UN climate panel: Hmm, how can we selectively edit these inconvenient truths to outwit those anti-science denialists?

posted at 7:01 pm on September 21, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

In a sneak preview of their first big “landmark” report on climate change since 2007, the big-government, progressive, eco-radical, globalist types on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change at the United Nations revealed in August that they are absotively, posilutely 95 percent super-duper certain that global warming is definitely happening to a dangerous degree and that human activity is the overwhelming cause behind it.

The flaw in their master plan, however, is that Planet Earth has recently been presenting some counter-narrative quirks to their hotly anticipated findings (I’m not sure who is hotly anticipating them, but I read somewhere that people are, so it must be true), such as the lack of significant warming over the past fifteen years and the “unexpectedly” aggressive growth of arctic ice — and that’s rather inconvenient for a report that considers itself the definitive guide to Settled Science That Is Beyond Contestation.

Exactly how to communicate, if at all, these sensitive data points is rather a delicate matter, via the AP:

Leaked documents obtained by The Associated Press show there are deep concerns among governments over how to address the purported slowdown ahead of next week’s meeting of the IPCC. …

Germany called for the reference to the slowdown to be deleted, saying a time span of 10 to 15 years was misleading in the context of climate change, which is measured over decades and centuries.

The U.S. also urged the authors to include the “leading hypothesis” that the reduction in warming is linked to more heat being transferred to the deep ocean.

Belgium objected to using 1998 as a starting year for any statistics. That year was exceptionally warm, so any graph showing global temperatures starting with 1998 looks flat. Using 1999 or 2000 as a starting year would yield a more upward-pointing curve. In fact, every year after 2000 has been warmer than the year 2000.

Hungary worried the report would provide ammunition for skeptics. …

Jonathan Lynn, a spokesman for the IPCC, declined to comment on the content of the report because it hasn’t been made final, but said it would provide “a comprehensive picture of all the science relevant to climate change.”

Wait… does this mean that — gasp — politics often play a role in science?!?! How can this be???

Perhaps anyone who doesn’t immediately and vigorously seize upon the eco-radicals’ predetermined conclusions about the imminent catastrophes climate change — as well as their recommendations that we must quickly and forcefully self-depress our economies from the top down, spending money we don’t have and making people poorer — is forever destined to be lumped into the oh-so-heinous category of a stubbornly flat-earth-society, knuckle-dragging climate “denier.” Never mind that there are a million and one factors that go into the causes and effects of the planet’s climate (as the UN acknowledges with excuses factors like volcanic ash, solar activity, and oceanic heat-trapping after the utter failure of their own climate models), and that some more rationally-interested parties might advocate for less poverty-inducing and more free-market solutions — there is clearly no room for nuance here. It eludes me, however, as to why these extremists are surprised that anyone is suspicious of their motivations, when they spent decades doubling down on cataclysmic doomsday predictions that never came true whilst engaging in academic and political hostage-taking.


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Really super cereal.
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ProgressiveTard Fruit-Loopys!!

canopfor on September 21, 2013 at 7:06 PM

that global warming is definitely happening to a dangerous degree and that human activity is the overwhelming cause behind it
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***************** ITS DA SUN *****************************!!

canopfor on September 21, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Come on, everyone knows that the lack of significant warming over the past fifteen years and the “unexpectedly” aggressive growth of arctic ice are hallmarks of AGW.

/delusional eco-freaks

rbj on September 21, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Yeah, the EU’s chief climate czar recently said that even if the science is wrong it’s good to crap all over our economies by dumping on Carbon.

JimK on September 21, 2013 at 7:13 PM

You can’t spell UNethical without UN.

DAT60A3 on September 21, 2013 at 7:13 PM

A PSA brought to you by an organization of nations that are mostly run by tinpot dictators who sock away billions for themselves while their people starve.

I recall when the UN was a high ideal and actually did something with UNICEF; we kids took up collections and donated, too, for kids like us in under-developed countries. It was the end of colonialism, and the idea was to give those kids a fighting chance.

Then came the dictators.

And their people still go hungry.

Worse, the entire Obama family emulates them.

Phuck the UN and everything it has to say.

Liam on September 21, 2013 at 7:15 PM

If the Kerry/Clinton train de-rail?

It was a financial scheme. Nothing more

Key West Reader on September 21, 2013 at 7:16 PM

as the UN acknowledges with excuses factors like volcanic ash, solar activity, and oceanic heat-trapping after the utter failure of their own climate models)
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I watched this twice,and Mother Earth can be a suicidal biotch
(I kid in the biotch),but,its Earth it self that is running the
show,

and man,is hardly a factor,period!!
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(HD) Earth: Making Of A Planet – National Geographic Full Documentary
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHrF04Fmqes

canopfor on September 21, 2013 at 7:17 PM

canopfor on September 21, 2013 at 7:17 PM

…nice…. canopfor!

KOOLAID2 on September 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Think about out–you support this crap you get to go to cool parties in places like Bali. Of course you have to walk …you know to reduce your carbon emissions.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 7:29 PM

out = it

CW on September 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Someone enlighten me, because I’m not old enough to remember them in person, and I don’t care to read about them…

When, exactly, did the World decide, “Hey. This whole ‘League of Nations’ thing ain’t workin’, let’s just get rid of ‘em.”

Cuz…I think we’re there, again.

a5minmajor on September 21, 2013 at 7:31 PM

canopfor on September 21, 2013 at 7:17 PM

…nice…. canopfor!

KOOLAID2 on September 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM

KOOLAID2:)

Snowball earth,back when,and no cars to pollute,er,contribute to
the so-called green house gases——————-:0

canopfor on September 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Aaaand…still nothing yet on the deliberate slaughter of non-Muslims by Muslims in Kenya yet on HA. Which even WaPo is featuring. And we wonder why our side is losing.

At least 39 dead in Muslim attack at Kenya mall.

(Hint to HA editors: That should have been ‘Breaking News’ many hours ago.)

WhatSlushfund on September 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Wait… does this mean that — gasp — politics often play a role in science?!?! How can this be???
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*Cough-Cough*,…Government Funds, me thinks!!

canopfor on September 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

The missing heat is ‘hiding in the deep ocean’.

Can someone make a cartoon about this?

slickwillie2001 on September 21, 2013 at 7:34 PM

1. The rate of fossil fuel production of CO2 is less than 1/20 the rate at which CO2 is cycled naturally, so a mere 5% natural imbalance will completely wipe out the human contribution. The recorded increase in atmospheric CO2 is only half of recorded fossil fuel emissions, so at least half of that imbalance indisputably exists. We don’t really know how fast a sudden addition of CO2 to the atmosphere would be re-absorbed down to the “natural” level, because we don’t know what that natural level is or how it is changing over time. CO2 has been much higher in the past, lagging temperature changes rather than causing them. So, we don’t even know how much of the CO2 increase is actually due to us, regardless of what the IPCC claims.

2. We don’t really know how much the increase in CO2 increases what temperatures where. Assuming that all the warming from 1900 or so to now is due to CO2 and then extracting a ratio is frankly holding your thumb on the scale.

3. Warm is not bad. “Extreme whether” is basically a wild guess. The sea level rise (which really hasn’t changed much since we’ve recorded it) is so slow that New York City and Boston have been expanding their coastline faster than it. The atolls grow with their reefs, and, so long as they don’t kill off all the parrot fish, they will track the sea level just like they have done for the past few hundred feet of sea level rise.

Count to 10 on September 21, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Someone enlighten me, because I’m not old enough to remember them in person, and I don’t care to read about them…

When, exactly, did the World decide, “Hey. This whole ‘League of Nations’ thing ain’t workin’, let’s just get rid of ‘em.”

Cuz…I think we’re there, again.

a5minmajor on September 21, 2013 at 7:31 PM

If I remember correctly, it held on until WWII started, though Japan dropped out early.

Count to 10 on September 21, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Aaaand…still nothing yet on the deliberate slaughter of non-Muslims by Muslims in Kenya yet on HA. Which even WaPo is featuring. And we wonder why our side is losing.

At least 39 dead in Muslim attack at Kenya mall.

(Hint to HA editors: That should have been ‘Breaking News’ many hours ago.)

WhatSlushfund on September 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

WhatSlushfund:

And,the Chicago Basket-Ball Court Carnage,..too,
12 dead,if me facts are accurate!!

canopfor on September 21, 2013 at 7:42 PM

The missing heat is ‘hiding in the deep ocean’.

Can someone make a cartoon about this?

slickwillie2001 on September 21, 2013 at 7:34 PM

slickwillie:

I’m still searching for a cartoon,meawhile this well have to
suffice,er work!:)
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Black Smoker and Hot Vent Creatures
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huTJlHMR_LE

canopfor on September 21, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Perhaps anyone who doesn’t immediately and vigorously seize upon the eco-radicals’ predetermined conclusions about the imminent catastrophes climate change

Keep telling yourselves that the scientists at every leading research university in the US, including Notre Dame, is controlled by eco-radicals, and even further discourage the kids in conservative households to bypass an education in science in engineering… as if the domination of liberals in high growth, hi tech companies isn’t appalling enough already. Your digging a very deep hole that will direct a new generation of wealth creation into the hands of the left. Not good.

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

The U.S. also urged the authors to include the “leading hypothesis” that the reduction in warming is linked to more heat being transferred to the deep ocean.

Because, as everyone knows, heat sinks.

That’s what makes HotAir balloons work.

Akzed on September 21, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Germany called for the reference to the slowdown to be deleted, saying a time span of 10 to 15 years was misleading in the context of climate change, which is measured over decades and centuries.

Uh…..10 years = 1 decade (But the last decade-and-a-half doesn’t count!)

The U.S. also urged the authors to include the “leading hypothesis” that the reduction in warming is linked to more heat being transferred to the deep ocean.

“leading hypothesis” = We have a bunch of wild-ass guesses, this one gets the most votes.

Hungary worried the report would provide ammunition for skeptics.

At least the Hungarians are honest.

GarandFan on September 21, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Keep telling yourselves that the scientists at every leading research univsity in the US, ””
bayam on September 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

You REALLY need some new ideas.

Funny- as this scam unravels you just keep toeing the line.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 8:00 PM

When, exactly, did the World decide, “Hey. This whole ‘League of Nations’ thing ain’t workin’, let’s just get rid of ‘em.”

Cuz…I think we’re there, again.

a5minmajor on September 21, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Italy and Ethiopia showed it to be a useless endeavor.

The actual point of uselessness was years before when the US didn’t join it.

ajacksonian on September 21, 2013 at 8:02 PM

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Right, all those Womyn’s Studies majors and Racist Studies majors are just dominating the private sector. How foolish of us not to notice.

njrob on September 21, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Tell me Brayam in 1830 you were responsible for documenting the thermometers in which cities and countries?
/

Dupe.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 8:03 PM

“No!!!” to CO2 sequestration.

“YES!!!” to Leftist sequestration. Leftists should be buried in limestone caverns that are guaranteed to hold their toxic selves for at least 10,000 years.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 21, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Germany called…

Phuck the Germans. Far as I’m concerns, the legacy of the Tausend Jahren Reich is that Germany has NO say on any matter involving ‘morality’ until the year 2945.

Liam on September 21, 2013 at 8:03 PM

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Kiss a fluffy duck, brat.

You liberals HIDE what you do, to preserve your sickness.

It’s not like YOU have any cred around here; you aren’t one of we friends.

Liam on September 21, 2013 at 8:05 PM

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Science often gets killed by propaganda at universities.

Some folks escape that and become engineers.

You’ll still post the same bs until your last post at HA.

Ha Ha!

22044 on September 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Keep telling yourselves that the scientists at every leading research university in the US, including Notre Dame, is controlled by eco-radicals, and even further discourage the kids in conservative households to bypass an education in science in engineering… as if the domination of liberals in high growth, hi tech companies isn’t appalling enough already. Your digging a very deep hole that will direct a new generation of wealth creation into the hands of the left. Not good.

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

.
Thanks for the sympathetic advice … I feel much better now.

listens2glenn on September 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Thanks for the sympathetic advice … I feel much better now.

listens2glenn on September 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Brayam has about 10 different “thoughts”. He then simply picks 2 or 3 of those thoughts and mixes their order for his posts. He has nothing original. Give him an hour he’ll find some way to talk about Bill Gates or Rush Limbaugh.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Brayam -do you put your thoughts in a hat when you pick which ones to post? I am interested in your methodology.
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CW on September 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM

The great global warming swindle – Full version
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“The IPCC,is Political”

(1:13:33)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ

canopfor on September 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Good Forbes article concentrating on how green energy madness is killing the European economy: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowell/2013/09/19/how-europes-economy-is-being-devastated-by-global-warming-orthodoxy/
An excerpt:

[Green energy is] killing European economies. Electricity costs in Europe are more than double the cost of electricity in the U.S. High electricity costs make it difficult for businesses to operate.. Their cost of electricity is high, and they might not be able to pass it on to consumers when consumers are free to patronize businesses operating where electricity costs are much lower. Many businesses under pressure are likely move to a lower-cost location.. Antonio Tajani, European Commissioner for Industry and Entrepreneurship, warned: “We face a systemic industrial massacre.
The Germans probably have done more than anyone else to promote high-cost wind and solar power. .. They want to have renewables account for 80 percent of their electricity. Their experience illustrates consequences of such a policy.
The most obvious consequence is lots of subsidies and taxes. The German government has arranged for renewable energy producers to sell the power grid their electricity at more than 6 times the wholesale electricity market rate. Nature reported that in 2012 renewable energy producers “cashed in an estimated €20 billion for electricity worth a mere €3 billion.” Counting the costs of electricity from all sources, the Institute for Energy Research reported that “Germans pay 34 cents a kilowatt hour compared to an average of 12 cents in the United States).
That sucking sound of European business going to the US
The Association of German Chambers of Industry and Commerce (DIHK) reported that its surveys indicated many German business executives would rather move operations to the US than remain handicapped by high European electricity costs as they try to remain competitive in world markets.

But Obama yearns to do the same thing to America! And the US average rate of 12 cents is considerably higher than the 8 cents or so that it should be. AGW & green energy obsessed states like Connecticut and CA where rates can be as high as 29 cents a kilowatt hour do their part to raise the overall US average. And just wait until CA’s own cap & trade starts to hit. Will the idiot populace of CA just sit their like dumb sheep and take it? Yes.

anotherJoe on September 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM

http://www.ClimateDepot.com

Akzed on September 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Brayam has about 10 different “thoughts”. He then simply picks 2 or 3 of those thoughts and mixes their order for his posts. He has nothing original. Give him an hour he’ll find some way to talk about Bill Gates or Rush Limbaugh.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Oh, bullshit!

bayam doesn’t have thoughts. The liberal beastie cuts out from liberal newspapers a story and pins them to a dartboard. Then the vermin works from there.

bayam is proud to be a liberal, I imagine. The slime is also typical of the breed.

What does that say about the little monster?

Liam on September 21, 2013 at 8:24 PM

At least 39 dead in Muslim attack at Kenya mall.

(Hint to HA editors: That should have been ‘Breaking News’ many hours ago.)

WhatSlushfund on September 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

This kind of naked jihad was expected, specially since Hussein’s cuz Sharia Odinga didn’t get to rule Kenya, inspite of Hussein’s money and influence and instead, Hussein Sr.’s arch enemy Kenyatta’s son got the votes.
Hmmm…:D

burrata on September 21, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Bayam, why don’t you tell us how great Allan Brauer is.

22044 on September 21, 2013 at 8:32 PM

IPCC

The Fifth Assessment Report (AR5) will provide a clear view of the current state of scientific knowledge relevant to climate change.

It will comprise three Working Group (WG) reports and a Synthesis Report (SYR). The outline and content can be found in the AR5 reference document and SYR Scoping document.
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http://www.ipcc.ch/

canopfor on September 21, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Perhaps anyone who doesn’t immediately and vigorously seize upon the eco-radicals’ predetermined conclusions about the imminent catastrophes climate change
Keep telling yourselves that the scientists at every leading research university in the US, including Notre Dame, is controlled by eco-radicals, and even further discourage the kids in conservative households to bypass an education in science in engineering… as if the domination of liberals in high growth, hi tech companies isn’t appalling enough already. Your digging a very deep hole that will direct a new generation of wealth creation into the hands of the left. Not good.
bayam on September 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

You’ve got the gall to say this after leftists have been caught red handed subverting the scientific process?
We’re not anti science. We are in fact pro science because this whole “man caused climate change” is a perversion of science. And there is no consensus on anthropological climate chance. In case you haven’t noticed there have already been scandals about the shoddy methods used by the biggest proponents of the theory and their efforts to intimidate other scientists and PhD students. There hasn’t been any warning for 15 years and ALL the models have even horrible at predicting anything. We’ve seen many predictions come and go.

The IPCC is a political organization that has always rewritten the scientific conclusions towards their preferred ends.

gwelf on September 21, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Btw, a great place to get information on global warming climate change is at: http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/

Tom has a great blogroll on the right (showing the latest from wattsupwiththat and other skeptic blogs), and the main part of the page is filled everyday with scores of new links and skillfully edited excerpts from agw related articles / tweets etc.

anotherJoe on September 21, 2013 at 8:37 PM

At least 39 dead in Muslim attack at Kenya mall. (Hint to HA editors: That should have been ‘Breaking News’ many hours ago.) WhatSlushfund on September 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

It is elsewhere

Akzed on September 21, 2013 at 8:37 PM

wattsupwiththat and other skeptic blogs), and the main part of the page is filled everyday with scores of new links and skillfully edited excerpts from agw related articles / tweets etc.

anotherJoe on September 21, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Not a skeptic blog. They are the best, factually-based, climate research blog on the internet, period.

njrob on September 21, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Germany called for the reference to the slowdown to be deleted, saying a time span of 10 to 15 years was misleading in the context of climate change, which is measured over decades and centuries.

Belgium objected to using 1998 as a starting year for any statistics. That year was exceptionally warm, so any graph showing global temperatures starting with 1998 looks flat. Using 1999 or 2000 as a starting year would yield a more upward-pointing curve. In fact, every year after 2000 has been warmer than the year 2000.

So one country is complaining that the time span is too short while another wants to use a shorter time span. This is the nonsense that is climate change politics.

I would love to hop in a time machine, head back to 1998, and ask climate experts about the possibility of statistically insignificant warming at least through 2013. What a great Youtube video that would make.

Keep telling yourselves that the scientists at every leading research university in the US, including Notre Dame, is controlled by eco-radicals, and even further discourage the kids in conservative households to bypass an education in science in engineering… as if the domination of liberals in high growth, hi tech companies isn’t appalling enough already. Your digging a very deep hole that will direct a new generation of wealth creation into the hands of the left. Not good.

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

How is pointing out the group think, hand-waving, and sloppiness in one area of science going to discourage anyone from studying a more rigorous field like engineering or straight physics or chemistry? Imagine how many STEM students I could get to change majors just by having them read speeches by Richard Feynman. What a great way to clear out my potential competition!

NukeRidingCowboy on September 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Right, all those Womyn’s Studies majors and Racist Studies majors are just dominating the private sector. How foolish of us not to notice.

njrob on September 21, 2013 at 8:02 PM’

The largest US corp by market cap was founded by a liberal arts major, and the third largest by a computer science grads. As for new, high growth companies, yes those are predominantly founded and run by liberals. Good that you finally noticed.

There hasn’t been any warning for 15 years and ALL the models have even horrible at predicting anything. We’ve seen many predictions come and go.

It’s true that global warming is difficult to measure and relies upon extremely complex models- and warming is first expressed by melting ice and higher temps in sea water, not higher terrestrial temperatures. Meteorologists can’t even reliably predict tomorrow’s weather- but that doesn’t mean it’s all “junk science.” Of course, there are other ways to measure the effects of burning fossil fuel consumption that can’t be responsibly ignored
http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-ocean-acidification/

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Increasingly it seems to me that modern science is what frauds do. If it worked it would be called “engineering”. At best it’s like “string theory” which is too crafty ever to make a prediction. At worst it’s like “climate science” which is a gigantic fraud maintained by bluster and imposing negative career consequences on those who deny it.

David Blue on September 21, 2013 at 9:42 PM

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 9:39 PM

How do you or someone you know personally profit from perpetuating the scam?

Murphy9 on September 21, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Increasingly it seems to me that modern science is what frauds do. If it worked it would be called “engineering”. At best it’s like “string theory” which is too crafty ever to make a prediction. At worst it’s like “climate science” which is a gigantic fraud maintained by bluster and imposing negative career consequences on those who deny it.

David Blue on September 21, 2013 at 9:42 PM

In reality, exceptional, redefining, and consistent scientific progress, both physical and computational, has been required to manufacture today’s generation generation of Intel and Apple CPUs, and 2 GB hard disc platters, and Google self-driving car. It’s unbelievable that righties are so unwilling to recognize the importance of science in an era when digital technology is literally transforming every sector of industry and society.

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 9:54 PM

I recognize the importance of what scientists have done, and of what engineers and technologists still do.

What I’m concerned about is this new thing that calls itself “science” and is actually politics plus a pretense of objectivity. It can be like that because it does not demand of itself what the old science did, that is above all a serious effort to get at the truth. Now it seems anything that will induce politicians to provide funding is good enough.

David Blue on September 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM

In reality, exceptional, redefining, and consistent scientific progress, both physical and computational, has been required to manufacture today’s generation generation of Intel and Apple CPUs, and 2 GB hard disc platters, and Google self-driving car. It’s unbelievable that righties are so unwilling to recognize the importance of science in an era when digital technology is literally transforming every sector of industry and society.

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 9:54 PM

What the hell would you know about reality, Chief?

hillbillyjim on September 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM

In reality, exceptional, redefining, and consistent scientific progress, both physical and computational, has been required to manufacture today’s generation generation of Intel and Apple CPUs, and 2 GB hard disc platters, and Google self-driving car. It’s unbelievable that righties are so unwilling to recognize the importance of science in an era when digital technology is literally transforming every sector of industry and society.

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Silly Bayam,

no one on the right has any issues with science or technology. What we have are issues with scams that are meant to be wealth transfers and government seizures of private property in the name of “saving the planet.”

Try using the scientific method sometime. It’s what separates real scientists from the scam artists like your favored friends.

njrob on September 21, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Gregor Mendel wasn’t thinking: “Gentlemen, we’ve got to protect our phony-baloney jobs.”

“Climate scientists” are thinking that all the time.

David Blue on September 21, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Notice Brayam again plays his fallacious bullshit games.

Yet nothing to explain the 15 years of little warming and nothing addressing the fact that the UN wanted to hide this inconvenient information. Brayam fu ck you 10 x over. You’re a joke.

Shake your hate for a new post fuktard. Little dupe.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 10:16 PM

so unwilling to recognize the importance of science in an era when digital technology is literally transforming every sector of industry and society.

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Simply more fallacious bullshite. Now you’re making crap up. You’re so full of it…as dishonest as they get….. get some new material.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 10:18 PM

LET IT BE VERY CLEAR

BRAYAM has no problems with their DISHONEST games….

birds of a feather.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Gee, I can’t imagine why climate scientists would be worried about people cherry-picking climate data to make bogus claims about the recovery of arctic sea ice and the end of global warming. It’s not like that very thing happened this week.

Hal_10000 on September 21, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Duh, I is an consurve uh tivv.

Bad scienses.

hillbillyjim on September 21, 2013 at 10:25 PM

It’s unbelievable that righties are so unwilling to recognize the importance of science in an era when digital technology is literally transforming every sector of industry and society.

bayam on September 21, 2013 at 9:54 PM

What are you talking about? Pointing out the nonsense committed by scientists is an essential part of science. Do you disagree with that notion?

Also, I don’t buy that high tech fields are dominated by the left. Some subsets are, but here in Texas, we have a vibrant energy sector that is not dominated by leftists.

NukeRidingCowboy on September 21, 2013 at 10:27 PM

The fact that the United Nations is doing this does not surprise me. What surprises me is that we actually have a significant group of people who hear something like “well, yeah, we were totally wrong about the temperature thing but, trust us, the heat is sitting at the bottom of the ocean instead” and think it makes sense.

Shump on September 21, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Hal_10000 on September 21, 2013 at 10:21 PM

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Yet you ignore the fact that the UN wants to hide their inconvenient information about the last 15 years…why is that? You’d rather change the subject. Telling.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Hal seriously you slimy piece of shit. You’re just another cog in the scam….yet you’re far too dumb to realize it.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Dupe.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Didn’t you mean dope?

Oldnuke on September 21, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Dupe , dope, fckutard.

You know the little weasel was screaming that we’d see horrific hurricanes…..still waiting.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 10:37 PM

HAL-1000

Have to love the name of the blog you linked.

Hilarious They’re still pushing the 97% lie…..

http://toryaardvark.com/2011/09/12/climate-scam-97-of-climate-scientists-are-in-consensus-is-a-lie/

Cog.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 10:46 PM

You know the little weasel was screaming that we’d see horrific hurricanes…..still waiting.

CW on September 21, 2013 at 10:37 PM

What gets me is that even in the face of undeniable proof that this whole thing is nothing but a scam they still try to stick by their b/s and promote their stupid agenda. Al Gore and his acolytes know less about science in general than Jane Fonda knows about nuclear power.

Oldnuke on September 21, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Pay no attention to the giant thermonuclear reactor the is just 93 million miles away.

The Notorious G.O.P on September 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Also, I don’t buy that high tech fields are dominated by the left. Some subsets are, but here in Texas, we have a vibrant energy sector that is not dominated by leftists.

NukeRidingCowboy on September 21, 2013 at 10:27 PM

So the conservatives working for Apple and Microsoft and Google just keep their politics to themselves at work (and never ever speak their minds on Facebook or Twitter).

The conservatives in media have admitted to being self-censored (although there are some fighting back these days).

Why would you think it is any different in tech fields?

PS The Leftist CEOs’ social progressivism does not extend to their personal or corporate financial arrangements.

Kind of like Unions deciding they don’t really want Obamacare if it applies to them.

AesopFan on September 21, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Increasingly it seems to me that modern science is what frauds do. If it worked it would be called “engineering”.

Dude, that’s moronic.

At best it’s like “string theory” which is too crafty ever to make a prediction.

Huh? Do you have no appreciation of the importance of theoretical research? Mathematics is the Queen of the Sciences (and Number Theory is the Queen of Mathematics).

There’s nothing – NOTHING – more important than mathematics.

At worst it’s like “climate science” which is a gigantic fraud maintained by bluster and imposing negative career consequences on those who deny it.

David Blue on September 21, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Don’t mix the fraud of climatology and its lowlife practitioners up with real science and real scientists. And don’t try to badmouth math and theory. It makes you sound really stupid. Man moves ahead based on math and theory.

Climatology is a fraud but that has nothing to do with theoretical pursuits since climatology fails every test of theoretical science, as anyone who examines their arguments or sees their pathetic “models” understands. And engineering is way, way, way down the line of progress. You know how the old jokes go … There was a mathematician, a physicist and an engineer …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 21, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Cancerous International scammers. Unfortunately, they’ll never go out of business.

RdLake on September 22, 2013 at 12:06 AM

At least 39 dead in Muslim attack at Kenya mall. (Hint to HA editors: That should have been ‘Breaking News’ many hours ago.) WhatSlushfund on September 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

A week or so ago, Al Qaeda threatened to attack Barky’s homeland. Turns out that apparently they weren’t talking about the US…

bofh on September 22, 2013 at 12:22 AM

Before we hang all the climate scientists – while noting there are a few who richly deserve it – remember that even the data of the previous reports did not support the “summary” which is all the media reads or reports upon. The summary again will have little in common with the actual report.

This has been a huge scam from the beginning.

Adjoran on September 22, 2013 at 12:34 AM

When EPA climate change regulations skyrocket prices and the shut down of coal plants because they cannot meet new source performance standards when they need to be upgraded causes rolling black and brown outs, we will start experiencing Political Climate Change.

KW64 on September 22, 2013 at 1:06 AM

There was a mathematician, a physicist and an engineer …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 21, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Is that the one where the mathematician tries to explain why the cows in the kingdom have stopped giving milk by assuming a spherical cow?

KW64 on September 22, 2013 at 1:09 AM

trust us, the heat is sitting at the bottom of the ocean instead” and think it makes sense.

Shump on September 21, 2013 at 10:32 PM

The same sort of people said you could add 30 million uninsured people to government supported health care users and it would not impact quality of health care and would save the government money. Magical thinking takes a lot less effort than dealing with reality.

KW64 on September 22, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Don’t mix the fraud of climatology and its lowlife practitioners up with real science and real scientists. And don’t try to badmouth math and theory. It makes you sound really stupid. Man moves ahead based on math and theory.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 21, 2013 at 11:41 PM

We move ahead based on sincere efforts to find the truth, skillful experiments, and humility in the face of the facts uncovered.

David Blue on September 22, 2013 at 1:29 AM

blink on September 22, 2013 at 2:32 AM

Besides, the “models” that the dirtbag climatologists love to tout aren’t models of physical systems but curve-fitting to allegedly prove their hysterics. They have so many arbitrary inputs (that they tweek to get their desired curves) that it is a laughable pursuit … well, it would be laughable if they weren’t able to do so much damage to our economies and productive capabilities with their pseudo-science. They also love to cite their curve-fitting models as some sort of “proof” that the world will be burnt to a crisp by 2005 2010 2020 …

The real indecency of the climate scientologists, though, is that chaos theory emerged in large part from the work of meteorologist Lorenz, who established that with complex, dynamical systems one runs into a computational wall beyond which no reasonable predictions can be made and no models would serve any useful purpose in that direction. Lorenz would probably be going postal on most of the charlatans infesting climatology, these days.

And then there’s the Vostok Ice Core data, which the global warming nuts love to use as their main exhibit. That’s funny, too, because the Vostok data shows pretty clearly that we are at the unstable and highly variable peak of a natural long-term global climate period – one which is about to fall off the cliff and lead to a good 10 centigrade of cooling over the next 1000 years. But, the global warming turds were hypnotized by the CO2 data … which they mistook as the cause of temperature changes even though the Co2 data lags the temp data. That didn’t stop them, though. That’s one of the advantages of being scientifically illiterate – they aren’t bothered by little inconsistencies such as that. They are led by Al Gore (who got Cs in the few science classes he took) and Barky (who has the mathematical sophistication of a slow 8th grader) and want to lecture normal people about “science”. LOL.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 22, 2013 at 2:52 AM

a time span of 10 to 15 years was misleading in the context of climate change, which is measured over decades and centuries.

Millennia, even. Which really screws your pooch.

John the Libertarian on September 22, 2013 at 3:06 AM

Facts can be nettlesome to the “thought process” of fever swamp inhabitants.

AnotherRightWingConspirator on September 22, 2013 at 7:17 AM

These other countries sound like Obama’s campaign, administration, party, and the MSM’s editing room.
Sadly, we are becoming more like Europe … “hide the decline”, it’s all going to sh!t.

kregg on September 22, 2013 at 7:40 AM

Sorry Bayam: Your AGW god is dead

BigAlSouth on September 22, 2013 at 8:05 AM

You know how the old jokes go … There was a mathematician, a physicist and an engineer …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 21, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Yeah, but the punchline always depends on whether it is a mathematician, a physicist, or and engineer telling the story.

At any rate, I am a theoretical physicist, and I can tell you that the cutting edge of cosmology and particle physics don’t really have any kind of connection with technological progress anymore — they are mostly a kind of high-brow entertainment industry at this point. The same is probably true for most cutting edge Mathematics. Progress is mostly in going back through the well-established physics and mathematics and filling out all of the complexities that were passed over in the search for new physics.

Count to 10 on September 22, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Years ago I cited paleoclimatological data to explain the trend, arguing that men of science wished that they could control the weather. I even went as far to say that whenever CO2 levels spiked it was followed by global cooling. I even went on a limb to tell them that it was because CO2 traps more water vapor, thus more clouds.
One of the professors pointed out that I wasn’t a scientist and suggested to the other participants that my “theories” should be ignored. As a result of the their go along to get along academic misrepresentation of science I stopped posting on that particular website.
A few years later the AGW was conveniently changed to Climate Change … I was right.

Yes Bayam, the computers are indeed quite functional. It’s the collection of data, the omission of facts, and incomplete Pied Piper modeling that are leading scientists astray.
CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION

The best way to understand how the IPCC scam was put together read, The Delinquent Teenager by Donna LaFramboise

kregg on September 22, 2013 at 8:37 AM

In the voice of the Wizard of Oz…

“What you need Mr. UN Secretary, is a thermometer! You have everything else that other folks have so all you lack is a thermometer. *puts a thermometer in Mr. UN Secretary’s pocket* There you are. Welcome to Oz.”

Mojave Mark on September 22, 2013 at 9:28 AM

This piece is a terrific illustration of my assertions regarding “political statistics.”

Once again we have people with an agenda manipulating data for political purposes. In this case, to control, us to tax us and to give the fruit of our labor to others they feel are more deserving.

Usually themselves.

Our government does the same exact thing with every piece of information they provide, especially the economic data.

dogsoldier on September 22, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Bravo blink.

Let’s not forget how the left had regularly perverted science in the name of ideology. Like DDT and other enviro false claims that now result in millions of deaths per year.

gwelf on September 22, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Idiots like bayam don’t know anything about science. Observation isn’t supposed to rely on models – especially extremely complex models.
So me any “extremely complex” model, and I’ll show you an over-sensitivity to an excessive number of inputs.
bayam, have you ever modeled anything in your life? Do you know anything about modeling?
blink on September 22, 2013 at 2:32 AM

Modeling is the part of the scientific method where you ignore the facts for being wrong.

gwelf on September 22, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Liberals love science and engineering. Just look at their attitude towards nuclear energy.
/sarc

gwelf on September 22, 2013 at 10:25 AM

It’s almost ironic that the left, having rejected all ideals of religion, or civilization now have to ride another wave to assert their power and control. This is why environmentalism appears to be a facts-be-damned … religion. No surprise that failed Divitity scholar, Al Gore should be their High Priest and that deniers are the new heretics.

If you don’t believe in God’s purpose or even in the values of Western civilization, tell me what, in Gaia’s name, are we preserving the earth for?

Preservation of what was created by a random Big Bang for no reason at all ought to be a matter of indifference to “brights” and free-thinkers everywhere.

Ask your local environmentalist what we are preserving the earth for? They can’t tell you. They assume you are already on board with that plan but want your allegiance before we vanish into the oblivion we came from. They have no metaphysical strategy, so their temporal tactics have no sense.

virgo on September 22, 2013 at 12:56 PM

There is no man-made Global Warming.

Can we cut the funding now please?

Oh, and where do we go to get our hundreds of billions of dollars back that have been wasted on this SCAM?

Axion on September 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM

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