Video: Rick Perry and Martin O’Malley throw down on Texas v. Maryland

posted at 2:01 pm on September 19, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Texas Gov. Rick Perry has a running campaign going to attract companies and jobs to his state’s low-tax, pro-growth business environment, and he turned his attention to Maryland last week with radio and television ads suggesting to Maryland residents that, “when you grow tired of Maryland taxes squeezing every dime out of your business, think Texas, where we’ve created more jobs than all the other states combined.” Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley was neither pleased nor impressed by this display of Texas gumption, insisting that “the gentleman is all hat and no cattle” in defense of his own economic track record.

CNN got the two rumoredly potential presidential contenders together on Crossfire last night to duke out the respective economic merits of their states; Perry may have succumbed to a few of the verbal stumbles to which he is wont, but he and Gingrich together gave O’Malley a pretty thorough going-over to which I’m not convinced O’Malley adequately rejoined. There’s a fuller transcript at RCP:

GINGRICH: Let me ask — let me ask you this. As an objective fact, in the five years you’ve been governor, Texas has gained 440,000 people. According to the U.S. Census, Maryland has lost 20,000.

Now, if we’re having all this upward trajectory, why is Texas doing 22 times better in population migration over the last five years than Maryland?

O’MALLEY: Actually, you need to check your facts. We’ve actually added 230,000 people. And we’ve actually grown by 4 percent. But that fact is dubiously put out by some blogs…

GINGRICH: This is the U.S. Census.

CUTTER: And I think the other issue is that the number of people coming to Texas, those are lot of low-wage workers looking for jobs, and that’s where they’re finding them, in Texas.

PERRY: Again, you’re absolutely incorrect on that. Look, how do you — how do you justify, how do you stand there and say that you’ve got all these low-wage workers that are coming to Texas when Facebook, eBay, all of the technology companies, Apple — you’ve got, again, Caterpillar, Toyota — major manufacturers that are coming into the state of Texas?

Martin’s state lost 4,700 jobs in July. That’s the fact. You lost 4,700 jobs in July. Texas created 18,200. So this idea that, I mean, there’s some real…


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Socialism vs. Capitalism

I love Perry’s odds.

Schadenfreude on September 19, 2013 at 2:03 PM

So a Texan goes at it with a Progressive
Pansie azz??

Yeah, this will be a fair fight…..

ToddPA on September 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM

I still like Perry. But Cruz can talk circles around him.

John the Libertarian on September 19, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Watch the 22 minute video if you want but-

Perry: We pray for rain, you tax it.

Pretty much sums up all you need to know.

Happy Nomad on September 19, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Yeah, this will be a fair fight…..

ToddPA on September 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM

As they say in the military – “if you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn’t plan well enough”.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Perry might want to be careful about any arguments about gun rights.
From what I’ve seen in the news of Texas cops harrassing and arresting people for perfectly legal open carry, I can’t help but wonder just how “gun friendly” Texas really is….

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Perry should start considering the creation of Libertarian Economic Zones within the state.

Create areas where state and federal taxes and regs are nullified and see what happens.

The feds won’t like it, but they cannot act without causing a constitutional conundrum.

StubbleSpark on September 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Good thing this event wasn’t held in Baltimore..

..in a city of residents that make Rachel Jeantel
look like a Rhodes Scholar, they would’ve had to
have an Interpreter…

ToddPA on September 19, 2013 at 2:17 PM

CUTTER: And I think the other issue is that the number of people coming to Texas, those are lot of low-wage workers looking for jobs, and that’s where they’re finding them, in Texas.

So what?
When you create jobs, some will be “low wage”.
But the major point Perry should have is at least low wage people can actually find a job in Texas – not so much in Maryland….

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:17 PM

I cannot stand that whoreFluke Cutter.

Murphy9 on September 19, 2013 at 2:18 PM

I’m digging Perry’s new Clark Kent look .

EnglishRogue on September 19, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Hope Perry keeps it about jobs and taxes. No need to insult the people we want moving here to work. The only thing I know about Maryland is Baltimore. No comment.

DanMan on September 19, 2013 at 2:21 PM

just remember your are bringing progressive leaning people also, like Davis, isn’t she from Rhode Island

RonK on September 19, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Hey there Cutter, didn’t a group of fast food folks strike due to low wage jobs???

Say there Cutter, hasn’t there been an argument over minimum wage amounts, across the country – with Cali voting in $10???

Say there Cutter, aren’t there more unemployed people in the country, with the slowest wage increase in 40+ years???

Say there Cutter, aren’t “new jobs” being counted twice for the person who was hired for 4 months, fired, then hired for 4 months?

Odie1941 on September 19, 2013 at 2:24 PM

if it were easy not socialism we would have done it a long time ago. But people were not evolved stupid enough to fall for the system ponzi scam until now.

rgranger on September 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM

I always enjoy Stephanie Cutter….

…she belongs in a Sanitarium, but aside from that,
she’s entertaining….

ToddPA on September 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM

My favorite downeast Maine vs Texan jokes:
A Texas rancher on vacation in Maine sees an old farmer near the road, so he stops and asks the Mainah what kind of spread he has.
The Mainah says, “well, from heah down to that old oak tree, then along that stone wall down to the crick, then up along the crick to that otha stone wall and on back up to the road heah.”
The Texan says “well on my spread down in Texas, I can get in my truck and drive all day and all night and not reach the end of my ranch”.
The Mainah says “ayuh, I once had a truck like that….”

Thank you… I’ll be here all week.
Tip your wait-staff…

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Cutter was cut.

Schadenfreude on September 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Happy, I think that you almost had it…

Perry: We make it rain, you tax it.

Pretty much sums up all you need to know.

rgranger on September 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Perry might want to be careful about any arguments about gun rights.
From what I’ve seen in the news of Texas cops harrassing and arresting people for perfectly legal open carry, I can’t help but wonder just how “gun friendly” Texas really is….

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM

That’s a fair point but the reality is, besides a collection of idiot power hungry Barnie Fifs, Texas is very gun friendly.

MoreLiberty on September 19, 2013 at 2:28 PM

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM

you might want to investigate those cops, I would be willing to bet they are imports from other states, couldn’t get a job there so they came to Texas.

RonK on September 19, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Yeah but Maryland has all those high paying government and lobbyist jobs!

gwelf on September 19, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Hope Perry keeps it about jobs and taxes. No need to insult the people we want moving here to work. The only thing I know about Maryland is Baltimore. No comment.

DanMan on September 19, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Does Texas really want the people to move to Texas?
I would think they should want the companies to move to Texas and hire Texans to do the work. Leave the libtard worker-bees who keep voting in people like O’Malley where they are.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Her mouth, that nasty baby fish mouth.

MontanaMmmm on September 19, 2013 at 2:30 PM

CUTTER: And I think the other issue is that the number of people coming to Texas, those are lot of low-wage workers looking for jobs, and that’s where they’re finding them, in Texas.

Dem math at work.

Low wage jobs= beneath contempt.

No jobs= A far nobler state of being than working low wage jobs.

Happy Nomad on September 19, 2013 at 2:30 PM

230K moved to Maryland…

WHERE?!?!?!

The state’s an overgrown metro park!

O’Malley’s classic Dem. He will say anything and not blink.

I know all pols lie, but Dem’s just have this amazing ability to lie and push it through, knowing if they don’t concede then reality cannot intecede on the agenda.

budfox on September 19, 2013 at 2:31 PM

tru dat RonK, Nancy D’Alessandro Pelosi hails from Maryland too.

DanMan on September 19, 2013 at 2:31 PM

State-by-State Comparison
Population 

Texas: 26,059,203


Maryland: 5,884,563


Source: World Atlas

Unemployment
Texas: 6.5 percent 


Maryland: 6.7 percent


Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

High School Graduation Rates
Texas: 87.7 percent


Maryland: 83.6 percent

Source:
Maryland State Department of Education and Texas Education Agency

Money Spent Per Student
Maryland: $13,871


Texas: $8,671


Source: U.S. Census

Median Household Income
Maryland: $70,004


Texas: $50,010


Source: U.S. Census

State Income Tax
Texas: o percent


Maryland: 2 percent to 5.75 percent depending on personal income 


Source: Maryland Comptroller

Median Home Value
Maryland: $286,758


Texas: $177,300


Sources: Maryland Association of Realtors and Texas Association of Realtors

Colleges in the Top 100
Texas: 5 (Rice University, University of Texas Austin, Southern Methodist University, Texas A&M University College Station and Texas Christian University)


Maryland: 2 (John Hopkins University and University of Maryland College Park)
Source: U.S. News

U.S. Presidents
Texas: 2 (President Dwight Eisenhower and President Lyndon B. Johnson. President George W. Bush was born in Connecticut.)


Maryland: 0


Source: WhiteHouse.gov

Land Area
Texas: 261,231.71 square miles


Maryland: 9,707.24 square miles


Source: U.S. Census

Super Bowl Titles
Texas: 5 (Dallas Cowboys)


Maryland: 3 (Ravens 2, Baltimore Colts 1)


Source: Statista.com

Miss America Winners
Texas: 2


Maryland: 0


Source: MissAmerica.org

So in Maryland, you can make more money – but housing is more expensive,
taxes are higher – they spend more on each child’s education – that’s more taxes….
Yet the graduation rates are lower than Texas.
We moved from Maryland to Texas in 1970 – and never looked back.

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Any growth that MD has seen is solely the result of massive increases in deficit spending out of DC and the growth of the federal government. It is all smoke and mirrors.

mankai on September 19, 2013 at 2:34 PM

you might want to investigate those cops, I would be willing to bet they are imports from other states, couldn’t get a job there so they came to Texas.

RonK on September 19, 2013 at 2:29 PM

They might be – but I think somebody in Texas gubmint needs to get a handle on them or they will destroy Texas’ supposed “gun friendly” reputation.

When Colorado libtard Dems (redundancy alert) pushed through all the gun control, Perry tried to get Magpul to move to Texas, talking about how gun friendly the state is – as well as the business climate.
That kind of sales pitch for a company like Berretta to leave Maryland could backfire if there continues to be news about cops busting people with guns – just because they have guns.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Does Texas really want the people to move to Texas?
I would think they should want the companies to move to Texas and hire Texans to do the work. Leave the libtard worker-bees who keep voting in people like O’Malley where they are.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:30 PM

No, we want business owners to move their business here and hire Texans…..
The liberals can stay in Maryland and suck on the state government tit.

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Too bad Perry can’t string sentences together. I love him anyway but he could have slammed this idiot in half the time.

rrpjr on September 19, 2013 at 2:36 PM

If Maryland wasn’t next to DC, and able to suck in all those federal dollars, it would have an economic record equivalent to about Rhode Island.

Deafdog on September 19, 2013 at 2:36 PM

230K moved to Maryland…

WHERE?!?!?!

The state’s an overgrown metro park!

Baltimore and Annapolis mostly given we have now passed a glorious new law that gives in state tuition benefits to illegals, along with drivers licences.

Everywhere else people are running from the armpit of DC (read:MD)

And as a MD resident, I can attest to that.

Gatsu on September 19, 2013 at 2:36 PM

So, that was the first time I’ve ever seen extended video of Martin O’Malley.

He’s as phony as a three dollar bill. He makes Frau Pantsuit look genuine…

JohnGalt23 on September 19, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Happy, I think that you almost had it…

Perry: We make it rain, you tax it.

Pretty much sums up all you need to know.

rgranger on September 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM

I see what you did there (and I don’t disagree) but the quote was:

“We pray for rain in Texas, they tax it in Maryland.”

And the fact that Maryland actually does tax the rain sums up the People’s Republic of Maryland pretty well. Maryland used to be the Free State. Now it is the “Free Stuff” state but only for some at the expense of the productive.

Happy Nomad on September 19, 2013 at 2:37 PM

So in Maryland, you can make more money

Just a POI, that is partially because of the number of overpaid federal workers who live there, not because of what the MD economy is producing.

mankai on September 19, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Hope Perry keeps it about jobs and taxes. No need to insult the people we want moving here to work. The only thing I know about Maryland is Baltimore. No comment.

DanMan on September 19, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Yeah, I spent a month in Baltimore one night.

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Texas low-wage jobs = service industry.

Service Industry = clients and customers needing service.

Clients and Customers = people working in non-service sector jobs.

By her logic, service people are serving each other.

Except few are able to frequent the other service industries because the majority of service job times overlap.

In her world, all day and afternoon service sector workers go out to eat. Every night.

Oh excuse me. I didn’t take public sector employment into account.

Cutter’s reality then…

Low-Wage jobs = private service sector waiting on the public SCM, Federal and “education” workers.

That makes sense.

budfox on September 19, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Does Texas really want the people to move to Texas?
I would think they should want the companies to move to Texas and hire Texans to do the work. Leave the libtard worker-bees who keep voting in people like O’Malley where they are.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Capital is a lot more mobile than labor…

JohnGalt23 on September 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM

So, that was the first time I’ve ever seen extended video of Martin O’Malley.

He’s as phony as a three dollar bill. He makes Frau Pantsuit look genuine…

JohnGalt23 on September 19, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Heh, and the dems are saying he is a rising star – 2016 and all of that…..
Oh boy, the socialists are getting desperate.

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM

yeah dentathurdent, I get that angle but in the late 70′s/early 80′s we were swamped with Midwesterners pouring in here like water through a screen. Guess what? most are still here and our politics are fine except in the big cities and economic gravity will take of that soon enough.

There were many Mondays when we would show up to a jobsite with a couple of guys with everything they had stuffed into a rusted out Buick hoping to find some work. I hired many of them. Amazing to see fish packers and machinists learn to swing hammers.

Man back in those days a game of our central division foes (Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Cincy) was like a home game for those teams. Fun times.

DanMan on September 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM

As states go, Maryland is the equivalent of a trust fund brat or a credit card hippie.

forest on September 19, 2013 at 2:41 PM

These don’t look like low paying service jobs:

Eagle Ford Shale jobs are available now – the job board below lists opportunities in the booming South Texas job market. During 2012, there were almost 100,000 jobs supported by oil & gas development – that number is expected to more than double within ten years. The economy is expanding and average salaries are rising across the region.

http://eaglefordshale.com/jobs/

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Just like on the shop floor where you have to have 5-10 “workers” to justify one “supervisor”, it takes multiples of “low wage jobs” to support businesses that have “living” or “high wage” jobs.
Without dozens of Mom&Pop businesses, you won’t have a Costco.
But then, the Left has never been good with math, or history.

Another Drew on September 19, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Heh, and the dems are saying he is a rising star – 2016 and all of that…..
Oh boy, the socialists are getting desperate.

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM

O’Malley is gunning for the VP slot in 2016. And why not? Spiro Agnew was the last VP from Maryland and look how that turned out!

Happy Nomad on September 19, 2013 at 2:43 PM

If Maryland wasn’t next to DC, and able to suck in all those federal dollars, it would have an economic record equivalent to about Rhode Island.

Deafdog on September 19, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Yep.

forest on September 19, 2013 at 2:43 PM

When the torrid affair of then-local reporter Sade Baderinwa and Martin Owe’Malley goes national is when his Presidential hopes should dissolve but he’s a DemocRat so thats probably seen as a term of endearment to those who vote ‘Rat.

ManWithNoName on September 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM

The feds won’t like it, but they cannot act without causing a constitutional conundrum.

StubbleSpark on September 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

The feds don’t care about constitutional conundrums. In fact, the President has expressed (and shown) a certain enthusiasm when it comes to circumventing the will of Congress.

troyriser_gopftw on September 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 2:34 PM

I would shift your Presidents stat more in favor of Texas.
W may have been born in Connecticut, but he spent most of his life in Texas, all of his school years were in Texas, and was Governor of Texas.
I’d say that qualifies him as a Texan.

He11 – if it was me you were talking about (not that I’d ever be President), I was born in Alaska, but have never lived there (beyond 9 months old) – so I don’t consider myself an Alaskan.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM

PERRY: Well, so let’s talk about the number of jobs that are created in the state of Texas. Thirty percent of all the jobs created in America were created in the state of Texas in the last ten years. Some of those were minimum-wage jobs.

But if you know the statistics, 40 percent of individuals that have minimum wage jobs are out of it and moving up in the first year, 80 percent of them after the second year.

So you have to have these minimum-wage jobs to get people in the workforce, and then they work their way up. That’s how it works.

^^This is what the Leftists will avoid talking about at all costs…either because they are economic illiterates or they know the truth and are being deceptive.

Leftists see low-wage jobs as a permanent position for people: the workers accept the low-wage job and are stuck there for the next 60 years. In reality, low-wage jobs pay low wages because they are also low-skill jobs. As the (usually young) worker gains skills they “move up the ladder” as they age and gain workforce experience.

Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams have been writing about this very subject for decades.

visions on September 19, 2013 at 2:46 PM

CUTTER: And I think the other issue is that the number of people coming to Texas, those are lot of low-wage workers looking for jobs, and that’s where they’re finding them, in Texas.

So, people are picking up and moving to Texas because they’re looking for low wage jobs, lol?

xblade on September 19, 2013 at 2:47 PM

As states go, Maryland is the equivalent of a trust fund brat or a credit card hippie.

forest on September 19, 2013 at 2:41 PM

I left Maryland at the end of 6th grade.
The experience at my last school was horrible.
Thugs everywhere. I got harassed on a daily basis…..

I had to ride the bus to school and black bullies ripped me off everyday.
Most of them were dirt poor and lived in ramble-down shacks.
I still remember the smell…..

Once I got to school – many of the white kids (including me) would run
out into the woods behind school and stay there all day. And the teachers
did not care. We only went into the school when it got really cold.
It was like an insane asylum.

Coming to Texas was like being re-born. Yes it was that drastic of a change.

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Facts are racist!

mankai on September 19, 2013 at 2:50 PM

When the torrid affair of then-local reporter Sade Baderinwa and Martin Owe’Malley goes national is when his Presidential hopes should dissolve but he’s a DemocRat so thats probably seen as a term of endearment to those who vote ‘Rat.

ManWithNoName on September 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM

No no I want him to go up on the national stage and throw up all over himself.

The man has ruined what was already a broken state, I want him to ruin himself now and do it so thoroughly he can never recover from it.

MOM is an embarrassment, only fitting he should show the nation.

Gatsu on September 19, 2013 at 2:50 PM

OT-

Pope Francis talked about bishops who were not rooted in their dioceses……

“You must stay, stay! Avoid the scandal of airport bishops,” he said.

Bishops are often invited to attend international seminars and conferences but Francis voiced his indignation at reports of bishops who could never make time for their own flock.

“Careerism is a cancer,” the pontiff said, adding that some bishops trying to raise the profile of their diocese reminded him of those men “who are constantly looking at other women more beautiful than their own.”

“Be welcoming pastors… journeying with your people,” he said, urging the new bishops to keep their door open and phone close at hand.

Don’t you think that would also be good advice for 535 critters in DC?

Happy Nomad on September 19, 2013 at 2:51 PM

CUTTER: And I think the other issue is that the number of people coming to Texas, those are lot of low-wage workers looking for jobs, and that’s where they’re finding them, in Texas.

So either they’re leaving blue states because they’d rather have low-wage jobs than one of those progressive, awesome salaried positions so abundantly available in the blue states… or they’d rather have a low-wage job than either no job at all or wages that are taxed from every side.

You do the math.

mankai on September 19, 2013 at 2:52 PM

I still like Perry. But Cruz can talk circles around him.

John the Libertarian on September 19, 2013 at 2:10 PM

I like Cruz too but he couldn’t even persuade his own father to become a US citizen until 2005? Really? Even after 9/11?

Perhaps Perry will appoint him to the Supreme Court. He’d be great there. A (really) wise latino!

monalisa on September 19, 2013 at 2:53 PM

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

I lived in Maryland until middle of second grade – Pocomoke City over near Chincoteague – when my Dad worked at Wallops Island.
It wasn’t as bad for me as you describe, but then that was late 60s timeframe and that town was mostly white population. My older half-siblings, who are half Eskimo, had more problems than I did due to racial differences.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM

I think the incident to which you are referring took place in the Peoples Republic of Austin. You can get those socialist college whores to come down on any side of a question if you provide the right grant money.

Old Country Boy on September 19, 2013 at 2:59 PM

I think the incident to which you are referring took place in the Peoples Republic of Austin. You can get those socialist college whores to come down on any side of a question if you provide the right grant money.

Old Country Boy on September 19, 2013 at 2:59 PM

The main story I’m talking about was a soldier, or from what I’ve heard multiple soldiers, from Ft Hood – Killeen, TX.
I’ve seen Killeen PD mentioned several times regarding stories like that.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 3:06 PM

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

I’d guess PG county or Baltimore, but unfortunately it’s getting that was lots of places now. If you are young it could be just about anywhere. I live in what still appears to be a pretty nice town, but it won’t be for long thanks mostly to public housing. My kids are old enough for school now an the kids and “parents” are pretty damn rough. 75% on welfare lunch and breakfast. Time to move before they get to a dangerous age.

forest on September 19, 2013 at 3:06 PM

I think the incident to which you are referring took place in the Peoples Republic of Austin. You can get those socialist college whores to come down on any side of a question if you provide the right grant money.

Old Country Boy on September 19, 2013 at 2:59 PM

However, given that several of the stories I’ve read about involve Army soldiers and of course the cops near those bases, I will have to add a caveat. I don’t want to insult our troops, but I’ve also heard from cops in Colorado Springs, and seen in the news, that soldiers from Fort Carson seem to be involved in a bit too much of the criminal activity around the south end of town – near Fort Carson.
So perhaps there’s a reason there are a few too many news reports involving Killeen cops and Ft Hood soldiers walking around town openly carrying weapons.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

The only good thing about Maryland is the Naval Academy. Oh, and crab cakes. That’s it.

Hammer71 on September 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Maryland Census.
Texas Census.
Most recent figures a wash as far as fact checking although think Perry told a whopper about HS Graduation. It is only 80% in Texas 88% in Maryland not even close to figure Perry stated.

But these are two very different States and Maryland survives off Federal Money and much of that money is “private contractors”. So O’Malley is not at all telling the truth about 90% private as many are not so private. I have lived in MD for 15 years. That rain tax is only levied in those four counties. Baltimore sucks money out of the entire state. The Bay Bridge (which goes from DC to the Eastern Shore) toll went up to pay for Baltimore streets. Another way to tax those four counties mostly as many vacation across the bridge.

Steveangell on September 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM

I grew up in MD, just outside Baltimore in Carney. I had a great childhood out in the burbs. While Wm. D. Schaeffer was mayor, the city was amazing – and so was the state for that matter. Maryland is a beautiful state with everything except a desert and a natural lake. It’s too bad that the State and Local Politicos (other than the 5 counties that want too secede) are all complete Marxists. I left in 2009 for the red state of Indiana. What a difference. I miss my family but otherwise will never, ever return to that state. The LIVs in Baltimore City and P.G. County control the fate of the entire state. The Governor (the boy king) is absolutely the worst I had ever endured. he’s a true scumbag of the highest order.

HomeoftheBrave on September 19, 2013 at 3:24 PM

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Still live near there in Salisbury. It is mostly conservative on the Eastern Shore. Though Salisbury does have a ghetto with a lot of crime. Schools have a lot of problems because of that. But the biggest problems the schools have is Common Core and other testing. Teachers do nothing but teach for one test after another. Many teachers quit because of this the others hate teaching in Maryland.

O’Malley has raised taxes like crazy. If not for DC Maryland would be a basket case.

Steveangell on September 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM

I like Cruz too but he couldn’t even persuade his own father to become a US citizen until 2005? Really? Even after 9/11?

Perhaps Perry will appoint him to the Supreme Court. He’d be great there. A (really) wise latino!

monalisa on September 19, 2013 at 2:53 PM

That’s weak.

slickwillie2001 on September 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

HomeoftheBrave on September 19, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Plenty of natural lakes in the Eastern Shore. Nothing like the Great Lakes of course.

Steveangell on September 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Perhaps Perry will appoint him to the Supreme Court. He’d be great there. A (really) wise latino!

monalisa on September 19, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Perry is pro amnesty. His statement about us being heartless if we are not in favor of giving illegal immigrants in state tuition and other breaks will never be lived down. Conservatives are not for giving criminals free anything. Illegal aliens are by definition criminals. College Students adults not children.

I would never vote for illegal immigrant lover Perry.

Steveangell on September 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Perry should start considering the creation of Libertarian Economic Zones within the state.

Create areas where state and federal taxes and regs are nullified and see what happens.

The feds won’t like it, but they cannot act without causing a constitutional conundrum.

StubbleSpark on September 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Make sure those libertarian zones free of regulation are far from fresh water sources.

rickyricardo on September 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Steveangell on September 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

I may be completely wrong and if so, I apologize. I could swear there were no natural lakes there, only large ponds, etc. No matter though, as an East coaster, the Ayshun was/is always my favorite. Right, hon?

HomeoftheBrave on September 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM

It was like an insane asylum.

Coming to Texas was like being re-born. Yes it was that drastic of a change.

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

dayum! what era was this?

DanMan on September 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Most recent figures a wash as far as fact checking although think Perry told a whopper about HS Graduation. It is only 80% in Texas 88% in Maryland not even close to figure Perry stated.

Steveangell on September 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

With a hat tip to redguy for posting this earlier:

High School Graduation Rates
Texas: 87.7 percent


Maryland: 83.6 percent

Source:
Maryland State Department of Education and Texas Education Agency

From whence come your numbers?

Midas on September 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

HomeoftheBrave on September 19, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Steveangell on September 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM

I have good memories from Maryland, although getting very fuzzy since we left so long ago. I do still have some relatives living near Salisbury and Baltimore, and they are mostly left-wing gubmint handout types.
But my parents moved us through all the east coast M states as I was growing up – Maryland, then Massachusetts, then Maine. I miss a lot of the east coast features, especially the beach (I really miss the fresh seafood), but I’ve been pretty happy with Colorado since 1979 – except for what the Dems have been doing recently.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM

HomeoftheBrave on September 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Out of the thousands of lakes in Texas exactly one is natural unless you count the small ox bows of old streams. Caddo Lake sits on the border with Louisiana up in NE Texas.

DanMan on September 19, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Perry might want to be careful about any arguments about gun rights.
From what I’ve seen in the news of Texas cops harrassing and arresting people for perfectly legal open carry, I can’t help but wonder just how “gun friendly” Texas really is….

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Texas is not an open carry state. What am I missing here?

stvnscott on September 19, 2013 at 3:48 PM

As a Maryland business owner I am eager to hear all about this place called “Texas”…

MTF on September 19, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Perry might want to be careful about any arguments about gun rights.
From what I’ve seen in the news of Texas cops harrassing and arresting people for perfectly legal open carry, I can’t help but wonder just how “gun friendly” Texas really is….

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Open carry is not legal in Texas. We had a bill before the legislature to allow concealed carry licensees to open carry, but the RINO speaker of the Texas House would not let it onto the floor for a vote.

Kafir on September 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Perry might want to be careful about any arguments about gun rights.
From what I’ve seen in the news of Texas cops harrassing and arresting people for perfectly legal open carry, I can’t help but wonder just how “gun friendly” Texas really is….

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Compared to the 4th Reich on the Chesapeake TX is a paradise.

Gatsu on September 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

CUTTER: And I think the other issue is that the number of people coming to Texas, those are lot of low-wage workers looking for jobs, and that’s where they’re finding them, in Texas.

Maybe because wages can purchase more in Texas than in Maryland.

Kingfisher on September 19, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Texas is not an open carry state. What am I missing here?
stvnscott on September 19, 2013 at 3:48 PM

I thought it was, but I guess not – which changes my opinions a bit about some points.
For one, that tells me Texas is not officially quite as gun friendly as people make it out to be.

But also, the news articles I’ve seen – especially the one about the Ft Hood soldier in Killeen, had to do with the guy carrying a rifle (AR-15 in fact) on a sling over his shoulder – and he had a handgun in a holster – not concealed.
The rifle over the shoulder should be legal according to this detail I found:

Long guns (rifles / shotguns) do not have to be concealed, but must be carried in a manner not calculated to cause alarm, and do not require a license.

But if Texas is not an open carry state – which it appears is the case, as you indicated, then perhaps the soldier in question was not quite so innocent. And I recently found the actual video of that incident – and the soldier was being somewhat of a dick…..

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Compared to the 4th Reich on the Chesapeake TX is a paradise.
Gatsu on September 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Well ya – that’s a given….

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Maybe because wages can purchase more in Texas than in Maryland.

Kingfisher on September 19, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Major poin that Perry should have made.
I’d be willing to take a lower wage in a different state if it buys more.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Pretty sure open carry of rifles and shotguns is legal in Texas, what gets you in trouble is the law against threatening with one and that is open to interpretation.

A few years ago our local black agitator Quanell X decided to march his posse down the streets of town with (unloaded) rifles in hand. Our black police chief did not intervene when the calls started pouring in and used that as his reason. Of course he didn’t know the rifles were not loaded at the time as claimed by Q-tip.

DanMan on September 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Open carry is not legal in Texas. Yes some departments have been heavy handed concerning rifle carry near a highway but we are not open carry.

pencotron on September 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM

If we are talking about the same incident, the person in question was illegally openly carrying a handgun and legally carrying a rifle. The incident could have been resolved quickly and easily, but he escalated to disorderly conduct and pretty much got what he deserved after that.

Texas IS a concealed carry state. I have had my license since the mid 90s and have never had law enforcement bat an eye. At a traffic stop, for example, an officer may ask if I am carrying, and if I answer in the affirmative, he may ask where it is, but that is all.

stvnscott on September 19, 2013 at 4:07 PM

With a hat tip to redguy for posting this earlier:

High School Graduation Rates
Texas: 87.7 percent


Maryland: 83.6 percent

Source:
Maryland State Department of Education and Texas Education Agency

From whence come your numbers?

Midas on September 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index4.aspx?id=25769806299

Texas high school graduation rate sets another all-time high

AUSTIN – Commissioner of Education Michael Williams announced today that the Texas high school on-time graduation rate has set an all-time high, reaching 87.7 percent for the Class of 2012. The graduation rate for the Class of 2012 is 1.8 percentage points higher than the previous record set by the Class of 2011 and marks the fifth consecutive year the rate has increased.

YEAR GRADUATION RATE
Class of 2012 87.7 percent
Class of 2011 85.9 percent
Class of 2010 84.3 percent
Class of 2009 80.6 percent
Class of 2008 79.1 percent
Class of 2007 78.0 percent

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-02-11/news/bs-md-graduation-rate-20130211_1_dropout-rate-graduation-rate-graduation-numbers

Md. sees improvement in graduation, dropout rates
City continues to show progress in preventing dropouts
February 11, 2013|By Erica L. Green, The Baltimore Sun
Baltimore continues to lead area school systems in improving its dropout rate, and most districts in the region are making progress in graduating more students in four years, according to new high school data released Monday by the Maryland State Department of Education.

Statewide, the Class of 2012 saw steady growth in the percentage of students who earned a high school diploma in four years at 83.6 percent, up from 82.8 percent of students who graduated in 2011. Meanwhile, the number of students who dropped out in 2012 fell to 10.3 percent, down from 11.2 percent, according to the department.

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Major poin that Perry should have made.
I’d be willing to take a lower wage in a different state if it buys more.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Not only that – if your higher wages are eaten up by taxes then you are working more for the government. Texas does not have a state income tax. And Maryland taxes you for the amount of rain you receive from God.……

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

If we are talking about the same incident, the person in question was illegally openly carrying a handgun and legally carrying a rifle. The incident could have been resolved quickly and easily, but he escalated to disorderly conduct and pretty much got what he deserved after that.

Texas IS a concealed carry state. I have had my license since the mid 90s and have never had law enforcement bat an eye. At a traffic stop, for example, an officer may ask if I am carrying, and if I answer in the affirmative, he may ask where it is, but that is all.

stvnscott on September 19, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Ya – I think we’re talking the same incident. And now that I’ve learned, thanks to several of you, that Texas is not open carry, I see that video in a different light. As I indicated a few minutes ago – the guy was being a dick.

However, I have to say that despite what the Dems have been doing in Colorado, we apparently still have a bit more gun freedom than Texas in some respects – we have legal open carry as well as shall issue for concealed carry.
But I can’t legally buy any more 16 or more round magazines…..
And I have to pay for a $10 background check to sell my own son one of my guns…

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 4:18 PM

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Sorry, I wasn’t questioning your stats, I was questioning the fellow who said Perry lied, Texas was only 80%, etc. I was citing your provided figures as refutation of his claim.

Midas on September 19, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Not only that – if your higher wages are eaten up by taxes then you are working more for the government. Texas does not have a state income tax. And Maryland taxes you for the amount of rain you receive from God.……

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Yes, but I’ve heard property taxes are high in Texas.
I’m sure it’s still overall much much better than Maryland, but I’m not so sure how the overall equation works out compared to Colorado.

In Colorado, we have a state income tax (4.3%), sales taxes (variable by county and city, but avarage around 7.3%), and fairly low property taxes. From what I’ve seen of various numbers games on that front, Texas has a clear advantage for high income people (depending on teh house you buy), but it’s a toss up for most middle class types – as compared to Colorado (not Maryland).

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Midas on September 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

redguy on September 19, 2013 at 4:07 PM

The question I would have – for both states – though, is HOW are they increasing graduation rates?
On the surface it looks good to have a higher grad rate, but if you’re getting there by just passing kids through the system regardless of whether they’re learning anything, then grad rate is a BS figure.
Kind of goes in with grade inflation – as indicated by that Florida genius Rachel (I’m a 3 oh, I’m new skoo) Jenteal.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Yes, but I’ve heard property taxes are high in Texas.

High earners in Texas with a second house in Colorado do well. Middle incomers in Texas and Colorado are about a wash.

If you own two houses in Texas you are getting socked bad. We do have high property taxes.

A whole lot of Texans own second homes in Colorado.

DanMan on September 19, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Cutter is a snot.

stenwin77 on September 19, 2013 at 4:52 PM

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Rest assured, most of the Democrats in Texas are pro-gun rights. But, as with anything else there are exceptions to the rule. Having lived in Texas for the majority of my life and being able to travel. It can be stated with certainty that a Conservative Democrat in Texas is more conservative than a NE Republican. And our true Conservatives, ie..Perry and Cruz, well nough said.

DDay on September 19, 2013 at 4:55 PM

My son graduated from Penn State with an electrical engineering degree and had a local job in State College making pretty good money but wanted to go to Austin for the music scene (has 14 guitars).
I thought he was nuts. No job prospects just gonna go with his new wife. I guess if you have to go then now is the time cause when you are older it would be scary. Within 6 months he had a good job making more money, bought a new car and is halfway to a down payment on a house plus he plays the gitfiddle on weekends. Texas aint lookin so bad to me now. They actually have a car dealer called Howdy Honda.

faol on September 19, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Was in a great mood on this sunny Thur in Montgomery Texas.

Made the mistake of watching about 10 minutes of the VID.

Cutter and O’Mally should both be horsewhipped for those lies
and there acting was as sickening.

Won’t ever watch a Crossfire episode again.

Texyank on September 19, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Texas is tied for dead last in the country in high school graduation rates with just 81.1 percent of its population having a high school degree. Meanwhile, this state is 21st, at 88.9 percent, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
Terp Mole on September 19, 2013 at 4:38 PM

I would even question this report you quoted.
They don’t say “graduation rate”, they say it but then say “81.1 percent of its population having a high school degree “. That’s 2 entirely different figures – “high school graduation rate” vs “population having a high school degree”.
Those members of the population without a high school degree may very well have moved to Texas after dropping out of school, perhaps from Mexico – which means they are not relevant to any discussion of the state’s graduation rate.

Dems just gotta lie – about everything.

dentarthurdent on September 19, 2013 at 4:59 PM

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