Report: Navy Yard shooter passed federal, state background checks when buying shotgun; Update: RI police warned Naval police?

posted at 5:21 pm on September 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

A scooplet from the Washington Times. If you’re wondering how he managed to slip through the security cracks and gain access to a Navy installation, consider this a clue. Nothing he’d done in the past gave the FBI reason to ding him in buying a gun. Why would the Pentagon have dinged him when he applied to work on government computer systems?

Aaron Alexis easily passed Federal Bureau Investigation and Virginia state background checks to purchase a shotgun from Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Va., over the weekend, The Washington Times has learned.

The retail store put the former Navy reservist’s name through both systems checks before selling him a shotgun and shotgun shells, a source familiar with the transaction said.

Has anyone established yet whether Alexis was ever convicted of a crime? We know of three scrapes with the law so far: The 2004 “shoot the tires” incident in Seattle, which was referred to municipal court but the disposition of which is unclear; some sort of disorderly conduct incident in Georgia 2008, which earned him a temporary demotion from the Navy and a few nights in jail but perhaps nothing else; and the 2010 “shoot through the ceiling” incident in Texas, for which no charges were filed. This guy may very well have had no criminal record, which would explain why he “easily” passed the background check and why he was greenlit to work on a military base.

There was, however, a sign recently that something was amiss:

Six weeks before he killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard, Aaron Alexis called police to his hotel room in Rhode Island and said he was hearing voices in the closet and wanted to move to a Navy hotel, police said Tuesday.

Alexis, working as a Navy contractor at the time, made the call Aug. 7 and told police that he had had an argument with three people at the airport, and claimed that they were following him, said Lt. William Fitzgerald of the Newport police.

One of Joe Manchin’s aides told Politico today that he won’t try to use the Navy Yard killings to revive his bill to expand background checks. Why would he if opponents can point to the fact that Alexis himself passed a check to get his shotgun? If gun-control fans are determined to use this shooting to expand the law, the obvious — and perilous — thing to do is push for more aggressive reporting by police and psychologists on someone who’s suspected of mental illness. You could have a legal regime where Rhode Island cops are forced to alert the system when they respond to a call like the one they got from Alexis about hearing voices in the closet. If you want to be more intrusive than that, you could force shrinks to alert the system when they’ve seen someone whom they consider disjointed from reality. (Alexis had sought treatment for his problems, remember, so some sort of professional knew he was having trouble.) Even in Alexis’s case, though, it’s unclear whether there were any signs that he was dangerous; people who hear voices don’t typically shoot up military bases. And why anyone would support a legal regime like the one I’ve described is a mystery to me given how much the public’s already worried about government snooping on them via the NSA. But if you’re serious about stopping violent nuts before they go off, that appears to be the most obvious “solution” — ratchet up the reporting requirements for state actors who come in contact with disturbed people and treat them all as potential threats. And then hope against hope, as public awareness about the new system increases, that this doesn’t have the terrible side effect of discouraging mentally ill people from seeking help for their problems for fear that the “helper” will rat them out to a government database somewhere.

Meanwhile, the White House announced this afternoon that Obama’s ordered a review of security clearances at all federal installations.

Update: Turns out we already do, sort of, having the type of legal regime I mentioned above. And it didn’t stop Alexis:

A Newport, Rhode Island police sergeant reported Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis to naval station police last month after the suspect told cops he was “hearing voices” through his hotel room wall and that three people were following him and sending vibrations into his body, according to a police report obtained by FoxNews.com…

The sergeant wrote in the report that based on what Alexis told him, “I made contact with on-duty Naval Station Police [officer name redacted.]”

The Naval Station Police official told the sergeant “they would follow up on this subject” and determine if Alexis was, in fact, a naval base contractor.

No comment yet from naval police on what they did or didn’t do with the information.


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But, but, but, Dianne Feinstein, Dick Durbin, and Piers Morgan told be yesterday/today that, if only we had passed universal background checks, this wouldn’t have happened!

What happened? /

Resist We Much on September 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Report: Navy Yard shooter passed federal, state background checks when buying shotgun

Therefore we need … moar background checks!!!11!!!
/Low Info Gun-grabber

Ace ODale on September 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Meanwhile, the White House announced this afternoon that Obama’s ordered a review of security clearances at all federal installations.

How about a review of security clearances for all Federal employees and employees of contractors working for the government?

Hassan.

Manning.

Snowden.

Alexis.

How many more people must die and how much more national security information be released before this administration does something about its abysmal vetting standards/process?

Vetting Reform, NOW!!!

Resist We Much on September 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Uh oh. Looks like he was an Obama supporter. Time to bury the lede!

stvnscott on September 17, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Meanwhile, the White House announced this afternoon that Obama’s ordered a review of security clearances at all federal installations.

Wow, finally. Thank obama we have adults in charge.

HumpBot Salvation on September 17, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Background checks don’t prevent crime.

Universal Background Checks® prevent crime.

EA_MAN on September 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Vetting Reform, NOW!!!

Resist We Much on September 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Ever wonder why this stuff doesn’t happen in Israel?

I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact that about 98% of Israelis pack heat…..every where they go. So, if you’re a bad guy in Tel Aviv, you’re outgunned the moment you get out of bed.

BobMbx on September 17, 2013 at 5:32 PM

people who hear voices don’t typically shoot up military bases.

But, they DO shoot up shopping malls, schools, and movie theatres.

Many of the mass and spree killers in the last couple of decades were paranoid schizophrenics, who were hearing voices or otherwise hallucinating.

Resist We Much on September 17, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Meanwhile, the White House announced this afternoon that Obama’s ordered a review of security clearances at all federal installations.

If they ban communists, it will really cut down on Obama speaches at these installations.

Freddy on September 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Obama’s ordered a review of security clearances at all federal installations.

White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters.

“This is a matter that the president believes and has believed merits review.”

Well, if this is true, why hasn’t Obama done something about this sooner, Carney?

Barred on September 17, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Vetting Reform, NOW!!!

Resist We Much on September 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM

But, who then vets the vetters?

Ouroboros writ large on an atomic powered scale.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on September 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Many of the mass and spree killers in the last couple of decades were paranoid schizophrenics, who were hearing voices or otherwise hallucinating.

Resist We Much on September 17, 2013 at 5:34 PM

My wife has been complaining lately that I don’t seem to be hearing HER voice….
What does that say about me?
;)

dentarthurdent on September 17, 2013 at 5:41 PM

If they ban communists, it will really cut down on Obama speaches at these installations.

Freddy on September 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM

I wonder if he’ll stop giving speeches with a bunch of soldiers forced to line up behind him….

dentarthurdent on September 17, 2013 at 5:42 PM

you could force shrinks to alert the system when they’ve seen someone whom they consider disjointed from reality.

The Aurora, Colorado’s psychiatrist did go to the police warning that he was a danger. They did nothing.

rbj on September 17, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Fortunately the types of questions need to ferret out a persons mental state can be easily included into the questions your doctor is now supposed to ask you under O’care, entered into your digital medical record and forwarded to everybody that needs to know. No fuss, no muss.

JohnnyL on September 17, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Looks like he was never held accountable, by the Navy or anyone else, and that’s the reason nothing shows up on his record.

TarheelBen on September 17, 2013 at 5:50 PM

But, who then vets the vetters?

Ouroboros writ large on an atomic powered scale.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on September 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM

I guess the vetters should be subjected to the same vetting process that is conducted for the most sensitive national security clearance. FBI, Defence, CIA, etc. Something must be done because, quite obviously, threats with red flags, bells, whistles, and lights flashing ‘STOP!’ are getting through.

Just a few days ago, the news broke that 20% of all applicants for positions with the CIA have ties to al-Qaeda and/or other terrorist organisations. If they are catching that many with the current state of Federal background checks, just imagine how many are getting through at the CIA, military, or other agencies?

Resist We Much on September 17, 2013 at 5:51 PM

The Aurora, Colorado’s psychiatrist did go to the police warning that he was a danger. They did nothing.

rbj on September 17, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Exactly.
Similar situation to a Fort Carson soldier and his pregnant wife who were shot and killed when they got home and surprised an armed burglar in their house. Their home burglar alarm system did in fact go off when the burglar broke in, and the police were called – and they ignored it because they get so many false alarms.

dentarthurdent on September 17, 2013 at 5:52 PM

My wife has been complaining lately that I don’t seem to be hearing HER voice….
What does that say about me?
;)

dentarthurdent on September 17, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Assuming that you have a wife, it sounds like Classic Husband Syndrome or situational deafness.

Now, if you actually don’t have a wife and you are not hearing her complain, YOU’RE GOLDEN!!!

Resist We Much on September 17, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Is there any focus on how he actually toted the gun onto the base? Vetting aside, this was a gun free zone, dammit.

TexasDan on September 17, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Slightly off topic, but something is not passing the smell test. This guy allegedly shot 12 people while being chased by guards and came under fire two separate times. Where did all those bullets end up?

DDay on September 17, 2013 at 5:57 PM

And then hope against hope, as public awareness about the new system increases, that this doesn’t have the terrible side effect of discouraging mentally ill people from seeking help for their problems for fear that the “helper” will rat them out to a government database somewhere.

Of course it would have that side effect, and not just with THIS guy. Many, many other people who never would have hurt anyone might avoid treatment since they can’t trust their treater wont stab them in the back, and absent treatment, they might hurt or kill people when they otherwise wouldn’t have.

:p

kaltes on September 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

“Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun.”

Lanceman on September 17, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Assuming that you have a wife, it sounds like Classic Husband Syndrome or situational deafness.

Now, if you actually don’t have a wife and you are not hearing her complain, YOU’RE GOLDEN!!!

Resist We Much on September 17, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Well, now there’s a thought.
She might not actually exist at all….
So I’m not hearing non-existent voices…..

But then that would mean I’ve created, in my mind, a whole invisible (and/or inaudible) family, which should probably be a bit troubling…..

But then if we’re really all just in the Matrix, none of it is real anyway…..

dentarthurdent on September 17, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Hmmmm..

FRIEND: Navy Yard Shooter Liberal, Supported Obama
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/17/Navy-Yard-Shooter-friend-Describes%20Alexis-as-liberal-Obama-fan

Galt2009 on September 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM

First the AR-15 exploit blows up in their faces.

Now the background check obsession is exposed as futile?

And the gun grabbers thought they were going to get a big boost from exploiting this tragedy. I’m guessing they are in major league denial about how quickly this situation turned around and bit them on the a$$.

novaculus on September 17, 2013 at 6:03 PM

The land is full of PC and PC fools.

It’s what caused this and will cause way more of it.

Wake up turkeys, or all will die from it.

Schadenfreude on September 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM

who were hearing voices or otherwise hallucinating.

Resist We Much on September 17, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Listen. I’ve been watching 75 hours’ worth of Prisoner. You damned right I’m hearin’ voices. They’re all Aussie and they speak of screws, crims and drongos.

Lanceman on September 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Listen. I’ve been watching 75 hours’ worth of Prisoner. You damned right I’m hearin’ voices. They’re all Aussie and they speak of screws, crims and drongos.

Lanceman on September 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM

lolz

Resist We Much on September 17, 2013 at 6:10 PM

I wrote and asked the question elsewhere, but will post it here.

Another thing ‘FBI Washington field office’ also needs to clarify in the days to come is this -

Exactly how many were shot and killed by the shotgun, and how many were killed by the pistols.

btw, shouldn’t that give us the public even more ‘incentives’ to possess an AR-15, rather than a pistol, when facing a shotgun wielding lunatic?

Sir Napsalot on September 17, 2013 at 6:11 PM

I think your first hint is TWO events involving the illegal discharge of a firearm, with attendant anger management issues.

Let’s face it, someone dropped the ball in Seattle and Texas. Yeah, maybe the woman didn’t want to press charges in Texas; but what IF that “Hey! They dissed me!” incident from Seattle had been on the books? Would she have been given a choice?

Then throw in the mental health issues.

But no one wants to go there. It’s like plane ‘accident’. You go back and it’s not ONE issue, it’s a STRING OF ISSUES that pile one on top of the other.

So more mass shootings by those with “issues” will continue. We’re such a kinder, gentler nation today.

GarandFan on September 17, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Slightly off topic, but something is not passing the smell test. This guy allegedly shot 12 people while being chased by guards and came under fire two separate times. Where did all those bullets end up?

Well in New York recently (Time Square) to be exact, two cops shot at an unarmed suspect. They missed. And hit two women standing nearby.

GarandFan on September 17, 2013 at 6:18 PM

The pass given because of “Affirmative action” was the main problem at both Fort Hood and the Washington Navy Yard.

VorDaj on September 17, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Another day, another Obama administration fail. Anyone else notice the blood trail left behind by this mans incompetence?

jawkneemusic on September 17, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Report: Navy Yard shooter passed federal, state background checks when buying shotgun

AP I have to tell you this is very misleading. I’ve had four BG checks in the last two years and had a military clearance. A lot of misinformation about this is going around.

The agencies that perform the checks DO NOT PASS OR FAIL ANYONE.

They produce a report for the requesting entity (report consumer). The requesting entity decides whether the content of the report conforms to their policy.

Someone decided to ignore all the negative information in the shooter’s report and gave him the job anyway.

dogsoldier on September 17, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Someone decided to ignore all the negative information in the shooter’s report and gave him the job anyway.

dogsoldier on September 17, 2013 at 6:25 PM

I wonder what was actually in the report – since he was never formally tried and convicted for any of what he did.
I think that’s the major question, and potential indictment of the whole background check issue.

dentarthurdent on September 17, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Another day, another Obama administration fail. Anyone else notice the blood trail left behind by this mans incompetence?

jawkneemusic on September 17, 2013 at 6:24 PM

I don’t blame Obama for this.

As I posted on the other thread, if some jackass drives his yugo into a crowd and kills twenty people do we blame the car, even if it’s a piece of crap? Why no, we do not.

If someone jumps off a bridge, do we blame the bridge?

Id someone eats like a pig becomes morbidly obese and dies of coronary disease, do we blame their assault fork?

Time to allow members of the military to carry.

dogsoldier on September 17, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Someone decided to ignore all the negative information in the shooter’s report and gave him the job anyway.

dogsoldier on September 17, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Got to keep those “affirmative action” numbers looking good.

VorDaj on September 17, 2013 at 6:33 PM

I think that’s the major question, and potential indictment of the whole background check issue.

dentarthurdent on September 17, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Usually every arrest for the last seven years, unless it’s a national agency check, in which case the FBI has every arrest. The information about this guy is readily available or we would not have learned about it. It’s likely in the report.

dogsoldier on September 17, 2013 at 6:35 PM

A Newport, Rhode Island police sergeant reported Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis to naval station police last month after the suspect told cops he was “hearing voices” through his hotel room wall and that three people were following him and sending vibrations into his body, according to a police report obtained by FoxNews.com…

The sergeant wrote in the report that based on what Alexis told him, “I made contact with on-duty Naval Station Police [officer name redacted.]”

That Newport police sergeant is in the wrong here not the Navy. Why would the Navy care about the delusions of a contractor? Different story if he was a member of the military. Rhode Island should have done something about this guy.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Got to keep those “affirmative action” numbers looking good.

VorDaj on September 17, 2013 at 6:33 PM

That is likely the case here. Also it was reported that he was angry about not getting promoted and claimed it was due to the color of his skin.

Was this attack racially motivated?

dogsoldier on September 17, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Rhode Island should have done something about this guy.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Yeah he needed 24 hours of observation at least…

dogsoldier on September 17, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Got to keep those “affirmative action” numbers looking good.

VorDaj on September 17, 2013 at 6:33 PM

In a nutshell, I’m willing to bet that the shooter benefitted from affirmative action more than a few times. Hard to see where a white sailor would be able to get into eight instances of misconduct before being pushed out of the military.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Time to allow members of the military to carry.

dogsoldier on September 17, 2013 at 6:31 PM

That’s the real logical conclusion from this.
But one that the libtards will never accept.

I would expand that to anyone with a valid CCW/CHP/CCP, but as a contractor, I personally would just like to be able to have my CCW in my car for the commute, and I’d be ok with leaving it in the car while I’m at work. But then I also work in a facility that would be very difficult for anyone like Alexis to get into with an illegal weapon of any kind – more so than that Navy Yard.
And I’d be OK with military people, besides the SPs, being able to carry where I work.

dentarthurdent on September 17, 2013 at 6:40 PM

The Naval Station Police official told the sergeant “they would follow up on this subject” and determine if Alexis was, in fact, a naval base contractor.

Good luck getting your healthcare from this incompetent government.

The government raids and harasses innocent citizens, yet won’t follow up on leads of potential dangerous people. Wean yourself off the government. As citizens in New York, New Jersey, Colorado and Texas can attest. When the shit hit’s the fan, don’t ask the government for help.

redguy on September 17, 2013 at 6:47 PM

I suspect that Russian Intelligence was also aware that he was a nutcase.

slickwillie2001 on September 17, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Clinton-era gun law responsible for mass carnage at US Naval Yard –

See more at: http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/clinton-era-gun-law-responsible-mass-carnage-us-naval-yard/#.UjjcLaWO7hU

In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones. Because of Mr. Clinton, terrorists would face more return fire if they attacked a Texas Wal-Mart than the gunman faced at Fort Hood, home of the heavily armed and feared 1st Cavalry Division. That’s why a civilian policewoman from off base was the one whose marksmanship ended Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan’s rampage.

We’ve seen time and time again the consequences of gun control, and of disarming the military. From Fort Hood to the Washington Naval Yard, we have seen enough killings to know what happens when people are forced to depend on the government to protect their lives. The Clinton-era ban on members of the military being able to carry should be repealed immediately.

redguy on September 17, 2013 at 6:49 PM

The government raids and harasses innocent citizens, yet won’t follow up on leads of potential dangerous people. Wean yourself off the government. As citizens in New York, New Jersey, Colorado and Texas can attest. When the shit hit’s the fan, don’t ask the government for help.

redguy on September 17, 2013 at 6:47 PM

In terms of healthcare the Navy can’t do anything for contractors with mental problems that is his problem, that of his employer, and (in this case) mental health services of Newport. Why wasn’t he taken in for observation by the Newport Police after he was “hearing voices” through his hotel room wall and that three people were following him and sending vibrations into his body. Would they have called the Navy police if resident had called 911 and told authorities about voices and vibrations?

Face it. This Newport policeman was a lazy bad cop who pawned off his responsibilities by making a phone call to the Navy even though they had no ability to do anything except ban him from the base if they thought he posed a danger to others. It is the cop that should have done something since he clearly posed a danger to himself.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2013 at 6:54 PM

The Naval Station Police official told the sergeant “they would follow up on this subject” and determine if Alexis was, in fact, a naval base contractor.

I have it on good authority that he was there. Signed in to visitor logs and such.

Apparently the DOD police didn’t follow up.

Jeff Weimer on September 17, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM

You would be surprised. These things are handled generally on a case-by-case basis in the service for personnel of his paygrade.

Jeff Weimer on September 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Meanwhile, the White House announced this afternoon that Obama’s ordered a review of security clearances at all federal installations.

That’s rich! I doubt the dog eater himself could pass a top secret security clearance check.

Based on his childhood upbringing, the time spent in Reverend “G*d D*&m America” Wright’s church, his Chicago neighbors, and Chooming in Hawaii…..I doubt he would be cleared.

Ditkaca on September 17, 2013 at 7:07 PM

I have it on good authority that he was there. Signed in to visitor logs and such.

Apparently the DOD police didn’t follow up.

Jeff Weimer on September 17, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Seriously, what would you have the DoD police do? If the Newport police had taken him in for observation, they could have used that to express concern to the contractor. But with just a phone call with only a verbal that the individual on the other end is a cop? How could the DoD have done anything without cause or violating civil rights?

So, yeah, he signed the visitor logs. Turns out he did that at my workplace too.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Based on his childhood upbringing, the time spent in Reverend “G*d D*&m America” Wright’s church, his Chicago neighbors, and Chooming in Hawaii…..I doubt he would be cleared.

Ditkaca on September 17, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Oh! I bet he would. You don’t deny a security clearance based on childhood upbringing or neighbors. Only person I know that ever got rejected was somebody who lived in the same apartment complex as one of the WTC bombers.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2013 at 7:14 PM

No comment yet from naval police on what they did or didn’t do with the information.

Let me guess. They sequestered it.

Dusty on September 17, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Let me guess. They sequestered it.

Dusty on September 17, 2013 at 7:17 PM

My guess is that Naval Station police officer Redacted didn’t even make a log entry. On a phone call? It could have as easily been the boyfriend of the contractor’s ex-wife making problems ahead of a custody hearing.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2013 at 7:24 PM

This is Bill Clinton’s fault. He’s the one that ordered military bases effectively be ‘gun free zones’. That was in 1993, shortly before he signed the assault weapons ban. The assault weapons ban, fortunately, had a sunset clause; unfortunately the presidential policy did not and, for the second time now, people were needlessly left to be defenseless victims at military installations.

How stupid is the policy? This stupid.

Dusty on September 17, 2013 at 7:28 PM

It would appear that, like the VA Tech shooter, that law enforcement decided not to pursue charges against this man. So how are background checks for guns, or security, based on real facts when they decide to let these things slide?

Cindy Munford on September 17, 2013 at 7:29 PM

If the government had been half as suspicious of someone who shot up a car and heard voices as they are of someone who forms a “Tea Party” organization….

Socratease on September 17, 2013 at 7:31 PM

I don’t blame Obama for this.
As I posted on the other thread, if some jackass drives his yugo into a crowd and kills twenty people do we blame the car, even if it’s a piece of crap? Why no, we do not.
If someone jumps off a bridge, do we blame the bridge?
Id someone eats like a pig becomes morbidly obese and dies of coronary disease, do we blame their assault fork?
Time to allow members of the military to carry.
dogsoldier on September 17, 2013 at 6:31 PM

I agree with all of your point except about Obama’s culpability. He’s the C n’ C. The level of incompetents at every corner in this administration is mind blowing and that culture no doubt contributes to the mentality that resulted in getting these people killed.

jawkneemusic on September 17, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Our official culture now dictates that any “judgment” on this man prior to his attacks would have been discrimination. Everyone is innocent. Everything is good.

It happens over and over, and nobody, especially the president, will say we need reform of treatment of mentally ill people. As a friend of mine and I say (both of us having mentally ill relatives who refuse to go in the hospital): “Thanks, ACLU. There goes another MI person enjoying his freedom.”

PattyJ on September 17, 2013 at 7:42 PM

My guess is that Naval Station police officer Redacted didn’t even make a log entry. On a phone call? It could have as easily been the boyfriend of the contractor’s ex-wife making problems ahead of a custody hearing.

[Happy Nomad on September 17, 2013 at 7:24 PM]

Are you making excuses Naval Station staff or are you suggesting from experience that that type of “follow up” is SOP in the military?

Dusty on September 17, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Are you making excuses for Naval Station staff

[Dusty on September 17, 2013 at 7:46 PM]

fixed.

Dusty on September 17, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Are you making excuses for Naval Station staff or are you suggesting from experience that that type of “follow up” is SOP in the military?

Dusty on September 17, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Neither. I’m saying there was nothing to follow up on. No police incident report. The Newport Police didn’t see enough of a threat to do anything but make a phone call.

The DoD police are supposed to go up to a contractor’s employer and say what exactly? One of your guys might be a loon- based on a phone call purportedly coming from the Newport Police (where is the proof of that?). That’s a good way to get sued for defamation.

If the individual had been a member of the military it would be a different story. If the DoD police got called by the contractor’s job site with concerns about a guy talking about voices in his head, it would have been different. If there had been an incident report or a specific quantifiable threat it would have been different

A civilian who happens to be employed by a Navy contractor acting strangely off base really doesn’t fall under the jurisdiction of the DoD police. The better question is what exactly is the Newport PD’s SOP that they would do nothing with a clearly delusional individual but make a phone call to the local Navy base. They are damned lucky that the shooter didn’t decide to take out the local school or something.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Neither. I’m saying there was nothing to follow up on. No police incident report. The Newport Police didn’t see enough of a threat to do anything but make a phone call.

[Happy Nomad on September 17, 2013 at 7:59 PM]

The sergeant wrote in the report that based on what Alexis told him, “I made contact with on-duty Naval Station Police [officer name redacted.]”

What part of “The sergeant wrote in the report” leads you to believe there was no police incident report? The Naval Station officer said he would “follow up on the subject”. What part of “follow up” means do nothing and ignore it. Again, is that SOP in the military? What was the subject? It seems to me the subject was “a crazy guy employed by the WNY wants military housing.”

As for the Newport Police not supposedly not seeing a threat, they did make the call, and they don’t employ a crazy guy. What’s the WNY’s excuse for not seeing a threat in employing a crazy guy?

But you go ahead and keep up the good work with your excuse making.

Dusty on September 17, 2013 at 9:35 PM

If the government had been half as suspicious of someone who shot up a car and heard voices as they are of someone who forms a “Tea Party” organization….

Socratease on September 17, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Indeed.

AesopFan on September 17, 2013 at 11:16 PM

As for the Newport Police not supposedly not seeing a threat, they did make the call, and they don’t employ a crazy guy. What’s the WNY’s excuse for not seeing a threat in employing a crazy guy?

But you go ahead and keep up the good work with your excuse making.

Dusty on September 17, 2013 at 9:35 PM

The WNY didn’t employ the shooter, genius. A subsidiary of HP did. I don’t know what your beef is here but you are making incredibly stupid comments in an attempt to put the blame on the Navy.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2013 at 11:30 PM

The WNY didn’t employ the shooter, genius. A subsidiary of HP did. I don’t know what your beef is here but you are making incredibly stupid comments in an attempt to put the blame on the Navy.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2013 at 11:30 PM

But the Navy is to blame as the Army was for Hasan and Fort Hood. From what has been reported anyway, Alexis had a pass/card to get into the Washington Navy Yard and they didn’t even suspend it and he was a contract employee of theirs as Snowden was of the NSA. They can not just say “Well he wasn’t a direct employee of ours, so it’s not our responsibility even though he’s coming into our Washington Navy Yard”. If you had been in charge of security at the Washington Navy Yard would you have just ignored all this? The head Admiral at the WNY is ultimately responsible and I doubt very much he would have said, “Just ignore all this, it’s not my/our responsibility”. Well unless Hillary is now that Admiral.

VorDaj on September 18, 2013 at 12:16 AM

Politically correct terror strikes again.

Can’t criticize the poor guy because he’s a coddled subset.

profitsbeard on September 18, 2013 at 2:50 AM

and that culture no doubt contributes to the mentality that resulted in getting these people killed.

jawkneemusic on September 17, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Yes, this is probably true. Two other factors seem to have played a major role in motivating him. He was a racist, claiming he had been denied promotion due to his skin color, and he was insane.

All the Law Enforcement folks who had contact with him and nobody called for a psych eval.

dogsoldier on September 18, 2013 at 5:34 AM

What the heck was he doing in RI. For someone who complained about not making what he’s worth, he seems to have enough dough to take a lot of trips. He worked at a Thai restaurant and could afford a vacay in Thailand? Something about that whole convert to Buddhism doesn’t add up. He was treated with PC AA affection every time he got into trouble with his guns, even by the Navy on his discharge. The fact that he sounded mentally ill is a whole other ball of wax.

Kissmygrits on September 18, 2013 at 8:59 AM