Plan B for immigration reformers: Let’s “compromise” by legalizing millions of illegals without citizenship

posted at 8:01 pm on September 23, 2013 by Allahpundit

Since day one of this process, the big gripe of immigration hawks is that the border needs to be secured before any form of legalization takes place, not just citizenship. Realistically, once some sort of legal status has been granted, it’ll never be revoked; the politics of doing so will simply be too hard, especially as we get closer to 2016. Grant probationary legal status to illegals today and you will, assuredly, end up placing them on a citizenship track sooner or later due to political pressure. That being so, the only leverage amnesty opponents have is to withhold legalization entirely until meaningful security improvements have been made. This was, if you remember, the core problem with Rubio’s Gang of Eight bill in the Senate: Schumer et al. kept talking about using border security as a trigger for citizenship down the road, but citizenship was never the key concern. Initial legalization is. And the Gang, including Rubio, never backed off their plan to grant that legalization right away, before the border was secure.

So now here come amnesty fans, frustrated at the lack of progress in the House, with a steal of a deal for hawks: Instead of insisting on a path to citizenship, they’re going to be sports and insist only on … initial legalization instead. Second look at amnesty?

Frustrated by inaction in the House, advocates of a broad overhaul of immigration law are considering whether to compromise on a core demand—that the nation’s 11 million illegal immigrants be offered a pathway to citizenship…

Under this idea, people here illegally would be allowed to live and work in the U.S., and could then apply for green cards, which are hard to obtain but serve as a prelude to citizenship. The bill passed by the Senate this year would make most of the 11 million people here illegally eligible for green cards—or legal permanent residency—after a set period of time, which automatically gives someone the chance to apply for citizenship.

“How many of the 11 million would take this deal rather than nothing?” asked Tamar Jacoby, president of ImmigrationWorks USA, a business group that backs an immigration overhaul. At a forum last week, she challenged Republicans to offer this deal and Democrats to accept it.

“How will Democrats who reject this deal explain themselves to Latino voters?” she asked.

In other words, amnesty fans aren’t even giving up on a path to citizenship. They’re giving up on the idea of a new (or “special”) path to citizenship created by Congress to specifically facilitate the new amnesty. Illegals, under the “compromise” proposal, would still be eligible for citizenship via existing channels. And guess what? Very conveniently, House Republicans have been sour on a special path to citizenship for ages. Essentially, reform advocates are offering to make a tangential concession on something that had zero hope of passing the House in the first place in exchange for Republicans meeting their core demand. The only sucker big enough to accept a deal that bad is Barack Obama if it was being pitched by Vladimir Putin.

Or have I spoken too soon?

[Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob] Goodlatte, whose committee oversees immigration legislation, has said he is open to granting legal status to otherwise law-abiding undocumented immigrants. He and Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) are reportedly working on a bill that would grant such status to young people who were brought to the country illegally by their parents.

However, Goodlatte has said he does not support a “special path” that would give immigrants who broke the law to enter the country preferential treatment over other foreigners in pursuing citizenship. Once granted legal status, those immigrants could apply for citizenship through existing channels, Goodlatte has said.

“A lot comes down to nuance,” said an aide to another GOP House member, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk on the record. “A ‘special pathway’ is a term a lot of Republicans don’t like.”

“A lot comes down to nuance.” Is that how they’re eventually going to pitch the big legalization sellout to grassroots conservatives, as a “nuanced” victory because the final bill omitted a path to citizenship that amnesty fans didn’t much care about anyway? If this is what’s coming in the House, we desperately need big-name amnesty opponents in Congress to raise the alarm about the legalization/citizenship bait-and-switch. Unfortunately, there may not be any big-name opponents left.

The only saving grace of the “compromise” plan is that, under current law, the feds give out relatively few green cards each year, which means the number of newly legalized illegals who end up getting one (and then applying for citizenship) should be comparatively small — unless Congress also changes the law to make green cards much more freely available. I wonder if that’ll be the next big legislative push by immigration advocates once the legalization bill passes. Exit quotation: “Frank Sharry, who leads the advocacy group America’s Voice and supports a broad overhaul of immigration laws, said he could support legislation with that sort of structure if Congress made more green cards available.”


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Yeah, let’s have a legal helot class in the United States.

That will work.

It’s like ObamaCare – which is designed to fail, and throw us into single-payer.

This is designed to fail, and throw us into amnesty.

Realist on September 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Let’s move on to Plan C already…

de rigueur on September 23, 2013 at 8:07 PM

This is Sarah Palin’s plan, in fact.

See the transcript from Bill O’Reilly’s show.

rightwingyahooo on September 23, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Which shows you how utterly broken the R party is, btw..

rightwingyahooo on September 23, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Actually-my husband supports that idea. I’m more of a ‘ secure the border and deport all of them’ sort of person.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 23, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Instead of insisting on a path to citizenship, they’re going to be sports and insist only on … initial legalization instead. Second look at amnesty?

No.

The status quo is preferable to legalization of any kind, and border enforcement plus deportation (i.e. enforcing existing law) is even better still.

Any talk of “compromise” when it comes to enforcing existing law is folly. Obama is duty-bound to enforce the law per his oath of office. A refusal to carry out his responsibilities incurs no responsibility on our part to lessen those duties or reward lawbreakers.

Stoic Patriot on September 23, 2013 at 8:09 PM

We need 10-30 million new unskilled laborers like we need another Obama term as president.

If the rino’s think we’re too dumb to see right through this BS, they best be prepared to be primaried big time.

But of course by then it will be too late.

Oxymoron on September 23, 2013 at 8:11 PM

I prefer this plan B for immigration reform

http://www.planbonestep.com/

Mark1971 on September 23, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Legalizing illegals is giving aid and comfort to an invading enemy. IT. IS. TREASON.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 23, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Any legalization will lead to permanent citizenship almost immediately.

Enforce the laws, except no one, and if we never get them deported, they can die here in the US as illegals.

rightwingyahooo on September 23, 2013 at 8:13 PM

that being so, the only leverage amnesty opponents have is to withhold legalization entirely until meaningful security improvements have been made. This was, if you remember, the core problem.

Like hell it is. They broke the law and they steal jobs. Milk welfare, break more laws.

Millions more coming over doing the same is related, but not the “core” issue, and only leverage.

Enforcing the law is the core issue.

wolly4321 on September 23, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Goodlatte has said he does not support a “special path” that would give immigrants who broke the law to enter the country preferential treatment over other foreigners in pursuing citizenship. Once granted legal status, those immigrants could apply for citizenship through existing channels, Goodlatte has said.

Once you give illegal aliens “legal status” — meaning the legal right to remain in the U.S. — you’ve already given them “preferential treatment over other foreigners” who’ve obeyed the law and waited, in their own countries, for their U.S. visas.

Goodlatte obviously wants to encourage more illegal immigration to the U.S. Otherwise, why would he be advocating that we reward illegal aliens for thumbing their noses at our laws?

Virginia, you already have hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens living in your state, most of them low-income, low-skilled types. Are you really interested in having more of them? If not, call or write Goodlatte and tell him to stop with this idiocy.

AZCoyote on September 23, 2013 at 8:14 PM

I’m real stinking tired of DC in all the political stripes. Bending their words and their votes to whatever mood in the wind that their pollsters smell.

There are a few that seem to not, but the growing cynic in me questions their motives as well.

A pox on the whole lot.

SteveInRTP on September 23, 2013 at 8:17 PM

So now here come amnesty fans Democrats and other progressives, frustrated at the lack of progress in the House, with a steal of a deal for hawks: Instead of insisting on a path to citizenship, they’re going to be sports and insist only on … initial legalization instant amnesty, automatic citizenship, and immediate registration as Democratic voters instead.

Can’t we at least be honest about who they are and what they want? And I don’t mean the illegals.

clear ether

eon

eon on September 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM

If Schumer is involved the Republicans will get snookered again.

iamsaved on September 23, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Plan A: NO

PLAN B: HE11 NO

Enforce the law.

Punish Sanctuary Cities.

ZERO services… public or private, to any non-citizen without proper documentation.

CPT. Charles on September 23, 2013 at 8:23 PM

The “core issue” is the Feds breaking the law by not enforcing the law. The law is the leverage.

Enforce the law, and border security becomes somewhat less troublesome.

You ain’t coming here if you know you can’t get a job, freebies, and as soon as we find you we are shipping your azz back.

It’s called It’s.The.Law.

wolly4321 on September 23, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Are other criminals given a compromise situation too? I hate demorats and their bullshiite, and I’m starting to hate the GOP just as much.

Bishop on September 23, 2013 at 8:27 PM

having trouble paying bills right now, can I rob a bank if I promise to never do it again?
why not?

dmacleo on September 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Actually yea, other criminals are given compromise situations.

Get your point, but just sayin’

wolly4321 on September 23, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Who’s that senator on the left?

Akzed on September 23, 2013 at 8:35 PM

There is already a pathway to either green card or citizenship. Enforce the rules.

There are laws on the books regarding entry. Enforce those laws.

There are laws on the books regarding hiring. Enforce those laws.

There is budgetary funding for building the fence. Build the stinking fence.

E-verify has been in place since the early 2000′s. Require 100% employer compliance. (If that can’t be done, neither can Obamacare mandates.)

socalcon on September 23, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Amnesty fans are ‘frustrated’?

Meh. Life is short, then you die.

socalcon on September 23, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Meh. Life is short, then you die.

socalcon on September 23, 2013 at 8:38 PM

It’s not nearly short enough for these dirtbags.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 23, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Illegal Immigration Is on the Rise:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/23/20661666-as-economy-rebounds-illegal-immigration-on-the-rise?lite

Although I seriously doubt it ever declined.

bw222 on September 23, 2013 at 8:42 PM

‘Plan B’ for Marco Rubio and his AMNESTY pushers:

AMNESTY ( the same as ‘Plan A’ ) – they are stuck on stupid.

Pork-Chop on September 23, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Any legalization will lead to permanent citizenship almost immediately.

rightwingyahooo on September 23, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Very true. It won’t be long before a leftist judge declares the law “unconstitutional.”

bw222 on September 23, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Do they think we’re ALL stupid? Okay yes, they know the low-info types are, but that leaves more than half the country who know what they’re up to and don’t want it.

Alabama Infidel on September 23, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Republicans do this and they will guarantee the creation of the Tea Party as an independent third party.

Why vote Republican if this is what they deliver to conservatives?

MichaelGabriel on September 23, 2013 at 8:52 PM

This is the same amnesty with a different name and no one is fooled. Any legalization before enforcement is in place is completely unacceptable that will simply lead to more illegals. I’ve already called GOP leadership and told them there can be no amnesty while law abiding citizens continue to lose their jobs.

Hera on September 23, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Any legalization before enforcement is in place is completely unacceptable

Hera on September 23, 2013 at 8:56 PM

If you have enforcement, then you can’t legalize illegals. This is not a matter of doing something BEFORE legalizing the illegals. Ther ecan be no legalization of illegals. Period. Otherwise, there is no such thing as “enforcement”, at all.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 23, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Serf Class – Un-American.

VorDaj on September 23, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Any legalization before enforcement is in place is completely unacceptable

Hera on September 23, 2013 at 8:56 PM

No legalization of any kind is acceptable.

rightwingyahooo on September 23, 2013 at 9:02 PM

“A lot comes down to nuance,”

When someone in Washington says that, the translation is “Stand by for BULLSHIT!”

1986 – “There will be no more amnesty. We will secure our borders!”

2013 – “Trust us!”

Here’s an answer for the Washington crowd in a language they can understand: NO MAS!

GarandFan on September 23, 2013 at 9:06 PM

YES!

unclesmrgol on September 23, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Whatever happen to secure the border first? I remember McCain saying during his last re-election campaign that now he gets it, secure border first. Now that he’s been re-elected that’s forgotten – it’s legalization first & foremost. Got to pander to the Latino vote.

Legalization is essentially the whole ball game: legal status will then be practically inevitable. These lying senators always play citizens for fools – evidently too many are, as they know.

Chessplayer on September 23, 2013 at 9:21 PM

here’s what the left is all about:

Once Congress approves an immigration increase, minorities should demand more, said Chicago Democratic Rep. Luis Gutierrez, a leading advocate of the pending Senate bill,

“The next day after we pass it, you know we’re not going to be satisfied, we’re going to come back,” he said. “We’re going to have a civil rights act, we’re going to have a voting rights act… Nobody is leaving this fight once we conclude this first chapter,” he said.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/20/acorns-former-chief-calls-for-more-immigration-to-boost-black-power/#ixzz2flj9QFM8

ACORN’s former CEO Bertha Lewis urged Africans-Americans to support increased immigration as a strategy to gain political power.

“We got some Latino cousins, we got some Asian cousins, we got some Native-American cousins, we got all kind of cousins,” said Lewis, who spoke Thursday at the annual political conference of the Congressional Black Caucus.

“Cousins need to get together because if we’re going to be [part of the non-white] majority, it makes sense for black people in this country to get down with immigration reform,” said Lewis, whose ACORN group was formally disbanded in 2010 after a series of scandals.

not that there’s full agreement…mainstream black caucus people aren’t so sure

r keller on September 23, 2013 at 9:23 PM

…spit…

KOOLAID2 on September 23, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Look at those four imbeciles — these people are your political leaders, America.

Good grief.

Jaibones on September 23, 2013 at 10:31 PM

What’s the hold up? I thought Americans overwhelmingly supported amnesty, so why haven’t these republicans passed it already?

xblade on September 23, 2013 at 10:40 PM

I used to think that we would be killed by “Political Correctness”. Now I think it’s more likely to be “Nuance”.

bofh on September 23, 2013 at 11:34 PM

First, let’s note that “securing the border,” while definitely important and necessary, is only a small part of the required “enforcement” actions that must be part of reform. Far more illegals get here by overstaying legal entries – expired green cards, student visas, and tourist visas, or just not returning from legal day trips. The day trippers are a tough problem, but we can and must institute better tracking of temporary visas.

Additionally, e-Verify has been shown to work and could be implemented nationally in less than two years, not the ten the Gang of 8 envisioned. It almost completely eliminates the problem of using false IDs & SS or Tax ID #s, and severely restricts the ability of illegals to work.

I suspect this phony compromise was always the fall-back position, but there is little to worry about now from a logistical POV. We have the budget and the debt ceiling battles coming up, to be swiftly followed by the holidays and then suddenly it’s an election year and not much is going to move.

Of course, anyone willing to trust a Democrat, especially Schumer, at any time or on any subject, is in dire need of a hard slap to the face.

Adjoran on September 24, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Can someone please point me to the aspect here where the currently illegals once3 made legal will not have a path to citizenship? Anyone? Bueller, Bueller, … Bueller, Anyone?

astonerii on September 24, 2013 at 7:51 AM

“A lot comes down to nuance.” Is that how they’re eventually going to pitch the big legalization sellout to grassroots conservatives, as a “nuanced” victory because the final bill omitted a path to citizenship that amnesty fans didn’t much care about anyway?

Okay, here’s some nuance for ya’. I am not contributing ANYTHING to the Republican Party. Apparently withholding money is the only way to get their attention.

olesparkie on September 24, 2013 at 7:53 AM

Some compromise. Libs get 95% of what they want, cons get 0% of what they want.

This has been the liberal idea of compromise for the last 100 years. How many times do we have to fall for it?

Chris of Rights on September 24, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Here’s a novel idea….How about we:

o ENFORCE the existing Immigration Law

o Revoke Obama’s instruction to the DOJ not to arrest, detain, charge, convict, and/or jail any Illegal for ANY CRIME LESS THAN A FELONY – a new ‘right’ created for Illegal, criminals here in the United States, giving them carte blanche to engage in any criminal activity against the citizens of the United States without fear of arrest/prosecution

o Aggressively ensure they aren’t illegally hired

o Don’t give them US Driver’s licenses or any other benefits/rights created/that exist for American citizens

o (Worth Repeating) ENFORCE EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAWS

easyt65 on September 24, 2013 at 8:59 AM

We all know how this works. As soon as 11 million illegal aliens are given legal status, Chuck Shumer and John McCain will run to the nearest camera and whine about those poor people who are legal citizens, but aren’t allowed to vote.

cajunpatriot on September 24, 2013 at 9:05 AM

We all know how this works. As soon as 11 million illegal aliens are given legal status, Chuck Shumer and John McCain will run to the nearest camera and whine about those poor people who are legal citizens, but aren’t allowed to vote.

“Cajonpatriot” is exactly right. Democrats would regard “legalization but not citizenship” as only a temporary status to be changed to citizenship at the first time they can do so. Meanwhile, Obama will refuse to enforce the law denying citizenship and immigration advocacy groups will use the legal system to stymie any attempt to control the border such as e-verify. In addition, Obama will do everything possible to render the Border Patrol and ICE impotent. It wold be suicide for Republicans to accept this “compromise.”

ptolemy on September 24, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Stupid Republicans. Instead of fighting for these “new votes”, the GOP should be finding ways to get votes from loyal Democrats. I know that the Black Caucus hates this deal. I know that legalizing these individuals will only make job security a thing of the past. And the unemployment rate for blacks, which stands at 13% will not recede in the future.
The GOP need to make a point that the Democrats take use the blacks for their votes only. They don’t care about their needs or politics. (Take Prop 8 in California where a majority of blacks rejected same-sex marriage.)
It’ time for the GOP to stop worrying about “new voters” and worry about existing Americans. That will be the message that gets a Republican back into the White House.

djaymick on September 24, 2013 at 10:47 AM

When will these pandering Republicans emerge from whatever Hispanic butt they have crawled into to realize their base-you know,the ones that fund them and vote for them-just don’t want any amnesty at all.Just say no!

redware on September 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

So where’s Cruz now?

HB3 on September 24, 2013 at 1:11 PM