Possible ObamaCare compromise: Let’s force government employees to fend for themselves on the exchanges

posted at 3:21 pm on September 23, 2013 by Allahpundit

While Ted Cruz and Mike Lee consider their next steps procedurally in the Senate, here’s Rand Paul via Mediaite already preparing Plan B for if/when the “defund” strategy fizzles. Remember how, a few months ago, members of Congress were panicked that their staffers would start quitting en masse this fall thanks to an O-Care rule that Chuck Grassley inserted into the final bill in 2010? The rule required congressional workers to drop their federally subsidized health-care coverage and fend for themselves on ObamaCare’s exchanges just like the rest of the rabble out there. Many staffers wouldn’t be able to afford the loss of subsidies, though; the only way out for some would be to quit and head to K Street or beyond to make a living. Our leader, knowing that he could ill afford any more discontent on the Hill over his pet boondoggle and confident that he can suspend or ignore whichever ObamaCare provisions he chooses, got the Office of Personnel and Management to issue a new regulation stating that subsidies would continue for federal staffers even after they bought a new health-care plan on the exchange. Crisis averted!

Or is it? Here’s Paul suggesting that, in lieu of defunding, one of the things the GOP could insist on in a compromise is making sure all federal employees have to live with O-Care, warts and all. David Vitter introduced a similar bill last week; via David Freddoso, watch Nebraska Senate candidate Ben Sasse below make the same argument in his new ad. The issue may be too small-ball for most defunders’ liking given their ambitions to stop the entire law cold (which won’t happen anyway), but the politics of it would be excruciating for Democrats. Either they agree to the Vitter/Paul amendment and hope that the resulting brain drain among their staffers isn’t too much of a political and logistical nightmare for the Hill’s O-Care supporters, or they oppose it and try to explain to the public why the thought of having to cope with Obama’s big legislative “achievement” without taxpayer subsidies is horrifying. The only hitch here: Can Vitter/Paul get majority support among Republicans? They’re worried about the brain drain too. As much as they’d love to make Democrats squirm by backing this, some of them also petitioned Obama to keep the subsidies flowing to staffers earlier this year. I don’t know if this will get anti-ObamaCare forces any closer to 60 votes than the “defund” bill will.



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Possible ObamaCare compromise: Let’s force government employees to fend for themselves on the exchanges

Urban Elitist will have a conniption.

Schadenfreude on September 23, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Do it.

Twist the knife.

Gatsu on September 23, 2013 at 3:24 PM

O/T: Lois Lerner retires

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on September 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

obama and his clan, the entire congress and their clans, all on it, from to to bottom.

The US is not supposed to be France, under the kings, or Zimbabwe.

Schadenfreude on September 23, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Here’s Paul suggesting that, in lieu of defunding, one of the things the GOP could insist on in a compromise is making sure all federal employees have to live with O-Care, warts and all.

This would have overwhelming popular support.

Unlike shutting down the government.

jaime on September 23, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Not a compromise. Yes, they should be subject to it but I want the mess gone.

Blake on September 23, 2013 at 3:28 PM

The simple fact that ANY exemptions exist for this “law” makes it unconstitutional to begin with.

Why isn’t this angle being pushed as well? How is ObamaCare not able to be challenged under equal protection?

Meople on September 23, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Meanwhile obama will excempt the unions.

Pelosi said so this past weekend.

Schadenfreude on September 23, 2013 at 3:31 PM

The only hitch here: Can Vitter/Paul get majority support among Republicans? They’re worried about the brain drain too.

Well, those Republicans better be prepared to go down hard in their next Senate primary if they side with the Dems on this. Unlike Democrat voters, we actually have standards we hold our elected representatives to.

Doughboy on September 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM

You didn’t know this yesterday…the hour is late, but still…

Schadenfreude on September 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM

This is what should have been going on the least few months. Not stupid talk about defunding. Talk about making everyone in the country fall under the same laws. That might have edged over the LIVs. It is the law of the land and all that.

Johnnyreb on September 23, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Heh

gophergirl on September 23, 2013 at 3:34 PM

O/T: Lois Lerner retires

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on September 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

She s/b fired, with no bennies, and in prison, the scumhag.

Schadenfreude on September 23, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Honestly, it is the very least they can do. Brain drain my ass. But it needs to be iron-clad. NO special treatment for ANY groups. And have the democrats in Congress even considered for a moment how their own health care services and those of their family members are going to be scrutinized going forward? This bill is the death of that party. Having a health crisis, Mr./Mrs. democrat Congressman/Senator? Well, the whole country will be watching to see what kind of care you receive, and how it is paid for. And it had better be the same care Jane and Joe Sixpack are receiving, or your opponent in the next election will have quite a story to tell. Health care for me but not for thee is going to define every democrat in Congress for at least the next decade.

Rational Thought on September 23, 2013 at 3:36 PM

OT: Lois Lerner to retire

cmsinaz on September 23, 2013 at 3:36 PM

I called Mark Udalls office today and asked his staffer if he planned on supporting the House CR or if he was going to shut the government down. He said Udall supports ObamaCare. So then I asked if he thinks ifs fair Udall is exempt but the rest of us aren’t. The staffer replied…..”I’m not allowed to have an opinion”.

Unbelievable.

jawkneemusic on September 23, 2013 at 3:38 PM

There are no brains to be drained.

WhatSlushfund on September 23, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Many staffers wouldn’t be able to afford the loss of subsidies, though;

Ok, this is what I don’t understand, if they don’t get the employer subsidy then they would get the obamacare subsidy just like everyone else according to their income. So why couldn’t they afford it if the rest of us are supposed to be able to?

BeachBum on September 23, 2013 at 3:39 PM

She s/b fired, with no bennies, and in prison, the scumhag.

Schadenfreude on September 23, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Agreed entirely.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on September 23, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Sorry about that twm

cmsinaz on September 23, 2013 at 3:41 PM

O/T: Lois Lerner retires

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on September 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Pretty sure she can still be subpoenaed to appear in front of Congress. And still be tried for any criminal actions, unless she has a get out of jail free card signed by Obama.

Johnnyreb on September 23, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Shut it down. You honestly think we would collapse without an elitist telling us what to do?

Methinks you protest too much.

Turtle317 on September 23, 2013 at 3:43 PM

O/T: Lois Lerner retires

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on September 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

She belongs in jail, but she’ll be rewarded for her loyalty.

Deafdog on September 23, 2013 at 3:43 PM

If there is a large exit or brain drain then look how many job openings there will be.Obama can take credit for that.

docflash on September 23, 2013 at 3:44 PM

If there is a large exit or brain drain then look how many job openings there will be.Obama can take credit for that.

docflash on September 23, 2013 at 3:44 PM

No one with a brain would hire the lazy mooching/looting azzes.

Schadenfreude on September 23, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Oh, and I LOVE Paul’s dig at the Chief Justice. He deserves it. It is looooong overdue that these people in their black robes live under the dreadful laws they pass. Next up should be gun control. I can’t arm myself for protection? Then no armed protection for Supreme Court justices, presidents, members of congress, etc. THEY live under the same laws. Period. And if they break those laws, they suffer the same consequences.

Rational Thought on September 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM

If anybody in this country deserved full justice for treason, its Lois Lerner. Little ribbon round the bottom of her skirt and then stretch her neck!

onomo on September 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM

This is making the broad assumption that the Democrat staffers have a brain to drain. For Democrats, a mind is a terrible thing to waste so they share one.

DAT60A3 on September 23, 2013 at 3:52 PM

I would rather see the government shut down and see how long Federal workers can go without eating.

redguy on September 23, 2013 at 3:54 PM

O/T: Lois Lerner retires

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on September 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

She belongs in jail, but she’ll be rewarded for her loyalty.

Deafdog on September 23, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Probably double-dipping, either as a consultant to the IRS or a lobbyist.

I’ve heard the German government is looking for tourguides for Auschwitz; Lois would be a shoe-in.

slickwillie2001 on September 23, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I really like Rand Paul and think he would make a great president; hopefully, he runs.

However, I am really starting to despise the word “compromise”.
Compromise on a bill that is so bad? Why not just replace it with
a bill that is much better?

Why don’t the conservatives spend the time to come up with something that actually works? God knows, they have had the time
to do it.

I do agree that all government, unions; all Americans should be
on the same plan as everyone else. No silver, gold, platinum
plans for whomever they think deserves elite treatment (usually themselves).

Amjean on September 23, 2013 at 3:58 PM

We should go further: reinstate all the parts of Obamacare that Obama illegally changed without congressional approval. Dems cannot oppose that without admitting that the law is a train wreck.

If this does get passed, the effects will be painful, but that is as it should be. The Dems passed it on their own. They should own all of the fallout, without Obama illegally trimming bits away to mask the pain while the overall framework calcifies.

vizzz on September 23, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Sooo…. where will the brainiacs find jobs?

katy the mean old lady on September 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM

“If John Roberts thinks he can twist the Constitution and make ObamaCare constitutional, he ought to get it.”

Amen!! Along with every other government employee!

oldleprechaun on September 23, 2013 at 4:02 PM

I stand with Ted Cruz on this. I hope that Rand Paul doesn’t act as a spoiler or else he’ll be losing my vote.

Rock on Ted Cruz and Mike Lee!

FloatingRock on September 23, 2013 at 4:03 PM

REPEAL THE OBAMACARE TAX!

iamsaved on September 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM

From Twitter re Lerner:

https://twitter.com/ChadPergram

Chad Pergram ‏@ChadPergram 29m

Hatch Just because Lois Lerner is retiring from the IRS does not mean the investigation is over. Far from it…

Chad Pergram ‏@ChadPergram 36m

Issa says Lois Lerner’s “departure does not answer..questions or diminish the Committee’s interest in hearing her testimony.”

INC on September 23, 2013 at 4:05 PM

BeachBum on September 23, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Because the subsidies are just to bring it up to bronze level coverage (9.5% of salary if you are at I think 150% of poverty level). When you are higher up the income scale, which I presume all of these people are – the subsidy gets lower – it maxes at the 300% level and flatlines to 400% of poverty level I believe.

Everyone is going to understand real well how much their employer has subsidized them. I think the government should make a one time salary adjustment to take into account their being placed into the exchange. Of course it will exclude first the ObamaCare tax penalty to the employer for not providing care, and then there is the whole tax favorability employees usually get, which will disappear.

Yeah – they should experience it good and hard.

Zomcon JEM on September 23, 2013 at 4:06 PM

OH – and the fact that the only provider will be 30 miles outside of DC in the opposite direction of where most of them live.

Zomcon JEM on September 23, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Brain drain…if they all quit (they won’t because they are mostly unemployable elsewhere at what they make now)…but follow through with the fiction…they all quit and the average IQ of Washington DC soars.

teejk on September 23, 2013 at 4:08 PM

If it wasn’t for the fact that we can, and I hope will, defund Obamacare—and then repeal it after ’16—I would agree with Rand that all federal employees, especially Congress and the POTUS, should also be subjects of Obamacare. With regard to the lowly Chief Justice Roberts, I think that we should pass a law that forbids him from accessing anything but Obamacare. Period. If he ever uses any healthcare services not provided by Obamacare he should have to pay a “tax” costing millions of dollars and years in prison.

FloatingRock on September 23, 2013 at 4:09 PM

I want to see all federal employeess, and all federal level politicians have to live under all of the laws/regulations they pass.

dentarthurdent on September 23, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Hey I got a new idea … since Grassley’s amendment got overriden by Obama …

Let’s make a new Grassley amendment! Surely Obama won’t override THAT too!!

Seriously? Am I hearing this correctly? I’m disappointed in Rand right now. Obama doesn’t give a flip what the O-Care law SAYS – he just overrides it. And the GOP hasn’t got the balls to hold his feet to the fire.

So the solution is to pass another law that Obama will simply “ignore” and the GOP will do nothing to enforce?

That’s not a winning plan at all.

HondaV65 on September 23, 2013 at 4:09 PM

“If John Roberts thinks he can twist the Constitution and make ObamaCare constitutional, he ought to get it.”

Amen!! Along with every other government employee!

oldleprechaun on September 23, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Thanks for the quote…I can’t watch videos currently. That certainly is a good point.

cptacek on September 23, 2013 at 4:11 PM

“Possible ObamaCare compromise: Let’s force government employees to fend for themselves on the exchanges”

NOT ENOUGH !!!! – Include Members of Congress (not just the bureauweenies) in the exchanges with NO SUBSIDIES FOR ANY OF THEM and POSTPONE the OBOZOCARE TRAIN WRECK for one year to allow the VERY FEW REPUBS that represent the people to continue to work to defund it and to help elect a total ANTI-OBOZOCARE CONGRESS in 2014.

TeaPartyNation on September 23, 2013 at 4:11 PM

HondaV65 on September 23, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Own him, Obamabuttboy.

katy the mean old lady on September 23, 2013 at 4:12 PM

HondaV65 on September 23, 2013 at 4:09 PM

+1.

FloatingRock on September 23, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Why not just put in an amendment that the President cannot exempt anyone from any provision of Obamacare and put a 10 year criminal penalty on doing so via Executive Order?

Then add in that if the law cannot be run as Congress WROTE IT then the entire LAW in all of its parts is SUSPENDED pending the Executive Branch outlining just what is needed to run the thing?

That ought to run out Obama’s term. It will be on the books but unenforceable pending Executive Branch fully understanding all parts of the bill. All things that depend on the suspended activities are ended until such time as the Executive Branch can come up with a plan that Congress will then have to fund SEPARATELY.

If the Exchanges don’t go online as planned, it is suspended.

If the information security isn’t working, it is suspended.

If it requires more staffing than Congress provided for, it is suspended.

Every ‘i’ must be dotted and every ‘t’ must be crossed and all provisions will apply to EVERYONE.

Force the Democrats to live with what they wrote and wanted or suspend the damned thing indefinitely. At some point the Executive Branch will give up on it, Congress will give up on it, and it will sit as a dead law that can’t work that cannot be enforced. Let it die a slow and lingering death until it fades away completely.

ajacksonian on September 23, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Why not just put in an amendment that the President cannot exempt anyone from any provision of Obamacare and put a 10 year criminal penalty on doing so via Executive Order?

ajacksonian on September 23, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Because who will enforce it, the feckless GOP? Obama and the GOP are committing treason by weapons and aid to Al Qaeda, but who will enforce the laws against treason when the people who are committing the treason are the people charged with enforcing such laws? Where has the enforcement of our immigration laws been all of these years?

We need to support Ted Cruz and Mike Lee and defund Obamacare, not pass a law that the ruling class will ignore and will never be enforced.

FloatingRock on September 23, 2013 at 4:26 PM

…Sounds like Rand Paul is already drawing up surrender papers before the battle has even been joined. Reminds me of Boehner and McConnell.

FloatingRock on September 23, 2013 at 4:28 PM

I think Rand Paul should make up his mind: is he going to ally himself with McConnell or is he going to ally himself with Ted Cruz and Mike Lee?

FloatingRock on September 23, 2013 at 4:31 PM

I think Rand Paul should make up his mind: is he going to ally himself with McConnell or is he going to ally himself with Ted Cruz and Mike Lee?

FloatingRock on September 23, 2013 at 4:31 PM

I think there is little chance that Rand Paul will be voting to fund Obamacare.

besser tot als rot on September 23, 2013 at 4:34 PM

We need to support Ted Cruz and Mike Lee and defund Obamacare, not pass a law that the ruling class will ignore and will never be enforced.

FloatingRock on September 23, 2013 at 4:26 PM

They already pick and choose via funding and enforcement. This suspends the law entirely, so they can’t pick and choose: either do or do not, there is no exemptionland.

Defunding doesn’t take it off the books either. With a suspension there is the requirement that the Executive formulate a plan and that Congress agrees to it… if the argument is against dead laws on the books, then defunding leaves you in the exact, same spot. Suspension requires that Congress work together with the Executive to try and bring things back, not just one branch of the other, but both. Defunded there is still a chance to try and sneak in funding via other routes. Suspended it cannot be funded without an actual and approved plan that both Houses and the Executive agree to.

Defunding is Plan A.

Funding with penalties and suspension is Plan B since no one can say that the law went unfunded, and that it was, indeed, supported that the law must WORK or be suspended. No bottlenecks, no stopping government, Democrats should love this as it funds their pet project… the one that would hate it is Obama who would have the distinction of vetoing the funding of the law named after him.

It won’t happen, of course. It isn’t called the Stupid Party for nothing.

ajacksonian on September 23, 2013 at 4:35 PM

So the solution is to pass another law that Obama will simply “ignore” and the GOP will do nothing to enforce?

That’s not a winning plan at all.

HondaV65 on September 23, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Anything that they can do can be ignored. If Obamacare is defunded, what’s to stop Obama from spending unappropriated money? Certainly not John Roberts.

besser tot als rot on September 23, 2013 at 4:36 PM

The problem is Obama’s illegal waivers and “adjustments” to the law can’t be taken to court until someone pays a fine, which won’t happen until tax filing in 2015 for the tax year 2014. The reason for this is the federal courts don’t get into political disputes, someone must have “standing” to sue, meaning they can show a direct effect on themselves.

It is entirely possible the government employee exemptions by Obama would be overturned, but it is likely the final decision wouldn’t come down until Twerky McStompypants is out of office.

Adjoran on September 23, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Cancel all exemptions and force everyone to obey the law as it is written. And lets see how long it will remain the law of the land.

DDay on September 23, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Add in a delay of the individual mandate and you have a perfect win for the GOP. Defund WILL. NOT. HAPPEN. I don’t know how big of a bong Cruz hit, but Obama will not bow to whatever grass roots pressure Cruz thinks he can muster. Plus you cannot defend defund when they start asking about all those poor people left out in the cold. But DC staffers forced into exchanges and a 1 year delay of the mandate to match the existing delay of the employer mandate? GOP wouldn’t have to defend and could go on the offensive.

Zaggs on September 23, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Cancel all exemptions and force everyone to obey the law as it is written. And lets see how long it will remain the law of the land.

DDay

Excellent idea.

Zaggs on September 23, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Strip out all the special favors given away by the dems and pass the “pure” version of the bill. Nobody is exempt.

Nobody.

Key West Reader on September 23, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Hey I got a new idea … since Grassley’s amendment got overriden by Obama …

Let’s make a new Grassley amendment! Surely Obama won’t override THAT too!!

Seriously? Am I hearing this correctly? I’m disappointed in Rand right now. Obama doesn’t give a flip what the O-Care law SAYS – he just overrides it. And the GOP hasn’t got the balls to hold his feet to the fire.

So the solution is to pass another law that Obama will simply “ignore” and the GOP will do nothing to enforce?

That’s not a winning plan at all.

HondaV65 on September 23, 2013 at 4:09 PM

You voted for the Jackass, so don’t tell us how to fix our party.

slickwillie2001 on September 23, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Plus you cannot defend defund when they start asking about all those poor people left out in the cold.

Zaggs on September 23, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Wrong. We can defend defund because nobody will be left out in the cold except Obamacare cronies. If Obama tries to cut funding for the military, for example, and blame the GOP, then the House will pass a continuing resolution to fund the military. Nobody will be left out in the cold unless the Democrats take indefensible actions to leave people out in the cold.

FloatingRock on September 23, 2013 at 4:58 PM

How about the staffers of anyone who VOTED for Obamacare has to fend for themselves?

SoRight on September 23, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Possible ObamaCare compromise: Let’s force government employees to fend for themselves on the exchanges

Yes, yes, yes! As my plainspeaking brother would say, “bet there’s some fine sphincter reaction” among federal employees over THAT suggestion. A little federal employee medical coverage panic is good for their souls.

marybel on September 23, 2013 at 5:01 PM

HondaV65 on September 23, 2013 at 4:09 PM

You voted for the Jackass, so don’t tell us how to fix our party.

slickwillie2001 on September 23, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Speak for yourself. Honda has made a lot of excellent contributions to the debate hear at HotAir over the years and I always make a point of reading his/her comments when I see them.

FloatingRock on September 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Add in a delay of the individual mandate and you have a perfect win for the GOP. Defund WILL. NOT. HAPPEN. I don’t know how big of a bong Cruz hit, but Obama will not bow to whatever grass roots pressure Cruz thinks he can muster. Plus you cannot defend defund when they start asking about all those poor people left out in the cold. But DC staffers forced into exchanges and a 1 year delay of the mandate to match the existing delay of the employer mandate? GOP wouldn’t have to defend and could go on the offensive.

Zaggs on September 23, 2013 at 4:48 PM

I think that Cruz is basically a caricture. He rubbed me the wrong way from the start.

Agreed it is a good strategy.

Illinidiva on September 23, 2013 at 5:05 PM

I think there is little chance that Rand Paul will be voting to fund Obamacare.

besser tot als rot on September 23, 2013 at 4:34 PM

If Rand votes to defund Obamacare with one side of his face but undermines the effort so it fails with the other side of his face, which would please his ally McConnell, my alliance with Rand will be coming to a close.

FloatingRock on September 23, 2013 at 5:07 PM

I called Mark Udalls office today and asked his staffer if he planned on supporting the House CR or if he was going to shut the government down. He said Udall supports ObamaCare. So then I asked if he thinks ifs fair Udall is exempt but the rest of us aren’t. The staffer replied…..”I’m not allowed to have an opinion”.

Unbelievable.

jawkneemusic on September 23, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Yeah, Udall is my guy too. What a loser. I’ve tried to contact him several times and only get a form letter, usually off topic.
I think his picture is in the dictionary next to the word “coward”. I don’t bother anymore, so I have no representation in this state.

chewydog on September 23, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Compromise, my a$$. Burn the bastard down.

Midas on September 23, 2013 at 5:25 PM

The only hitch here: Can Vitter/Paul get majority support among Republicans? They’re worried about the brain drain too.

There aren’t that many ‘brains’ in Washington. Otherwise we wouldn’t be dealing with ObamaCare.

They’d better worry more about being kicked out of office if they don’t support the legislation.

GarandFan on September 23, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Every federal employee (from the President down to passport clerks), public employee retiree (hello Bill Clinton) and every union member. Guild members too! Every ABA lawyer, every SAG actor, every movie writer, producer, sound people, casting agents and every other artists guild member. Screw ‘em– they wanted this, so they should go first. Let other Americans get a pass for a year while these people work the “kinks” out of our new tyranny.

MTF on September 23, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Or is it? Here’s Paul suggesting that, in lieu of defunding, one of the things the GOP could insist on in a compromise is making sure all federal employees have to live with O-Care, warts and all. David Vitter introduced a similar bill last week; via David Freddoso, watch Nebraska Senate candidate Ben Sasse below make the same argument in his new ad.

What is wrong with Rand/Vitter & Sasse???? How in the H will that help the American people????

These politicos will do anything and everything instead of making a frontal assault on this disaster.

Compromise is just another word for surrender Paul!!

What kind of compromise does he have for Amnesty?; Gun Control?

Let’s just compromise our Freedoms & Bill of Rights away and accept these Unconstitutional policies, right Paul?

bluefox on September 23, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Worried about the “brain drain”, are they? Simple solution to that issue: require that every registered lobbyist also be a registered ObamaCare victim, and that can be their only medical plan.

Make Governor Leavitt first, the idiot donkey advisor to Romney trying to get rich off Zerocare.

MTF on September 23, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Possible ObamaCare compromise: Let’s force government employees to fend for themselves on the exchanges

Besides, does anyone think that this ‘compromise’ would be honored? FFS, the *law* itself has language that specifically inserted in there to *ensure* that Congress and their people *had* to abide by the law as well.

And now we’re talking about this ‘compromise’ *because* they weaseled around the wording of *the law* itself.

I’m sure they would *never* weasel around the compromise that was necessary only because they weaseled out of the law itself to begin with… right? /

Like so much other bullshit, this is just a ‘throw the peasants a bone and make them think they’re special’ move – once everyone’s satisfied and looking the other way, they’ll no more be a part of the plan than they are with the exemptions they have now.

Midas on September 23, 2013 at 5:30 PM

They’d better worry more about being kicked out of office if they don’t support the legislation.

GarandFan on September 23, 2013 at 5:25 PM

I agree. Losing their seat is the only thing they fear.

bluefox on September 23, 2013 at 5:31 PM

I can see it now; “Ok, Congress and staffers – you’re now all on the exact same plan as the rest of the American peasants – I mean, people. Now when they ask, you can affirm for them that this is absolutely true.”

“In addition, however, you also have a supplemental plan – paid for entirely by the taxpayers, by the way – that allows you do see any doctor you want, for anything you need, at any time. So… feel free to not actually use your taxpayer subsidized Obamacare/quack-shack docs if you don’t want to!”

Midas on September 23, 2013 at 5:34 PM

forcing Federal employees and elected officials onto obamacare is a win/win; there is no sensible argument they can make to defend themselves

RAND 2016

burserker on September 23, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Brain Drain? No one EVER quits a government job. What a bunch of BS! Our government is SCREWING US!

birdwatcher on September 23, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Brain Drain? No one EVER quits a government job. What a bunch of BS! Our government is SCREWING US!

birdwatcher on September 23, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Exactly. In private industry companies determine the sufficiency of their compensation package my measuring turnover rate. A small turnover rate is seen as health, above that number you may have a problem. There are HR consultants that specialize in this.

A turnover rate of nearly-nil in the federal government tells me that they are overpaid.

slickwillie2001 on September 23, 2013 at 6:14 PM

I think that Cruz is basically a caricture. He rubbed me the wrong way from the start.

Illinidiva on September 23, 2013 at 5:05 PM

A caricature of what? A politician with a spine? Someone who isn’t wishy-washy-can’t-we-all-just-get-along?

Wendya on September 23, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Short of defunding, my minimum requirements:

- All government employees must participate.

- All changes must be approved by congress (i.e. no unilateral changes by Obama).

- A vote must be taken on defunding (i.e. everyone on record).

Any others?

GCM on September 23, 2013 at 6:45 PM

HondaV65 on September 23, 2013 at 4:09 PM

You voted for the Jackass, so don’t tell us how to fix our party.

slickwillie2001 on September 23, 2013 at 4:58 PM

So where is the flaw in Honda’s reasoning, both now and then?

Do you seriously think Mittness would be doing anything to defend, suspend or end ObamneyCare now? If anything, the GOPe would jerk the chokechain and force all conservatives to heel and cement in ObamneyCare for the good of the party. The donks would just sit back and nitpick from the sidelines, confident that the GOPe will wholeheartedly tow the progressive line for them.

AH_C on September 23, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Haven’t read all the comments, but I have a simpler idea: let’s just have them follow the Constitution; we shouldn’t need a vote for that. No President has the right to ignore the enforcement of a law for political reasons (all seem to agree on that). I personally doubt that he has that right for laws he deems unconstitutional (but some would disagree). This special deal for congress (as with many others) is purely political. Obama needs to be opposed on ALL of them.

tngmv on September 23, 2013 at 8:34 PM

I think Rand Paul should make up his mind: is he going to ally himself with McConnell or is he going to ally himself with Ted Cruz and Mike Lee?

FloatingRock on September 23, 2013 at 4:31 PM

…better be…the later!

KOOLAID2 on September 23, 2013 at 11:07 PM

The government rams obamacare down our throat in 2013 and come 2014 we will shove it up their arse. They gave us this crap and its about time they get to see just what is inside that daXm box as rest of us will. If their staffers who were the brains behind obamacare leave then that should say it all about just how screwed up our government is.

stuartm80127 on September 24, 2013 at 1:22 AM

Can’t wait to see Killary try to distance herself from Ocare. She’s been out trying to lay the groundwork already saying she doesn’t always agree with prezzy red line. There’s a lot of good advice on this page. Too bad our elected leaders can’t come up with an all of the above policy to protect us from this Obamination.

Kissmygrits on September 24, 2013 at 9:30 AM

So, conservatives are complaining that, under Obamacare, employers will cease to provide employee health care, and dump their employees onto the exchanges. Their solution to this is to…cease to provide health care for Federal employees and dump them onto the exchanges.

Will the Federal government have to pay a penalty, given that it employs more than 50 people, or was that accounted for in Grassley’s amendment?

Mr. Arkadin on September 24, 2013 at 5:47 PM