Open thread: Sunday morning talking heads

posted at 8:01 am on September 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

A dilemma for ObamaCare-defunders this morning: Watch Mike Lee on “Meet the Press” and tape Ted Cruz on “Fox News Sunday” or vice versa? Karl Rove’s slated to be on FNS too, possibly in the same segment as Cruz, to argue against a shutdown in the name of defunding, so maybe that’s the tiebreaker.

If you’re tired of the budget battles, Wayne LaPierre will also be on MTP to talk about the Navy Yard shooting and the gun-rights movement’s big recall victory in Colorado. The full line-up is at Politico.


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i love how the lsm only brings on dems to talk about the woes of the gop and how cruz and 40 other gop are taking the party HOSTAGE…

puhleeze

over/under, how many times are we going to hear hostage this am,especially from the lsm anchors this am?

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 8:07 AM

So Allah,what do we do if we are tired of the Gun control debate?
Bout time the conversation turns to mental health!

Neal4007 on September 22, 2013 at 8:14 AM

cruz doesn’t speak for the gop
-some rino on msdnc

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 8:19 AM

How do you intend to proceed Ted Cruz. Will not every death in the entire US then be blamed on you! How courageous you are. You are not alone…we can hear you!

justonevictory on September 22, 2013 at 8:19 AM

gop is running the gov’t by crisis-
-some lib hack on msdmc

pot…kettle there bub
1/3 of 1 branch idiot

the revisionist are already blaming the gop for the sequester which was created by dear leader….

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 8:21 AM

gop leads by crisis
-some lib hack on msdnc

the revisionis are already blaming the gop for creating the sequester…..
idiots on parade

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 8:23 AM

ooops

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Don’t let the socialist, the Marxist, the RINOs tell you that the house GOP can’t stop Marxist care because they can, but most of the GOP house doesn’t want too. If they never fund it then it never gets implemented. Yeah the rest of the government shuts down, but who cares that’s a good thing and the longer the better.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Go Cruz Go!!

Bring the government to a complete shutdown!!!

dddave on September 22, 2013 at 8:30 AM

we need to listen to christie and jeb instead of paul and cruz
-lib hack

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 8:37 AM

apparently everything is hunky dory in the dem party and all the trouble belongs in the gop party cuz thats all the lsm will talk about…

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 8:39 AM

“A dilemma for ObamaCare-defunders this morning:”
This sounds as if you don’t support defunding Obamacare, it also helps to perpetuate the “us – highbrow vs the them-hayseed” mentality.

Amadeus on September 22, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Bill O’reilly has weighed in night after night insisting we are all fools. Obamacare he says will NEVER be defunded or overturned. He is bloviating for that much sought after suck up interview with “the one”, along with Chris Christie throwing himself shamelessly at the feet of his God and idol Springsteen.

justonevictory on September 22, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Sultan Knish (Dan Greenfield) has a few nuggets worth considering this morning.

…king who liked to talk to trees, it believes that government power comes before individual liberty. Like that dead king, it believes that it means this for the benefit of the peasants who will be better off being told what to do.

The question is the old elemental one about government control and individual agency. And tragedies like the one that just happened take us back to the equally old question of whether individual liberty is a better defense against human evil than the entrenched organizations of government.

Do we want a society run by kings and princes who commit atrocities according to a plan for a better society, or by peasants with machine guns? The kings can promise us a world without evil, but the peasant with a machine gun promises us that we can protect ourselves from evil when it comes calling.

It isn’t really guns that the gun controllers are afraid of; it’s a country where individual agency is still superior to organized control, where the trains don’t run on time and orders don’t mean anything. It’s afraid of individual power.Evil finds heavy firepower appealing, but the firepower works both ways.

A world where the peasants have assault rifles is a world where peasant no longer means a man without any rights. And while it may also mean the occasional brutal shooting spree, those sprees tend to happen in the outposts of utopia, the gun-free zones with zero tolerance for firearms. An occasional peasant may go on a killing spree, but a society where the peasants are all armed is also far more able to stop such a thing without waiting for the men-at-arms to be dispatched from the castle.

An armed society spends more time stopping evil than contemplating it. It is the disarmed society that is always contemplating it as a thing beyond its control.Helpless people must find something to think about while waiting for their kings and princes to do something about the killing. Instead of doing something about it themselves, they blame the freedom that left the killer free to kill, instead of the lack of freedom that prevented them from being able to stop him.

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 8:48 AM

justonevictory on September 22, 2013 at 8:48 AM

pathetic ain’t it

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 8:50 AM

very pathetic indeed!

justonevictory on September 22, 2013 at 8:51 AM

. . . . . . . in other news … George Soros was remarried (3rd time) yesterday !
.
. . . . . . . (insert sound of crickets chirping, HERE) . . . . . .
.

listens2glenn on September 22, 2013 at 8:58 AM

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Your opinion only reflects that of a fringe minority. Most working Americans including our military men and women will be adversely affected by a government shutdown. And these are the people who decide elections.

loveofcountry on September 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM

here is the talking point of the day starting with pelosi
THE GOP WANT TO SHUT DOWN THE GOV’T

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM

some in the gop are legislative arsonists
-pelosi

you got that right nancy…LET IT BURN

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Of course that is what our military stands for…..freedom! A temporary shutdown will absolutely confirm the will of the people and the very reason they sacrifice their sacred honor!

justonevictory on September 22, 2013 at 9:07 AM

the bill is not implemented yet
-pelosi

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Your opinion only reflects that of a fringe minority. Most working Americans including our military men and women will be adversely affected by a government shutdown. And these are the people who decide elections.

loveofcountry on September 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM

And your opinion only reflects brainwashing by the LSM. But sadly too many like yourself fall for the brainwashing.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 9:11 AM

the gop is at war with the gov’t
-pelosi

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 9:12 AM

the democrats have the winning message
-donna brazille

lol

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 9:14 AM

EXCLUSIVE: Palin — Bombs Away on Obamacare; Cruz Is over the Target

Americans who are fed up with Obamacare won a victory yesterday. The House voted to defund Obamacare while still funding the federal government to avoid a “devastating” shutdown. (I shall not digress, but it’s beyond distressing to hear liberals try to convince Americans that any government slowdown is comparable to “terrorism.”)

Now the battle goes to the Senate, and we’ll find out if Harry Reid is so committed to the horrendous “Un-affordable Care Act” that he’ll be the one to shut down the government to fund the unworkable Obamacare.

Let’s be clear. Republicans in Congress aren’t advocating a government shutdown. That’s why they voted in the House to fully fund our bureaucracy while defunding Obamacare. The conservatives in Congress are listening to the majority of Americans who do not want Obamacare.

Following the will of the people is apparently a novel idea in D.C. these days. Just ask Senator Ted Cruz and his liberty-loving posse on Capitol Hill who have led the charge to defund Obama’s train wreck.

Those of us who hang in there supporting a major political party with our energy, time, and contributions would like to believe that that party would praise principled conservatives like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee for following through on campaign promises. We’d like to believe that the GOP establishment would applaud the way these bold leaders have rallied the grassroots to their cause. But, no, such praise would require a commensurate level of guts and leadership, and the permanent political class in D.C. is nothing if not gutless and rudderless. ……

….Those who aren’t part of a protected special interest group have been left in the cold.

When you’re living on a fixed income, having to pay hundreds of dollars more each month for health care will cut into your ability to pay for basic necessities like food, electricity, or gas (which has increased 90% under Obama). Open your eyes, America. When the full reality of Obamacare strikes home, we’ll thank God that principled leaders like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee took a stand to stop it in its tracks.

But the permanent political class is handwringing and howling that if there’s a government shutdown the media will blame Republicans for it. Here’s a little newsflash, GOP establishment: Whenever anything bad happens, the media blames Republicans for it. That’s not an excuse to roll over and play dead. It’s a call to follow the advice I give my daughters: Woman up, stand your ground, and fight like a girl!

I want no pity. I need no empathy. But use me as a barometer. Over the years, the leftwing media has falsely and irrationally accused me of everything from faking a pregnancy to abetting murder. They lie. Deal with it.

Republicans in Congress support funding the government. If the Democrats block these funding measures, a government shutdown is on them. In the meantime, stop the ridiculous hysterics. Heck, about the most significant thing that happened during the last government shutdown was Clinton hooked up with Monica……

…Hang in there, Ted and Mike. You have millions of supporters among ordinary hardworking Americans. We support you because you don’t shy away from the fray. May your colleagues in the Senate gain the wisdom to support your excellent efforts so that you can see that the view is better from inside the bus than under it.

Oh, and a little reminder to Republican senators up for re-election in 2014: Moose season ends soon, allowing more time on one’s hands. So, we’ll be watching your votes very carefully this week.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 9:18 AM

. Most working Americans

loveofcountry on September 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM

How so?

CW on September 22, 2013 at 9:19 AM

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 9:18 AM

excellent

queue the lib outrage in 5..4…3.

heh

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 9:22 AM

our military men and women
loveofcountry on September 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Your faux concern is duly noted.

CW on September 22, 2013 at 9:23 AM

. in other news … George Soros was remarried (3rd time) yesterday !
. . . . . . . (insert sound of crickets chirping, HERE) . . . . . .
.

listens2glenn on September 22, 2013 at 8:58 AM

The Judge that officiated was none other than Kimba Wood. She is the Federal Judge who had to withdraw her name as Clinton’s Attorney General because she hired an illegal alien and who filed for divorce claiming her husband withheld sex. Turns out she was having an affair with a millionaire, financier at the time.

All of these political relationships seem incestuous.

Vince on September 22, 2013 at 9:23 AM

…I will have to watch Cruz and Lee…the rest…can take a pee !

KOOLAID2 on September 22, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Shutting down the government?

Why the hell not?

Pay for essential services (defense, air traffic control, border security, and so forth) and stop funding the rest of it…a few weeks, a couple months…longer? Why not?

It has happened before, not recently, though, and back then there were thousands of predictions of woe, warfare in the streets, millions dying of hunger without their food stamps and such, enemies attacking in the middle of the day instead of in the dead of night, the usual pap. None of it happened.

We do not have a problem with our balance sheet because government takes in not enough…but because “government” spends too much.

Borrows too much.

Owes too much.

And wants to spend more.

Try that with your family budget sometime.

Then check out your credit rating as you plan for yet another garage sale to pay the mortgage.

The last couple times Congress caved in to Obama’s demands?

Remember those?

The White House “promised” to get things in line, offer a reasonable budget, curtail spending…and when Obama would not, could not, do that…then Obama came up with sequestration….remember?

Tell the alcoholic not another drop…not no more…none…and suck it…too bad…you choose to drink. You can choose not to. Millions and millions do it daily. And if you get the shakes, the DT’s, start seeing pink elephants flying around the room…it’ll pass. Deal with it.

Simple message to Congress.

And…going on six years without a federal budget?

Why?

If Obama can give away hundreds and hundreds of millions to Palestine, Pakistan, Egypt, and every other basket case around the world on a whim, spending our money on Africa vacations, flying around the country, and the world, giving vapid pointless speeches…seems “we” have the money when Obama needs it…but when the Nation needs it…we are out of cash?

Bull.

coldwarrior on September 22, 2013 at 9:26 AM

queue the lib outrage in 5..4…3.

heh

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Yeap esp since it hit Drudgereport this morning in the center page. It will get a lot of views…..

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Your opinion only reflects that of a fringe minority. Most working Americans including our military men and women will be adversely affected by a government shutdown. And these are the people who decide elections.

loveofcountry on September 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM

If that is the case it’s because those in power choose tho make that happen. There are many, many other things that can be defunded during a govt. shutdown other than military wages and social security payments.

Vince on September 22, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Had to mute McCasgill… too much whiny “let’s compromise because Democrats feel vulnerable” rhetoric going on. This witch is part of the problem, as are all Democrats who want to talk rather than listen.

ExpressoBold on September 22, 2013 at 9:28 AM

If that is the case it’s because those in power choose tho make that happen. There are many, many other things that can be defunded during a govt. shutdown other than military wages and social security payments.

Vince on September 22, 2013 at 9:28 AM

The troll is a useful and oh soooo willing idiot.

CW on September 22, 2013 at 9:32 AM

the dems are pis@ed because now the dems are on the hook to vote to FUND obamacare. they tried hard to get the GOP to take the blame now its on them.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 9:34 AM

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 9:27 AM

:)

cmsinaz on September 22, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Why is this “Amy Walter” on FNS? She sucks out of both sides of her mouth. She is just spewing talking points with no commitment to any of them. BAH!

ExpressoBold on September 22, 2013 at 9:39 AM

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 8:48 AM

As Thomas Paine so succinctly put it, “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.”

Take away guns from patriots, government rules unfettered.

That is not what the Constitution demands.

We, the People.

Not us, the government.

Not us, the Congress.

Not, me, the President.

We, the People.

coldwarrior on September 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM

coldwarrior on September 22, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Superbly rational. Why is common sense missing from the power brokers?

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 9:49 AM

A well-armed, free society is safer than a disarmed, totalitarian state.

Ask NPR.

coldwarrior on September 22, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Why is common sense missing from the power brokers?

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 9:49 AM

….But we must remember that emotion won’t make anybody safer or protect our rights. Beware of politicians who exploit our emotions in an attempt to pass laws that even they admit wouldn’t have prevented the violence…….

Instead of offering real solutions based on facts, reactionary politicians offer us the politics of emotion, which is the opposite of leadership. It is the manipulation of the people by the political class for their own political ends. It is so very self-serving, but, worse, it is destructive.
The first thing politicians ask after these tragedies is essentially: “What can we do to limit the freedom of the people?”

And that is the wrong question. The question we should be asking is: “What can we do to nurture and support a people capable of living in freedom?”

http://nationalreview.com/article/359114/freedom-destroys-itself-sarah-palin

emotion trumps logic in the short term and it is the simplest way for immoral people to control others.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 9:54 AM

A well-armed, free society is safer than a disarmed, totalitarian state.

Ask NPR.

coldwarrior on September 22, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Depends who you are talking about. A well-armed free society is safer for the general population but a disarmed totalitarian state is safer for its leaders….

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 9:56 AM

How the media perpetuate the lies via talking points:
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/092013-671982-40-little-lies-the-media-tell-about-obamacare-.htm

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 9:58 AM

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Leaders can and should be replaced.

Often.

Far easier than trying to replace the general population.

coldwarrior on September 22, 2013 at 10:00 AM

The two last best hopes of getting rid of American socialists’ decades long dream were SCOTUS and the election in 2012.

John Roberts caved, to his everlasting shame and disgrace.

Running the dirtiest and most negative campagn in modern history the Obama Machine successfully demonized Romney and managed to get enough votes in enough swing states to re-elect Dear Leader.

And the GOP was unable to achieve at least parity in the Senate.

For almost all intents and purposes, game over.

At this point the best one can hope for is to contain Obamacare while continuing to rally the electorate to oppose it. However, as Mencken said, “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”

Unless a clear unambiguous majority of the population supports defunding it that is probably a losing strategy.

The only justice in this is the young hip liberal smart and cool crowd who voted for Comrade O will pay for this malignant metastasizing monstrosity for the rest of their lives. They will have to live with their Frankenstein. Unfortunately those who did not will have to pay for it and live with it, too.

farsighted on September 22, 2013 at 10:04 AM

loveofcountry on September 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM

And your opinion only reflects brainwashing by the LSM. But sadly too many like yourself fall for the brainwashing.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 9:11 AM

They always seem to get together for the military funding provision in a shutdown threat. It was a good comment and I say good on you for sticking to your guns.

smoothsailing on September 22, 2013 at 10:08 AM

. . . . . . . in other news … George Soros was remarried (3rd time) yesterday !
. . . . . . . (insert sound of crickets chirping, HERE) . . . . . .
listens2glenn on September 22, 2013 at 8:58 AM

++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes, and on the very select guest list was Nancy Pelosi. I’m guessing she went as Obama’s representative (can’t have the relationship being *too* open).

fabrexe on September 22, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Leaders can and should be replaced.

Often.

Far easier than trying to replace the general population.

coldwarrior on September 22, 2013 at 10:00 AM

I agree but then you and I are part of the general population so we are biased towards that view. Who wants to be replaced? In that same vain it is important that we understand that our “leaders” are in a different group and they will by definition think differently and work towards replacing us of if that isn’t possible enslaving us to their will. thus our views and expected outcomes will diverge and we will be working towards different goals. As long as the majority remembers that the “leaders” are working towards replacing/enslaving us there isn’t a problem and those leaders in fear of “being replaced” will tow the line. Once they come to think it’s safer to replace/enslave us then listen to us then we as a nation have problems. which I guess explains why we as a nation have so many “unanswered problems” today doesn’t it.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 10:12 AM

farsighted on September 22, 2013 at 10:04 AM

I have yet to hear the fat lady singing.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Straight out of Karl Rove’s mouth this morning. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee’s sin was “not consulting with the other Senators before he started his crusade”. Poor little Rovey, nobody asked his opinion before going to the American people to see what they wanted. Now those unconsulted Senators are going to have to VOTE one way or another in public, and they can’t hide in their primaries behind symbolic votes against ObamaCare. They will have to put their money where their mouth is. Tsk, Tsk. It makes a consultants life so much more difficult when he has to spin actual votes instead of empty rhetoric.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 10:16 AM

I have yet to hear the fat lady singing.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 10:13 AM

It should be tried.

Everything possible should be tried.

But I am not optimistic. I would love to be wrong in my expectations. But I have little faith in an electorate that re-elected an obvious socialist. Nor do I have much faith in wobbly weak kneed spineless Republicans.

farsighted on September 22, 2013 at 10:21 AM

“A dilemma for ObamaCare-defunders this morning:”
This sounds as if you don’t support defunding Obamacare, it also helps to perpetuate the “us – highbrow vs the them-hayseed” mentality.

Amadeus on September 22, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Allah and Ed do not support Cruz’s approach in this regard. You can tell by their tweets, retweets and placements of posts on the subject.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 10:23 AM

But I have little faith in an electorate that re-elected an obvious socialist. Nor do I have much faith in wobbly weak kneed spineless Republicans.

farsighted on September 22, 2013 at 10:21 AM

the electorate as far as I’m concerned were given no choice in 2012 thus the result of 2012 shouldn’t be read as anything other then a vote for the devilthey knew. I have never placed my faith in politicians to do the right thing. My faith is in human nature or in other words humans acting as God created them to act. Human nature being what it is. the politicians will vote for their best interests. If they decide its in their best interest to defund obamacare obamacare will be defunded tommorrow. what we have to do is show them beyond doubt its is in their best interest to defund obamacare. Nature will take care of the rest.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 10:26 AM

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 9:18 AM

I read it. Boy, she held nothing back. She let the GOP have it with both barrels.

WisRich on September 22, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Funny how the establishment works…isn’t it?

Instead of attacking the problem, finding sensible solutions, let’s demonize the messenger.

Sen. Cruz is taking a lot of flak…from the GOP, let alone the Left.

Why is that?

Rove bemoans the fact that Cruz did not discuss all of this with the GOP establishment?

Maybe Cruz is actually trying to represent the electorate?

Perhaps seeking a sensible solution instead of just going along to get along?

If the majority of the electorate are less than thrilled about Obamacare, if the majority of those who actually have and pay for health insurance find their rates have skyrocketed with less coverage provided, if the unions, of all people, do not like that they have to be part of Obamacare, if employers are laying off full-time employees….well…seems Cruz has the pulse of the nation…not Rove and the rest of the “establishment.”

I, for one, have seen my rates nearly double in the past two years, with less coverage offered, but I do have to pay for neo-natal and obstetric coverage…and birth control, too…and being a single male over 60, I find I really really need that sort of thing.

Can’t “fix” Obamacare.

And with our elected officials (with a few exceptions) can’t fix stupid, either, it appears.

coldwarrior on September 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Straight out of Karl Rove’s mouth this morning. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee’s sin was “not consulting with the other Senators before he started his crusade”. Poor little Rovey, nobody asked his opinion before going to the American people to see what they wanted. Now those unconsulted Senators are going to have to VOTE one way or another in public, and they can’t hide in their primaries behind symbolic votes against ObamaCare. They will have to put their money where their mouth is. Tsk, Tsk. It makes a consultants life so much more difficult when he has to spin actual votes instead of empty rhetoric.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Well said

gophergirl on September 22, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Re the Nairobi mall terrorism, a freeper commenter (Pan Yan)notes some background;

Al Shabaab (The Youth) is an Al Qaeda offshoot which runs most of southern Somalia. Much of their leadership is from other countries. About two years ago the neighbors got tired of them. Ethiopia invaded from the west and Kenya invaded from the south. Even the UN propped up Somali government managed to make it a few miles out of Mogadishu, with the backing of thousands of foreign troops. Al Shabaab lost lots of territory and men. They haven’t forgotten or forgiven. Even though Kenya and Ethiopia have withdrawn Al Shabaab still holds a massive grudge and has resorted to a suicide terror campaign against Kenya and the government in Mogadishu.

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 10:38 AM

How the media perpetuate the lies via talking points:
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/092013-671982-40-little-lies-the-media-tell-about-obamacare-.htm

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Talking points hurt, but in the end facts are stubborn things.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Human nature being what it is. the politicians will vote for their best interests. If they decide its in their best interest to defund obamacare obamacare will be defunded tommorrow (sic). what we have to do is show them beyond doubt its is in their best interest to defund obamacare. Nature will take care of the rest.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Absolutely! This is the reason why Ted Cruz’s real-information blitz, drowning out the obfuscating talking points, should/will rouse the grassroots to change the tune of the politicians.

Citizens must be heard above the white noise of the politician-media “narrative.”

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Politico is so pathetic, probably 1/4 of their traffic comes from HotAirians following the link to get the Sunday talk show lineup that AP phones in.

Sigh.

Let’s have a look at the Sunday edition of the Left Wing Media Propaganda Machine and consider the ways we are being fuc*ked.

“Meet the Press” on NBC
• NRA in a rarest appearance
• Conservative … whoa, what a start
• Left Wing
• Kook Left
• R

With their DNC moderator, we have something like numerical balance, if not ideological. But NBC has such a profound history of anti-Republicanism that two voices on one show don’t make up much ground.

“Face the Nation” on CBS
• Faux moderate liberal
• RINO
• R (too new to rate, but looks seriously conservative)
• Left douche

Par for the course.

“This Week” on ABC
• Kook Left
• Conservative
• Gingrich (can no longer be classified)
• Marxist

One conservative, one self-absorbed populist douche, and three (moderator) from the left fringe of American political thought. Better than average for this DNC operation.

“Fox News Sunday” on Fox
• Conservative Rock Star
• Kook Left
• RINO
• Marxist

Even Fox can’t find balance on a day when Congress prepares to go over the cliff, Islam ramps up their efforts to exterminate Christians in the middle East, and Our Idiot President sinks to his lowest polling and most impotent leadership, here and worldwide.

“State of the Union” on CNN
• Kook Left (Dementia – CA)

One needs to take pause and consider the lunacy of a “news” organization dedicating an entire show to one guest, the demonstrably insane Crazy Aunt Nancy.

Final score … ho hum. Liberalism on parade, but this time with dissent.

Jaibones on September 22, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Talking points hurt, but in the end facts are stubborn things.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

True, but the facts have to be presented and repeated by articulate, knowledgable spokesmen. They have to push the Pelosis and the Schumers and the Wasserman-Shultzes away from the microphones and trumpet the facts instead.

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Now those unconsulted Senators are going to have to VOTE one way or another in public, and they can’t hide in their primaries behind symbolic votes against ObamaCare. They will have to put their money where their mouth is. Tsk, Tsk. It makes a consultants life so much more difficult when he has to spin actual votes instead of empty rhetoric.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 10:16 AM

You got it. Rove, the spinmaster by making that remark didn’t apply that to the Dems & Baucus “not consulting with Republican Senators” when ramming O’Care down Americans throat. They shot down every R Amendment put forth.

Oh, how the R’s hate to have to put up or shut up, LOL

bluefox on September 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Wallace should have asked McCaskill why the MB are in our government and this Administration is arming our enemies.

Maybe that would have frozen her lying tongue in place.

bluefox on September 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Republicans in Congress support funding the government. If the Democrats block these funding measures, a government shutdown is on them.

Your opinion only reflects that of a fringe minority. Most working Americans including our military men and women will be adversely affected by a government shutdown. And these are the people who decide elections.

loveofcountry on September 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM

So LoC, you should call and write to your congress critters to fund the government then. Since when is it fringe to want to fund the government?

dogsoldier on September 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Troll pulls another hit-n-run…big surprise.

CW on September 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Straight out of Karl Rove’s mouth this morning. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee’s sin was “not consulting with the other Senators before he started his crusade”. Poor little Rovey, nobody asked his opinion before going to the American people to see what they wanted.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Bing. He goes his own route, and I love him for it. Why TF would anyone seek the opinions of as*-fuc*ers McCain and Graham? If you want their opinion, just turn on CNN.
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As for the rest of the worthless Senate D-GOP, why bother? Windsock douchebags, all.

Jaibones on September 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM

I read it. Boy, she held nothing back. She let the GOP have it with both barrels.

WisRich on September 22, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Yeap. Palin is fired up and itching to take the fight to the dems and the GOPe. makes one yearn for a real leader in the whitehouse doesn’t it.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 10:54 AM

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 10:47 AM
You are absolutely correct. However, the letters the insurance companies are sending out as we speak raising premiums will have an impact that even the most articulate politician cannot match.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 10:54 AM

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Thanks for posting that.

dogsoldier on September 22, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Absolutely! This is the reason why Ted Cruz’s real-information blitz, drowning out the obfuscating talking points, should/will rouse the grassroots to change the tune of the politicians.

Citizens must be heard above the white noise of the politician-media “narrative.”

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

the deepest fear of the statists is that flyover country succeeds in breaking through the NY-DC media bubble laid over our capital.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Troll pulls another hit-n-run…big surprise.

CW on September 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM

They haven’t been around much, since Putin man handled Zero.

dogsoldier on September 22, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Thanks for posting that.

dogsoldier on September 22, 2013 at 10:55 AM

no problem saw it in big bold letters on Drudge report this morning so figured I’ll pass it along.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 10:57 AM

the deepest fear of the statists is that flyover country succeeds in breaking through the NY-DC media bubble laid over our capital.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Their deepest fear is that those in flyover country rise up and depose them.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Absolutely! This is the reason why Ted Cruz’s real-information blitz, drowning out the obfuscating talking points, should/will rouse the grassroots to change the tune of the politicians.

Citizens must be heard above the white noise of the politician-media “narrative.”

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

the deepest fear of the statists is that flyover country succeeds in breaking through the NY-DC media bubble laid over our capital.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 10:55 AM

There are more of us than there are of them. One of the main reasons why the ObamaCare issue is so potent and why even unlike Social Security and Medicare it will remain an issue is because it literally impacts every living, breathing individual in this country one way or another. Third Rail times a 300 million.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM

There are more of us than there are of them. One of the main reasons why the ObamaCare issue is so potent and why even unlike Social Security and Medicare it will remain an issue is because it literally impacts every living, breathing individual in this country one way or another. Third Rail times a 300 million.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM

true and the impact on all those 300 million will be negative to some degree or another.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM

You are absolutely correct. However, the letters the insurance companies are sending out as we speak raising premiums will have an impact that even the most articulate politician cannot match.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 10:54 AM

I guarantee you our DC overlords are prepared for this. Hell they want that to happen. They wrote the law to make sure it happens. It’s all they need to crank up their propaganda machine better know as the main stream media for the final push towards single payer.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Their deepest fear is that those in flyover country rise up and depose them.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM

I understand what you are saying but I honestly think they don’t even think that is a possibility. They are worried about re-election true but I don’t think the thought has entered their mind that this country is at a point where people are seriously considering overthrowing them. Sadly I think our country would be much better off if our leaders thought that was a real possibility.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 11:06 AM

They haven’t been around much, since Putin man handled Zero.

dogsoldier on September 22, 2013 at 10:56 AM

nothing worse then when someone shows your leader to be a betamale. Takes the fight right out of a group.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 11:07 AM

You are absolutely correct. However, the letters the insurance companies are sending out as we speak raising premiums will have an impact that even the most articulate politician cannot match.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 10:54 AM

But don’t you think that the low-infos will be clamoring for a government-run single payer system because they will blame the “greedy” insurance companies?

Someone has to make the case about why the premiums have necessarily skyrocketed. It cannot be the insurance companies who do so, however, because they will be viewed as feathering their own nests.

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 11:08 AM

With nuclear off the table, and green energy failing spectacularly, it’s back to petroleum and coal.

We’ve been so focused on the world’s growing, Cloward/Piven destruction cycle because it continues to make everyone fear we are entering a long period of darkness. Well I’m here to help put those fears to rest, and replace them with sheer panic.

You see, while barack and his cronies are focusing your concerns on Syria and working overtime to blame our problems on stubborn Republicans, the lights here are barely flickering and the lines at the pump are short. My last order from Amazon arrived on time, Twitter’s still operational (unless you’re in China), and we’re now in the season of football and blockbuster movies.

We remain calm because the energy to drive us through and past the scandals and the darkness is what has kept us from panic. It’s hard to panic when you are arguing the relative merits of the lettuce at Whole Foods versus Krogers. But it’s time to look ahead a few quarters.

In the wake of the Fukishima reactor leaks and shutdowns in Japan, world leaders have put nuclear power out of reach for decades—if not lifetimes. Prime Minister Angela Merkel of Germany famously took nuclear power off the table, as she led Germany into Energiewende, a new policy of replacing the rapidly closing nuclear plants with green energy.

It’s like your Dad coming home after a bad day at work and declaring from now on, this family is going to seek a new, no-employment strategy for family prosperity. Key to this strategy will be the new, no-food and no-clothing concept that is sweeping the world.

As anyone but “leading economists” would expect, Energiewende is working out about as well as barack’s laser-like focus on jobs:……

…..At some point, the skyrocketing is supposed to level off. Unfortunately it appears that the perfect storm of massive debt, skyrocketing energy costs, and the purely political damping of coal, nuclear, and natural gas will meet the nexus of barack’s race-based agitating and mass importation of free labor for his crony capitalist friends. The crash is going to be spectacular.

http://therightscoop.com/green-energy-policies-leave-us-unprepare/

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Anyone watch Mike Lee this morning? I cannot watch MTP.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Everything possible should be tried.

But I am not optimistic. I would love to be wrong in my expectations. But I have little faith in an electorate that re-elected an obvious socialist. Nor do I have much faith in wobbly weak kneed spineless Republicans.

farsighted on September 22, 2013 at 10:21 AM

I agree everything should be tried to stop it..The GOP has to craft a plan to start fixing the problems of Obiecare when it “crashes”..:)

Dire Straits on September 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM

I understand what you are saying but I honestly think they don’t even think that is a possibility. They are worried about re-election true but I don’t think the thought has entered their mind that this country is at a point where people are seriously considering overthrowing them. Sadly I think our country would be much better off if our leaders thought that was a real possibility.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Oh yes they do. Ever heard of gun control?

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Rand Paul touts Michigan poll win

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/rand-paul-michigan-poll-97167.html?hp=r1

davidk on September 22, 2013 at 11:17 AM

I understand what you are saying but I honestly think they don’t even think that is a possibility. They are worried about re-election true but I don’t think the thought has entered their mind that this country is at a point where people are seriously considering overthrowing them. Sadly I think our country would be much better off if our leaders thought that was a real possibility.

unseen on September 22, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Oh yes they do. Ever heard of gun control?

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM

It’s also why the GOP continues to cave after appearing to offer opposition . As long as the masses believe they have someone their side the powers that be can get away with a lot more. We are seeing this played out right now with Marxist Care. The façade of a two party system with an opposition will continue, it keeps the masses from rising up.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:22 AM

But don’t you think that the low-infos will be clamoring for a government-run single payer system because they will blame the “greedy” insurance companies?

Someone has to make the case about why the premiums have necessarily skyrocketed. It cannot be the insurance companies who do so, however, because they will be viewed as feathering their own nests.

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Agree..But I don’t think they will get single payer because there are too many special interests to fight it at the present time..We have to hope that the private markets (insurance) can hang on..The GOP HAS to get better at delivering that message..:)

Dire Straits on September 22, 2013 at 11:22 AM

I guarantee you our DC overlords are prepared for this. Hell they want that to happen. They wrote the law to make sure it happens. It’s all they need to crank up their propaganda machine better know as the main stream media for the final push towards single payer.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM

But don’t you think that the low-infos will be clamoring for a government-run single payer system because they will blame the “greedy” insurance companies?

Someone has to make the case about why the premiums have necessarily skyrocketed. It cannot be the insurance companies who do so, however, because they will be viewed as feathering their own nests.

onlineanalyst on September 22, 2013 at 11:08 AM

This is the main reason I think Cruz and Lee are on the right track with saying now or never. I don’t think it is because once the subsidies kick in on Jan.1 it is all over, because the subsidies won’t help enough people. I think it is now or never, because Big Insurance, Big Hospital, Big Pharma etc. still are viable and so single payer isn’t really an option yet. It is too soon. But the further ObamaCare gets away from its original debate the more likely it is that people will forget what we had before it was enacted and be okay with single payer. It seems like a footrace to me. Right now, I think the low info voter still may remember what healthcare was like before we had this law, but that won’t last. Then instead of saying “why would we trust the idiots who wrote this law to fix it” they won’t remember which idiots gave it to us and allow them to fix it.
The response to “greedy insurance” is “you’d rather have the IRS in charge??”

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Agree..But I don’t think they will get single payer because there are too many special interests to fight it at the present time..We have to hope that the private markets (insurance) can hang on..The GOP HAS to get better at delivering that message..:)

Dire Straits on September 22, 2013 at 11:22 AM

You assume the GOP doesn’t want single payer. Everything I’ve seen leads me to believe they want just as bad as the dems.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

I like Cruz but I don’t trust him. He’s Harvard educated and Alan Dershowitz thinks he’s brilliant.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:31 AM

You assume the GOP doesn’t want single payer. Everything I’ve seen leads me to believe they want just as bad as the dems.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

As long as they get their exemptions that is correct. Just look at the fuss that Vitter is trying to combat.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 11:33 AM

I like Cruz but I don’t trust him. He’s Harvard educated and Alan Dershowitz thinks he’s brilliant.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:31 AM

You should never trust a politician. Hold their feet to the fire always.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

You assume the GOP doesn’t want single payer. Everything I’ve seen leads me to believe they want just as bad as the dems.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

The GOP does not want single payer..They didn’t want Obiecare period..The GOP should be a united front to fight this..But realistic and have a plan for dealing with it when it hits..:)

Dire Straits on September 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

You assume the GOP doesn’t want single payer. Everything I’ve seen leads me to believe they want just as bad as the dems.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

The GOP does not want single payer..They didn’t want Obiecare period..The GOP should be a united front to fight this..But also be realistic and have a plan for dealing with it when Obiecare and the ensuing chaos hits..:)

Dire Straits on September 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Sorry..fixed..:)

Dire Straits on September 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM

You are absolutely correct. However, the letters the insurance companies are sending out as we speak raising premiums will have an impact that even the most articulate politician cannot match.

txmomof6 on September 22, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Not only that, but many are cancelling peoples policies!

Michelle Malkin ✔ @michellemalkin

Just got letter from Anthem canceling our family’s health insurance plan. #ifyoulikeyourplanyouCANTkeepit pic.twitter.com/8jDwD6jKCO
9:00 AM – 21 Sep 2013

Comments are showing many more. They can’t make a profit complying with the O’Care coverage

policies.http://twitchy.com/2013/09/21/health-insurers-to-customers-if-you-like-your-plan-you-can-keep-nah-youre-screwed/

bluefox on September 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Up for re-election?:

Sen. Joe Manchin, who pushed an unsuccessful background-checks measure in the wake of the 2012 Connecticut school shooting, said on Sunday that he would not revive the effort unless he saw movement among other lawmakers.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2013/09/manchin-pessimistic-about-background-checks-action-173224.html

davidk on September 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM

I read this also on cnsnews dot com, but the link isn’t accepted.

Another article is titled: blue-cross-aetna-united-humana-flee-obamacare-exchanges

Aetna Inc., has announced it will not sell insurance on New York’s Obamacare health insurance exchange

The other states Aetna has opted out of for Obamacare insurance exchange participation are Maryland, Ohio, Georgia, and Connecticut.

Aetna never intended to participate in California, and Anthem Blue Cross and United Health Group made a similar decision to steer clear of California’s Obamacare exchanges as well.

So what happens if there are no Insurance Companies in the Exchanges?

bluefox on September 22, 2013 at 11:51 AM

So what happens if there are no Insurance Companies in the Exchanges?

bluefox on September 22, 2013 at 11:51 AM

You’re SOL, or to be more politically correct…single payer.

bgibbs1000 on September 22, 2013 at 11:56 AM

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