UN Syria shenanigans already breaking down as Russians dispute that Assad was to blame for Damascus gas attack

posted at 7:21 pm on September 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

Curious that they’d agree that he should disarm in the wake of the Damascus attack if they sincerely believe he’s innocent of it, no? Just like it’s curious that they’d agree the UN is the proper forum for resolving Assad’s disarmament if they sincerely believe its findings on his WMD are “politicized” and “one sided.”

Nah, just kidding. This is, of course, theater for western dummies:

Russia denounced U.N. investigators’ findings on a poison gas attack in Syria as preconceived and tainted by politics on Wednesday, stepping up its criticism of a report Western nations said proved President Bashar al-Assad’s forces were responsible…

“We are disappointed, to put it mildly, about the approach taken by the U.N. secretariat and the U.N. inspectors, who prepared the report selectively and incompletely,” deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told the state-run Russian news agency RIA in Damascus.

“Without receiving a full picture of what is happening here, it is impossible to call the nature of the conclusions reached by the U.N. experts … anything but politicised, preconceived and one-sided,” Ryabkov said after talks with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem.

They know Assad won’t disarm, which in turn means sooner or later the U.S. might ask the Security Council for a Chapter VII authorization to use force. Here’s their way of impugning the credibility of the process in anticipation of inevitably vetoing that authorization later.

It is true that the new UN report on the Damascus attack doesn’t explicitly blame one side or the other, but the NYT has a nifty analysis today explaning that, if you read the technical details in the report closely, it’s obvious where the missiles containing the gas were launched. And that in turn makes it obvious which side is responsible:

The inspectors, instructed to investigate the attack but not to assign blame, nonetheless listed the precise compass directions of flight for two rocket strikes that appeared to lead back toward the government’s elite redoubt in Damascus, Mount Qasioun, which overlooks and protects neighborhoods and Mr. Assad’s presidential palace and where his Republican Guard and the army’s powerful Fourth Division are entrenched.

“It is the center of gravity of the regime,” said Elias Hanna, a retired general in the Lebanese Army and a lecturer on strategy and geopolitics at the American University of Beirut. “It is the core of the regime.”…

The map that Mr. Lyons and Human Rights Watch prepared, and a similar map made by The Times with no consultation or exchange of information, suggested that gas-filled rockets, which sailed over central Damascus and landed in civilian neighborhoods, originated “from the direction of the Republican Guard 104th Brigade,” which occupies a large base on the mountain’s western side…

“When you fire it from such a place, it means that you don’t care if fingers will be pointed to you in some period of time,” General Hanna said.

That last bit is the only surprising thing about the attack. Assad has, as he must, maintained his innocence in the Damascus gassing publicly, just because it might be a bit too brazen a violation of Obama’s “red line” for him to start crowing, “Yup, I did it.” But launching the missiles from an impregnable regime power base instead of some more plausibly deniable locale is all but an admission to experts who know how to trace missile trajectories. If he’s worried enough about a U.S. attack to play along with Russia’s disarmament charade, why didn’t he do a bit more to make it look like it might have been the rebels who were behind the gassing? If Obama hadn’t chickened out about the domestic politics of hitting Syria without congressional approval, Assad might very well be dead now thanks to an American smart bomb. His posture on all this is a weird mix of steadfastly denying blame but barely denying it.

Speaking of domestic politics, the Russian “reset” has finally reached its predictable conclusion with the American public — but not for the reason you might think:

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After 15 years of pretend friendship, people are ready to join Mitt Romney and stop pretending. It’s not because of the Syria standoff, though. I figured the last straw for Americans was watching Putin spend the last few weeks de-pantsing President Bumbefark on the world stage, but no: Per Gallup, 72 percent endorse the phony Russian plan to disarm Assad (i.e. to keep the U.S. out of another messy war) and 50 percent say Putin’s participation was mostly helpful versus just 36 percent who disagree. The rising antagonism is due to public irritation with Russia for sheltering Edward Snowden (of those who’ve heard about it, the split is 25/64 in disapproving) and for its new anti-gay policies (13/69 disapproval among those who are familiar with the subject). We’ve reached the point of war weariness, I guess, where watching Russia protect a degenerate who’s firing off gas-tipped missiles at civilians is less of an annoyance than them granting a visa to an American whose defenders treat him as a civil libertarian hero. Interesting times.


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Interesting times.

OmahaConservative on September 18, 2013 at 7:25 PM

There is a lot more pointing at the “rebels” than at Assad.

VorDaj on September 18, 2013 at 7:27 PM

As I posted on another thread, I’m pissed off this evening that the FNC interview with Assad has far more hard-hitting questions than anything reporters would ask our own elected officals.

I would love to see the lazy stupid thin-skinned rat to sit down to the type of interview Greg Palkot and Dennis Kucinich (yes, that Dennis Kucinich). Obama would be crying before the ten minute point- which seriously hurts style points.

Happy Nomad on September 18, 2013 at 7:31 PM

It still fits into Valeria Jared’s whipsaw agenda leading up to the democrats trash, cash and bash fest of the 2014 mid terms.

locomotivebreath1901 on September 18, 2013 at 7:32 PM

The Russian comrades are the masters of ropey doping and drag it out….much better than their American Comrades.
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ObaMao will be out commied.
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Can their genuine shadenfreude here?

FlaMurph on September 18, 2013 at 7:32 PM

There is a lot more pointing at the “rebels” than at Assad.

VorDaj on September 18, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Even the Gitmo alumni?

Happy Nomad on September 18, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Gee, who saw this coming, other than everyone?

Cindy Munford on September 18, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Just who the hell side is Obama on?
This is treason!

Putin and Assad will ramp it up now. Obama’s Brothers won’t stand a chance.

Obama Waives Ban on Arming Terrorists to Aid Syrian Rebels

http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/09/17/obama-waives-ban-on-arming-terrorists-to-aid-syrian-rebels/

redguy on September 18, 2013 at 7:34 PM


Russian Patriarch to Obama: Syria’s Christians Nearing ‘Extermination’
The leader of Russia’s 150 million Orthodox Christians begs the president not to give aid to Syrian jihadis.

Again, all absolutely true — especially “the threat of total extermination or banishment,” which has been the case wherever and whenever U.S.-backed Islamists come to power:

Afghanistan: Under U.S. auspices, the supposedly “moderate” Karzai government still upholds the apostasy law — persecuting those who seek to convert to Christianity, making them just as intolerant as the Taliban — and, under U.S. auspices, destroyed the nation’s last Christian church.

Iraq: After the U.S. “liberated” the nation from Saddam Hussein, the “chemical-weapon-using-tyrant” — sound familiar? — Christians are still being terrorized into extinction, more than half leaving their homeland.

Libya: Since U.S-backed terrorists came to power — giving American the Benghazi consulate attack on the anniversary of 9/11 — the tiny Christian community there has been persecuted, including bombed churches and threatened nuns—things unprecedented under the “tyrant” Gaddafi.

Egypt: After coming to power, the Obama administration’s Muslim Brotherhood allies enforced draconian blasphemy codes against Christians and are currently destroying countless churches and in some regions forcing Christians to pay jizya.

Syria: Atrocities against Christians by the U.S.-backed jihadis know no bounds — such as the recent gang rape and slaughter of a 15-year-old Christian girl by the U.S.-supported “freedom fighters.” And now in Ma‘loula, Christians are being forced to choose between converting to Islam or dying and other atrocities.

VorDaj on September 18, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Obama has done more international damage to the US Presidency and the United States in 3 months than Clinton did in 8 years.

His incompetence is shocking. His apologists are scandalous.

We’re only 10 months into his second term, can you imagine how much more damage he can do January 2017?

portlandon on September 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

I hope Assad kills all of Obama’s and Kerry’s and McCain’s allies in Syria, every last one of them.

VorDaj on September 18, 2013 at 7:38 PM

So – are the Muslim brotherhood more fearful of Russian troops and weapons?

Or are Assads troops more fearful of Al Quada armed by the U.S.?

Someone in Congress needs to shut down the flow of arms to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Recall all CIA and Military from the Middle East.

Mr. Obama – this war is lost before it began.

redguy on September 18, 2013 at 7:38 PM

What we are about to live through is an alternate time line reality where Jimmy Carter got reelected in 1980. World turmoil, middle east on fire etc.

portlandon on September 18, 2013 at 7:39 PM

This is my shocked face….

sandee on September 18, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Obama has done more international damage to the US Presidency and the United States in 3 months than Clinton did in 8 years.

His incompetence is shocking. His apologists are scandalous.

We’re only 10 months into his second term, can you imagine how much more damage he can do January 2017?

portlandon on September 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

And it is spreading. Brazil’s cancelled state visit is not going to be the last of protest acts against the NSA snooping scandal. The thin-skinned rat is weakened over the Middle East debacles of his making. The other nations will be emboldened to act like Brazil did. And as little national interest as there is in Syria, relations with Brazil and our neighbors to the South matter.

Happy Nomad on September 18, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Watchoo gonna do now, Steel Spine, get yourself an AR15 shotgun and lay down the lay to Putin?

Bishop on September 18, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Or lay down the law? Scotch…too much before dinner and things will get strange.

Bishop on September 18, 2013 at 7:42 PM

But….but…..but…..Johnny and Barry say the Russians are with us on this and only want what’s best for everyone.

That everyone forget Barry ever said anything about a ‘red line’.

GarandFan on September 18, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Vladimir Putin’s Christian Faith – in his own words

Putin certainly seems to have become a protector of Christianity, something that can not now truthfully be said of the United States. I don’t think there is a more anti-Christian country on the planet than America now is.

VorDaj on September 18, 2013 at 7:48 PM

America better keep ramping up oil & gas production!

Damn Obama and his environazis!!!

I have a feeling that Iran and Russia are teaming up to squeeze the US…..

redguy on September 18, 2013 at 7:48 PM

The Lyin kINg had to go overseas to some real Dictators to be out -lied. I never thought I would see the day anyone lied better than the world class Lyin kINg.
Well played Putin, Assad, obviously the Lyin kINg has become too used to having his way with the easily duped here in country in large part because of his fawning Presstitutes!
Two world class Liars spank the MalcontentPOTUS!

ConcealedKerry on September 18, 2013 at 7:53 PM

I’m sure Obama is working the back channels.

Er, back nine.

fogw on September 18, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Two world class Liars spank the MalcontentPOTUS!

ConcealedKerry on September 18, 2013 at 7:53 PM

How many style points did the thin-skinned rat lose as a result?

Outside of who the Kardashians are bedding, Honey Boo’s antics, and Miley Cyrus…….. Presidential style points are all that is important these days.

Happy Nomad on September 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Regarding Syria…Obama has left the room…
This is all UN and Russia now.

albill on September 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Obama has done more international damage to the US Presidency and the United States in 3 months than Clinton did in 8 years.

His incompetence is shocking. His apologists are scandalous.

We’re only 10 months into his second term, can you imagine how much more damage he can do January 2017?

portlandon on September 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

We are still living with the results of the Iranian coup that the execrable Jimmy Carter promoted that put the mullahs in charge.

With the REB we will have the same problem in three countries, Libya, Egypt, and possibly Syria, and Iran will be worse.

Reverse Midas.

slickwillie2001 on September 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM

What is left of Bashar Assad army is a bunch of gangs and not all of them follow his orders in particular the gangs under the control of his brother Maher Assad and which also control the chemical weapons… So in my opinion I strongly believe that one of his brother commanders gave the order to launch the chemical attacks without the approval of Bashar Assad or even without him knowing that this was going to happen…

mnjg on September 18, 2013 at 8:02 PM

That everyone forget Barry ever said anything about a ‘red line’.

GarandFan on September 18, 2013 at 7:43 PM

GarandFan:A Glorious three minutes or so,enjoy:)
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Rex Murphy: Barack Obama and Syria
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Added: 4 days ago Occurred On: Sep-14-2013

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9e8_1379170446

canopfor on September 18, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Le Oops!!!!!!!!

Tweets

Syrian Presidency ‏@Presidency_Sy 2m

#Assad to #FoxNews: In one word, we did not use CW. We have evidence that terrorist groups used Sarin. Evidence was handed to the Russians.
==============

https://twitter.com/Presidency_Sy

canopfor on September 18, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Why I do believe that Barky is getting his chain yanked.

Thinks he can ‘pivot’ to domestic affairs?

But the horrors of WMDs! Putin disputes that the regime used them! UN Security Council in a bind….

Barky they need you!

Don’t say you weren’t warned about this, those who think this was a great idea. Because you were. Repeatedly.

ajacksonian on September 18, 2013 at 8:05 PM

But that jackass nonpartisan has already claimed victory for Obama.

Done deal.

Chuck Schick on September 18, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Regarding Syria…Obama has left the room…
This is all UN and Russia now.

albill on September 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM

albil;:

Exactly, Hopey/Changey is on a PIVOTY Economic,or
Gun-Grabbing NeverEnding Speechifications,followed
by,

Endless Days of Golfing!!:)

canopfor on September 18, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Nah, just kidding. This is, of course, theater for western dummies:
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Ahem,……..Lol!

canopfor on September 18, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Obama has already sided with the terrorists in Mexico, Benghazi and the rest of Libya, Egypt, now Syria and also with his Hollyweird friends against Seal Team Six.

There’s a pattern here….

viking01 on September 18, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Regarding Syria…Obama has left the room…
This is all UN and Russia now.

albill on September 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Golfing is more important to Obama…

Electrongod on September 18, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Oh Sh*t,another stain on Hopey:

Syrian civil war

A former Guantanamo Bay prisoner has died fighting for rebels in Syria, according to an opposition group – @Reuters

6 mins ago from http://www.reuters.com by editor
=============================================

Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:27pm EDT

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/18/us-usa-guantanamo-syria-idUSBRE98H1B620130918

canopfor on September 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM

I don’t think the Cold War ever really ended. It just took a hiatus while all those hard-core Communists tried to figure out a way to make themselves relevant again. Unfortunately, America elected a president who’s all too willing to help out. Especially since they added in the basically crazy parts of Islam just to make things interesting.

RebeccaH on September 18, 2013 at 8:14 PM

OOPS Part Deux:

Tweets

Syrian Presidency ‏@Presidency_Sy 8m

#Assad to #FoxNews: We invited the UN investigation in March 2013 with full authority and we’ve been asking them to come back.
Expand
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https://twitter.com/Presidency_Sy

canopfor on September 18, 2013 at 8:14 PM

The Fierce Moral Urgency of Doing Nothing!

That is the Obama policy about Syria: speak loudly, do nothing, walk away.

Except for that chain yanking by Putin and Assad to diminish his stature further, internationally. That will be something to see over the next couple of years.

ajacksonian on September 18, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Ya know,this is sheer brilliance,….not!!

Tweets

Syrian Presidency ‏@Presidency_Sy 4m

#Assad: We wanted the UN delegation to have full authority to investigate who did it and how.
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https://twitter.com/Presidency_Sy

canopfor on September 18, 2013 at 8:16 PM

We’re all out of Type B blood and this is all we have left so your chart says “wing it.”

Sebelius promised it’ll be okay…and , cough, “Dr.” Jocelyn “I love Eric Clapner” Elders never made a mistake in her life and is know for her attention to detail…..

viking01 on September 18, 2013 at 8:20 PM

canopfor on September 18, 2013 at 8:16 PM

And I bet that, just like Saddam, Assad will demand to have say over just who gets to be on those ‘teams’.

That is what taints the UN reports: it was done by people that Saddam liked and allowed in. And you can bet that Putin and Assad learned by watching what Saddam did just how they can yank an ‘aggressive’ process to their side by taming it. Clinton got his chain yanked and there was more at stake then. Obama self-committed to this, and he has put his reputation on the line… what little there is of it.

ajacksonian on September 18, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Too many winders open at once… that was for the O’Barkycare thread…

viking01 on September 18, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Watchoo gonna do now, Steel Spine, get yourself an AR15 shotgun and lay down the lay to Putin?

Bishop on September 18, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Well, in the recording studio musicians lay down tracks, so I guess a wandering minstrel-type could lay down a lay.

Maybe Obama can serenade the Russians: “Hey, fellas, let’s stay together!” (I give it a two… a total miscue and Vlad ain’t dancing to it.)

de rigueur on September 18, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Oh man who could have foreseen this?!?!

You’d have tobe a veritable Metternich or Tallyrand or Bismarck to have foreseen that offering to allow a dictator to get rid of his WMD’s would turn into a goat F*ck.

JFKY on September 18, 2013 at 8:39 PM

…I can’t believe I watched Dennis Kucinich…the goof from Cleveland interviewing Assad! WTF?
The Media is dead!

KOOLAID2 on September 18, 2013 at 8:40 PM

UN Syria shenanigans “breaking down”?

More like, “going exactly as planned” . . . by Putin.

But Politico will be along any moment to assure Americans that Barry planned to be stalled and conned and duped all along, ‘cuz he’s just that brilliant!

AZCoyote on September 18, 2013 at 8:53 PM

canopfor on September 18, 2013 at 8:16 PM

And I bet that, just like Saddam, Assad will demand to have say over just who gets to be on those ‘teams’.

That is what taints the UN reports: it was done by people that Saddam liked and allowed in. And you can bet that Putin and Assad learned by watching what Saddam did just how they can yank an ‘aggressive’ process to their side by taming it. Clinton got his chain yanked and there was more at stake then. Obama self-committed to this, and he has put his reputation on the line… what little there is of it.

ajacksonian on September 18, 2013 at 8:21 PM

ajacksonian:

Yup,and I never thought,this would be a huge back-fire
on the PR Campaign,btw,heres the Transcript of tonights
FOX News/Assad Interview!:)
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Syrian Presidency ‏@Presidency_Sy 1h

You can view the full script of President Al-Assad’s interview with American Fox News on the following link: http://sana.sy/eng/21/2013/09/19/503275.htm
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President al-Assad interview with Fox News
Sep 19, 2013
************

http://sana.sy/eng/21/2013/09/19/503275.htm

canopfor on September 18, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I guess, where watching Russia protect a degenerate who’s firing off gas-tipped missiles at civilians is less of an annoyance than them granting a visa to an American whose defenders treat him as a civil libertarian hero. Interesting times.

I am not optimistic for our future. We now have a majority of Low Information Americans. That was Obama’s brilliance, he tapped into the lowest common denominators of society; sloth, greed, envy, etc.

aquaviva on September 19, 2013 at 3:23 AM

Allah, you should be ashamed of yourself. How about questioning how they figured out the bomb’s trajectory well enough to place its point of origin on the planet Earth? They were not there. They are relying on “witnesses” in a part of the world noted for “Pallywood” staged videos of supposed Israeli atrocities. Were any of them on the spot? If they saw cell phone recordings of a rocket trajectory howinell do they know THAT was the rocket with the gas in it.

They babble about up to a ton of Sarin. If Sarin is supposed to be so deadly poisonous that drops kill people, one ton should have wiped out a city the size of Damascus if it was dispersed at all well. The death count should be very much higher than it was. And a ton on a rocket means one blooming big rocket.

Why would the gas be stored in and fielded from a major barracks? If anything were to go wrong, it wipes out how many of his soldiers? Don’t be silly. If Assad deployed it, the missile came from somewhere other than right in a major barracks.

Don’t you have even the slightest notion we’re being fed a frickin’ lie?

Even if the bozo DID do this, who cares? Both sides have already killed off tens of thousands of people. Isn’t THAT a better reason to stop them? Maybe. But neither is at all a good reason for US to waste a plugged nickle on trying to stop the mayhem. It’s Islamic sects exhausting each other with slaughter. Make your popcorn, sit back, watch.

While watching ask yourself when is the last time Assad or his minions chopped the liver and heart out of a dead enemy and consumed the heart in a propaganda video? Hm? Assad is bad. The opposition is dominated by people who make Assad look like an angel. Is there some law here in the US that we MUST always trade one evil for a worse one? If so we will reap the disaster we have sown.

{^_^}

herself on September 19, 2013 at 6:41 AM

The inspectors, instructed to investigate the attack but not to assign blame, nonetheless listed the precise compass directions of flight for two rocket strikes….

But launching the missiles from an impregnable regime power base instead of some more plausibly deniable locale is all but an admission to experts who know how to trace missile trajectories.

Sorry, but I call bullhockey. There aren’t any “experts” on “tracing missile trajectories” unless you have some observation of them in-flight. OK, sure, if you had one hit the edge of a rooftop, then embed clearly in an opposite wall or something, you would have *some* evidence… but not nearly enough to say whence it came. You could make some intelligent guesses as to its origin, but you couldn’t pinpoint its launch point with any amount of precision unless you observed its flight.

herself on September 19, 2013 at 6:41 AM

My only critique of your comment would be that it’s fairly obvious the “ton” of sarin they mention wasn’t on a single rocket, but spread across the barrage. Otherwise, spot on.

GWB on September 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM

herself on September 19, 2013 at 6:41 AM

GWB on September 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Agree with you both. The whole business of tracing where a rocket came from based on a rough bearing is nonsense.

In any case, if I wanted to fake an attack I would distribute my poison gas in simple containers in the area that I knew would be targeted by traditional artillery or rocketry.

slickwillie2001 on September 19, 2013 at 10:41 AM