Coming soon to the Senate: A Rand-Paul-style talking filibuster by Ted Cruz and Mike Lee?

posted at 4:01 pm on September 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

No one’s making any promises but this is inevitable, right?

Of course Reid, with 54 Democrats in the Senate, does indeed have the votes to defeat the defunding measure. That’s been known all along. So what do House Republicans want Cruz to do? For starters, they’d like to see Cruz, along with Paul, Rubio, and Lee, launch another stand-on-the-Senate-floor filibuster. The hope is that it might inspire Republicans the same way the March filibuster did, and perhaps start a wave of public opinion in support of defunding. Not reading anyone’s mind, but my guess is most House GOP lawmakers who will vote for defunding don’t really believe that will happen. But they want to see Cruz and his Senate colleagues make a big gesture, even in defeat, to back up their words.

Early Thursday afternoon, Cruz appeared at a news conference with some House and Senate Republicans and was asked if he would be willing to launch a filibuster to defund Obamacare. “I will do everything necessary and anything possible,” Cruz said. Asked specifically if that included a filibuster, Cruz said yes.

They’re not remotely close to having the 41 votes they’d need for a familiar kill-it-on-cloture filibuster, says Byron York, so that must mean Cruz is thinking of a Rand Paul “talk ’til you almost pee yourself” floor performance. Which makes all the sense in the world: Cruz is probably the best orator in the Senate and he’s maintained since the start of this process that the only shot the defunders have is to galvanize public opinion against ObamaCare. A talking filibuster is the perfect forum for him to do it. Even if he can’t move general public opinion any further against the law, he can electrify grassroots righties to the point where conservatives in the House who might be wavering about a shutdown decide to stand firm on defunding, at least for awhile.

Are we sure Cruz and Lee can’t get to 41 votes, though, at least at first? That goes back to my post yesterday. There are many Senate Republicans who think a shutdown is nuts, but we’re not at the shutdown stage yet. We’re at the “stand with Ted and Mike against ObamaCare” stage. Someone like Tom Coburn could vote with them to filibuster a clean CR introduced by Reid that funds O-Care and then wait to see if Boehner and the House will bail him out by dropping their defund demand and passing a clean CR of their own. The tough spot for Coburnites will come if House conservatives stand firm and then Reid re-introduces a clean CR in the Senate right before the shutdown is set to take effect. Voting with Reid in that case won’t avert the shutdown — the House will still need to pass something — but it might at least weaken the Democrats’ talking point that the GOP wants a shutdown. “Not us,” the Coburnites would say. Grassroots righties would hate them for that since it would only increase the pressure on the House to cave, but any Senate Republican willing to dismiss a shutdown as nutty probably isn’t worried about grassroots opinion anyway. Or, rather, is worried less about it than about wider public perceptions of the party.

Via the Corner, here’s Boehner handing off to Cruz and company. Around the same time he was saying this, Harry Reid was vowing that any defunding measure is “dead, dead” in the Senate. Exit quotation via Ramesh Ponnuru:


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… (a) talking filibuster by Ted Cruz and Mike Lee …

MUST-SEE TV! Please, please, please let this happen!

Pork-Chop on September 19, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Don’t worry; Mini-Cave McConnell will shut it down before it gets to whoever is second on the speaking list.

Steve Eggleston on September 19, 2013 at 4:07 PM

He’s taking a book from his hate-idol Jesse Helms. Rafael sure is squishy.

anchorchick on September 19, 2013 at 4:09 PM

…a book from a Library filled with hate.

anchorchick on September 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

gutless republicans looking for someone to bail them out (like Coburn)……..wow never seen that before!

Said no one evvvvvvvver.

PappyD61 on September 19, 2013 at 4:12 PM

And message to Laura Ingraham…….stop sucking from the “Republican” binkie.

Who cares if more “republicans” get elected if they are RINOs??

Do it NOW!!!

Stand up you gutless republicans.

PappyD61 on September 19, 2013 at 4:14 PM

No one’s making any promises but this is inevitable, right?

Suffice it to say that if it doesn’t happen, Cruz and Lee have essentially been blowing smoke up conservatives’ collective ass for the better part of a year. Cruz’s statement in particular was about as tin-eared as they come; party unity is a two-way street.

If there’s a shutdown over this, I expect to see Ted Cruz booked on every radio, television and newspaper interview that will have him. If he’s infected with the same Obama conceit that he can convince a legislature to bend to his will just by talking long enough (and don’t sugarcoat it, that’s exactly what he’s been saying), he’d better put up or shut up.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Anyone got a list of wobbly senators I should be targeting my faxes and emails to this afternoon?

Harbingeing on September 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Defunders today are urging unity on the folks they’ve spent months calling the surrender caucus.

Which is different how from said surrender caucus demanding fealty from conservatives after yet another legislative cycle shatting all over us?

Paybacks, female dogs; some biting required.

Steve Eggleston on September 19, 2013 at 4:17 PM

He’s taking a book from his hate-idol Jesse Helms. Rafael sure is squishy.

anchorchick on September 19, 2013 at 4:09 PM

…a book from a Library filled with hate.

anchorchick on September 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

You’re the librarian.

portlandon on September 19, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Good for Cruz. Now is the time to bring Obamacare to an end. For the RINO pundits who are claiming that you can’t govern from one chamber of one branch of government, I say that’s a bunch of codswallop. All that defunding requires is that we not grant approval. Vote for a CR that funds everything but Obamacare, and then stress, time and again, that Obama has been given a CR to keep the government open, but the only reason he won’t keep the government open is because he wants to retain a law that the American people are adamantly against.

Stoic Patriot on September 19, 2013 at 4:18 PM

anchorchick on September 19, 2013 at 4:09 PM

anchorchick on September 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Your what hurts?????

antipc on September 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I wouldn’t say I’d filibuster, I’d say I just want to read a list the problems caused to date by Obamacare, and everyone would think it’s a filibuster.

Dusty on September 19, 2013 at 4:20 PM

I wouldn’t say I’d filibuster, I’d say I just want to read a list the problems caused to date by Obamacare, and everyone would think it’s a filibuster.

Dusty on September 19, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Cruz could hold the floor for months just reading the cards and letters from folks who are being screwed over by this Democrat law. Start mailing them in.

de rigueur on September 19, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Which is different how from said surrender caucus demanding fealty from conservatives after yet another legislative cycle shatting all over us?

Steve Eggleston on September 19, 2013 at 4:17 PM

And just where have they “demanded fealty from conservatives?” Apart from the vote for Speaker, which I pointedly note generated a lot of grumbling and precisely zero challengers to Boehner’s leadership, the House caucus in the GOP regularly splits on votes all across the board. If there’s a giant whipping-and-silencing operation going on, I missed it.

Meanwhile, in the Senate, Harry Reid continues to lord over the place because he has sole power to set the agenda. And now, for two consecutive cycles, seats have been lost because certain people can’t tell a conservative candidate from a competent conservative candidate. But please, continue to p*ss and moan about how the GOP establishment does nothing and surrenders all the time.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Wow, I have no idea why Harry won’t bring this to a floor vote if Ocraponmecare is so awesome—why wouldn’t anyone do that?*Scratches head*….

Gutless Libs—you created it, you defend it!

hillsoftx on September 19, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Ramesh Ponnuru ✔ @RameshPonnuru

Defunders today are urging unity on the folks they’ve spent months calling the surrender caucus.
7:16 AM – 19 Sep 2013
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Yeah, odd that the fighting caucus would try to get the surrender caucus to show some spine.

And let’s not pretend that the name calling hasn’t gone both directions.

gwelf on September 19, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Cruz needs our help folks, they have 1.5 million signatures to defund O’care, he wants everyone who signed it to get 3 to 5 more folks to sign it, he wants 3 to 5 million signatures or more!!

Since GOP leadership is supporting this bill, he believes they will be successful.

Most important fact: THIS BILL FULLY FUNDS THE GOVT!!

IT DOES NOT FUND O’BAMACARE!!

DON’T LET THE MEDIA OR THE LEFT HOODWINK ANYONE!!

WE CAN DO THIS!!

Go sign the defund this petition, call ALL your reps and senators to back this to the hilt!!

LET’S ROCK AND ROLL PEOPLE!

We have hope…

Scrumpy on September 19, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Of course they could always just pull out Obamacare and read that out loud… then for those who voted for it you could ask, now and again, ‘did you even read this bill before you voted for it?’

ajacksonian on September 19, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Obama has enacted waivers for his cronies and the govt…the unions WILL be next to be granted waivers…

Out of 82 rules within O’care he has halted 41 of them, if this damn thing is so fricking good why has he done all of this eh?

STICK TO THE DEMS AND MAKE THEM EAT COW-PIE!!

I dare Reid now, and I triple dare Obama to blame the repubs that they are shutting down the govt.

DAMMIT GOP GET THE FRICKING MESSAGE OUT THERE!!

YOUR BILL FULLY FUNDS THE GOVT, AND ONLY DEFUNDS O’CARE!!

(slinking off to my cave)

Scrumpy on September 19, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Defunders today are urging unity on the folks they’ve spent months calling the surrender caucus.

Well, does the surrender caucus want to prove they’re not the surrender caucus or are they going to do everything they can to undercut Cruz and protect Obamacare? It would be nice if they do the former, but they’ll undoubtedly do the latter.

Suffice it to say that if it doesn’t happen, Cruz and Lee have essentially been blowing smoke up conservatives’ collective ass for the better part of a year…

…If he’s infected with the same Obama conceit that he can convince a legislature to bend to his will just by talking long enough (and don’t sugarcoat it, that’s exactly what he’s been saying), he’d better put up or shut up.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM

I don’t agree with you a lot, but I absolutely agree with this. The base is demanding a big fight with the Democrats and Cruz has been promising one. He had better be prepared to go balls to the wall for this. I don’t know if he’ll succeed, but I won’t accept anything less than a 100% effort from him.

Doomberg on September 19, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Of course they could always just pull out Obamacare and read that out loud… then for those who voted for it you could ask, now and again, ‘did you even read this bill before you voted for it?’

ajacksonian on September 19, 2013 at 4:34 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This, 1,000 times this!

D-fusit on September 19, 2013 at 4:43 PM

And just where have they “demanded fealty from conservatives?” Apart from the vote for Speaker, which I pointedly note generated a lot of grumbling and precisely zero challengers to Boehner’s leadership, the House caucus in the GOP regularly splits on votes all across the board. If there’s a giant whipping-and-silencing operation going on, I missed it.

Meanwhile, in the Senate, Harry Reid continues to lord over the place because he has sole power to set the agenda. And now, for two consecutive cycles, seats have been lost because certain people can’t tell a conservative candidate from a competent conservative candidate. But please, continue to p*ss and moan about how the GOP establishment does nothing and surrenders all the time.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Every election they put up a Tommy Thompson or a Linda McMahon or a Russ Darrow, with no reciprocity when the Establishment candidate doesn’t get out of the primary.

Steve Eggleston on September 19, 2013 at 4:45 PM

@$$holes
davidk on September 19, 2013 at 4:41 PM

^^^^^^!! Ditto…

* Swoosh *

Scrumpy on September 19, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Allah! Best analysis on the site as always. Thank you for pointing out that there is an important objection to Obamacare PRIOR to the proposition that the govt. will be shut down. Ed and the GOP establishment seems to miss this point.

For political benefit, the GOP needs to draw a stark and obvious line showing that the Dems are all for Obamacare and attach themselves to its result. The GOP should triple their efforts to ensure that line is not clouded.

After the objections to Obamacare are made, then the there can be a decision on whether or not to shut down the govt. The GOP has played really bad poker here, but perhaps they’ll get it right in the end.

FreeManOtis on September 19, 2013 at 4:46 PM

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 4:27 PM

And you missed the purge of the libertarians from House committees to start the year.

Steve Eggleston on September 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM

I wouldn’t say I’d filibuster, I’d say I just want to read a list the problems caused to date by Obamacare, and everyone would think it’s a filibuster.

Dusty on September 19, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Amen to that. If all we gonna get is theater, at least educate the public

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 19, 2013 at 4:49 PM

GO CRUZ!!

TX-96 on September 19, 2013 at 4:49 PM

The filibuster should just be reading Obamacare.

besser tot als rot on September 19, 2013 at 4:54 PM

But please, continue to p*ss and moan about how the GOP establishment does nothing and surrenders all the time.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Please tell me what the House GOP has done of importance over the last 3 years.

besser tot als rot on September 19, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Cruz and Lee have essentially been blowing smoke up conservatives’ collective ass for the better part of a year.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Just like Boehner, Cantor, and the rest of the House GOP for the last 3 years, eh?

besser tot als rot on September 19, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Your what hurts?????

antipc on September 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I just love those Hawkisms.

stukinIL4now on September 19, 2013 at 4:58 PM

If he’s infected with the same Obama conceit that he can convince a legislature to bend to his will just by talking long enough (and don’t sugarcoat it, that’s exactly what he’s been saying), he’d better put up or shut up.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM

That’s actually not what he’s saying at all. He’s saying that if the House doesn’t fund Obamacare, Obamacare won’t be funded. Because, you know, it won’t.

besser tot als rot on September 19, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Of course they could always just pull out Obamacare and read that out loud… then for those who voted for it you could ask, now and again, ‘did you even read this bill before you voted for it?’

ajacksonian on September 19, 2013 at 4:34 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This, 1,000 times this!

D-fusit on September 19, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I’m tossin’ in my 1,000 times this too.

stukinIL4now on September 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM

OT

DID YOU SEE THIS!!!

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/09/19/spitting-on-their-graves-democrats-leave-benghazi-hearing-before-testimony-from-benghazi-families-n1704732

fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffkrs

MontanaMmmm on September 19, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Defunders today are urging unity on the folks they’ve spent months calling the surrender caucus.

Unfortunately, it’s an accurate description. As I said before, plan beats no plan, even when the plan isn’t that inspiring. House GOP has had control for nearly 3 years and has not come up with a plan yet. Other than, I suppose, the genius plan to nominate for President the grandfather of Obamacare because he was sure to repeal it.

besser tot als rot on September 19, 2013 at 5:03 PM

sorry davidk,
I see you beat me to it…spitting….mad

MontanaMmmm on September 19, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Cruz will not filibuster. Bank on it

He’s blowing smoke…took me a while to figure him out, but he says outrageous red meat things to get attention and for people to hit ‘the donate button’ on his webpage.

And he’ll never run for higher office. Cruz is smart…he knows where the $ is and it’s not running for another office. Cruz is branding himself to be a future talking pundit/author. People will buy his books and listen to him. Masterful plan

Redford on September 19, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Cruz will not filibuster. Bank on it

He’s blowing smoke…took me a while to figure him out, but he says outrageous red meat things to get attention and for people to hit ‘the donate button’ on his webpage.

And he’ll never run for higher office. Cruz is smart…he knows where the $ is and it’s not running for another office. Cruz is branding himself to be a future talking pundit/author. People will buy his books and listen to him. Masterful plan

Redford on September 19, 2013 at 5:15 PM

And you missed the purge of the libertarians from House committees to start the year.

Steve Eggleston on September 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM

That was bullcrap that was deliberately blown out of proportion by the same agents provocateur that are screaming the loudest right now. You might be thinking about Jim Jordan using the Republican Study Committee’s own damn dues money to run ads against them in the debt ceiling fight, and then fabricating a story about John Boehner redistricting him out of the House. And then when that turned out not to be true, they tried it again with Allen West.

There are precisely two groups right now who are profiting from exploiting internecine GOP conflicts. One is the Democratic-media complex, and one is the True Conservatives. And it’s not the first time their interests have aligned.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

“Gentlemen, you can’t show leadership in here, this is the United States Senate!”

slickwillie2001 on September 19, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Enforce the law and make people hate it.

Othniel on September 19, 2013 at 5:24 PM

There are precisely two groups right now who are profiting from exploiting internecine GOP conflicts. One is the Democratic-media complex, and one is the True Conservatives. And it’s not the first time their interests have aligned.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

The GOPe is populated with liberals intent on destroying the party itself by moderating itself out of existence in an attempt to curry favor with the Democrat-media complex. They can only blame themselves.

Actual conservatives (of which you deride as “True Conservatives”) are only trying to defend themselves, and quite frankly, many of them are fed up with playing the role of a battered wife. Your objections fall on deaf ears by this point.

Myron Falwell on September 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Redford on September 19, 2013 at 5:15 PM

You’re so full of sh*t it’s comical.

You keep flailing with these ad hominem memes without a shred of evidence. Cruz hasn’t even been in office long enough to adduce anything like this. It’s just more fear-based preemptive character attack because, you know, fear.

rrpjr on September 19, 2013 at 5:29 PM

There are precisely two groups right now who are profiting from exploiting internecine GOP conflicts. One is the Democratic-media complex, and one is the True Conservatives. And it’s not the first time their interests have aligned.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Poor baby. The Go-Along-To-Get-Along (with Democrats) Republicans who refuse to do anything aren’t profiting? Are they scared that they’re carefully crafted lie that they are a limited government party is being found out to be a fraud? Cry me a river.

besser tot als rot on September 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Actual conservatives (of which you deride as “True Conservatives”) are only trying to defend themselves, and quite frankly, many of them are fed up with playing the role of a battered wife. Your objections fall on deaf ears by this point.

Myron Falwell on September 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM

No, dude. KingGold is the only TruCon. Just ask him. I love how he disparages people who consider themselves true conservatives, when he’s front and foremost among those who considers himself a TruCon. The irony is friggin’ hilarious, and better yet, he doesn’t even see it!!

besser tot als rot on September 19, 2013 at 5:37 PM

they’re / their – whatevs.

besser tot als rot on September 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

I just love those Hawkisms.

stukinIL4now on September 19, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Being a California boy I had to Google that.

Thanks for the lesson.

antipc on September 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM

I still don’t understand the fuss. Obama’s done more defunding of Obamacare than Cruz wants to do.

Dusty on September 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM

He’s taking a book from his hate-idol Jesse Helms. Rafael sure is squishy.

cankerchick on September 19, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Just never mind Grand Wizard and Most Exalted Kleagle of the KKK Robert Byrd moldering over there in the corner.

slickwillie2001 on September 19, 2013 at 5:45 PM

I still don’t understand the fuss. Obama’s done more defunding of Obamacare than Cruz wants to do.

Dusty on September 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Obama has certainly done more to slow the implementation of Obamacare than the House GOP would have ever dreamed of doing.

besser tot als rot on September 19, 2013 at 5:48 PM

besser tot als rot on September 19, 2013 at 5:37 PM

I’ve never been coy or tried to hide my opinions about the big problems I have with today’s righty grassroots.

I’m not a True Conservative. I don’t engage in a constant measuring contest by trying to outflank people who have the stones and the ability to serve in public office. When I support somebody like Marco Rubio as a strong conservative politician, I don’t immediately backstab him when he takes the wrong position on a single (and, as we’ve seen, now irrelevant) issue. When I support somebody like Allen West, I don’t call for his ouster when he tries to gain more power for conservatives by climbing the leadership ladder.

I don’t chase presidential pipe dreams for former office-holders who poll in the mid-thirties and haven’t spoken seriously about a national run since 2009.

I’m plenty happy to be a Reagan-style conservative, and I’m also smart enough to gauge when a politician is going to ultimately help the movement or ultimately hurt it by making a fool of us.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 5:50 PM

The filibuster should just be reading Obamacare.

besser tot als rot on September 19, 2013 at 4:54 PM

I would have them read all of the thousands of pages of regulations coming down from the High Priestess of Healthcare instead. Most people are clueless.

jffree1 on September 19, 2013 at 5:51 PM

I don’t immediately backstab him [Rubio] when he takes the wrong position on a single (and, as we’ve seen, now irrelevant) issue. KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 5:50 PM

No one backstabbed him. We came at him frontally and directly for being a lying weasel. That’s why support for him cratered. Because he’s a lying weasel.

And if the issue is “irrelevant” it’s not for Rubio’s lack of effort.

rrpjr on September 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM

I’m plenty happy to be a Reagan-style conservative, and I’m also smart enough to gauge when a politician is going to ultimately help the movement or ultimately hurt it by making a fool of us.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 5:50 PM

You’re always on the side of statism or the more statist policy, regardless of the public opinion or political benefit. You always think that the more statist policy is the right one politically for the GOP. And, if statism is always the answer for the GOP, then I want no part of the GOP. And, that is not to say that compromise is always bad, or even usually bad. Or that the more conservative candidate is always, or even usually, the better candidate. But, the goal should be to push for limited government, and that is most definitely not what you push for. You want to GOP to be ever so marginally to the right of the statist Democrats so that they can supposedly win more elections – I don’t see the point (and I don’t agree that that is good politics).

besser tot als rot on September 19, 2013 at 5:59 PM

But please, continue to p*ss and moan about how the GOP establishment does nothing and surrenders all the time.

KingGold

Says a pisser and moaner, lol. Somebody is afraid the RINO’s days are numbered.

xblade on September 19, 2013 at 6:01 PM

anchorchick on September 19, 2013 at 4:09 PM

anchorchick on September 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Your what hurts?????

antipc on September 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Is CapHog (a.k.a. The Race Card, a.k.a. The-troll-who-got-beaten-to-death-with-the-Banhammer-again) back already??

CurtZHP on September 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM

you know what’s surprising in all this defunding talk. not once does the media mention that there are 55 dems many up for re-election who will have to vote FOR one of the most unpopular laws EVER to come out of congress. does the GOPe not think putting these people on the spot and MAKING the dems once again support Obamacare is not a good idea? have they forgot what happened to the dems that supported obamacare in 2010?

Idiots they want everyone to be on the same side so those that support obamacare in the GOPe don’t get lumped with everyone else.

unseen on September 19, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Do it Senator. Make that fight.

dogsoldier on September 19, 2013 at 6:56 PM

you know what’s surprising in all this defunding talk. not once does the media mention that there are 55 dems many up for re-election who will have to vote FOR one of the most unpopular laws EVER to come out of congress. does the GOPe not think putting these people on the spot and MAKING the dems once again support Obamacare is not a good idea? have they forgot what happened to the dems that supported obamacare in 2010?

Idiots they want everyone to be on the same side so those that support obamacare in the GOPe don’t get lumped with everyone else.

unseen on September 19, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Valid point…what happened in 2012? Obama won by a landslide….

Dems win next year if the GOP continues down this path…Obamacare is law…the train left in November.

Redford on September 19, 2013 at 7:25 PM

But please, continue to p*ss and moan about how the GOP establishment does nothing and surrenders all the time.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 4:27 PM

The problem with your statement is that the GOP wing of the Liberal Establishment does not want to repeal the ACA. Like the rest of teh historic Liberal agenda, they want to set it in concrete and go onto other things designed to control and destroy the country. They know what they are doing is destructive, and they don’t care because they have other goals in mind just as the Dimocrat wing of the Liberal Establishment does.

Quartermaster on September 19, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Obamacare is law…

Redford on September 19, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Except when Obama says it isn’t. Waivers, novel statutory interpretations and inventions, delayed implementation, and just plain making it up as he goes along. Obama’s law is an ass.

And the Dems lose if Obama’s law continues down this path.

de rigueur on September 19, 2013 at 7:48 PM

But please, continue to p*ss and moan about how the GOP establishment does nothing and surrenders all the time.

KingGold on September 19, 2013 at 4:27 PM

The problem with your statement is that the GOP wing of the Liberal Establishment does not want to repeal the ACA. Like the rest of teh historic Liberal agenda, they want to set it in concrete and go onto other things designed to control and destroy the country. They know what they are doing is destructive, and they don’t care because they have other goals in mind just as the Dimocrat wing of the Liberal Establishment does.

Quartermaster on September 19, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Not ONE Republican in either house VOTED for Obamacare.

Dems ruled all 3….elections have consequences ….

Redford on September 19, 2013 at 7:49 PM

I think getting Dingy Harry to take up the bill in the Senate will be a challenge (a challenge worth fighting for).

The truth is that Cruz (and Rand) have shown more leadership in their very short careers than those experienced and seasoned politicians.

They may not win this battle, but they’d be guaranteed to lose if they were acting like those of the surrender caucus.

What’s worse? Shutting down the government or shutting down the American economy?

ritewhit on September 19, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Not ONE Republican in either house VOTED for Obamacare.
Redford on September 19, 2013 at 7:49 PM

All the more reason why it’s an illegitimate law.

Like the Stamp Act.

rrpjr on September 19, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Not ONE Republican in either house VOTED for Obamacare.
Redford on September 19, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Wrong. Only one GOPer voted for it.

Myron Falwell on September 20, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Make sure Cruz has pink shoes and a catheter. If they can do it so can we. Go Ted!

neyney on September 20, 2013 at 11:13 AM

The GOP has repeatedly declared they can’t get attention from the media. Funny how Cruz, Paul and Lee manage to do it. The more the gop protests dem policices the more people will learn. The gun debate has turned in our favor. People aren’t blaming guns for gun violence now they are blaming the mental health system and criminals. That is because conservatives brought it to the dems and people heard it over and over and over and we won and we will have to continue to fight it but it will get easier. So the gop can remain lazy and gutless or they can start to work at getting a conservative message out and have a whole lot of fun in the process. If we keep hitting Obamacare, we may not get all of what we want at first, but we can chip away till we do. That is what the dems do and we spend all out time giving them a little more each time. Why don’t we keep the dems busy with having to shoot down our demands? While we may not win every time, we can win now and then,… and debate them and expose them for what they are every time.

Charm on September 20, 2013 at 10:12 PM