Boehner: Okay, okay, we’ll vote on a continuing resolution that defunds ObamaCare

posted at 11:21 am on September 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

Cantor’s lame attempt to appease the “defund” crowd having failed, the House leadership’s apparently decided to punt the whole thing to Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz in the Senate:

“On the CR, we know what the position of this conference is,” Boehner said, speaking before his colleagues. “Every member in this room is for defunding Obamacare while letting the rest of the government continue to operate. We’re going to put Obamacare defunding directly into the CR. And then we’re going to send it over to the Senate, so our conservative allies over there can continue the fight. That’s where the fight is.”

“On every major issue we’ve faced for the past two and a half years, the math has been the same: House Republicans either find a way together to get to 218, or the Democrats who run the rest of Washington essentially get everything they want,” he added, pressing for House GOP unity.

Cantor wanted to send two separate bills to the Senate, one a straightforward CR that would fund O-Care and the other a defunding measure. Obviously Reid would have passed the former and trashed the latter, leaving “defund” supporters with a symbolic House vote (like the 40+ that have preceded it) and nothing else. Fine, says Boehner, you win — we’ll send only one bill that defunds ObamaCare to the Senate. Mitch McConnell, who’s terrified of losing conservative support in the Kentucky primary, will have no choice but to push for it, but even a weakened Obama isn’t going to lose many Senate Democrats when he’s defending the party’s signature legislation.

Which is to say, Reid and the Democrats will kill the new defunding bill, and then … what? Robert Costa expects that, once the “defund” measure fails, Boehner and Cantor will ask House conservatives to pass a clean CR that funds O-Care and wait for the debt-ceiling fight to try again to defund (or delay) the law. Will the caucus go along, though? WaPo wonders:

One, these conservatives have already demonstrated a willingness to buck leadership. Two, many of them view this as the last best chance to derail Obamacare, given imminent implementation dates. Three, their biggest political concerns are primary challenges and the ire of conservative groups who also want to shred Obamacare at all costs. A “we-tried-once-so-now-let’s-back-away” posture won’t ease any of their political pressures.

What’s more, in order for a budget strategy to really be tested, it must be drawn out to the last moment. These negotiations have increasingly become blinking contests, and Defund Obamacare advocates aren’t going to be happy until Senate Democrats are faced with a choice between a government shutdown and defunding Obamacare. Anything else will be seen as a token effort.

Would Boehner and the GOP leadership tolerate even a brief shutdown, if only to prove to the base that they weren’t afraid to do it to try to get Senate Dems to compromise, or is this going to be another situation where the Hastert Rule goes out the window at the last minute and Boehner passes something with Democratic votes plus a few dozen Republican moderates? Paul Ryan’s reportedly already being lined up to convince his colleagues that a shutdown is a bad idea. “The fight is on the debt limit,” he told the caucus this morning, per Costa. And indeed, according to WaPo reporter Paul Kane, Cantor apparently expects that ObamaCare will still be a live issue by the time the battle over the debt ceiling begins:

Giving up on entitlement reform, eh? Wonderful. Anywhere, there you go — a sneak preview of the next few weeks. The House will pass an essentially symbolic defund measure. Ted Cruz and Rand Paul will do their best to argue for passing it in the Senate and will fail, hopefully at least with Senate Republicans lined up behind them in opposition to Reid’s funding measure but maybe not. (McCain warned Republicans not to shut down the government this morning on CNN, but whether that means he’d vote for a CR that funded O-Care in the name of breaking a tea-party filibuster or would vote against it while waiting for the House to pass a clean CR themselves is unclear.) Then Boehner, Ryan, et al. will call for House Republicans to pass a CR that funds O-Care for the time being and to shift the defunding argument to the debt ceiling, where they’ll … surely stand on principle. Surely they won’t cave again for fear of the bad press the GOP would get for pursuing ObamaCare brinksmanship with America’s creditworthiness on the line. Right?

Read Philip Klein on tea partiers confusing tactical disagreements among Republicans with ideological ones.


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“Every member in this room is for defunding Obamacare while letting the rest of the government continue to operate.

I call horse hockey!!!!

Cindy Munford on September 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Apparently this is exactly what obama wants…no funding…chaos…then single payer for all…just like his commies wanted all along…the Townhall spokesperson said so on Faux….

Schadenfreude on September 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Nice to see Boehner cave to conservatives for once. But this effort is doomed. And meanwhile, amnesty is still lurking in the shadows, ready to pounce.

Jack_Burton on September 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM

…plus, obama will blame the stupid Rs all along…because they have no clue how to ‘rip his liar head off’.

The Liar just lied about how “wonderful his deficit reduction is going…how he’s doing everything right on the economy, energy and all that”…

Never mind that most in history are destitute, poor, unemployed, the land is bankrupt and the Oaf in Chief blames all and everything, as if he’s NOT been president for 5 years.

I hope and pray that PC will kill all, leftist slaves first.

Schadenfreude on September 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Shut Burn it down!

How about defunding the EPA as plan B? Surely even McConnell can get behind that, right? I mean the EPA is killing KY coal jobs and McConnell is up for reelection next year.

Charlemagne on September 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM

How many decades do we have to do it y’alls way before you buy a clue? Do we actually have to go bankrupt? Everyone want to talk strategy, no one wants to get dirty.

Cindy Munford on September 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Dragged to it kicking and screaming.

But the law of compensation must now play put: a major cave to amnesty or gun control. Balance must be restored. The universe must be put back in alignment.

rrpjr on September 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM

The USA is now run in Mugabe-style, with the same fools in charge.

The results are evident all over.

Schadenfreude on September 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Make them vote.

Bmore on September 18, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Schadenfreude on September 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Check QOTD from last evening.

Bmore on September 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM

PROVE IT !
.
Yes, our trust in you is that “piss poor”.

listens2glenn on September 18, 2013 at 11:33 AM

I think Boehner & Reid have something up their sleeves and it won’t be good for us. Evidently they expect it won’t pass the Senate.

Would love to see it pass the Senate tho, even tho Obama won’t sign it. Just to see the faces of Reid, Graham, McCain et al:-)

bluefox on September 18, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Giving up on entitlement reform, eh? Wonderful.

Oh, for the love of God. Didn’t 2012 and the Ryan demagoguery (by Dems and GOP alike) teach anyone anything?

Entitlement reform requires a solid majority. It also costs that majority. If the House GOP brings up entitlement reform now, the conversation won’t be about defunding or delaying Obamacare. It will be about pushing granny off a cliff.

I expected this knee-jerk, nitpicky bullcrap from the commenters, Allah. I didn’t expect it from you.

KingGold on September 18, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Stupid private businesses are the real culprit. They supported the Oaf in Chief’s ‘money maker’ and are now having to pay. I hope you all get ruined, you creepy fools.

obama’care’ – it should never be spelled as “care” because it is anything but…it is also not “affordable”. What a great infamous name. Only Charles Blow is named more aptly.

It will be changed every second so these money-machines will keep going. Also, many of Romneys friends are in the business.

Also, Michelle obama makes a lot of dough in this…her healthcare connections are deep and wide.

Never assume that obama’care’ was about caring for the sick, Never!!!

Schadenfreude on September 18, 2013 at 11:35 AM

The problem is that everybody is saying the Tea Party congressmen are threatening to shut the government down. They aren’t really but rather, “Here ya go, everything ya need except no ObamaCare.” and letting the Dems and Obama decide if THEY want to shut the government down. This is another example of the establishment and invertebrate Republicans helping the Democrat messaging. Time to get out of the Whig Party.

cartooner on September 18, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Check out the Blaze also…

Scrumpy on September 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Hi Scrumpy! I heard Beck today talk about that, but haven’t had time to get the details. Thanks for the links.

Yard work is calling me:-)

bluefox on September 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM

At this point, what difference does it make?
Shut it down!

Then take bids as to which government pension group storms the White House first.

But seriously, it would be nice if the Republicans just learned from…oh, I don’t know… the sequester and noticed that nobody noticed the decrease in spending. What else could you cut? It’s not like you’ll be getting any more revenue than last year… oh wait, you did! What do you know! There’s your sign to hold up in front of all of America. America is being taxed at the highest rate ever and the Democrats can’t find a square to spare!

LoganSix on September 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Defunding will never happen, the government will shut down, Republicans will be blamed, Pelosi will regain the speaker’s chair and all will be lost. Is there anybody in that Republican Party that has any idea what they are doing? Being tough is not the same as being stupid.

rplat on September 18, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Make them vote. Put the Democrats on record again before 2014 to support the steaming pile of Obamacare.

Give Senator Cruz the opportunity to make these arguments in the Senate and try to convince some in the public.

Obama and Reid are going to bash the Republicans either way — let them.

We need to make and win these arguments. It’s about time.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on September 18, 2013 at 11:38 AM

“On the CR, we know what the position of this conference is,” Boehner said, speaking before his colleagues. “Every member in this room is for defunding Obamacare while letting the rest of the government continue to operate ….. ”

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Well Mr Speaker, I may not be in the room, but I want it ALL defunded.

EPA, IRS, BATF, “Homeland Security”, National Education Association, National Endowment for the Arts, Public Broadcasting, Amtrak . . . . . .

listens2glenn on September 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Ryan is a wimp and he is wrong the fight is ocare. The future of many people and the country is on the line. Bill Ayres said he felt 25 million might have to die to get control of everything and this accomplishes their end without bullets, think about it.

tim c on September 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM

McConnell being behind the 8 ball. Love it. He’s been hiding under his desk too long on this; well actually complicit is getting other Senators not to back Cruz & Lee.

When my yard work is finished, I’ll make a few targeted Senate calls:-)

bluefox on September 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Then Boehner, Ryan, et al. will call for House Republicans to pass a CR that funds O-Care for the time being and to shift the defunding argument to the debt ceiling, where they’ll … surely stand on principle. Surely they won’t cave again for fear of the bad press the GOP would get for pursuing ObamaCare brinksmanship with America’s creditworthiness on the line.

“Surely you can’t be serious!” “I am serious.. and don’t call me Shirley!”

Jomama on September 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

If the GOP isn’t willing to at least entertain a government shutdown, then this is all for show. Obama will never sign any bill that defunds, delays, or even tweaks Obamacare. And even if the GOP could find enough vulnerable, terrified Senate Dems to go along with defunding or delaying it, Reid would not allow it to come up for a vote under those circumstances. So it’s put up or shut up time. Either do everything in your power(which is limited unfortunately with only the House under Republican control) to defund Obamacare or cave yet again and fund it and admit to your base that you have no stomach to even attempt to fight the implementation of this law until January 2017(and that’s assuming a Republican manages to actually win the Presidency).

Doughboy on September 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

A question I’ve never seen answered from the pro-PlaceboCare funding faction – if a defunding can’t get to 67 in the Senate, just how does a PlaceboCare delay measure (especially one that delays the subsidy checks) or build Keystone measure get to 51 in the Senate, much less 67 to override any veto made if it got to 51?

Steve Eggleston on September 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Make them vote.

Bmore on September 18, 2013 at 11:31 AM

This. If it fails, it fails. However, we will have a roll call to see who the real patriots are and who voted for repeal as merely a show vote for their base.

Kafir on September 18, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on September 18, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Totally agree.

bluefox on September 18, 2013 at 11:44 AM

I gotta say, I think the defund/delay tactics over ObamaCare are a mistake. Who really believes that Obama will support any bill designed to hollow out his signature policy “achievement”? So, what is the point exactly? Just to make a point, I guess? He doesn’t care if the gov’t is shutdown, because the GOP will be blamed. He doesn’t care if we go over the debt limit, because he knows the GOP will be blamed.

Even if they’re doing that just for show, what is gained?

changer1701 on September 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Then Boehner, Ryan, et al. will call for House Republicans to pass a CR that funds O-Care for the time being and to shift the defunding argument to the debt ceiling, where they’ll … surely stand on principle. Surely they won’t cave again for fear of the bad press the GOP would get for pursuing ObamaCare brinksmanship with America’s creditworthiness on the line.

“Surely you can’t be serious!” “I am serious.. and don’t call me Shirley!”

Jomama on September 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Actually, they are Shirley, and we’re Bo(eh)ned again.

Steve Eggleston on September 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM

negotiations should start with a balanced budget amendment and negotiate what gets cut from there…priorities are what’s for breakfast

DanMan on September 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Why not pass all of these measures onto Harry Reid and frankly to Obama’s desk. Make them all answer the real question: what are they going to do about all entitlement reforms.

CBO: Entitlements, ObamaCare To Make Up 53% of Federal Spending – (CNSNews.com) – According to projections from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), entitlements and ObamaCare spending will comprise 53 percent of all federal spending over the coming decade, totaling $24.9 trillion. link

Why not make all of these Democrats wallow in these facts—collectively?

Rovin on September 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM

H/T wren:

U.S. Senators who are up for re-election in 2014 (Class II) – 33

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?Class=2

Republicans (13)

Lamar Alexander (R-TN)

Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) – Not running for re-election

Thad Cochran (R-MS)

Susan Collins (R-ME)

John Cornyn (R-TX)

Michael Enzi (R-WY)

Lindsey Graham (R-SC)

James Inhofe (R-OK)

Mike Johanns (R-NE) – Not running for re-election

Mitch McConnell (R-KY)

James Risch (R-ID)

Pat Roberts (R-KS)

Jeff Sessions (R-AL)

Democrats (20)

Max Baucus (D-MT) – Not running for re-election

Mark Begich (D-AK)

Christopher Coons (D-DE)

Richard Durbin (D-IL)

Al Franken (D-MN)

Kay Hagan (D-NC)

Tom Harkin (D-IA) – Not running for re-election

Tim Johnson (D-SD) – Not running for re-election

John Kerry (D-MA) – Special Election to replace John Kerry is on June 25. Gabriel Gomez (R) vs. Ed Markey (D)

Mary Landrieu (D-LA)

Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) – Deseased. Special Primary election in August. General election in October.

Carl Levin (D-MI) – Not running for re-election

Jeff Merkley (D-OR)

Mark Pryor (D-AR)

Jack Reed (D-RI)

John Rockefeller IV (D-WV) – Not running for re-election

Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)

Mark Udall (D-CO)

Tom Udall (D-NM)

Mark Warner (D-VA)
Oh yeah! Get them on the record!! Call them!
http://www.congressmerge.com/ Click on your State.

bluefox on September 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM

“Every member in this room is for defunding Obamacare while letting the rest of the government continue to operate.

I call horse hockey!!!!

Cindy Munford on September 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Oh Cindy, you’re far too kind!!

I call Mothe*fing*&%God dam%edsuck azz%&##LIARS!!!!!

ToddPA on September 18, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Even if they’re doing that just for show, what is gained?

changer1701 on September 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM

so what hill is worth defending?

DanMan on September 18, 2013 at 11:48 AM

once the “defund” measure fails, Boehner and Cantor will ask House conservatives to pass a clean CR that funds O-Care and wait for the debt-ceiling fight to try again to defund (or delay) the law. Will the caucus go along, though?

NO MORE SYMBOLIC VOTES! If Boehner and Cantor tell conservatives (once again) to shut up and vote for Obamacare, there should be an immediate move toa no confidence vote and kick these Quislings out of leadership.

Happy Nomad on September 18, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Well Mr Speaker, I may not be in the room, but I want it ALL defunded.

EPA, IRS, BATF, “Homeland Security”, National Education Association, National Endowment for the Arts, Public Broadcasting, Amtrak . . . . . .

listens2glenn on September 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Now, now. You know only God can accomplish the impossible:-)

bluefox on September 18, 2013 at 11:49 AM

I hate politicians

mrscullen on September 18, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Shut Burn it down!

How about defunding the EPA as plan B? Surely even McConnell can get behind that, right? I mean the EPA is killing KY coal jobs and McConnell is up for reelection next year.

Charlemagne on September 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Ballsup! Them them not a cent til the border fence is finished, all the illegal criminals they’ve released are sent back, and STAND YOUR F***ING GROUND!-at least pretend you’re half the man nancy pelosi is, for a day :o
After that settle for the dismantling of obamacare as a conciliation prize. It’s called fighting back against despotism and yes it will take courage…never mind.

onomo on September 18, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Scrumpy on September 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Hah, truckers and bikers to be audited by the i r s next :)

Schadenfreude on September 18, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Bmore on September 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Ok…I will, now.

Schadenfreude on September 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM

This wont go to conference committee?

Gabriel Malor (at ace o spades) is reporting that the GOP plan is to push for delaying ObamaCare for 1 years as part of the final deal.

gwelf on September 18, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Boehner fights harder against his own Congress than he does Obama.

portlandon on September 18, 2013 at 11:56 AM

What happened to doing a budget through normal order?

When did we revert back to a CR as the be-all/end-all?

The GOP has moved the goal posts yet again.

Boehner committed in January that he would only be working through normal order. I must have missed the GOP memo out to all conservatives stating that they were going to again head into negotiations on a CR.

Seriously, the House should NOT be voting on a CR. Pass budgets through normal order.

These crises are being manufactured to keep informed voters paying attention, raising money for politicians, and voting for their partisan candidates.

Both the GOP and the DEMs are willfully ignoring budgeting through normal order so that they can keep themselves constantly in the public discourse.

We are in trouble…

weaselyone on September 18, 2013 at 11:56 AM

McCain warned Republicans not to shut down the government this morning on CNN, but whether that means he’d vote for a CR that funded O-Care in the name of breaking a tea-party filibuster or would vote against it while waiting for the House to pass a clean CR themselves is unclear.

Psssst; you will rarely go wrong when betting that McCain, given a choice of two options, will pick the one best from a liberal perspective, and worst from a conservative perspective.

McCain will reliably vote against a CR that defunds Obamacare. If you disagree, give me your odds and I’ll take that bet.

Midas on September 18, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Gabriel Malor (at ace o spades) is reporting that the GOP plan is to push for delaying ObamaCare for 1 years as part of the final deal.

gwelf on September 18, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Yeah, that’s happening…NOT! There will be no delay of either the individual mandate or (more importantly) the subsidy checks, no Keystone XL, and once again, no balls from Bo(eh)ner.

Steve Eggleston on September 18, 2013 at 11:58 AM

A question I’ve never seen answered from the pro-PlaceboCare funding faction – if a defunding can’t get to 67 in the Senate, just how does a PlaceboCare delay measure (especially one that delays the subsidy checks) or build Keystone measure get to 51 in the Senate, much less 67 to override any veto made if it got to 51?

Steve Eggleston on September 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Because Democrats love compromise. Obama talks about it all the time. He wants to compromise with the GOP – even though the GOP is purposely trying to hurt people and destroy lives in order to make a political point to right wing extremists.

And unicorns.

gwelf on September 18, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Boehner fights harder against his own Congress than he does Obama.

portlandon on September 18, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Just conservatives. Justin Amash was among those that have been punished for not being “moderate enough” for the orange-tinged coward.

Happy Nomad on September 18, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Yeah, that’s happening…NOT! There will be no delay of either the individual mandate or (more importantly) the subsidy checks, no Keystone XL, and once again, no balls from Bo(eh)ner.

Steve Eggleston on September 18, 2013 at 11:58 AM

I didn’t say it would happen – only that this was the plan.

I think allahpundit correctly highlights the problem when you aren’t willing to go to the mat and are in constant fear of what the media/Democrats will say about you: you will always cave on most everything.

gwelf on September 18, 2013 at 12:00 PM

I just have 2 simple things to say.

1. For establishment Republicans, they Have REPEATEDLY tried to convince conservatives that the NEXT fight is the one to bring the fight to Obama.

2. The time has come, defund the bitch.

h a p f a t on September 18, 2013 at 12:01 PM

I gotta say, I think the defund/delay tactics over ObamaCare are a mistake. Who really believes that Obama will support any bill designed to hollow out his signature policy “achievement”? So, what is the point exactly? Just to make a point, I guess? He doesn’t care if the gov’t is shutdown, because the GOP will be blamed. He doesn’t care if we go over the debt limit, because he knows the GOP will be blamed.

Even if they’re doing that just for show, what is gained?

changer1701 on September 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM

The public overwhelmingly opposes Obamacare. This has nothing to do with the budget. This has only to do with scoring political points with the base to get re-elected. It took less than a year for the House GOP to go from “we will not continue funding the government through CRs and fiscal cliffs and instead will only fund the government through normal order budgeting” to “we can score political points by voting to defund Obamacare as many times as humanly possible”.

The House starting point of negotiations should be a balanced budget not funding Obamacare. Then reconcile with the Senate budget and fight it out in committee with the Senate.

Effectively, the end game is the same except the House members only vote a couple of times instead of 8,000 times on Obamacare.

weaselyone on September 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Folks been itching for a government shutdown. I’m tempted to say, just shut it down. If its 1996 redux, and the Leeroy Jenkins crowd here was too stupid to figure that out, it’s far enough from the 2014 cycle we have a chance of recovering from the damage.

Sekhmet on September 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Reid would not let the bill even come to a vote, just like he has done for almost all (or every?) anti-Bambi-care bill.

TerryW on September 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Shut the whole damned thing down! Then we’ll find out what’s REALLY IMPORTANT!

GarandFan on September 18, 2013 at 12:06 PM

negotiations should start with a balanced budget amendment and negotiate what gets cut from there…priorities are what’s for breakfast
DanMan on September 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM

And this is where real leverage lies… Yes, if we can’t get Obamacare defunded, then we née to force their hand on some other conservative populist priority!

h a p f a t on September 18, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Reading the comments I see a lot of people unwilling to take any risk. In other words, the GOP is never supposed to express opposition or fight for anything. This is how we got into this mess. Gop goes along to get along and has no opposition message. If you have any mojo you are looking at how you can persuade and you give yourself those opportunities. I can’t relate to people who want to surrender before they start. Democrats don’t surrender and that is why the GOP is not in power and is a joke.

Charm on September 18, 2013 at 12:09 PM

when Boehner, Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) met last week, “Democrats made clear that any bill with a defund provision would be dead on arrival, both in the Senate and at the White House.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/17/Boehner-May-Have-to-Ask-Pelosi-for-Votes-to-Fund-Gov-t

bluefox on September 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Remember when the sequester was supposed to usher in Armageddon?

Yeah, the government “shutdown” is for ‘non-essential’ services and personnel. So, the entitlement state will still keep going as well as the military. The worst thing that will happen if the government shuts down is that the media/Democrats will blow a gasket predicting doom and gloom.

gwelf on September 18, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Steve Eggleston on September 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Good question??..”Delay” has a +/- 10% chance..Defunding has a 0% chance of passing..:)

Dire Straits on September 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Reading the comments I see a lot of people unwilling to take any risk. In other words, the GOP is never supposed to express opposition or fight for anything. This is how we got into this mess. Gop goes along to get along and has no opposition message. If you have any mojo you are looking at how you can persuade and you give yourself those opportunities. I can’t relate to people who want to surrender before they start. Democrats don’t surrender and that is why the GOP is not in power and is a joke.

Charm on September 18, 2013 at 12:09 PM

The fact that we are arguing over defunding Obamacare in a CR demonstrates that the GOP has already lost.

Who benefits from never ending CRs besides Democrats who get to lock in spending at inflated rates? Even any “cuts” or reductions in spending in a CR revert back to the baseline actual budget after the CR expires.

Republicans are hosing us by not hitting the democrats on the lack of an actual budget passed by both houses and signed by the President.

Democrats favor the CR right now because the scales are tipped in their favor. Having a couple of symbolic votes and the passing a CR that increases spending is not a win for any conservative I know.

weaselyone on September 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Shut r down!

redware on September 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM

O/T sort of.

Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz says Obamacare is “a good thing for the country.”

He doesn’t stop there, he criticizes companies reducing hours to avoid Obamacare. Oh, boy. Glad I don’t have any stock in that Co.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/17/Starbucks-CEO-Obamacare-A-Good-Thing-For-The-Country

bluefox on September 18, 2013 at 12:18 PM

but even a weakened Obama isn’t going to lose many Senate Democrats when he’s defending the party’s signature legislation.

See, this right here you have to prove, you can’t just make that claim.

How many Dems LOST THEIR SEATS in 2010 DIRECTLY because of their Obamacare vote?

Yes, most of the action was in the House, anyone remember Bart Stupak and any of his gang, I believe all of which are now gone?

Several Senators had close calls or fights they didn’t want DIRECTLY because of their Obamacare vote.

How many Dem Senators from conservative states are up for reelection in 2014? West Virgina? Alaska? ….

Again, prove your statement that “even a weakened Obama isn’t going to lose many Senate Democrats.”

For how many years now have Senate Dems been promised that the public will start loving Obamacare and IT. HASN’T. HAPPENED?

2014 is just around the corner.

I think a very strong argument can be made (and I just started it) that the time is riper than it’s ever been for some Dem Senators to jump ship.

hrh40 on September 18, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Sekhmet on September 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I see your point..This time a “shut down” would be worse..:)

Dire Straits on September 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Good question??..”Delay” has a +/- 10% chance..Defunding has a 0% chance of passing..:)

Dire Straits on September 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM

A -10% chance is about right. Given Bo(eh)ner and company can’t negotiate off of full sticker when there’s a “$500 off invoice” sign in the window, there isn’t a positive chance, much less +10%.

Steve Eggleston on September 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM

I think a very strong argument can be made (and I just started it) that the time is riper than it’s ever been for some Dem Senators to jump ship.

hrh40 on September 18, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Question for you..Do you really think the Dems will give up their “dream” legislation of universal health care..Do you really think that??..:)

Dire Straits on September 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM

“We’ll submit the danged defunding!” — The Weeping McShame Boner

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 18, 2013 at 12:23 PM

In my opinion this won’t pass the House. Boehner will have enough Dems to vote against it to insure that. Otherwise he would not even bring this bill up for a vote. Sad, but he’s the sell-out he’s always been.

Another dog & pony show which Boehner, Cantor & McCarthy are good at.

bluefox on September 18, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Polls show that a majority of Americans want Obamacare GONE NOW. There are certain pieces of Obamacare that already have been designated for ‘mandatory funding’; however, there is a large part that can be defunded. Polls also show a majority of Americans want politicians to pass the Defunding Measure NOW.

Career Politicians like Boehner whose 1st & foremost concern is his own political survival are not only not in favor of even THREATENING to defund the government over defunding Obamacare but has also reportedly tried to strong-arm fellow Republicans in opposing it as well. In other words,Boehner has been lbbying FOR Obamacare. He is opposed to even the threat of defunding Obamacare because he is terrified of the Progressive / Liberal political machine who will use the support of the majority of the media to wage a propoganda campaign to blame the GOP…eventually potentially causing HIM to lose HIS Speaker job and even possibly HIS job.

To h#ll with what is best for the nation, which would be to get rid of this job/business/economy-destroying law whose purpose – as Harry Reid even declared – is to destroy the US healthcare system and lead to the single-payer system.

Boehner & the GOP also $uc& at PR. Boehner needs to grab some air time & explain how Obamacare was built on lies, how it has destroyed the 40hr work week, destroyed jobs, destroyed businesses, caused people to lose health insurance, is designed to fail, is being used to bribe politicians (exempt from paying up to 70% of their premiums), was Un-Constitutionally RE-written by Chief Justice Roberts to save it, & how Obama is violating the Constitution every time he declares a change to it as any change must come through a Congressional Amendment.

Boehner needs to explain how a government ‘shut down’ means:
o The Interest on our Debt is paid
o Social Security Checks go out
o Medicare / Medicaid still get paid
o Welfare checks still go out
o Food Stamps still go out
o The military is still funded.

He neds to point out that one of the biggest things that isn’t paid out is the salaries of our Federal Politicians who have refused to pass a budget – required annually by law – for 5 years, who are just coming off of a 5 week vacation – time they refused to work when no budget has been passed in 5 years, & other massive problems continue to exist.

He needs to point out that if the government shuts down Obama can’t use tax dollars to go on yet another monthly multi-million dollar tax payer-funded vacation (like his $100 Million African Vacation earlier this year).

He needs to explain how this President – who called Bush ‘Un-Patriotic’ for adding $4 trillion in debt during 9/11/01, 2 wars, & a 2 year DNC Super-Majority controlled Congress his last 2 years in office – has added OVER $6 TRILLION in only 4 years, setting ‘monthly’, ‘annual’, and ‘ total’ deficit-spending records along the way. He should explain how we are almost $17 trillion in debt & the guy who added that $6+ trillion wants to keep spending without a budget, without any intention of putting into place a plan that calls for us to spend no more than we colledt in tax revenu each year (thereby addnig NO MORE deficit-spending-added debt).

He needs to tell the American people that if we do NOT end deficit-spending once and for all we are risking the collapse of the US, just as we have seen other nations in in Europe do.

What he NEEDS to do is pull a page from the Liberal Playbook – Turn the Tables: Pass a bill that supports funding the government – heck, give the Democrats everything else they want – except for Obamacare. Then send it up to the Senate and DARE the DEMOCRATS to shut-down the government over Obamacare, a bill they KNOW hurts the US, the US Economy, & their Constituents!

easyt65 on September 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Folks been itching for a government shutdown. I’m tempted to say, just shut it down. If its 1996 redux, and the Leeroy Jenkins crowd here was too stupid to figure that out, it’s far enough from the 2014 cycle we have a chance of recovering from the damage.

Sekhmet on September 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM

You should also remind people what actually happened in 1996. The GOP lost two House seats and gained two Senate seats. Hardly the disaster that the contemporary mythology claims (accepted by the turds in the GOP leadership, even).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Steve Eggleston on September 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM

lolz..Agree on Boehner negotiation skills..But defunding has zero chance whoever is negotiating it..:)

Dire Straits on September 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM

“The fight is on the debt limit,” he told the caucus this morning, per Costa.

Bull. Defunding Obamacare is a FAR more important issue than raising the debt ceiling yet again. If Republicans can’t understand the importance of this issue, and fight with everything to win it, then it’s all over for the GOP.

Shump on September 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM

You should also remind people what actually happened in 1996. The GOP lost two House seats and gained two Senate seats. Hardly the disaster that the contemporary mythology claims (accepted by the turds in the GOP leadership, even).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Conventional wisdom says it hurt the GOP because Clinton won re-election in 1996. But he did that by moderating his positions and signing on to some conservative proposals like welfare reform. The shutdown did not hurt conservatives.

Shump on September 18, 2013 at 12:30 PM

A shutdown would only benefit the masochists in the crowd. For all others it has no useful outcome or positive utility.

rplat on September 18, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Our Federal Politicians have already PROVEN – through their inability to get anything accomplished (like passing a budget required by law annually) and through their numerous month(s) long vacations – that America can get along with them for months at a time. THERFORE….

I would like to see CONGRESS ‘Furloughed’ … combine all the time they are actually IN SESSIOn, and it comes up to something like 6 months. So, make their official Political Service / Terms 1 6-Month period during the year…then cut their pay in HALF (& Re-negotiate/define their benefits packages. Since they now only work 6 months a year, they get no tax-payer funded paid vacations, for example). Keep them ‘On Call’ so if something critical comes up for which they are needed they can be re-called to Washington.

Return the majority of the power to govern back into the hands of those our Founding Fathers intended it to be all along – the STATES.

easyt65 on September 18, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Here’s what Boehner should do: pass a CR which also fully implement Obamacare with ZERO exemptions. Make the pain hit fast and hard. Make the Democrats defend NOT implementing their signature legislative item because mid-terms are coming up. Even the stupidest of LIVs would start to wonder why, if O-care creates nirvana, the Democrats don’t want to send us all to heaven before the voters go to the polls in 2014.

I know that I’m dreaming because Boehner is a stupid,ball-less little pissant.

Physics Geek on September 18, 2013 at 12:34 PM

then it’s all over for the GOP.

Shump on September 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM

It’s been over for awhile. They don’t want to defund Obamacare. They’re fine with Obamacare. The whole kerfuffle and embarrasses exasperates them.

rrpjr on September 18, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Read Philip Klein on tea partiers confusing tactical disagreements among Republicans with ideological ones.

I think Klein has it wrong. He stretches, and he almost gets there, but then he falls back.

Now I do agree with him that some members of the defund crowd are not thinking this through. But this isn’t a question of tactics vs. ideology. It would be, if the GOP leadership actually had a tactic.

As I have said for weeks now, the plan should be to push hard for defund and to hammer that idea home. The entire GOP should be speaking with one voice on that idea, letting Obama know that he’s facing a united caucus. Then, since he’s obviously not going to accept that, the GOP then pulls back and reluctantly accepts an implementation delay.

That’s a tactic. And it’s one that the Tea Party would reluctantly accept. At least the ones that are capable of seeing that there’s really no path to defund. The current GOP “tactic” is to surrender the fight. And that’s something that the Tea Party ideology won’t allow.

Klein isn’t thinking it through.

Chris of Rights on September 18, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Gabriel Malor (at ace o spades) is reporting that the GOP plan is to push for delaying ObamaCare for 1 years as part of the final deal.

gwelf on September 18, 2013 at 11:56 AM

I don’t understand the logic of delay. It seems the worst of both worlds. If Obamacare is so bad, why put off the pain and the related political gain? Why lull people when you need to energize them? What happens in a year? We defund it then?

rrpjr on September 18, 2013 at 12:41 PM

You should also remind people what actually happened in 1996. The GOP lost two House seats and gained two Senate seats. Hardly the disaster that the contemporary mythology claims (accepted by the turds in the GOP leadership, even).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

That’s because the inept, incompetent allowed the Liberals to dominate the discussion/narrative – they didn’t even TRY to get the TRUTH out. They allowed the Liberals to convince Grandma, Grandpa, and all of the people sitting on their butts waiting for a check that those checks would stop if the nasty ol GOP shut down the government. You and i KNOW that is a lie, but the GOP never ‘set the stage’ – told people thre truth/facts & warned the people this fear-mongering based on lies is exactly what the Liberals would revert to.

They $uc& at PR and getting their message out. They are so paralyzed by fear for their own jobs they do NOTHING…and always let the Liberals kick their collective @$$e$ by usiong lies, deception, fear-mongering, & great use of PR & getting their lies out to the public. If you $uc& THAT bad at selling your message & doing your job, you should be FIRED any way!

At this point, while Liberals reclaiming the House & Senate would mark the completely paved road to the destruction of the US, I want to see POSes like Boehner GONE because he – and many of our politicians – is a gutless self-focused coward who has completely forgotten his oath of office, to protect and defend the Constitution & enfore the law. As I continually point out, Nixon was Impeached for participating in the cover-up of 1 scandal. Obama is currently engaged in the cover-up of no less than 4 and is continuously (proven) violating the Constitution (like by constantly changing Obamacare – Congress’ job). Boehner, McConnel, and all of the other GUTLESS POS Republicans still REFUSE to do anything FOR FEAR OF THEIR OWN JOBS. You either stand up & do what is right FOR THE NATION or you need to get the h#ll out of office!

easyt65 on September 18, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Paul Ryan’s reportedly already being lined up to convince his colleagues that a shutdown is a bad idea. “The fight is on the debt limit,” he told the caucus this morning, per Costa.

Like it has been so many times before?

I call BS.

Bitter Clinger on September 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM

I don’t understand the logic of delay. It seems the worst of both worlds. If Obamacare is so bad, why put off the pain and the related political gain? Why lull people when you need to energize them? What happens in a year? We defund it then?

rrpjr on September 18, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Indeed. Next year is at this time is election season. No way the GOP risks talk of a govt. shutdown just ahead of an election. Defund now. Waiting gains them nothing.

Bitter Clinger on September 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

If you live in Oklahoma you better get on the phone and call Senator Coburn.

Our kin told us he’s non-committal on this issue.

Washington D.C.:
172 Russell Senate Office Bldg.
Washington, DC 20510
Main: 202-224-5754
Fax: 202-224-6008

Tulsa:
1800 South Baltimore
Suite 800
Tulsa, OK 74119
Main: 918-581-7651
Fax: 918-581-7195

Oklahoma City:
100 North Broadway
Suite 1820
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
Main: 405-231-4941
Fax: 405-231-5051

Call and tell him you support fully DEFUNDING OBAMACARE no matter how they do it.

PappyD61 on September 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Best manager I ever worked under had a saying… “Don’t bring me problems, bring me solutions, and I’ll help you choose among them”. So here’s my lame attempt at a solution…

I say pass two bills in the House in this order…

1) Fund Obamacare, but rescind all exemptions and waivers as illegal, and reinstate all dates as required by the original law. A nice provision would also state that illegal tampering with waivers or dates shall be considered as high crimes, violating the separation of powers.

2) Defund all of Obamacare.

Then let the Dems pick their poison. Keep in mind that choosing #1 may just result in #2 after the outcry from businesses…

Comments?

dominigan on September 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Physics Geek on September 18, 2013 at 12:34 PM

LOL! Apparently great minds think alike, or something like that…

dominigan on September 18, 2013 at 12:51 PM

I wonder who the Senate Dems are that are facing re-election in 2014/16 that might be viewed as ‘vulnerable’. Their constituents – even the Democrat ones – do *not* like the direction Obamacare is headed.

Do *not* simply presume that no Democrat Senator is going to give defunding a second thought – especially if some additional pressure (there is already some, believe me) can be brought to bear.

Midas on September 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

rrpjr on September 18, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Remember that 30% think that Obiecare is going to be free..Once this train wreck (Obiecare) becomes real folks will start feeling the pain and raising he!! we will get changes..:)

PS..If you have time listen to this podcast..It is a good plan..imho..:)

Dire Straits on September 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

And call Senator Lamar Alexander, and make him feel the heat.

Melt the phone lines.

http://www.alexander.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=OfficeLocations

Washington Office
Phone: (202) 224-4944

Chattanooga Office
Phone: (423) 752-5337

Jackson Office
Phone: (731) 423-9344

Knoxville Office
Phone: (865) 545-4253

Memphis Office
Phone: (901) 544-4224

Pass along to friends and family.

That’s bullcrap that Paul Ryan is talking about “fighting” on another issue. The gop leadership is gutless and let’s call them out on it.

PappyD61 on September 18, 2013 at 12:54 PM

lolz..Agree on Boehner negotiation skills..But defunding has zero chance whoever is negotiating it..:)

Dire Straits on September 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM

So does delay. PlaceboCare needs the individual mandate to keep the funding going more than 4 years, and neither half of the bipartisan Party-In-Government really wants to stop the subsidies.

Steve Eggleston on September 18, 2013 at 12:54 PM

PS..If you have time listen to this podcast..It is a good plan..imho..:)

Dire Straits on September 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Sorry..fixed..:)

Dire Straits on September 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Shut the whole damned thing down! Then we’ll find out what’s REALLY IMPORTANT!

GarandFan on September 18, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Indeed. I hope all the looters/moochers starve.

Schadenfreude on September 18, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Steve Eggleston on September 18, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Remember when TV switched from analog to digital and the confusion it caused..Now multiply that by 100 and you will get the confusion of Obiecare..When folks start to feel the impact of Obiecare things will change pretty quickly..imho..:)

PS..This should be a bigger “brake” than the defund strategy..imho..:)

Dire Straits on September 18, 2013 at 1:05 PM

We are being irrational here. Either the law sucks and when implemented it will continue to lose support over the damage done to economy or the public will become additcted to it. If you believe the latter then you must agree with the President that once people understand ACA then they will love it. You can’t haven’t both ways. If the former is true the best Republican strategy is a symbolic vote to defund in the House while Senate kills the CR. The law will go into effect and the economy will get slammed in an electon year. The Republicans then retain the House and get control of the Senate. Proceed from there.

Sounds to me that too many Conservatives don’t have the courage of their convictions on how bad Obamacare is for healtchcare or the economy. Sounds to me like they believe it will work.

I expect that most the Hotair firebrands will come on swinging with this indicating that deep in their hearts they believe Obamacare will work.

jerryofva on September 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Read Philip Klein on tea partiers confusing tactical disagreements among Republicans with ideological ones.

Sorry, it is an ideological disagreement. We keep hearing “this is not a hill to die on” and promises that the Republicans are saving ammo up for “the next fight.” Of course the next fight never materializes. The bottom line is this isn’t tactics, this isn’t 10th dimensional chess, it’s an ideological disagreement.

Drew M at Ace had a good post about this. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/343453.php

The bottom line is there’s a permanent rift that is splintering the GOP and we’re probably going to have to see a whig style collapse before we get a serious conservative party.

Doomberg on September 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM

I expect that most the Hotair firebrands will come on swinging with this indicating that deep in their hearts they believe Obamacare will work.

jerryofva on September 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Obiecare definitely will NOT work..Once folks see and feel the pain from the Obiecare train wreck things will change..:)

Dire Straits on September 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Midas on September 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

See my list at bluefox on September 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM

bluefox on September 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

bluefox on September 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Check out the links I have posted in this thread..I think you will find them interesting..:)

Dire Straits on September 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Sounds to me that too many Conservatives don’t have the courage of their convictions on how bad Obamacare is for healtchcare or the economy. Sounds to me like they believe it will work.

jerryofva on September 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM

The people who keep insisting that the law needs to be “put into effect to REALLY make people suffer” make no sense. There’s already a majority against it and it never polls well. Suppose the number of people who hate it jumps from 55% to 65%. What appreciable effect is this going to have on the political outcome? The people who are arguing “let’s make people suffer” are approaching this from an attitude of us having lost the public debate and with only 20% or 25% resistant to the law.

We HAVEN’T lost the debate. We’ve won it. This law is being implemented against the will of the people. This shows up in EVERY poll.

Furthermore, why do we have to blow a few trillion before we can get rid of it? Let’s move against it now before it can do anymore damage.

Doomberg on September 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Single Payer Is The Goal.

Bmore on September 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Obiecare definitely will NOT work..Once folks see and feel the pain from the Obiecare train wreck things will change..:)

Dire Straits on September 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Another one of these. HOW is it going to change? The majority of the country is already against it. The law is being implemented against the will of the people. Are the Democrats suddenly going to blow up their own law if 65% of the populace instead of 55% is against it?

What do people think is going to suddenly happen? I’m frankly mystified.

Doomberg on September 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM

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