Quotes of the day

posted at 8:41 pm on September 20, 2013 by Allahpundit

[I]f Republicans do act, if they vote to fund Obamacare, then they are for Obamacare. Don’t let them fool you with meaningless “repeal” votes. Repeal – i.e., changing the law – is a positive act; unlike refusing to spend money, it cannot be accomplished simply by saying no. Just as President Obama needs Republicans to get his spending, Republicans would need the president (or substantial cooperation from congressional Democrats) to get their repeal. This, we all know, they will never get – there will be no repeal until an election or two drastically changes the landscape. But spending is another story – and President Obama should be made to understand that it is just as hopeless to get Republican assent to spending on Obamacare as Republicans understand it is hopeless to get Obama’s assent on repeal.

In fact, defunding has a chance to work precisely because it is not an effort to repeal Obamacare. President Obama is a proud man. It is unreasonable to expect that he would ever sign a repeal, a complete surrender that would be tantamount to an admission of total failure. Defunding is not a complete victory for Republicans – Obamacare would still remain on the books as the law of the land…

Obama is talking a brave game right now about how he won’t even entertain a budget that erases Obamacare – he vows a veto and a shutdown. But his political position is untenable, even with the media carrying his water. He will be grinding things to a halt to force Obamacare on the public even though he himself has slashed Obamacare for the benefit of big business and members of Congress. By agreeing to fund the rest of government, Republicans allow Obama a face-saving out: He can tell his base he preserved record-spending on social welfare programs, and that while Obamacare has been delayed, it is still the law and he will be back pushing for funding it in next year’s budget when the executive branch is more prepared to implement it.

That’s why I’m betting he’ll cave.

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The bill now heads to the Senate, where the Democratic majority will amend it, likely restoring Obamacare funding, and send it back to the House.

But Republican Rep. Jim Jordan said he hopes that regular Americans, and more spiritual beings, will influence senators.

“When the American people get engaged, they have a way of making elected officials see the light, find the Lord, and do the right thing. This bill does the right thing,” Jordan said in an interview with CNN’s “The Lead with Jake Tapper.”…

“The people have a way of weighing in on these debates, and changing the minds of politicians,” said Jordan. “I think there are senators who are going to find Jesus and do the right thing.”

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Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the party’s 2012 vice presidential nominee, vented about the House Republicans’ frustration at the Senate GOP on Thursday.

“It’s pretty palpable in our conference, I would say,” Ryan told POLITICO. “You mean about how they’re saying we’re not going to fight, and back at you, we’re not going to fight but forget about what we said earlier? Yeah, there’s a bit of frustration. … We all believe the same thing, we all want to achieve the same goal, and so we shouldn’t be questioning each other’s conservatism over tactical disagreements.”…

“I think the biggest concern I’ve had all along is that to answer the question how does this end?” said Sen. John Cornyn, a fellow Texas Republican who serves as minority whip. “And I think that people are now beginning to realize that by being divided over this approach, that we’ve actually made the job harder for the House Republicans. That’s something I would hope we would try to avoid.”

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Cruz went out of his way to question the motives of those who publicly expressed skepticism that his strategy would work. He called them members of a “surrender caucus” and derided them as politics-as-usual establishment quislings.

As far as I know, Cruz has not reached out to a single Democrat in the Senate in attempt to cobble together the 60 votes necessary to defund Obamacare in that body. He and his supporters have instead trained their fire on Republicans who argue that his strategy won’t work.

The Senate Conservatives Fund, a PAC with ties to Heritage President Jim DeMint, has raised and spent considerable money to run several ads against Republican senators McConnell, Flake, Cochran, Burr, Isakson, and Graham, attacking them for expressing skepticism about the defund strategy. SCF has not run a single ad on the topic criticizing Democrats.

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That leads us to a possible shutdown. Will the House refuse to pass a continuing resolution without the defund Obamacare language? If that happens, many government activities would grind to a halt after Oct. 1. However, implementation of Obamacare would not be one of them.

There are two reasons this is so, according to CRS. The first is that the federal government has multiple pots of money on which to draw when it comes to ACA implementation…

In addition, projected health insurance subsidies for many lower-income Americans aren’t payments, but tax credits. Those aren’t appropriations at all. And even if the government shuts down, the IRS could continue to process these credits.

That brings us to the second reason Obamacare would roll on: Government agencies have some leeway to structure their activities. IRS employees could still take applications from Americans eligible for subsidies, “even if the salaries of the federal employees who are making those determinations have lapsed,” according to CRS.

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“I don’t think the president will sign any legislation to defund Obamacare, and neither will the Senate pass any legislation to defund Obamacare,” Paul tells National Review, in an interview at his Capitol Hill office. “The president’s idea of politics is, he’s won this, and he’s not revisiting it.”

Paul says the GOP’s weak negotiating position is partly to blame. “How this plays out, how this works, is that to get anything, you have to be united, and Republicans don’t appear to be united,” he explains. “You also need to pass legislation well in advance of the deadline, and then be willing to go through the deadline. If you don’t have those pieces, you don’t have the leverage.”

“I didn’t paint a very pretty picture, did I?” Paul chuckles. “But that’s where we are. President Obama and the Democrats know Republicans won’t go through the deadline, he knows we’re just not serious, so he has the upper hand.”

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And here is the deeper problem with Cruz’s argument. The notion that people receiving subsidies will become “addicted” to Obamacare rests on the moocher theory of American politics, a simplistic and inaccurate idea that there are conservative “makers” who pay taxes and vote Republican and liberal “takers” who are dependent on government and vote Democratic. Like Mitt Romney’s statement about “the 47 percent,” Cruz’s remarks implicitly assume that conservatives have nothing to offer beneficiaries of government programs.

If Obamacare is as bad as Cruz and other conservatives say—if it’s going to pick the pockets of the young, ration care for the elderly, tax employers, slash wages and benefits of employees, assault religious liberty, subsidize elective abortions with taxpayer money, and bust the budget—shouldn’t Republicans be able to rally the American people behind something better? Shouldn’t Republicans in Congress be able to unite behind a set of conservative reforms that helps Americans with preexisting conditions through subsidized high-risk pools while freeing up the market and fixing the tax code to lower costs?…

So the big question isn’t really whether Obamacare will eventually fail, but what comes after it fails. When Obamacare starts to unravel, will the American people trust the Democrats who designed it to fix it by giving the government more power and more control? Or will Obamacare’s failure provide an opportunity to repeal it and replace it with a conservative free-market reform?

Republicans will have a good shot at passing real reform—so long as they avoid blundering into a government shutdown that will not stop Obamacare but will only lend credence to false Democratic claims that the problem with Obamacare isn’t the law itself but rather GOP obstruction and sabotage.

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The House vote to defund could turn out to be a nice stroke, if it’s viewed as a way of putting Democrats on the record. That’s not going to make the “defund” proponents happy, but that’s life for the party out of power. From there, you have to convince the public that if they want to get rid of Obamacare (as the polls suggest they do), they have to throw its supporters out of office.

This is how our system works: You put in the hard work of campaigning and framing issues, you win, and then you get to make policy. But that’s like telling an overweight person that he must diet and exercise to lose weight — why go to all the trouble if you think there’s an easy shortcut? Why learn to play chess or even checkers if you think you can win the game by throwing the pieces at your opponent until he leaves the board in shame?

Likewise, instead of playing the long game to repeal a bad law, a large number of well-meaning conservatives have been talked into a shortcut that leads to defeat and disillusionment. This plan has all the sense of the Wisconsin and Indiana Democrats who fled their respective states in order to prevent a vote on controversial union-related legislation.

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The only plausible way to avert Obamacare’s economic carnage — to the extent that it can be averted — is for Republicans to sweep the next two election cycles. Only that will provide the opportunity to repeal the law and reduce government intervention in the health care and insurance industries in favor of free market policies…

On the contrary, Democrat politicians must be forced to run their campaigns defending the law they voted for and promised would be everything it is not. The Republican/conservative strategy should be to back off. Just allow the law to hit the American economy with all the might of its several thousand pages of regulations and requirements…

If conservatives truly believe this bill is as disastrous as we’ve portrayed it — and I certainly do — then let’s allow the bill to prove itself as such. Fighting for defund or delay is merely to tinker and postpone. The Democrats should have to own this one and run on it. The economic toll will be steep, but there can be no tourniquet for the wound if Democrats continue to win elections.

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“This is the United States of America — we’re not some banana republic, this is not a deadbeat nation, we don’t run out on our tab.”

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Via the Corner.

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maybe they will come in all swacked as soon as the bars close..

going2mars on September 21, 2013 at 3:13 AM

*sip*

Yeah. :) That . . . that could happen. :)

Axe on September 21, 2013 at 3:22 AM

viking01 on September 21, 2013 at 3:11 AM

There you go. Trustworthy. Although we may put them at risk of laughing themselves into a seizure or something..

novaculus on September 21, 2013 at 3:23 AM

*sip*

Yeah. :) That . . . that could happen. :)

Axe on September 21, 2013 at 3:22 AM

Yeah.

*sip*

*gulp*

novaculus on September 21, 2013 at 3:26 AM

Axe on September 21, 2013 at 3:22 AM

id give you better odds on a BHO third term…

going2mars on September 21, 2013 at 3:30 AM

Well, look — I’m in.

I’ll be lurking and working on something for awhile again. None of this puking on Chicago business is bringing me any closer to my life’s primary goal, which is making out with a naked babe while she’s levitating — with no bloody antiparticles in my metaphysical existence twisting me all out of the Universe.

And now I’m hungry for pizza.

So — you know — I’ll be . . . fiddling with something, thinking things through.

Stick drawings.

Whatevs.

Axe on September 21, 2013 at 3:32 AM

id give you better odds on a BHO third term…

going2mars on September 21, 2013 at 3:30 AM

Yeah. That could happen.

*sip*

novaculus on September 21, 2013 at 3:32 AM

*I’m cool with Metal Head holding the cash. I trust Cindy.

Axe on September 21, 2013 at 3:33 AM

Yeah. That could happen.

*sip*

novaculus on September 21, 2013 at 3:32 AM

lol

Axe on September 21, 2013 at 3:33 AM

Axe on September 21, 2013 at 3:32 AM

Damn. I just spilled a little bourbon on my shirt, and I’m pretty sure it’s your fault.

novaculus on September 21, 2013 at 3:35 AM

Axe on September 21, 2013 at 3:32 AM

ever consider…magnetics for your levitating sex tryst??

that would also depend on a weight calculation…

going2mars on September 21, 2013 at 3:37 AM

Here’s one for Cindy.

Thank You Good Night

novaculus on September 21, 2013 at 3:46 AM

novaculus on September 21, 2013 at 3:46 AM

if that tender sweet love song doesnt bring em in swacked from the bar…i wont know why….???…

going2mars on September 21, 2013 at 3:53 AM

going2mars on September 21, 2013 at 3:53 AM

Cindy is our Metal Queen.

Someone point her to this tribute.

novaculus on September 21, 2013 at 4:09 AM

W****house Blues

Well we came up from the gutter
The wrong side of the tracks
Yeah, we came up from the gutter
Wrong side of the tracks

You know the music brought us out, babe
And we ain’t never been back

‘Cause we went city to city
All around the world
Yes, we went city to city
All around the world

You know it never looked like enough, honey
Even after thirty years

‘Cause we come blazing like a shooting star
And we light you up real good
We come blazing like a shooting star
And we light you up real good
We gonna hit you like a flash of lightning
Just like a bad boy would, [Incomprehensible]

You know the only thing that’s missing
Is a little mouth harp blues, mouth harp blues
You know the only thing that’s missing
Is a little mouth harp blues, that’s how we do it
And you know life’s full of surprises
You know we do that too, oh yeah, come on

You know we ain’t too good looking
But we are satisfied, satisfied
No, we ain’t never been good looking
But we are satisfied, satisfied
We shoulda opened up a little whorehouse, honey
Get a little booty on the side

Can we go now? Yeah

novaculus on September 21, 2013 at 4:13 AM

mumford…right…??
i know her…
and im from detroit i get the metal part too..

going2mars on September 21, 2013 at 4:21 AM

What people forget is that … REPUBLICANS CAN DEFUND OBAMACARE.

Send that budget to Ogabe and have him veto it – then refuse to back down no matter how long the government is shutdown. Don’t matter what the media says – don’t matter what public opinion is. Republicans own the house and they can kill Obamacare – simple as that.

They really have no other choice – if they send up a budget that funds it – the GOP will split (it’s already doing it) … a new conservative party will come into existence. Don’t give me that shirt about how a third party only means we remain out of power indefinitely – WTF does being in power mean if your party is controlled by a bunch of do-nothing pu$$ies?

HondaV65 on September 21, 2013 at 6:00 AM

W****house Blues

novaculus on September 21, 2013 at 4:13 AM

Nice… Hadn’t heard that one…

PointnClick on September 21, 2013 at 6:00 AM

If Republicans can’t defund Obamacare then it should be fully funded with language that the Executive Branch may offer no waivers, no variations, no changes in execution of the law from what Congress has passed. And put a 10 year penalty on that so that doing so is a felony and apply it across the entire chain of command that approves any changes, and that chain of command starts at the WH with the President who is responsible for the actions of the Executive Branch.

Tell D’s that you have had it with the game playing, the favoritism and with funding of crony friends via this law and that such things must stop. And if the Executive Branch cannot perform the functions as given in the law, then it is to suspend all efforts to enforce the law and come back to Congress to tell what is actually needed to do so.

That means if the exchanges don’t work, the law is suspended.

If there are problems with roll-out with States that want it, the law is suspended.

Any hiccup and the law is suspended.

The Democrats wanted this and the Republicans should now force all of those who support Obamacare to ‘do the right thing’ and get the Executive Branch to enforce the law fully and in all parts as given or the entire law, top to bottom, including its add-ons, kick-backs and expansion for student loans gets suspended. Then the President can submit the list of particulars for what it takes to fully make the program work AS WRITTEN BY DEMOCRATS WHO PASSED IT.

That will get the law suspended far faster than defunding and bypass all the stupid President Tricks Obama is using and put Democrats on the line to fully support what they said they wanted or to explain why such a lovely law isn’t worth ENFORCING.

You want the law dead? That is the way to do it.

ajacksonian on September 21, 2013 at 6:50 AM

What people forget is that … REPUBLICANS CAN DEFUND OBAMACARE.

Send that budget to Ogabe and have him veto it – then refuse to back down no matter how long the government is shutdown. Don’t matter what the media says – don’t matter what public opinion is. Republicans own the house and they can kill Obamacare – simple as that.

HondaV65 on September 21, 2013 at 6:00 AM

Sounds great. But I still wonder. Like, what if Obamba never backs down? Then I guess govt doesn’t “shut down,” it just runs without incurring any more debt, right? A major haircut, of course shaving food stamps and things like social security and the military as we all would have to tighten our belts. And what if Obama just uses another Executive Order to declare a Continuing Resolution and the debt ceiling raised by fiat without the help of congress? That’s what Obama will probably do. To “save the country.”

anotherJoe on September 21, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Happy Saturday, Patriots! …Hello, Trolls.

It’s just they’re not focused on you. They’re focused on politics. They’re focused on trying to mess with me. They’re not focused on you. They’re not focused on you.

– President Barack Hussein Obama, 9/20/13
My take: “Obama’s Banana Republic: Daylight Come and Me Wanna Go Home.”

kingsjester on September 21, 2013 at 6:58 AM

This is probably the greatest obamcare ad ever,lets hope it catches on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7cRsfW0Jv8&feature=youtu.be

rodguy911 on September 20, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Heh.

This other one is good too — the look on the doctor’s face after the kid says “Why not?” is hilarious (how every rational being should look after anything The Destroyer says):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsN75nt1aUU

ShainS on September 20, 2013 at 10:12 PM
…………….

LOL!!
I think we have a toss-up. Hard to say which one will get the emmy…er….. Obammmyy.

rodguy911 on September 21, 2013 at 7:11 AM

The REB therefore would force it to be as painful as possible. He would shut down things that don’t have to be legally shut down. He would make it into a disaster. The liberal media would play along.

Under a Republican president, a federal government shutdown could be done and barely noticed.

slickwillie2001 on September 20, 2013 at 10:37 PM
…………………………
Great post and very true.
For example when a govt. shutdown was threatened under the Clinton adm. bubba was all ready for it realizing that some small negotiations needed to be done. Many things were pre-funded and when it came time it was a non-event.
This time preperations have been done by the commies to make the govt. shutdown far worse than it has to be,huge differences between two different demoncrat administrations.

rodguy911 on September 21, 2013 at 7:16 AM

My take: “Obama’s Banana Republic: Daylight Come and Me Wanna Go Home.”

kingsjester on September 21, 2013 at 6:58 AM

…I’m mad…bro!

KOOLAID2 on September 21, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Who is the most conservative blogger at HotAir.com?

bluegill on September 21, 2013 at 9:35 AM

…I don’t know!…where are you at?…in a bathroom stall?

KOOLAID2 on September 21, 2013 at 9:41 AM

I am laying on my couch, getting acquainted with ios7.

It struck me just now that this site needs two things;

1) More sexiness, freshness a la Twitchy.

2) More passionate conservatism a la Michelle Malkin.

Right now I’m afraid there is too much careful, bland RINOism. HotAir feels late to many stories.
Any chance HotAir could have some kind of partnership with Twitchy? Their writers are a hoot.

bluegill on September 21, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Sometimes I get the feeling that HotAir bloggers support the establishment RINO types but can’t come out and say it because they would be at odds with their readership. It feels like the readership is often more conservative, passionate and fired up than many of the bloggers.

bluegill on September 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Is MKH still a full-time blogger here? Is she still on leave? I’m not asking to be rude. I’m genuinely curious.

I almost feel like her role is more to just get the name HotAir on tv during her FoxNews shows than it is to blog very regularly here… but I could be wrong.

bluegill on September 21, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Polls: This Mitt fellow is becoming more likeable by the day

posted at 1:31 pm on November 4, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

…You will love her!

KOOLAID2 on September 21, 2013 at 10:20 AM

My take: “Obama’s Banana Republic: Daylight Come and Me Wanna Go Home.”

kingsjester on September 21, 2013 at 6:58 AM

First chuckle of the morning…

In other words, Pookie does not want to get up off the couch.

Good read, as usual.

Fallon on September 21, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Republicans can’t defund Obamacare then it should be fully funded with language that the Executive Branch may offer no waivers, no variations, no changes in execution of the law from what Congress has passed. And put a 10 year penalty on that so that doing so is a felony and apply it across the entire chain of command that approves any changes, and that chain of command starts at the WH with the President who is responsible for the actions of the Executive Branch.

Tell D’s that you have had it with the game playing, the favoritism and with funding of crony friends via this law and that such things must stop. And if the Executive Branch cannot perform the functions as given in the law, then it is to suspend all efforts to enforce the law and come back to Congress to tell what is actually needed to do so.

That means if the exchanges don’t work, the law is suspended.

If there are problems with roll-out with States that want it, the law is suspended.

Any hiccup and the law is suspended.

The Democrats wanted this and the Republicans should now force all of those who support Obamacare to ‘do the right thing’ and get the Executive Branch to enforce the law fully and in all parts as given or the entire law, top to bottom, including its add-ons, kick-backs and expansion for student loans gets suspended. Then the President can submit the list of particulars for what it takes to fully make the program work AS WRITTEN BY DEMOCRATS WHO PASSED IT.

That will get the law suspended far faster than defunding and bypass all the stupid President Tricks Obama is using and put Democrats on the line to fully support what they said they wanted or to explain why such a lovely law isn’t worth ENFORCING.

You want the law dead? That is the way to do it.

ajacksonian on September 21, 2013 at 6:50 AM

I was going to take an excerpt out of your post to compliment it but I just couldn’t find any parts that I wanted to leave out. I enjoy reading your POV, AJ.

Fallon on September 21, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Gosh, AJ, your plan would take some balls and we all know it’s too late in this game to grow a pair. Anyone who shows up with a pair is derided as a radical and any other trashing the left can come up with. Our leaders are too entrenched in the effort to get reelected to their seats to think about what they have done and are doing to the country. This monster will be fully rolled out and need fixin’ by prezzy don’t mess with me for decades to come. Look at all the changes to MC that have been made since it’s inception.

Kissmygrits on September 21, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Fallon on September 21, 2013 at 10:35 AM

My thanks! If your enemy stops you, switch around and do what they want, but in a way they will detest and dare them to not do it.

Kissmygrits on September 21, 2013 at 10:53 AM

I do agree, won’t happen.

Boehner decided to become unserious the moment he knew the R’s would recapture the House. Before that he was all procedural, fund by agency, kill the slushfunding of government… all that good stuff… if he had done that, actually kept his word, then the fight about Obamacare would be with two bills: funding the IRS as a sub-part of Treasury, and HHS.

The rest of government would still be funded, but the fight would have changed to two agencies that do not have decent reputations to them. If Boehner had kept is word this fight would mostly be over with Obamacare having to be refought on procedural grounds, which is where the House can win. Agency by agency, department by department.

Instead Boehner went back to easy-sleazy.

So if you are fighting to get Obamacare dead, then change completely what is being offered and make the D’s vote it down if they dare. And the thing is, it is a fastball bill: a CR with just a few stipulations to it. A single amendment would do it.

That takes not guts, but a certain level of cunning. If you are certain Obamacare can’t be rolled out perfectly as Congress said it should be, then you have no fears of what will happen with passage of the bill. The D’s and the easy-sleazy R’s would… screw ‘em.

All it takes is one clever conservative in the House or Senate, and then things get fun.

ajacksonian on September 21, 2013 at 11:35 AM

ajacksonian, please send your thought, cut/paste, 100% spot on, to the more daring critters in the House/senate.

It’s the moment in time where it’s worth it.

Madison gave the congress the power of the purse but the fools are not using it. The oaf in chief has already breached obama’care’ at least 20,000 times…and they let him…

It’s now or never. obama’care’ and amnesty will kill the land off.

Schadenfreude on September 21, 2013 at 2:04 PM

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