country! Turn that frown upside down people.

Johnnyreb on September 23, 2013 at 1:42 PM

I’m shocked, I’ll tell you, just completely shocked./sarc

WV. Paul on September 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Think of it like going into an ice cream shop. Instead of having to make a selection between Butter Pecan, Mint Chocolate Chip, Bubblegum, etc.; you choose between vanilla or chocolate.

…and we’re all out of chocolate.

EA_MAN on September 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM

…and we’re all out of chocolate.

EA_MAN on September 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM

ROTFLMAO!

Happy Nomad on September 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Absolutely none of this information is a surprise, by the way — it’s pretty much exactly what critics of the health care law and its many flaws have been predicting for several years now. That the administration ever thought that outright falsehoods like “If you like your plan, you can keep it” and “you can keep your doctor” were ever a good idea shows just how little they have to go on.

It’s worse than this Erika; thanks for putting up these threads.

Health Insurance Companies are cancelling current plans (see http://twitchy.com/2013/09/21/health-insurers-to-customers-if-you-like-your-plan-you-can-keep-nah-youre-screwed/

blue-cross-aetna-united-humana-flee-obamacare-exchanges (See article at cnsnews dot com (can’t link to it)

The Obamacare Exchanges are a disaster with many errors and Independent Insurers cannot get their clients enrolled. If the Senate passes the CR, then Oct 1st is deadline to sign up in the Exchanges. If due to the technical debacle many will be without Insurance and not enrolled in the Exchanges.

Of course these traitors that call themselves Senators don’t know this, since they only communicate with each other or the MSM.

Oh, yeah shut the entire mess down!! Next step, vote these worthless bodies out of office!!

bluefox on September 23, 2013 at 1:48 PM

…and we’re all out of chocolate.

EA_MAN on September 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Racist.

mankai on September 23, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Absolutely none of this information is a surprise, by the way — it’s pretty much exactly what critics of the health care law and its many flaws have been predicting for several years now.

Exactly! Liberals KNOW everything. But as Reagan pointed out, ‘so much of what they KNOW is not true.’

GarandFan on September 23, 2013 at 1:50 PM

…and we’re all out of chocolate.

EA_MAN on September 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Under ObamaCare, Ice Cream and sweets of any kind are deemed as bad for your health, and thus too costly to the collective. Therefore, they will be banned.

This ban only applies to Conservatives and Tea Party supporters. Since the IRS is in control of your healthcare, they will decide what healthcare you get based on your politics.

Meople on September 23, 2013 at 1:50 PM

EA_man

Winner!!!!!

cmsinaz on September 23, 2013 at 1:53 PM

…and we’re all out of chocolate and cream.

EA_MAN on September 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM

antipc on September 23, 2013 at 1:54 PM

If you ever want to see just how bad of shape this country is in… And you think you can stand it.. Read the comment section of the NYT. Never in your life will you ever see such a display of a ship of fools. The commenters are so full of themselves and believe themselves to be so very very intellectual but it is actually painful to take the collection of brainwashed dummies parroting the lines they have been fed by their overlords.

Caseoftheblues on September 23, 2013 at 1:55 PM

The N.Y. Times are 4 years behind! I knew that in 2009 plus more of the evils that exist in this disaster. I’m sure others did as well that were involved in opposing it.

This article by the N.Y. Times is only news to those that just awoke from a long sleep.

bluefox on September 23, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Under ObamaCare, Ice Cream and sweets of any kind are deemed as bad for your health, and thus too costly to the collective. Therefore, they will be banned.

Lenina Huxley: Ah, smoking is not good for you, and it’s been deemed that anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal. Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat…
John Spartan: Are you shitting me?
Moral Statute Machine: John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.
John Spartan: What the hell is that?
Moral Statute Machine: John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.
Lenina Huxley: Bad language, chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys and anything spicy. Abortion is also illegal, but then again so is pregnancy if you don’t have a licence.

njrob on September 23, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Caseoftheblues on September 23, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Sorry, NYT has a parental block on it in my house. Along with MSLSD, CNN, et al.

Meople on September 23, 2013 at 1:57 PM

What more do people need to agree to get rid of this mess.

Functioning brains, careful observation, awareness and the ability to analyze the situation rationally.

All sadly lacking in the vast numbers of LIV. By design of course.

hawkeye54 on September 23, 2013 at 2:00 PM

If you ever want to see just how bad of shape this country is in… And you think you can stand it.. Read the comment section of the NYT. Never in your life will you ever see such a display of a ship of fools. The commenters are so full of themselves and believe themselves to be so very very intellectual but it is actually painful to take the collection of brainwashed dummies parroting the lines they have been fed by their overlords.

Caseoftheblues on September 23, 2013 at 1:55 PM

No need visiting the mother ship. HA has trolls that drive by to give us more than a taste of what you’re talking about.

Happy Nomad on September 23, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Lenina Huxley: Ah, smoking is not good for you, and it’s been deemed that anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal. Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat…
John Spartan: Are you shitting me?
Moral Statute Machine: John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.
John Spartan: What the hell is that?
Moral Statute Machine: John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.
Lenina Huxley: Bad language, chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys and anything spicy. Abortion is also illegal, but then again so is pregnancy if you don’t have a licence.

njrob on September 23, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Bingo! Does anyone here NOT think this is exactly what is going to be imposed on the masses under ObamaCare? That is, for everyone other than the ruling class in Washington?

Get ready, because this is exactly what will happen. Except for the abortion part, that will never EVER be made illegal. And we’ll continue to pay for it with taxpayer dollars.

Meople on September 23, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Sorry, NYT has a parental block on it in my house. Along with MSLSD, CNN, et al.

Meople on September 23, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Well maybe if you asked your mom real nice and promised to take out the garbage when asked…….. ;0

Happy Nomad on September 23, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Think of it like going into an ice cream shop. Instead of having to make a selection between Butter Pecan, Mint Chocolate Chip, Bubblegum, etc.; you choose between vanilla or chocolate.

…and we’re all out of chocolate.

EA_MAN on September 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM

and you have just taken ticket #29856853 as you wait for your $17.99 scoop of vanilla as #41566 is now being served. Be sure to use your smart phone app and they’ll get back to you next week when your turn comes up.

hawkeye54 on September 23, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Well maybe if you asked your mom real nice and promised to take out the garbage when asked…….. ;0

Happy Nomad on September 23, 2013 at 2:01 PM

HAHA, nah, that’s a parental lock that I put in place. We don’t even have kids, I just did it so anyone that stays at my house can’t go to those kind of sites or watch those channels.

Meople on September 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM

“…not going to want to let it go,”

You are assuming a lot. The danger is they will really ratchet up the subsidies to make it as attractive as they can.

rickv404 on September 23, 2013 at 2:10 PM

that’s a parental lock that I put in place. We don’t even have kids, I just did it so anyone that stays at my house can’t go to those kind of sites or watch those channels.

Meople on September 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Friends don’t let friends watch MSDNC?

Happy Nomad on September 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

and you have just taken ticket #29856853 as you wait for your $17.99 scoop of vanilla as #41566 is now being served. Be sure to use your smart phone app and they’ll get back to you next week when your turn comes up.

hawkeye54 on September 23, 2013 at 2:04 PM

And please fill out these forms to verify that you have not eaten more ice cream this month than your allowance. Also fill out these forms and supply the documentation to prove that you have been enrolled at your local health club. Finally, do you have any firearms in the house; what is your religious faith and/or persuasion; how often do you pray; what is the content of your prayers …

PackerBronco on September 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Friends don’t let friends watch MSDNC?

Happy Nomad on September 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Indeed. Its for their own good.

Meople on September 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM

That the administration ever thought that outright falsehoods like “If you like your plan, you can keep it” and “you can keep your doctor” were ever a good idea shows just how little they have to go on.

Not really. It just shows how gullible and stupid many American people/voters are.

An older woman recently told me Obamacare wouldn’t mess with her still seeing her regular doctor…that surely Medicare wouldn’t be affected. Poor dear.

marybel on September 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM

“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”

(If you want to pay cash)

Ward Cleaver on September 23, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Don’t worry, single payer is next.

/yikes

Ward Cleaver on September 23, 2013 at 2:16 PM

An older woman recently told me Obamacare wouldn’t mess with her still seeing her regular doctor…that surely Medicare wouldn’t be affected. Poor dear.

marybel on September 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Yeah, she’ll be getting the death panel pill real soon.

Happy Nomad on September 23, 2013 at 2:17 PM

If you ever want to see just how bad of shape this country is in… And you think you can stand it.. Read the comment section of the NYT. Never in your life will you ever see such a display of a ship of fools. The commenters are so full of themselves and believe themselves to be so very very intellectual but it is actually painful to take the collection of brainwashed dummies parroting the lines they have been fed by their overlords.

Caseoftheblues on September 23, 2013 at 1:55 PM

This is why I’m in favor of The Great Divorce. I want these idiots to have their own special country where they can get to live under the wonderful system that they want to create. I want a border to keep them out of my country.

And, when the last one dies out from terminal stupidy, I figure we can grab the land back and use it properly. No way they can survive for long.

trigon on September 23, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Dang. I misspelled stupidity.

That’s kind of funny.

trigon on September 23, 2013 at 2:20 PM

The New York Times seems to have cottoned on to the scheme:

Is that some kind of racist dog whistle?

steebo77 on September 23, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Racist.

I’m not trying to be a slave to fashion, I’m only calling a spade a spade.

EA_MAN on September 23, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Promises the world it will be great, but the more you learn about it, its not nearly as desirable

reminds me of this

tommer74 on September 23, 2013 at 2:22 PM

7 days from the deadline. And this was passed what, 3 or 4 years ago?

Way to be on top of it, Paper of Record!

Nethicus on September 23, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Hey, cut them some slack! Their primary function isn’t to report the news, it’s to get Democrats elected and get Democrat-sponsored legislation passed. Now how are they going to be able to do their job properly if they report inconvenient facts that make Dems look bad!?!

djm1992 on September 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Think of it like going into an ice cream shop. Instead of having to make a selection between Butter Pecan, Mint Chocolate Chip, Bubblegum, etc.; you choose between vanilla or chocolate.

…and we’re all out of chocolate.

EA_MAN on September 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM

The First Lazy says “Let them drink water.”

steebo77 on September 23, 2013 at 2:25 PM

“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”

(If you want to pay cash)

Ward Cleaver on September 23, 2013 at 2:14 PM

And provided your doctor still wants to keep you or hasn’t retired from practice.

hawkeye54 on September 23, 2013 at 2:31 PM

The First Lazy says “Let them drink water San Pellegrino.”

steebo77 on September 23, 2013 at 2:25 PM

The First Lazy don’t drink no tap water.

hawkeye54 on September 23, 2013 at 2:33 PM

As Gomer Pyle would say, “Surprise … surprise … surprise.

bw222 on September 23, 2013 at 2:38 PM

I’m currently in nursing school and when my classmates chirp about all the money they will be making when we graduate, I wonder where they have been all this time. Do they even read the news? Don’t they know our salaries will inevitably be pushed down, down, down, if we even manage to get a job?

Thank God I’m studying nursing more as a route into altruistic/missionary service than as a high-paying career choice. I’d be MIGHTY disappointed otherwise.

JoseQuinones on September 23, 2013 at 3:03 PM

An older woman recently told me Obamacare wouldn’t mess with her still seeing her regular doctor…that surely Medicare wouldn’t be affected. Poor dear.

marybel on September 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Obamacare cut $760 billion from Medicare spending (because they needed some way to pay for all those subsidies for Obamacare policies). And then the Democrats lied about it to everybody in sight. But the cuts are still there, and the seniors are still going to feel them.

Meanwhile, the AARP will be making a projected profit of over one billion dollars a year from its endorsements of Medicare-gap policies. Lots more seniors will need these policies now, with all the new Medicare cuts that are on the way.

Seniors have been royally screwed, and most of them still don’t realize it.

AZCoyote on September 23, 2013 at 3:09 PM

njrob on September 23, 2013 at 1:57 PM

If it’s Sandra Bullock imposing it on me, I may have to cheerfully submit.

John the Libertarian on September 23, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Wow, who could have seen this coming?

Chris of Rights on September 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Revelation from the NYT: ObamaCare is going to mean fewer health care choices

I believe it’s what they call a “m-o-n-o-p-o-l-y”, scumbags, and thanks for supporting it!

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 23, 2013 at 3:36 PM

and you have just taken ticket #29856853 as you wait for your $17.99 scoop of vanilla as #41566 is now being served. Be sure to use your smart phone app and they’ll get back to you next week year when your turn comes up.

hawkeye54 on September 23, 2013 at 2:04 PM

The new ObamaCare smart phone app is available free of charge to Obamaphones, and Tea Party members may purchase it for $100.00 payable by cashier’s check payable to Doctor Sebelius.

Steve Z on September 23, 2013 at 3:46 PM

and almost no doctors.

Going to be fun !

stenwin77 on September 23, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Obama”my plan”, just WTF is your plan bo we haven’t seen it yet but we have the reid-bacus-pelosi plan and if it’s like yours it sucks.

tim c on September 23, 2013 at 6:12 PM

look the only reason for ObamaCare is so it can be a huge disaster and on the road to single payer. That will be even worse because now its only the government who will be providing the insurance…

watertown on September 23, 2013 at 6:44 PM

…get ready to die..

KOOLAID2 on September 23, 2013 at 11:11 PM