DWS: Once Americans start experiencing Obamacare, “they’re not going to want to let it go”

posted at 4:01 pm on September 20, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

That’s one way to spin the ol’ narrative, I suppose — that Republicans are actually trembling in fear that Americans are going to fall head over heels in love with ObamaCare once all of those pesky “glitches” are worked out (whenever that may be), and that’s precisely why conservatives are looking to thwart and undermine it in each and every way possible. That seems to be the line of thought running around in Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz‘s head, anyway:

CHRIS HAYES: Is there some point where there is victory here? Ae we doomed to be fighting about Obamacare until I am an old man?

REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ (D-FL): I don’t think so. In fact, that is exactly why the tea party Republicans are hell-bent on doing everything they can to try to stop Obamacare from going online on October 1st. Because even as Ted Cruz said the other day, this is the real transparent deal here, Chris, is that they know that once people realize the benefits of Obamacare, once they can no longer be dropped or denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, once they are able to fully benefit from the coverage that will be provided, they’re not going to want to let it go. … That is what the Republicans are desperate to prevent from coming fully online because they know that there’s no turning back after that, and they know they will have lost. And that’s why they’re willing to harm the economy in order to stop it from happening.

Err, sorry, but I actually don’t “know” that Republicans “will have lost” at all. Anything is possible, I suppose, and entitlements once granted don’t tend to readily reverse themselves, but my assessment of the situation would run rather the other way: That Democrats are the ones panicking that ObamaCare’s longstanding unpopularity is only going to grow worse as people are forced to either buy insurance or pay a penalty, and that often the coverage they’ll be forced to buy will be substandard while in the meantime the quality of and waiting times for health care across the country decline. Health and Human Services released a study earlier this week, for instance, triumphantly proclaiming that millions of Americans (individuals, not households, ahem) will be eligible for insurance premiums of less than (a very loosely calculated) $100/week. What they neglected to mention, however, was that a huge chunk of their highly generous estimate was merely the result of shifting people onto a highly faulty Medicaid program and not a miraculously inexpensive function of the entire brilliant system.


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She’s being disheveled-while-stupid again.

SteveInRTP on September 20, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Like… crack.

Akzed on September 20, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Then have Reid put it for a vote Debbie–stand up and let your Dems be counted before 2014 mid-terms, if it is such an awesome program. Yeah, didn’t think so mayonnaise for shampoo d-bag.

hillsoftx on September 20, 2013 at 4:06 PM

With progressives everything is political. Conservatives don’t fare well putting principle over partisanship. Defund Obamacare. It’s the principled thing to do.

Nexialist on September 20, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Unbelievable. These people are shameless.

Murphy9 on September 20, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Welll, yahhhh!!!
Just like the first time I went to the DMV and thought, wow, this is such a great fun place, the people are sooooo nice and helpful, why I just want to come back every day!!!
And don’t even get me started about all the fantastic visits to the IRS, Social Security, Post Office, VA Hospital, and so many other wonderful places brought to us by the federal gubmint.
I’m sure Obamacare is going to be just as grrrrreat!!!!

dentarthurdent on September 20, 2013 at 4:09 PM

CHRIS HAYES: Is there some point where there is victory here? Ae we doomed to be fighting about Obamacare until I am an old man?

Man?!?

NotCoach on September 20, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Anything is possible, I suppose, and entitlements once granted don’t tend to readily reverse themselves, but my assessment of the situation would run rather the other way: That Democrats are the ones panicking that ObamaCare’s longstanding unpopularity is only going to grow worse as people are forced to either buy insurance or pay a penalty, and that often the coverage they’ll be forced to buy will be substandard while in the meantime the quality of and waiting times for health care across the country decline.

I have almost been convinced that this “train wreck” needs to go forward so that Let It Burn can commence. The problem is that Washington will just continue to try and fix the train wreck with more bailing wire and Elmer’s glue instead of repealing and starting over. And that will inevitably lead to Single Payer.

Bitter Clinger on September 20, 2013 at 4:10 PM

DWS: Once Americans start experiencing Obamacare, “they’re not going to want to let it go”

Says one of the people who exempted themselves from its coverage.

Cicero43 on September 20, 2013 at 4:11 PM

if Republicans were smart, unfortunately they are not, what they should instead of trying to defund it they should make the law go into effect right away, no waivers no delays on anything, and see how the people like it.

RonK on September 20, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Once Americans start experiencing Obamacare, “they’re not going to want to let it go it will be too late to do anything about it”

db on September 20, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Then answer the question…

… Why all the exemptions?

Seven Percent Solution on September 20, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Indeed, 7%…NO exemptions for anyone, beg. with obama and his clan!!!

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Cloward Piven in action

Grunt on September 20, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Scumhag extraordinaire, along with Pelosi.

Leftist women are soooo ugly, from the inside first.

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2013 at 4:14 PM

The problem is that Washington will just continue to try and fix the train wreck with more bailing wire and Elmer’s glue instead of repealing and starting over. And that will inevitably lead to Single Payer.

Bitter Clinger on September 20, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Therein lies the problem. Once the subsidies start, any attempt to tinker with the system will be met with the usual “You want poor people to DIE!!!eleventy!!!” business.

Kafir on September 20, 2013 at 4:14 PM

The same could be said of heroin, but that doesn’t make it a good thing.

CurtZHP on September 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

There are things running through Deb’s head. Doubt they are thoughts.

katy the mean old lady on September 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Too funny – Drudge

OBAMA: Republicans ‘trying to mess with me’…
‘We are not some Banana Republic’…

Hah, who are you kidding, dummy?

Welcome to the US of Zimbabwe. YOU won just like the last round of Mugabe.

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2013 at 4:16 PM

If DWS is so sure of her assertion, revoke all those waivers and lock Congresscritters and their staffs in to it. Let’s do this the liberal way: If we don’t like it and can’t escape it, neither can anyone else.

Liam on September 20, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Therein lies the problem. Once the subsidies start, any attempt to tinker with the system will be met with the usual “You want poor people to DIE!!!eleventy!!!” business.

Kafir on September 20, 2013 at 4:14 PM

well with affordable health care they did just that, having health insurance and I use the term loosely, does not mean you will get to see the Doctor, if you can find one

RonK on September 20, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Therein lies the problem. Once the subsidies start, any attempt to tinker with the system will be met with the usual “You want poor people to DIE!!!eleventy!!!” business.

Kafir on September 20, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Depends what your individual case is. In some cases the increase in the cost of your health insurance due to new Obamacare mandates and taxes will be more than the subsidy you can get.

In some cases the subsidy will be more than the forced increases in the cost of insurance, so that demographic might benefit. On the other hand, that demographic may be young people for whom it might make more sense to just go uninsured.

I predict there will be millions of LIVs that suddenly realize that Obamacare is not ‘FREE’.

slickwillie2001 on September 20, 2013 at 4:21 PM

There are things running through Deb’s head. Doubt they are thoughts.

katy the mean old lady on September 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Getting in DWS’s head is a place no one should ever go.

Bitter Clinger on September 20, 2013 at 4:22 PM

You can start experiencing Obamacare now!

Just shove some aluminum foil in your mouth and start chewing!

pilamaye on September 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Note to Debbie – Labor Pains

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Mark my words – obama’care’ will destroy the union membership.

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Vomit. Total garbage.

If OC is so FREAKING great, why are you exempt from it? You raving nutjob. How about YOU FIRST!

PermanentWaves on September 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM

She is right in a way…. not because most will like it, but once people are on it, the dems will use it as a political tool to say ” See the Republicans want to take away the health care for those that need it!”.

It will work too… most Americans will not want to take the health care away from those on it.

watertown on September 20, 2013 at 4:25 PM

I’ve lost my insurance twice this yr I’d like DWS to pay the 7,000 I owe now. And DWS would you please stop wearing noodles on your head?

tinkerthinker on September 20, 2013 at 4:26 PM

You can start experiencing Obamacare now!

Just shove some aluminum foil in your mouth and start chewing!

pilamaye on September 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Heh.

antipc on September 20, 2013 at 4:26 PM

“..they’re not going to want to let it go.”

Somehow, that reminds me of “Once you try Black, you’ll never go back.”

SailorMark on September 20, 2013 at 4:27 PM

I predict there will be millions of LIVs that suddenly realize that Obamacare is not ‘FREE’.

slickwillie2001 on September 20, 2013 at 4:21 PM

A lot of the young people aren’t working and can stay on Mom & Dad’s policy until they’re 26. And then, because they aren’t working, they’ll get nearly 100% subsidized coverage. I still haven’t figured out the logic of letting young people stay on the parents policy when the system needs young people paying in to make it “work”. Granted, the goal isn’t for it to work, but to get to Single Payer, but still.

Bitter Clinger on September 20, 2013 at 4:28 PM

OBAMA: Republicans The American people ‘trying to mess with me’…
‘We are not some Banana Republic’…

FIFH

Mimzey on September 20, 2013 at 4:29 PM

DWS: Once Americans non employable moocher entitlement leeches start experiencing Obamacare, “they’re not going to want to let it go”

Free stuff. Get your free stuff!

portlandon on September 20, 2013 at 4:30 PM

DWS: Once Americans start experiencing Obamacare, “they’re not going to want to let it go”

“When I slap you around, you’ll take it and you’ll like it!”

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 20, 2013 at 4:31 PM

“…once people realize the benefits of Obamacare… they’re not going to want to let it go.”

Congressional staffers couldn’t drop it fast enough.

de rigueur on September 20, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Never surrender

Republicans shouldn’t give up the fight. With the weight of Obamacare set to crash down on the country in the coming year, now is a perfect time for members of Congress to try again to protect the American people from all or some the law’s harmful effects. Republicans may lack control of the Senate and the White House, but they should continue to fight for whatever they might be able to achieve, such as attaching anti-fraud measures to Obamacare or delaying the individual mandate so long as the business mandate is delayed.

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Unfortunately, she’s probably right. All the while they’re getting their subsidies from Obamacare, they’ll see their standard of living going down even further, from higher taxes that hit all, or higher prices via inflation, and being completely ignorant as to why.

rickv404 on September 20, 2013 at 4:34 PM

A lot of the young people aren’t working and can stay on Mom & Dad’s policy until they’re 26. And then, because they aren’t working, they’ll get nearly 100% subsidized coverage. I still haven’t figured out the logic of letting young people stay on the parents policy when the system needs young people paying in to make it “work”. Granted, the goal isn’t for it to work, but to get to Single Payer, but still.

Bitter Clinger on September 20, 2013 at 4:28 PM

I am not 100% certain, but I think Obamacare makes them get their own insurance if they draw any sort of paycheck, even part time work. IIRC it gets them off their parents insurance and places them in the big pool if they have any sort of income from a job. I will have to look at it again. But I do remember a W2 reportable income thingy.

Johnnyreb on September 20, 2013 at 4:34 PM

There are things running through Deb’s head. Doubt they are thoughts.

katy the mean old lady on September 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Getting in DWS’s head is a place no one should ever go.

Bitter Clinger on September 20, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Deep Thought comes to mind…

Del Dolemonte on September 20, 2013 at 4:35 PM

You know, Deb…that’s what they said about “the Carousel” in the movie “Logan’s Run”.

kingsjester on September 20, 2013 at 4:38 PM

The only thing that I got from this interview, after
enduring the claims of a deranged Idiot, was that
Hayes Claims he’s a Man.

ToddPA on September 20, 2013 at 4:39 PM

When the left/right hate you, you’re doing the right thing.

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Del Dolemonte on September 20, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Oh goody….now I’ll have that tune in my head for a week…..

Thanks.

BobMbx on September 20, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Because even as Ted Cruz said the other day, this is the real transparent deal here, Chris, is that they know that once people realize the benefits of Obamacare, once they can no longer be dropped or denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, once they are able to fully benefit from the coverage that will be provided, they’re not going to want to let it go.

Really Debbie? Ted Cruz SAID that? Can you pull out the video where he said that Debbie?

Debbie Shultz, mistress of “jus makin’ shit up!”.

GarandFan on September 20, 2013 at 4:42 PM

A lot of the young people aren’t working and can stay on Mom & Dad’s policy until they’re 26. And then, because they aren’t working, they’ll get nearly 100% subsidized coverage. I still haven’t figured out the logic of letting young people stay on the parents policy when the system needs young people paying in to make it “work”. Granted, the goal isn’t for it to work, but to get to Single Payer, but still.

Bitter Clinger on September 20, 2013 at 4:28 PM

I am not 100% certain, but I think Obamacare makes them get their own insurance if they draw any sort of paycheck, even part time work. IIRC it gets them off their parents insurance and places them in the big pool if they have any sort of income from a job. I will have to look at it again. But I do remember a W2 reportable income thingy.

Johnnyreb on September 20, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Even if they do stay one of their parent’s policies, that’s not free either. Many (most?) employers pay the majority of the premium for the worker, but once wives and children are added to the policy the worker’s contribution climbs quickly.

slickwillie2001 on September 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Health and Human Services released a study earlier this week, for instance, triumphantly proclaiming that millions of Americans (individuals, not households, ahem) will be eligible for insurance premiums of less than (a very loosely calculated) $100/week. What they neglected to mention, however, was that a huge chunk of their highly generous estimate was merely the result of shifting people onto a highly faulty Medicaid program and not a miraculously inexpensive function of the entire brilliant system.

Firstly, the study actually said $100/mo., not per week. But that’s offset by the truly sinister hidden qualifier. It’s $100 per month per person. Which for a family does end up being $100/week, so in a way you ended up technically correct. Except for the fact that this is not your actual cost, but the amount you pay after they give you a magical tax rebate and immediately apply it to your premium, thus masking the true cost of the plan.

I am not 100% certain, but I think Obamacare makes them get their own insurance if they draw any sort of paycheck, even part time work.

Johnnyreb on September 20, 2013 at 4:34 PM

No. They have the option to stay on even if their employer offers a plan.

The Schaef on September 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM

An obvious question to me would have been, “Why does the TEA Party oppose Obamacare?”

She’d still come up with BS, but these Libs can’t come up with anything other than racism or some such nonsense.

All in all, a pretty sweet deal for the insurance companies. The TEA Party Conservatives (I’m an exception) won’t attack them because they’re private entities and therefore can do no wrong, they get millions of non-customers to become customers and give them money because the Gov’t says they have to or else, they can now charge whatever they want because the Bureaucracy will shield them, they can offer less and less over time for the same aforementioned reason, and they have the Dems defending them along with a corrupt GOP.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I still haven’t figured out the logic of letting young people stay on the parents policy when the system needs young people paying in to make it “work”. Granted, the goal isn’t for it to work, but to get to Single Payer, but still.

Bitter Clinger on September 20, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Its an exaggeration used to get him re-elected.

Do you know what the age was before it was 26?
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25. Thats right, ObamaCare added 1 year to the “mommy policy”, and then ran around for a year screaming about what a favor he did for young people by allowing them to stay on mummmy and daddy’s policy UNTIL THEY WERE 26! OMG! King Solomon resurrected!

BobMbx on September 20, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Many (most?) employers pay the majority of the premium for the worker, but once wives and children are added to the policy the worker’s contribution climbs quickly.

slickwillie2001 on September 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I suppose they wouldn’t cover children either if they don’t cover spouses. I am not really good on civilian insurance as I am Retired Navy.

Johnnyreb on September 20, 2013 at 4:49 PM

I suppose they wouldn’t cover children either if they don’t cover spouses. I am not really good on civilian insurance as I am Retired Navy.

Johnnyreb on September 20, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Sure, but why would they let Tricare For Life off Scot free? Also, what need would there be fore Medicare and Medicaid?

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 20, 2013 at 4:53 PM

I suppose they wouldn’t cover children either if they don’t cover spouses. I am not really good on civilian insurance as I am Retired Navy.

Johnnyreb on September 20, 2013 at 4:49 PM

A decent company with good insurance options usually has options for employee only, employee + spouse, employee + family.
The employee + family covers spouse and/or kids all for one price – usually no matter how many kids there are.
With most corporate sponsored policies, for family coverage, employee + spouse + 10 kids would carry the same monthly premiums as employee + spouse + 1 kid. But the big family will pay more for actual services as a result of co-pays and individual deductibles.

dentarthurdent on September 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM

unfortunately she is right, once low info Americans get more *free* shit, they will want to keep it, and abuse it, and defraud it, and exploit it…

burserker on September 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Sure, but why would they let Tricare For Life off Scot free? Also, what need would there be fore Medicare and Medicaid?

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 20, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Tricare for Life has been on life support for the last year or so. You are forced to buy Part B Medicare before you can use it. Until O care came along you could purchase one of those Medicare Advantage plans that would cover what Part B didn’t for a small fee. Now those are gone. Until someone comes up with a stop gap coverage plan to cover the gap, Tricare for Life is dead in the Water. 80/20 coverage with a yearly cap and not much of a catastrophic cap either. So much for my promised free medical care for life.

Johnnyreb on September 20, 2013 at 5:09 PM

unfortunately she is right, once low info Americans get more *free* shit, they will want to keep it, and abuse it, and defraud it, and exploit it…

burserker on September 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Ya – and they won’t understand how that relates to the fact that they can’t seem to buy as much with the money they have.
Same as how they cry for a higher minimum wage, and when they get it, and prices for everything go up, they have no clue why it is they still can’t make ends meet…

dentarthurdent on September 20, 2013 at 5:10 PM

the small percentage of the population that this will benefir will not want to give this up=

early retirees. early retire websites LOVE Obamacare.

gerrym51 on September 20, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Johnnyreb on September 20, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Didn’t realize that it was that bad. But, to think of it, my dad was retired USAF and I know he had supplemental insurance of some kind, maybe what you were talking about + something else?

For many years after his retirement in the early ’70s he (and mom) could go to the nearby base hospital for medical and prescriptions-then they stopped doing that and rolled out Tricare.

Yeah, it’s not what you were lead to believe when you went in.

Also, they’re mulling the idea of a 401K type retirement plan for military. I actually think that might be a good thing, because no matter how long you’re in, you’re guaranteed something.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Also, they’re mulling the idea of a 401K type retirement plan for military. I actually think that might be a good thing, because no matter how long you’re in, you’re guaranteed something.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM

But will there be some kind of “corporate contribution”?
Without that, it’s just an individual IRA, which isn’t much of a benefit for a career in the military.

dentarthurdent on September 20, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Deb,

How the hell would you know? Have you read the bill?

You’re exempt right?

Then have Reid put it for a vote Debbie–stand up and let your Dems be counted before 2014 mid-terms, if it is such an awesome program. Yeah, didn’t think so mayonnaise for shampoo d-bag.

hillsoftx on September 20, 2013 at 4:06 PM

You said it hillsoftx, spot on.

dogsoldier on September 20, 2013 at 5:28 PM

dentarthurdent on September 20, 2013 at 5:10 PM

the sad demise of America, ruined from within…

burserker on September 20, 2013 at 5:32 PM

So here is the sell;

Nancy Pelosi said we had to pass it to see what was in it. Over the objection of many, it was passed.

Now that most of the American people have had a chance to see how this will impact their lives, they’ve let us know how they feel about it. We listened, and we stand here ready to act on behalf of the American people.

Based on the tone of our town halls and virtually every poll we’ve seen in the past 6 months – the vast majority of Americans want this train stopped before it leaves the station. And how can we blame them? The President himself has been handing out exemptions to select groups so that they will not be required to participate in this grand adventure. Yes, this includes Congress, and the hypocrisy is not lost on the American people.

The President has been willing to negotiate with Russia, Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brother leadership. But according to Jay Carney, he’s not willing to negotiate with his own countrymen. Call it what you wish, but this is not leadership.

We acknowledge that the President will not repeal this law. We acknowledge that a Senate lead by Harry Reid will not allow this to even be considered.

The Presidents lines of “Common sense legislation” and “Willingness to cooperate” are tired and false.

The average American is learning the following:
They can’t keep their doctor
They can’t keep their health plan
Their out of pocket costs will be going up.

We’ve listened to the AMERICAN PEOPLE, not a selective lobby, and they’ve let us know that their unhappy.

To the credit of President Obama, and his allies in the main stream press, he’s done an extremely effective job at painting the House Republicans as extremists who care for little for anyone but themselves.

Let me steal one of the Presidents favorite lines:
Let me be clear; we have offered sensible budget proposals, and alternatives to the Affordable Care Act.

In spite of what many people believe to be true, we in the House of Representatives are doing our job. We are doing it in a competent, way to ensure both the short term and long term needs of the American people can be met. It’s incredibly unfortunate that both the President and Senator Reid put their personal politics before the common welfare of the American people.

With all this said, The most common sense action that the House of Representatives can offer at this time is to provide a budget that will allow the Federal Govt to continue operating at present levels, but does not take on the added burden of the Affordable Care Act.

That’s my 2 cents worth.

hoakie on September 20, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Once Americans start experiencing Obamacare your money, they are NOT going to want to let it go.

There. Fixed it.

rebarnard on September 20, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Anyone listening to this retard?

RdLake on September 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM

DWS is not off base in half her claim. Those Republicans and Hotair posters who want to shut down the government to stop O-Care from happening also believe that once on the system people will love it. Why else would they want to risk the political damage from a government shutdown? Unlike little JAP Debbie or the frightened Republican firebrands I don’t see the people who lose their jobs or face lower income, their quality health insurance and their doctors falling in love with socialized medicine. I am not willing to throw the die when I know the ill effects of O-care will work to the Republicans advantage in 2014 and 2016.

jerryofva on September 20, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Once Americans start experiencing it, “they’re not going to want to let it go”

A lot of people had that same thought about their full-time job, which is now gone due to… Obamacare.

beatcanvas on September 20, 2013 at 5:45 PM

But will there be some kind of “corporate contribution”?
Without that, it’s just an individual IRA, which isn’t much of a benefit for a career in the military.

dentarthurdent on September 20, 2013 at 5:28 PM

That is true. I made the assumption that there would be a taxpayer contribution.

I just don’t know how the balance sheet looks to the bureaucrats on this, though. How much would have to be paid out by the DOD to many more individuals who don’t do a full 20 years (or 30 in the Guard or Reserves) vs. how many retire with the 50% of base (or more if over 20 years) pay?

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 20, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Man, Chris Hayes’ voice is unbearable.

He sounds like a cat, tied up inside a pillowcase, fighting to wrestle itself loose as a commuter train comes unhinged from poorly lubricated rails…

Washington Fancy on September 20, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 20, 2013 at 5:46 PM

I know they’re just looking to cut costs, but the consequences will be that far fewer people will be willing to put in 20 or more years of military service.
So if what you really want to do is destroy the US military, this would be a good start – not that they haven’t already started that in other ways….

dentarthurdent on September 20, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Man, Chris Hayes’ voice is unbearable.

He sounds like a cat, tied up inside a pillowcase, fighting to wrestle itself loose as a commuter train comes unhinged from poorly lubricated rails…

Washington Fancy on September 20, 2013 at 5:49 PM

I get you but how about DWS/AKA the Frazzled One/ and her voice? Just her nasty mug reminds me of her voice ….makes me Cringe.

CW on September 20, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Also, they’re mulling the idea of a 401K type retirement plan for military. I actually think that might be a good thing, because no matter how long you’re in, you’re guaranteed something.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM

The Military already has a individual 401k with no match. They can keep it even when they leave and not have to roll anything over.

DOD Civilians can get up to $4.00 in a match. The First 3 dollars are matched one for one, the next two are 50 cents for the dollar. Not a bad deal. But there is no match for military even on the drawing board, just a continuation of the erosion from the serve 20 and get 50% base.

Johnnyreb on September 20, 2013 at 6:25 PM

I am not willing to throw the die when I know the ill effects of O-care will work to the Republicans advantage in 2014 and 2016.

jerryofva on September 20, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Perhaps, but O-Care won’t be going away at that point either.

Bitter Clinger on September 20, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Lucky me I live in this See You Next Tuesday’s district. The idiots that are my neighbors really should stop inbreeding then maybe one of the generations might actually think for itself.

bbinfl on September 20, 2013 at 7:06 PM

CHRIS HAYES: Is there some point where there is victory here? Ae we doomed to be fighting about Obamacare until I am an old man?

That’s a man? I thought it was a hermaphrodite.

bbinfl on September 20, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Does anyone know what brand of mayonnaise DWS uses in her hair?

BJ* on September 20, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Then answer the question…

… Why all the exemptions?

Seven Percent Solution on September 20, 2013 at 4:11 PM

….thank you!…it’s so simple

KOOLAID2 on September 20, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Chris is so much more… “feminine” than Debbie.

bofh on September 20, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Saw the title of the post. Had to do this…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

(Never gonna give you up)

cs89 on September 20, 2013 at 11:12 PM

You don’t know how good DWS is until you try her. Once you experience her and run your fingers through her hair (a mop dipped in egg white?) you’re never going to let her go!!!!!

MaiDee on September 20, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Electroshock. That would explain the brain malfunction and the hair.

Kenosha Kid on September 21, 2013 at 12:00 AM

That’s easy for her to say since she is exempt

jaywemm on September 21, 2013 at 12:04 AM

Key question in the new Civil Service Qualification Examination: (Fill in the blank space)

ONCE AMERICANS ________________________________”they’re not going to want to let it go.”

A. Have group sex with a porcupine, 2 skunks and a rabid weasel
B. Slide down a bannister topped with sharpened razor blades.
C. Jump off the Empires State Building head first into a barrel of mineral acid.
D. French kiss a jar-full of black widow spiders.
E French kiss DWS
F Have oral sex performed on them by ‘Jaws’
G Start Experiencing Obamacare
H All of the above
I All of the above except ‘G’.

MaiDee on September 21, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Silly question. Is the 47% now the 51%?

{o.o}

herself on September 21, 2013 at 3:16 AM

Yes, the electrified fence effect.

Axeman on September 21, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Then answer the question…

… Why all the exemptions?

Seven Percent Solution on September 20, 2013 at 4:11 PM

….thank you!…it’s so simple

KOOLAID2 on September 20, 2013 at 8:22 PM

You wingnuts!! That’s the part they’re never going to want to let go of!!

Axeman on September 21, 2013 at 9:29 AM

I’m afraid she’s right. The ones who have little or no income will get subsidies to pay for health care. Huge majority are already on medicaid, the influx of medicaid roles will triple in most states.

The ones of us who WORK for a living and should our employer drop us…then we pay the high premiums or quit work like the majority are doing and ‘get handouts’

America is not the country it once was.

Redford on September 21, 2013 at 2:27 PM

It will only be free in theory. In practice, even low-income individuals will have to pay … for inferior and rationed services.

Unless we bring back slavery, there will be no doctors willing to work for nothing. And the “pre-existing conditions” rule will force insurance companies out of business because they cannot control their risks.

The IRS will have trouble collecting their fines so the threshold for exacting it will need to be lowered. People will go to prison for not paying. This will be so unpopular, hundreds of lawsuits will be filed, creatively forcing the Supreme Court to look at this again, and again, until it is stopped.

Oddly, getting insurance companies and employers out of the healthcare administration business could be a good thing. We need to encourage people to pay cash as “fee for service”. This simplification would save billions. The reason this probably won’t happen is because the government leech has attached itself to the existing healthcare system (which it will kill).

virgo on September 22, 2013 at 1:29 AM