Navy Yard killer identified?

posted at 4:01 pm on September 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

I’m going to trust Pete Williams on this, partly because he was the most reliable reporter during the Boston bombings and partly because other outlets like Fox News are confident enough that they’re reporting the same name.

SWAT officers swarmed the building, the headquarters of the Naval Sea Systems Command, and a shooter there was killed, sources told NBC News. Law enforcement officials identified the gunman to NBC News as Aaron Alexis, 34, originally of Fort Worth, Texas. They said he recently began working as a civilian contractor.

Chief Cathy Lanier said at mid-afternoon that as many as two other suspects could be at large, both seen with firearms and wearing military-style uniforms. Minutes later, police said on Twitter that one of the two had been identified and was not a suspect or person of interest…

Terrie Durham, who works at the Naval Sea Systems Command building, said she saw a gunman who appeared to be wearing dark fatigues.

Cops think Alexis used the ID of someone who used to work at the Navy Yard to gain access. How he got that ID is unclear. Maybe that’s where the Rollie Chance reports came from. We’ll see. Per NBC Washington, though, cops increasingly believe that Alexis was the only shooter because the paths taken through the building by the two other suspected gunmen didn’t leave carnage in their wake. One of the other possible shooters was ID’d as a white man in a tan outfit, but he’s now been eliminated as a suspect. I assume he was probably just an MP with his gun out whom someone saw from a distance and couldn’t tell if he was friend or foe.

Another interesting detail from NBC Washington, which is sadly relevant to the new national conversation on guns we’ll soon be having at the Democrats’ and the media’s urging:

Video also shows the gunman entered with a shotgun, News4′s Jackie Bensen reported. He shot the security guard and continued through the building, but according to what witnesses are telling investigators, by the time the shootings ended, the gunman was seen with a semiautomatic 9 mm pistol and an AR-15 assault rifle.

Authorities are investigating whether the gunman took the security guard’s service weapon – likely a 9 mm pistol – and hid in wait for the first responding D.C. police officers, who would be specially armed with AR-15s, then opened fire and shot one of the D.C. police officers in the legs. It’s unclear if the other officers assisting the wounded officer also were able to retrieve his AR-15.

The death toll right now is 11, plus Alexis. People have been e-mailing us a link to a Texas website with a mugshot of a guy named Aaron Alexis from 2010, but after knocking CBS and NBC for identifying the wrong man earlier, I’ll hold off on posting that for now. Look for an update here in case it’s confirmed. As of 4 p.m. ET, there still appears to be no firm clues about his motive.

Update: That was fast. Via Mediaite, NBC Washington says the Aaron Alexis arrested in 2010 — but ultimately not charged — for discharging a weapon is the same guy who went berserk at the Navy Yard.

Update: The FBI is seeking information about Alexis.


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TA DA,……………….it didn’t take long:

Shooting at Washington Navy Yard, Sept. 16, 2013

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., urges tougher gun laws in wake of Navy Yard attack – @washingtonpost

37 secs ago from http://www.washingtonpost.com by editor

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 6:38 PM

I got a marksman medal once. I got 62 out of 60 rounds on target. My neighbor didn’t do so well.

davidk on September 16, 2013 at 6:30 PM

LOL.
I saw a lot of those in basic training. Anyone on the range next to someone, or better yet between 2 people, who had never fired a gun typically got expert marksman with scores like 130 out of 100.
This was Air Force qualifying – M16 at 50 or 100 yards (I don’t remember, 34 years ago), 10 mags of 10 rounds, each in a different shooting position. I wasn’t so lucky – I only got 87 out of 100 – I just could NOT shoot an M16 left handed.
Well dang – maybe one of the guys next to me qualified expert with my 13 misses….

dentarthurdent on September 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM

davidk on September 16, 2013 at 6:26 PM

David Frum should be sent back to Canada but I don’t think they’d have him.

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Obama administration weighs visa for alleged war criminal

Guess with whose relative he shares a close relationship?

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Hey, RWM, what do you have against an alleged war criminal who has a close relationship with the relative of a particular prezzy?

Sounds racist to me.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 6:41 PM

davidk on September 16, 2013 at 6:30 PM

That must have been me. I helped my neighbor in AF basic training qualify.

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Obama waives ban on arming terrorists to allow aid to Syrian opposition

He wants to arm these people:

Let’s Catch Up With Those ‘Moderate’ Syrian Rebels That Obama, Kerry & McCain Are Still Trumpeting!

‘Moderate’ Syrian Rebel Commander: Christians Will Live As ‘Dhimmis’ In Future Islamic State of Syria

Here’s the treasonous thing:

If these terrorists were fighting in Afghanistan, they would be our enemies. All terrorists have to do is go to Syria and – Voila! – they can get American weapons c/o the POTUS.

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Officers took someone down outside the gate. 2 gunshots heard.

kingsjester on September 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM

FEINSTEIN Statement:

6:27 pm
Ed O’Keefe
Feinstein: Congress needs to pass tougher gun laws

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), a leading advocate for stricter federal gun laws, is calling once again on Congress to take up the issue after the shooting Monday at the Washington Navy Yard.

Here’s her full statement:

“I mourn those killed today at the Navy Yard in Washington and send my thoughts and prayers to those families grieving the loss of loved ones.

“There are reports the killer was armed with an AR-15, a shotgun and a semiautomatic pistol when he stormed an American military installation in the nation’s capital and took at least 12 innocent lives.

“This is one more event to add to the litany of massacres that occur when a deranged person or grievance killer is able to obtain multiple weapons—including a military-style assault rifle—and kill many people in a short amount of time.

“When will enough be enough?

“Congress must stop shirking its responsibility and resume a thoughtful debate on gun violence in this country. We must do more to stop this endless loss of life.”

Feinstein is no stranger to gun violence. In 1978 as a member of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, she was elevated to mayor after the assassinations of then-Mayor George Moscone and fellow supervisor, Harvey Milk.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/liveblog/wp/2013/09/16/shooting-at-washington-navy-yard/#liveblog-entry-17893

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM

This is getting stranger.

kingsjester on September 16, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Pretty strange to me how no one in the media seems the least bit curious about the Ft. Hood connection.

Imagine for a moment if both shooters had worked at the 700 club or were activist members of the NRA.

“But a Ft. Hood connection? Where’s Ft. Hood? Never even heard of a gunman going nuts on an military base before.”

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 6:44 PM

If you looked at the FBI poster you would know that this man was not from Texas – He was born in Queens, NY. Also, laying the groundwork for the librul lies that will come later, the “news” media originally said he used an automatic rifle, then an AR-15 Assault rifle. Neither are true, but I think the libruls, in their infinite wisdom, think that the AR in AR-15 stands for “automatic Rifle.” not Armalite (although everybody makes them now.) However they are still one trigger pull, one bullet fired. Watch the libruls and politicians demogog their ignorance to the world, coming up on your national broadcast news.

Old Country Boy on September 16, 2013 at 6:02 PM

“A U.S. Navy spokesman said that Alexis was an ‘aviation electrician’s mate’ – ranked as a third class petty officer and served at the Naval Air Station in Fort Worth, Texas.

He is reported to have enlisted in New York and the Brooklyn native graduated from boot camp at Great Lakes, Illinois as an Airman Recruit.

Throughout the late 1990s to 2002, he was listed as living in Manhattan and Queens in New York City – and he still maintains his New York social security number and is registered as a voter in New York City…”

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2421980/REVEALED-Gunman-34-murdered-TWELVE-injured-15-Washington-Navy-Yard-rampage-decorated-petty-officer-left-military-2011-previous-gun-charge.html#ixzz2f69iEVBA
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Governor of Texas, Rick Perry is scheduled to do his conservative economics works tour in Maryland this week….so Political

workingclass artist on September 16, 2013 at 6:44 PM

I couldn’t gotten marksman if I had used a shotgun. I’m pretty accurate with one of those.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 6:36 PM

That why I carry a Judge.

davidk on September 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 6:44 PM

There has to be a reason this guy did what he did.

kingsjester on September 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Photo: Police outside the White House tackle a man after two firecracker sounds – @_racheljackson

davidk on September 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Hey, RWM, what do you have against an alleged war criminal who has a close relationship with the relative of a particular prezzy?

Sounds racist to me.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 6:41 PM

:-)

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM

9/11 Helper,ya don’t say:

Shooting at Washington Navy Yard, Sept. 16, 2013

Father of Navy Yard suspect told Seattle police in 2004 that his son had been a participant in rescue work on Sept 11, 2001 – @SeattlePD

17 secs ago from spdblotter.seattle.gov by editor
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http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2013/09/16/suspect-in-navy-yard-attack-previously-arrested-in-seattle-for-anger-fueled-shooting/

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 6:47 PM

If these terrorists were fighting in Afghanistan, they would be our enemies. All terrorists have to do is go to Syria and – Voila! – they can get American weapons c/o the POTUS.

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 6:42 PM

And we know they will never go back to Afghanistan with the weapons we give them. Because.. they’re nice terrorists? That’s why they’re in Syria. Cuz they’re nice.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Secret Service: A man threw firecrackers over the White House fence – @ReutersZengerle

1 min ago from twitter.com/ReutersZengerle by editor

Photo: Police outside the White House tackle a man after two firecracker sounds – @_racheljackson

3 mins ago from twitter.com/_racheljackson by editor

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 6:49 PM

“There are reports the killer was armed with an AR-15, a shotgun and a semiautomatic pistol when he stormed an American military installation in the nation’s capital and took at least 12 innocent lives.’

- DIFI

Di, maybe, you should be focused more on these questions right now:

1) How did an armed man gain access to one of the nation’s ‘most secured facilities’?

2) If the Navy Yard is ‘one of the nation’s most secured facilities,’ what does that tell you about our nation’s security?

3) What does it say about the Obama administration’s vetting standards that Major Hassan, Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden, and Aaron Alexis all passed and were able to wreak havoc on this president’s watch?

4) If DC, with its draconian guns laws, could not have stopped him, why do you think more laws would stop a law-breaking shooter?

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM

This was Air Force qualifying – M16 at 50 or 100 yards (I don’t remember, 34 years ago), 10 mags of 10 rounds, each in a different shooting position. I wasn’t so lucky – I only got 87 out of 100 – I just could NOT shoot an M16 left handed.
Well dang – maybe one of the guys next to me qualified expert with my 13 misses….

dentarthurdent on September 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM

I thought for a moment you were the one who helped me qualify expert but I did a quick calculation and I was there 33 years ago. I always remember my TI, Sgt. Dubois….cute little thing but hard as nails

Ditkaca on September 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM

If DC, with its draconian guns laws, could not have stopped him, why do you think more laws would stop a law-breaking shooter?

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM

typical leftist/progressive: “we just haven’t tried hard enough. You gotta believe that the next law will finally work.”

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 6:52 PM

9/11 Helper,ya don’t say:

Shooting at Washington Navy Yard, Sept. 16, 2013

Father of Navy Yard suspect told Seattle police in 2004 that his son had been a participant in rescue work on Sept 11, 2001 – @SeattlePD

17 secs ago from spdblotter.seattle.gov by editor
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http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2013/09/16/suspect-in-navy-yard-attack-previously-arrested-in-seattle-for-anger-fueled-shooting/

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Stuff like this to me is meaningless. It’s like trying to find out what kind of person he is by the pop he drank. Was it Coke or Pepsi? Oooo.. he drank diet. what could that mean? Ooo.. he drove a red car. What could that mean. Ooo.. he wore skinny jeans. What could that mean? He was stationed at Ft. Hood during the same time as that other shooter? Totally meaningless… unless we can find out what kind of breakfast cereal he ate while there. Then that could mean something.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Alexis also claimed he had an anger-fueled “blackout,” and could not remember firing his gun at the victims’ vehicle until an hour after the incident.

WTFF? Who even believes this sort of BS? An “anger-fueled blackout” … Uh .. okey doke. The guy should have gotten a long jail sentence right then and there. But, instead, he sailed right through with such a transparent and stupid lie. Pathetic.

And, even worse, if it were true (which it obviously wasn’t) that would mean that such an individual could never be allowed to roam free in a civilized society.

No matter how you cut it, this guy should have been sitting in jail.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 16, 2013 at 6:54 PM

If these terrorists were fighting in Afghanistan, they would be our enemies. All terrorists have to do is go to Syria and – Voila! – they can get American weapons c/o the POTUS.

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 6:42 PM

But are they getting AR-15 assault rifles?

dogsoldier on September 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Has Zero watched “Olympus has fallen?”

dogsoldier on September 16, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Stuff like this to me is meaningless. It’s like trying to find out what kind of person he is by the pop he drank. Was it Coke or Pepsi? Oooo.. he drank diet. what could that mean? Ooo.. he drove a red car. What could that mean. Ooo.. he wore skinny jeans. What could that mean? He was stationed at Ft. Hood during the same time as that other shooter? Totally meaningless… unless we can find out what kind of breakfast cereal he ate while there. Then that could mean something.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Maybe he was cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

(Sorry, couldn’t resist your set-up.)

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Di, maybe, you should be focused more on these questions right now:

1) How did an armed man gain access to one of the nation’s ‘most secured facilities’?

2) If the Navy Yard is ‘one of the nation’s most secured facilities,’ what does that tell you about our nation’s security?

3) What does it say about the Obama administration’s vetting standards that Major Hassan, Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden, and Aaron Alexis all passed and were able to wreak havoc on this president’s watch?

4) If DC, with its draconian guns laws, could not have stopped him, why do you think more laws would stop a law-breaking shooter?

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM

You’re thinking. But you’re not thinking like a Senator. It was all the gun’s fault. The Ar-15 called his name and forced itself into his hands and got him through the gate and made him kill those innocent people. if not for that gun.. he’d still be back waiting on tables.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM

4) If DC, with its draconian guns laws, could not have stopped him, why do you think more laws would stop a law-breaking shooter?

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Where was the NSA?

dogsoldier on September 16, 2013 at 6:59 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 16, 2013 at 6:54 PM

I actually saw this defense used way back in 1971 in front of a Justice of the Peace (Biloxi, Mississippi) after a local attacked several Air Force enlisted over a 4 hour period. My friend and I were the first. He hit my friend in the neck and then tried to do the same to me. I covered and then went after him. He ran like h*ll to get away and then a few hours later attacked some more. Lawyer at the hearing said he was in a drunken rage. Fortunately he didn’t get away with that defense.

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Malfeasance is hostile, aggressive action taken to injure the client’s interests.

I don’t know – the mass media seems like a full service provider.

David Blue on September 16, 2013 at 6:35 PM

It is malfeasance. Nice to speak with you on this fine blog… MALFEASANCE

/Heh

Key West Reader on September 16, 2013 at 7:01 PM

unless we can find out what kind of breakfast cereal he ate while there. Then that could mean something.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Maybe he was cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

(Sorry, couldn’t resist your set-up.)

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Please pass me some EPA approved windex and paper towels. Thank you :)

Key West Reader on September 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM

You’re thinking. But you’re not thinking like a Senator. It was all the gun’s fault. The Ar-15 called his name and forced itself into his hands and got him through the gate and made him kill those innocent people. if not for that gun.. he’d still be back waiting on tables.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM

The arguments made by gun-grabbers remind me of the Syria issue. 100,000 deaths caused by conventional weapons are no big deal, but heaven forfend that (maybe) 1,400 people get killed with chemical weapons!

Alexis had 3 guns. No one knows how many deaths or injuries, if any, were the result of the AR-15. For all we know, they all could have been caused by one of his handguns that he reloaded. But, NO! We have to restart the obsession with the AR-15. Even if all or most were killed with another weapon, idjits like DiFi will focus on this one gun.

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 7:03 PM

He was stationed at Ft. Hood during the same time as that other shooter? Totally meaningless… unless we can find out what kind of breakfast cereal he ate while there. Then that could mean something.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 6:53 PM

I’ve seen this come up several times but find it questionable. FT. Hood is an Army installation and what I have seen is that he was stationed at the Naval Air Station in Ft. Worth. I know their are a number of Joint installations now but is that one of them?

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Even David Frum needs to eat.

Punchenko on September 16, 2013 at 6:32 PM

May his food turn to ash in his mouth.

dogsoldier on September 16, 2013 at 6:34 PM

You’re too generous. :-)

The brain trust must have told Scooter and Mooch “no”.

kingsjester on September 16, 2013 at 6:36 PM

LOL, brain trust! I think Bo is more modest than that.

Punchenko on September 16, 2013 at 7:05 PM

WTFF? Who even believes this sort of BS? An “anger-fueled blackout” … Uh .. okey doke. The guy should have gotten a long jail sentence right then and there. But, instead, he sailed right through with such a transparent and stupid lie. Pathetic.

And, even worse, if it were true (which it obviously wasn’t) that would mean that such an individual could never be allowed to roam free in a civilized society.

No matter how you cut it, this guy should have been sitting in jail.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 16, 2013 at 6:54 PM

No no no no no. Another one… thinking. Stop thinking. It’s not like this guy hadn’t been paying his student loans or bought a case of water for a frat party or broke some sorta EPA rule like making the water dirty on a wetland or something. He just had an anger fueled blackout and fired a gun through the ceiling of his apartment because his neighbor was making too much noise. If he had done one of those other things then SWAT would have shown up and he’d be in jail for like 2o years or something. Probably would’ve been tazed 16 times too.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Please pass me some EPA approved windex and paper towels. Thank you :)

Key West Reader on September 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Sorry but the EPA has banned Windex and paper towels so you’ll have to make your own environmentally approved cleaner and use tree leaves. Don’t forget to throw the tree leaves into the required compost pit.
:)

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 7:08 PM

That why I carry a Judge.

davidk on September 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM

In a wheelbarrow?

novaculus on September 16, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Lawyer at the hearing said he was in a drunken rage. Fortunately he didn’t get away with that defense.

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Good!

But I can understand a drunken rage or blacking out from drinking, but an anger-fueled blackout? …. No way, no how. If a person just blacks out for any emotional reason then he is one very, very demented and dangerous individual, to start with. Either that, or he’s a pathetically poor liar.

We’ve really allowed the psychologists to get away with promoting too many ridiculous ideas.

And I am so tired of hearing about PTSD. That is a real crock almost all of the time. People have suffered far worse traumas throughout history than most modern people could even imagine – as a matter of course. Heck, even visiting the dentist used to be an experience of such excruciating pain that most people today have no clue. And yet, now, of all times, everyone has PTSD over every little trauma. It’s annoying and patently ridiculous. But … psychologists and psychiatrists need to make themselves necessary.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 16, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Another of Obama’s sons perchance?

I’m sure Whinestein D-COSCO now wants guns removed from all battleships, cruisers, destroyers, aircraft carriers and any aircraft upon those.

viking01 on September 16, 2013 at 7:12 PM

I’ve seen this come up several times but find it questionable. FT. Hood is an Army installation and what I have seen is that he was stationed at the Naval Air Station in Ft. Worth. I know their are a number of Joint installations now but is that one of them?

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Ft Worth ( aka Carswell until 1993) is 113 miles from Killeen (Ft. Hood)

Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base Ft. Worth

From the site

“The base became a Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base in October of 1994, and relocated numerous Navy Reserve, Marine Corps, Air Force and Air National Guard commands to the facility.

Under the operational command of the Commander, Naval Installations, NAS Fort Worth JRB is a joint defense facility which plays a pivotal role in the training and equipping of air crews and aviation ground support personnel.

The installation is located within the city limits of Fort Worth, Texas. Fort Worth is part of Dallas/Fort Worth. The DFW Metroplex is the largest metropolitan area in North Central Texas. Fort Worth is the fifth-largest city in the state of Texas and the 19th-largest in the United States. The city is also large in geographic area, as it covers almost 300 square miles. NAS JRB Fort Worth is located seven miles North/Northwest of downtown Fort Worth.”

workingclass artist on September 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Was this guy a Muslim?

bluegill on September 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

And I am so tired of hearing about PTSD. That is a real crock almost all of the time. People have suffered far worse traumas throughout history than most modern people could even imagine – as a matter of course. Heck, even visiting the dentist used to be an experience of such excruciating pain that most people today have no clue. And yet, now, of all times, everyone has PTSD over every little trauma. It’s annoying and patently ridiculous. But … psychologists and psychiatrists need to make themselves necessary.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 16, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Agreed. My FIL was the only survivor of his army unit in WWII (Pacific Islands). He functioned well in society and while he carried survivors guilt he never blamed his problems on that.

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM

If the story about the 9 mm and the AR 15 are accurate then, while this guy might not be a terrorist, he understood the first rule of an insurgency ambush. “Take the weapons off the enemy dead!!!”

xkaydet65 on September 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM

No no no no no. Another one… thinking. Stop thinking. It’s not like this guy hadn’t been paying his student loans or bought a case of water for a frat party or broke some sorta EPA rule like making the water dirty on a wetland or something. He just had an anger fueled blackout and fired a gun through the ceiling of his apartment because his neighbor was making too much noise. If he had done one of those other things then SWAT would have shown up and he’d be in jail for like 2o years or something. Probably would’ve been tazed 16 times too.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Too bad he didn’t make a movie criticizing Al*ah, then he could have been charged with a hate crime, visited by the local police and a couple of SWAT teams, locked up and the key thrown away.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Lawyer at the hearing said he was in a drunken rage. Fortunately he didn’t get away with that defense.

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM

But, why was he able to get into the Navy with that infraction when, allegedly, he was discharged because of an accidental weapons discharge charge in Fort Worth that was dropped?

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Stuff like this to me is meaningless. It’s like trying to find out what kind of person he is by the pop he drank. Was it Coke or Pepsi? Oooo.. he drank diet. what could that mean? Ooo.. he drove a red car. What could that mean. Ooo.. he wore skinny jeans. What could that mean? He was stationed at Ft. Hood during the same time as that other shooter? Totally meaningless… unless we can find out what kind of breakfast cereal he ate while there. Then that could mean something.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 6:53 PM

JellyToast:Yup,speculation OverLoad:)

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Photo: Police arrest man accused of throwing firecrackers over White House fence – @AP

5 mins ago from bigstory.ap.org by editor
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http://bigstory.ap.org/photo/white-house-arrest-1

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:18 PM

I’ve seen this come up several times but find it questionable. FT. Hood is an Army installation and what I have seen is that he was stationed at the Naval Air Station in Ft. Worth. I know their are a number of Joint installations now but is that one of them?

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Good point. I got them mixed up, but they are about 150 miles apart.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Photo: A man is taken into custody for throwing fireworks over the White House fence – @PeterAlexander

1 min ago from twitter.com/PeterAlexander by editor
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https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/379741867572596736/photo/1

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

But, why was he able to get into the Navy with that infraction when, allegedly, he was discharged because of an accidental weapons discharge charge in Fort Worth that was dropped?

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

How much you want to bet it was all about being PC? (If you get my drift.)

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Was this guy a Muslim?

bluegill on September 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Allegedly, he was a buddhist – I don’t know where that comes from but that’s what I’ve been hearing… but it seems to me that a real buddhist would have more likely set himself on fire.

Clearly, something big is missing, here, though we do know that he was a violent whackjob. That much was clearly established.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 16, 2013 at 7:22 PM

workingclass artist on September 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Thanks for the info. That helps with my understanding of the reserve base in Ft. Worth.

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Washington’s Navy Yard to be closed Tuesday ‘with the exception of emergency response and mission essential personnel’ http://wapo.st/165Gybu – @postlocal

9 mins ago from twitter.com/postlocal by editor
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Photo: Adviser Lisa Monaco briefs President Obama on the shootings at the Navy Yard – @petesouza

12 mins ago from twitter.com/petesouza by editor
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Alleged shooter at Navy Yard worked for a Hewlett-Packard subcontractor, company tells @washingtonpost

19 mins ago from http://www.washingtonpost.com by editor
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canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Photo: A man is taken into custody for throwing fireworks over the White House fence – @PeterAlexander

1 min ago from twitter.com/PeterAlexander by editor
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https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/379741867572596736/photo/1

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

What a complete jerk. The guy is an idiot. I hope the cops gave him a good body slam.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

chemman was relating a personal incident to me about a blackout defense, not about today’s shooter.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 16, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Alleged shooter at Navy Yard worked for a Hewlett-Packard subcontractor, company tells @washingtonpost

19 mins ago from http://www.washingtonpost.com by editor
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canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:22 PM

That settles it!!! Obviously all HP products must now be added to DiFi’s list of weapons that must be banned.

One never knows when an HP printer may go totally berserk and start attacking people right then and there where they work.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Was this guy a Muslim?

bluegill on September 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

blugill:

Maybe,I do wonder tho,if he owns a hoodie type garmet!!
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Shooting at Washington Navy Yard, Sept. 16, 2013

Photo of suspected Washington Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis – @NBCNews

2 hours ago from twitter.com by editor
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http://www.breakingnews.com/item/ahZzfmJyZWFraW5nbmV3cy13d3ctaHJkcg0LEgRTZWVkGPnl6xMM/2013/09/16/photo-of-suspected-washington-navy-yard-shooter-aa

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:27 PM

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 7:23 PM

If anyone ever deserves good old fashioned police brutality…

OmahaConservative on September 16, 2013 at 7:28 PM

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:22 PM

That settles it!!! Obviously all HP products must now be added to DiFi’s list of weapons that must be banned.

One never knows when an HP printer may go totally berserk and start attacking people right then and there where they work.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 7:27 PM

GrannyDee:

Sweet Bibby,I just e-mailed all family and friends,and,Frenemies,
to be on the alert,and so ever vigil of HP Products,it never dawned
on me that this could be a stealth murder operation!:)
(snark)

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Resist We Much on September 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

I can’t begin to understand that. When I joined the Air Force in 1970 they assigned me to a career field that required a very high level Top Secret clearance. I had been such a goody two shoes it took about 4 weeks extra to go through because the FBI was actively trying to locate people who didn’t like me. I can’t imagine that the issue was discovered during his background check. Working on aircraft should have required a Secret Clearance.

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 7:34 PM

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

What a complete jerk. The guy is an idiot. I hope the cops gave him a good body slam.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 7:23 PM

JellyToast:Lol,yup,

ya know,this could be a old comedy,where law enforcement is on a High-
Tactical Alert,and some clown,walks by the white house,with balloons
and a needle,popping them one by one,and the clown can’t understand
why its raining a hail-of-bullitts!–:0
(snark)

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:36 PM

This was Air Force qualifying – M16 at 50 or 100 yards (I don’t remember, 34 years ago), 10 mags of 10 rounds, each in a different shooting position. I wasn’t so lucky – I only got 87 out of 100 – I just could NOT shoot an M16 left handed.
Well dang – maybe one of the guys next to me qualified expert with my 13 misses….

dentarthurdent on September 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM

I thought for a moment you were the one who helped me qualify expert but I did a quick calculation and I was there 33 years ago. I always remember my TI, Sgt. Dubois….cute little thing but hard as nails

Ditkaca on September 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM

I was at Lackland March, ’70. I “earned” the marksmanship medal at McConnell AFB in Wichita, KS.

davidk on September 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Sweet Bibby,I just e-mailed all family and friends,and,Frenemies,
to be on the alert,and so ever vigil of HP Products,it never dawned
on me that this could be a stealth murder operation!:)
(snark)

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

I’m keeping a close eye on my HP printer even as we speak.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Navy Yard shooter(s) relied on gun free zones to massacre defenseless personnel

Nailed it.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 7:34 PM

GrannyDee:Typical eh:)

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:39 PM

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

I’m keeping a close eye on my HP printer even as we speak.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM

GrannyDee:

Just wait till your back is turned,better unplug it!:)

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Have any victims Ben identified? Is there any … continuity … in who he was targeting?

smoothsailing on September 16, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Auto correct … hate it.

smoothsailing on September 16, 2013 at 7:42 PM

****************** Co-Inky-Dinky *************************!!

Shooting at Washington Navy Yard, Sept. 16, 2013

Navy Yard shootings prompts postponement of ‘stand your ground’ hearing in Senate – @postlocal

1 min ago from http://www.washingtonpost.com by editor
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/09/16/senate-stand-your-ground-hearing-postponed/

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM

GrannyDee:Typical eh:)

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:39 PM

I don’t know how it is up your way, but down here the libtards think that broadcasting that someplace is a gun free zone will somehow save lives. Because (donchaknow) a maniac with a gun will say, “Golly gee whiz, I can’t go in there. It’s a gun free zone.”

Head meet desk.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Clearly, something big is missing, here, though we do know that he was a violent whackjob. That much was clearly established.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 16, 2013 at 7:22 PM

I think of the way the Sandy Hook deal was handled. Too many questions left unanswered. Like Benghazi.

It’s really sad when you can’t trust the government and the media.

davidk on September 16, 2013 at 7:44 PM

I want DiFi’s sorry, commie “wench” ass thrown OUT of the United States.

We need stricter “politician control” laws.

Oh wait ….. we have The Constitution !

listens2glenn on September 16, 2013 at 7:45 PM

The guy wasn’t Muslim, Christian or even a true Buddhist.

He was a black dude from the Bronx who was deep into Thai culture.

In other words, he had a loose screw that no one cared to address because as long as he was in a comfort zone – working at a Thai restaurant, for example – he was in control.

But every time he moved out of that comfort zone, he had a run-in with the law, and it always involved a gun.

Hard to put metrics on a guy like this. Another case of it really being up to the people around him, but if they weren’t aware of his “police interventions”, than wth do you do?

budfox on September 16, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Sweet Bibby,I just e-mailed all family and friends,and,Frenemies,
to be on the alert,and so ever vigil of HP Products,it never dawned
on me that this could be a stealth murder operation!:)
(snark)

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

.
I’m keeping a close eye on my HP printer even as we speak.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM

.
May as well take whatever humor we can out of this. : )

listens2glenn on September 16, 2013 at 7:48 PM

And I am so tired of hearing about PTSD. That is a real crock almost all of the time. People have suffered far worse traumas throughout history than most modern people could even imagine – as a matter of course. Heck, even visiting the dentist used to be an experience of such excruciating pain that most people today have no clue. And yet, now, of all times, everyone has PTSD over every little trauma. It’s annoying and patently ridiculous. But … psychologists and psychiatrists need to make themselves necessary.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 16, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I have ADD. When I went to the VA Clinic in Pueblo, CO to try to get some Aderall, I had to go through “Mental Hygiene.”

They said I didn’t have ADD but I had PTSD and tried to get me to go on VA disability.

davidk on September 16, 2013 at 7:50 PM

May as well take whatever humor we can out of this. : )

listens2glenn on September 16, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Kinda how I feel about it. I’m not trying to diminish the terrible loss of life today and how the grieving families and friends must be feeling tonight.

Murderers and mass murderers have been around since Adam and Eve. It’s nothing new, just the weapons of choice have changed and the instant coverage by the media makes it all the more apparent to us that evil roams our earth.

It’s just that I don’t know what to do about it other than to pray.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:39 PM

I don’t know how it is up your way, but down here the libtards think that broadcasting that someplace is a gun free zone will somehow save lives. Because (donchaknow) a maniac with a gun will say, “Golly gee whiz, I can’t go in there. It’s a gun free zone.”

Head meet desk.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM

GrannyDee:

We have no gun-free zones up here,and I have a .410 pump mossberg,
(bird gun),and we have a public school,just across the street,as an
example!!:)

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:57 PM

I have ADD. When I went to the VA Clinic in Pueblo, CO to try to get some Aderall, I had to go through “Mental Hygiene.”

They said I didn’t have ADD but I had PTSD and tried to get me to go on VA disability.

davidk on September 16, 2013 at 7:50 PM

What in the world is “mental hygiene?” It sounds painful.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 7:58 PM

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

.
I’m keeping a close eye on my HP printer even as we speak.

GrannyDee on September 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM

.
May as well take whatever humor we can out of this. : )

listens2glenn on September 16, 2013 at 7:48 PM

listens2glenn:

As I have said before,I inject a bit of humour,in any news ordeal,
but,I hear ya:)

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Official tells @USATODAY: Suspected Navy Yard gunman purchased weapons legally, likely acted alone

9 mins ago from http://www.usatoday.com by partner
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/16/navy-yard-shooting/2819543/

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Suspect in DC shooting spree had a security clearance that allowed him access to the Navy Yard – @washingtonpost

10 secs ago from http://www.washingtonpost.com by editor
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/liveblog/wp/2013/09/16/shooting-at-washington-navy-yard/#liveblog-entry-17942

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 8:09 PM

This is the first place I have seen saying that the AR-15 was taken from a victim. Why am I not seeing that on Fox or CNN or anywhere?

petunia on September 16, 2013 at 8:14 PM

I just went back and noticed it is NBC reporting that the AR-15 was taken from the victim. NBC? Hmmmm…. strange they reported that?

petunia on September 16, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Alexis had a security clearance that was updated in July, approved by military security service personnel.

“There had to be a thorough investigation,” Hoshko said. “There is nothing that came up in all the searches. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/liveblog/wp/2013/09/16/shooting-at-washington-navy-yard/#liveblog-entry-17942“

I guess they forgot to do an internet search.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 8:16 PM

This is the first place I have seen saying that the AR-15 was taken from a victim. Why am I not seeing that on Fox or CNN or anywhere?

petunia on September 16, 2013 at 8:14 PM

One D. C. radio station said he had “an AR-15 double-barrel shotgun.”

davidk on September 16, 2013 at 8:21 PM

I think most of us have accepted the reality that we’re dealing with a nearly completely corrupt and fascist-enabling media determined beyond the constraints of any professional journalist credo or sense of tradition to pursue a Statist agenda at the expense of freedom and individuality in EVERY story and news event now in America. They are a force of opposition to our freedom; they are the enemy.

rrpjr on September 16, 2013 at 8:25 PM

I guess they forgot to do an internet search.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 8:16 PM

The internet was closed that day.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 16, 2013 at 8:30 PM

I think most of us have accepted the reality that we’re dealing with a nearly completely corrupt and fascist-enabling media determined beyond the constraints of any professional journalist credo or sense of tradition to pursue a Statist agenda at the expense of freedom and individuality in EVERY story and news event now in America. They are a force of opposition to our freedom; they are the enemy.

rrpjr on September 16, 2013 at 8:25 PM

I am not a fire arms expert. But it seems very pertinent to me that when criticizing the security, we know whether he actually got through security with an AR-15, or if he had a small hand gun, shot officers, and then stole the guns!!!!

All the talk about getting through security. And they aren’t even having the right conversation!

I totally agree, as bad as the government is, it is the media that has made is so. The corrupt media is the biggest threat to freedom in the world.

petunia on September 16, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Drudge has a link:

LAST WEEK: Al Qaeda calls for small-scale attacks inside United States…

It’s probably nothing.

JellyToast on September 16, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Shooting at Washington Navy Yard, Sept. 16, 2013

Suspected Navy Yard shooter had no apparent misconduct issues at his firm, CEO says – @Reuters

4 mins ago by editor

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Photo: A helicopter lifts a person off the roof at Washington’s Navy Yard – @washingtonpost

9 mins ago from twitter.com/washingtonpost by editor
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It’s unclear if the suspect in the Navy Yard shooting had just started working there, or was just about to start, his firm’s CEO says – @Reuters

12 mins ago by editor
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The shotgun used in the Navy Yard shooting was purchased in Lorton, Va. – @postlocal

18 mins ago from twitter.com/postlocal by editor
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http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/shooting-at-washington-navy-yard-sept-16-2013

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 9:10 PM

So the White House Marxist wants disarm law abiding American citizens and at the same time use taxes paid by those American citizens to arm Al Qaeda and other anti American terrorist groups. And our elected representatives do nothing. Tell me again how politics will fix our country?

bgibbs1000 on September 16, 2013 at 9:30 PM

A shot gun and an AR-15 are very different.

petunia on September 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM

The trolls have been flatlining lately. Guess defending Barry has become too much.

itsspideyman on September 16, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Piers Morgan swears the AR-15 was purchased legally in VA… but I have seen nothing accept talk of a shot gun. It would help if the people calling for gun control actually knew something about guns.

It is hard to talk to people who know nothing at all about guns. And I don’t know that much.

Even Nancy Pelosi was telling people they should just use a shot gun to protect their houses…. when the government bought up all the 22 ammo.

Our government is so messed up. But the media is so much worse.

Why won’t they put mentally ill people in a place where they can’t hurt anyone?

petunia on September 16, 2013 at 9:48 PM

I can’t imagine that the issue was discovered during his background check. Working on aircraft should have required a Secret Clearance.

chemman on September 16, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Not so. Aviation Electrician’s Mate is routinely an unclassified rating. In certain tactical aircraft communities, that is elevated to Confidential, and there is very little involved in the background check for that. In most cases, only the Avionics and Fire Control Technician rates require a SECRET clearance, and those do demand a full SF-86 background check.

Also, the existence of a record of involvement with law enforcement isn’t necessarily a show-stopper for a clearance, it can become a subjective determination for the agency qualifying the clearance.

Freelancer on September 16, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Feeling rather Freaky-Deaky after seeing Fort Worth’s Thai Restaurant “Happy Bowl” on the news: the guy was my waiter at least twice.

Marcus on September 16, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Feeling rather Freaky-Deaky after seeing Fort Worth’s Thai Restaurant “Happy Bowl” on the news: the guy was my waiter at least twice.

Marcus on September 16, 2013 at 10:03 PM

So it’s your fault!

mankai on September 16, 2013 at 10:09 PM

So it’s your fault!

mankai on September 16, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Are they going to trace his gun purchase back to my tip money? Yikes. And I’m Tea Party.

Seriously, damned if he didn’t take my order and then basically go sit on a computer. They’re saying he was a video game fanatic.

Marcus on September 16, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Shooting at Washington Navy Yard, Sept. 16, 2013

Washington Police Chief Lanier: ‘We are comfortable we have single and sole person responsible’ for Navy Yard shootings – live video

37 secs ago from http://www.breakingnews.com by editor

canopfor on September 16, 2013 at 10:25 PM

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