Some House Republicans pretty “angry” that Boehner can’t get Cruz to shut up and sit down

posted at 6:31 pm on September 15, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

This report is coming from The Hill and relies pretty much on “Republican lawmakers” and staffers “speaking on condition of anonymity” so factor that in. But given what we’ve heard from some other members over the last couple of months, I wouldn’t find it terribly surprising if this were true.

Republican lawmakers are growing increasingly frustrated with what they say is a lack of communication from their leaders.

Both centrist and conservative members in the House believe that Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and his lieutenants could have done more earlier this year to counter the Tea Party’s effort to defund ObamaCare. Some Republicans on Capitol Hill say such an effort is politically impossible with a Democratic-controlled Senate and a Democrat in the White House. Regardless, the rift on what to do on ObamaCare has opened up a civil war within the GOP.

The complaint is similar to ones we’ve heard before, citing people who warned the Speaker to “get out in front” of the issue of demands to defund Obamacare, shutting down the government, etc. etc. before it turned into a civil war in the press. And, of course, Ted Cruz is cited as the chief fly in the ointment. The new complaint is that the leadership spent too much time fundraising for 2014 and failed to communicate with the members.

One member, however, was willing to go on the record and said that the communications problem wasn’t between Boehner and the members… it was that the Speaker isn’t listening to the voters.

“The leadership, because of other obligations they have during the August recess to raise money and meet with groups, may not have had as many town hall meetings in their specific districts as rank-and-file members, and so they may not have been aware of how strongly the message was delivered to those of us who did stay in our districts the entire August recess,” Rep. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.) said.

One last pair of gems from this selection of quotes… also anonymous.

“Boehner should have shut it down before we left … Cruz started talking about this before we left and Boehner should have said, ‘We’re not doing that and this is why.’ Just shut it down!,” the legislator said.

Many GOP lawmakers share that frustration privately and several have gone so far as to call their party “leaderless.”

“Here we are complaining about a president who can’t lead [on Syria], who leads us into this morass and we’re doing the same things to ourselves on ObamaCare, on the debt ceiling,” one conservative complained.

If you read the entire report, it seems that the only person they could find who actually supported Cruz on the Obamacare question was Dennis Ross (R-Fla.) who called it an opportunity of a lifetime. Others, such as John Shimkus and Presidential hopeful Peter King both wanted to find some way to say, can’t we all just get along?

If this reporting were even remotely close to being a representative sample of Congress, it would make it sound as if Cruz is pretty much fighting on a team that numbers in single digits. That sounds fairly unlikely, but we won’t know the real numbers until some of these budget questions begin coming up for a vote – assuming the House can agree on anything to vote on – in the next few weeks.


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Michelle Bachmann will wipe the floor with Cruz.

SparkPlug on September 15, 2013 at 7:59 PM

SparkPlug:No fair,she has an advantage,…..

….

A TitaniumSpine!!!

(snark)

canopfor on September 15, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Some Republicans on Capitol Hill say such an effort is politically impossible with a Democratic-controlled as long as a single Democrat is in the Senate and a Democrat in no matter who is in the White House.

Fixed … Tea Party FIGHTS for YOU.

Republicans COMPROMISE with Marxists.

HondaV65 on September 15, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Ted Cruz is effective. It can be defunded. Obama will not shut down government with a bill that gives him everything else he wants.
You know that when you read stories like this.

Fact is.

Were this reversed the GOP program would have been defunded by Nancy Polski the first year.

Steveangell on September 15, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Like the Left, the RINOs tell you whom they fear the most …

ShainS on September 15, 2013 at 7:59 PM

As I said upthread, I don’t think “fear” is the right word for it. Loath? Despise? I dunno. But to say that the GOP fears Ted Cruz just doesn’t feel right to me somehow.

gryphon202 on September 15, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Ted Cruz is effective. It can be defunded.

Steveangell on September 15, 2013 at 8:01 PM

If Ted Cruz is so effective, what is he waiting for? Defund it already, Congressman Cruz!

/meh

gryphon202 on September 15, 2013 at 8:03 PM

canopfor on September 15, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Cruz is a real hoser, eh?
He speaks Canadian and could be your wingman as commander of those royal mounted beavers.

SparkPlug on September 15, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Don’t elections have consequences? The House was made republican to Stop ObamaCare. These losers have dropped the ball!

Greek Fire on September 15, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Well said. Cruz inconveniently brings up what they should be doing instead of lecturing us on why there is no way to defund Obamacare. What was the point of all those symbolic votes against Obamacare if they really didn’t mean it?

Happy Nomad on September 15, 2013 at 8:08 PM

canopfor on September 15, 2013 at 7:59 PM

I would have been happier if he wasn’t a state representative but wasn’t it just yesterday that “binders full of women” was the most awful thing ever done to womankind?

Cindy Munford on September 15, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Republicans on Capitol Hill say such an effort is politically impossible with a Democratic-controlled Senate and a Democrat in the White House.

Impossible? THEN WRAP IT AROUND THEIR NECKS UNTIL THEY CHOKE ON IT!

GarandFan on September 15, 2013 at 8:10 PM

canopfor on September 15, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Cruz is a real hoser, eh?
He speaks Canadian and could be your wingman as commander of those royal mounted beavers.

SparkPlug on September 15, 2013 at 8:05 PM

SparkPlug: Lmao,yup,mounted beavers,haha.

Yes,I get a kick out of Cruz being part Canadian!———-:0

canopfor on September 15, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Michelle Bachmann will wipe the floor with Cruz.

SparkPlug on September 15, 2013 at 7:59 PM

/Bish

SparkPlug on September 15, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Heh.

Bachmann is yesterday’s news … it’s Ollie North whom Cruz should fear …

/Bop

ShainS on September 15, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Anything David Brooks is against is worth considering.

David Blue on September 15, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Cindy is correct in her post at 7:29 pm.

More thoughts here:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358545/defund-ocare-battle-still-divides-republicans-andrew-stiles

onlineanalyst on September 15, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Or it would be, except his establishment liberal bias is such that he often can’t even give a reasonably accurate description of what he is attacking.

David Blue on September 15, 2013 at 8:13 PM

The Republicans best chance to deal with Obamacare was 2 years ago, through the budget process. DOesn’t anyone wonder why the Senate hasn’t passed a budget in 4 years? It’s really simple, they get the previous years spending, plus a percentage. The cuts that Boehner wants you to believe he got were in the increases, not the initial spending that Obama and the Democrats put in during their first 2 years. Boehner. by signing CR’s has allowed them to keep that spending and sacrificed any power he had to deal with Obamacare in the process.

Our best bet right now is to allow this fiasco to go through and watch the fun as people actually find out what’s in the bill. All the Democrats are saying is “Republicans want to go back to insurance companies being in control and not insuring people with pre-existing conditions.” Well, if I were the Republicans, I would actually tell people what that actually costs. As far as keep your kid on your insurance until they’re 25, you could always do that if they were in college. When they got a job, they should have their own insurance. Of course, with Obama in charge, they can’t even find a job, but that’s another story.

As others have said, we’re all in deep doo with this batch of Republicans. I hope Boehner and McConnell are primaried because their leadership is what got us here.

bflat879 on September 15, 2013 at 8:17 PM

As I said upthread, I don’t think “fear” is the right word for it. Loath? Despise? I dunno. But to say that the GOP fears Ted Cruz just doesn’t feel right to me somehow.

gryphon202 on September 15, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Well, he’s definitely being Palinized by the GOPe (GOP enablers).

BTW, I agree with you that the country, at this point, cannot be saved via politicians (just too much systemic corruption, and we are beyond moral and financial bankruptcy).

I think only a great spiritual leader — similar to Gandhi or MLK, Jr. or (the fictional) John Galt — who can persuade the vast majority of producers to go on strike (assuming that there are enough of us left) until the federal government is brought to its knees, is the only way out …

ShainS on September 15, 2013 at 8:17 PM

This report is coming from The Hill and relies pretty much on “Republican lawmakers” and staffers “speaking on condition of anonymity” so factor that in.

i.e. The Weeping Boner’s slugs and various other idiot traitors in the GOP leadership … PiecesOS scum that they are …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 15, 2013 at 8:29 PM

When was the last time a Speaker of the House had any great influence on a media savvy Senate back-bencher of his own party – or any Senator of his own party?

The Speaker’s power stops at those doors that open to the Senate Chamber – which is why history is full of references to “my colleagues in ‘The Other Body’!”.

Another Drew on September 15, 2013 at 8:31 PM

ShainS on September 15, 2013 at 8:17 PM

This ought to be good. It will be fun to see them Palinze someone who was cum laude at Princeton, magna cum laude Harvard Law and Cruz was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review. Aren’t those a little better credentials than their current idol. Now all of this doesn’t mean much to me but the media sure has thought it meant something special for the last several years.

Cindy Munford on September 15, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Both centrist and conservative members in the House believe that Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and his lieutenants could have done more earlier this year to counter the Tea Party’s effort to defund ObamaCare.

Others, such as John Shimkus and Presidential hopeful Peter King both wanted to find some way to say, can’t we all just get along?

So tell me again why a third party is such a bad idea? A clear majority of the country is against Choomcare, yet the self-styled GOP “centrists” and “conservatives” still want to fund it.

The Let-It-Burn party is standing on the sidelines, cheering.

RoadRunner on September 15, 2013 at 8:38 PM

The idiots in both parties give credence to seniority rather than real leadership in choosing their “leaders.” More is the pity.

onlineanalyst on September 15, 2013 at 8:42 PM

It looks like I’ll be sitting out 2016, too. Get ready for another RINO candidate from the GOP handlers. I’m not voting for another one. My nose-holding days are over.

Wino on September 15, 2013 at 8:42 PM

SouthernGent on September 15, 2013 at 6:48 PM
How is it that the Speaker of the House is supposed to shut down a member of Senate?

de rigueur on September 15, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Yeah, I don’t get how that works either.

Shay on September 15, 2013 at 8:50 PM

de rigueur on September 15, 2013 at 6:49 PM Shay on September 15, 2013 at 8:50 PM

It doesn’t, they are all just a bunch of big babies.

Cindy Munford on September 15, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Utter BS. The GOP House can defund Marxist Care any time they want too. Everyone knows but too many GOP House members want this Marxist Care.

bgibbs1000 on September 15, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Were this reversed the GOP program would have been defunded by Nancy Polski the first year.

Steveangell on September 15, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Were this reversed the GOP program would have been defunded by Nancy Polski and the democrats the first week of the session.

FIFY

jaydee_007 on September 15, 2013 at 9:20 PM

It looks like I’ll be sitting out 2016, too. Get ready for another RINO candidate from the GOP handlers. I’m not voting for another one. My nose-holding days are over.

Wino on September 15, 2013 at 8:42 PM

What you are really saying is that you’d rather be stabbed in the front from someone you expect it from, rather than being stabbed in the back.

jaydee_007 on September 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM

If Ted Cruz is so effective, what is he waiting for? Defund it already, Congressman Cruz!

/meh

gryphon202 on September 15, 2013 at 8:03 PM

What Cruz is proposing is simple and radical more as a statement of how to conduct political war than to defund Obamacare — but it can’t be done alone. He’s proposing that the entire notion of political war be reconfigured and the Right go after the media and to the public in ways it has never done and is obviously loath to do. He admits that his plan will not work any other way. But what other way is there, whether the issue is Obamacare or anything else? This is the crux of EVERYTHING, i.e., how the GOP wages or doesn’t wage political war in a time of total political war waged against them.

In fact, the GOP cannot even contemplate this idea, and that Cruz raises it is profoundly upsetting to them. David Brooks recognizes the threat and can’t tolerate even a discussion of it. The entire ruling class understands that Cruz represents a radical attack on the status quo.

Rand Paul continues to show he harbors the unfortunate naivete of the libertarian with respect to the Left. Cruz does not. As it stands, Cruz cannot succeed in this effort alone, but at least he’s doing what NOBODY on the Right is doing and dealing with the core issue of political war.

rrpjr on September 15, 2013 at 9:25 PM

All the Democrats are saying is “Republicans want to go back to insurance companies being in control and not insuring people with pre-existing conditions.”

bflat879 on September 15, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Much better for the government to be in charge, then you’ll have coverage, but you will be unable to get treated, and since it is the government and not a private insurance company you will have no Recourse. (that is you cannot sue them)

jaydee_007 on September 15, 2013 at 9:25 PM

rrpjr on September 15, 2013 at 9:25 PM

We saw how effective Boehner and Co. were in the first CR battle of 2011.

100 billion became 67 billion suddenly due to Pro Ratta.

Pro Rated? Really? I defy you to show me one promise in Sept / Oct 2010 who said 100 billion pro rated!

Then, when the 67 billion got to the senate it suddenly became a dollar eighty five (or a reasonable facsimile thereof)

And now they want to apply the same logic to Obamacare and Cruz is telling them to knock it off and do what they were elected to do!

jaydee_007 on September 15, 2013 at 9:30 PM

They want it shut down because they don’t want to have to vote on it and therefore open themselves up to a tea party challenge back home, plus show to their constituents what RINOs they are. They would rather have Weeping John take the arrows.

This is why I support Cruz on this. Make them suffer, rattle the cages. The GOP needs this strong medicine.

William Eaton on September 15, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Some house pubs want , as usual , to play softball when the Dems play hardball. That’s how we got the ACA in the first place you p*ssies.

CW on September 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Promise = Politician (I know the two words are mutually exclusive, how could I mix them up)

jaydee_007 on September 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM

I think only a great spiritual leader — similar to Gandhi or MLK, Jr. or (the fictional) John Galt — who can persuade the vast majority of producers to go on strike (assuming that there are enough of us left) until the federal government is brought to its knees, is the only way out …

ShainS on September 15, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Unfortunately, this is the truth. I say “unfortunately” because such individuals are in short supply these days. Both in terms of leadership and those willing to risk everything to follow.

Cleombrotus on September 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM

I am pulling for Cruz, and I am SO tired of the ‘Washington insider’s old-establishment sell-outs like Boehner & McConnell – the ones who REALLY need to go!

easyt65 on September 15, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Unfortunately, this is the truth. I say “unfortunately” because such individuals are in short supply these days. Both in terms of leadership and those willing to risk everything to follow.

Cleombrotus on September 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Agreed.

ShainS on September 15, 2013 at 10:05 PM

In only a few months, one man is a bitch and the other is a leader…

Vanbasten on September 15, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Well gosh, if this story is true I sure feel bad for all those frustrated people in the house, because they have no clue what’s coming in 2014.

I mean, to be angry at Ted Cruz is one thing. To be angry at Ted Cruz and not realize your constituents would prefer there were clones of him that could replace you is probably just more than their precious little RINO hearts can take.

rjcylon on September 15, 2013 at 10:25 PM

What you are really saying is that you’d rather be stabbed in the front from someone you expect it from, rather than being stabbed in the back.

jaydee_007 on September 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM

A little of that, but more of the “since you won’t support my values, you don’t get my votes.” When was the last time we had a candidate who was for less federal spending and a smaller federal government?

Ronald Reagan, anyone? It seemed to work to me. Quite unlike everyone we’ve had since, most certainly.

Wino on September 15, 2013 at 10:35 PM

HondaV65 on September 15, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Ah, the Obama voter speaks.

Midas on September 15, 2013 at 10:35 PM

I only wish I could go to work in Cruz’s office. He’s the only politician I’ve had any respect for in quite awhile.

Midas on September 15, 2013 at 10:37 PM

But to say that the GOP fears Ted Cruz just doesn’t feel right to me somehow.

gryphon202 on September 15, 2013 at 8:02 PM

I think the word you’re looking for is contempt. The same emotion they feel for republican voters. They can’t understand why we won’t just send them money and vote the way they tell us.

Wendya on September 15, 2013 at 10:40 PM

This ought to be good. It will be fun to see them Palinze someone who was cum laude at Princeton, magna cum laude Harvard Law and Cruz was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review. Aren’t those a little better credentials than their current idol. Now all of this doesn’t mean much to me but the media sure has thought it meant something special for the last several years.

Cindy Munford on September 15, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Honestly, in today’s day and age, I don’t think any of that matters.

There’s no amount of fact, truth, or reality that means more to no-info voters than whatever they are told by the media, by the left, etc.

Yes, they will Palinize him, and frankly – is there any reason to think it won’t work? That all of his credentials will outweigh the lies they will broadcast about him 24/7?

Midas on September 15, 2013 at 10:44 PM

If it wasn’t for Senators Cruz and Paul, the entire GOP would be worthless.

Panther on September 15, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Any Republican Rep that voted to keep Boehner as Speaker should get the boot. Period.

Mr. Arrogant on September 15, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Oh and another thing, I believe that Sen. Cruz is promoting the defunding of Obamacare but NOT the closing of the government. Which several lawmakers have tried to make clear but that isn’t the narrative that the media want to use.

Cindy Munford on September 15, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Yeah, and I’ve been watching more Fox News this weekend than usual and there has been an consistent and obvious bias against Cruz, Lee and Paul even on FNC, saying that they want to shut down the government even when the facts prove otherwise. In fact they are calling to fund every bit of government except Obamacare. That is the truth, yet this weekend I’ve noticed on several occasions that FNC reporters were falsely implying that Cruz’s goal is to shut down the government, which is demonstrably false. While a shutdown may occur temporarily depending on what Obama and the Democrats decide, that is factually not the intent of Senator Cruz. While I myself would prefer to balance the budget, the goal in the short term is simply to save America from Obamacare for another year. I think the wisdom of this is obvious to the majority of Americans, (similar to how I accurately predicted their opposition to war in Syria), and that in fact it’s crony politicians and the MSM seeking to fund Obamacare, in spite of public opinion, that has the most to fear from this debate. That is why, instead of winning the debate fair and square, they would rather just figure out a way to make Cruz, Paul and Lee shut up.

It’s the ruling class that has the most to fear from a so-called government shutdown, which is actually a load of BS. They’ll never shut down the government even if the American people demand it because it’s the ruling class that has the most to lose.

FloatingRock on September 15, 2013 at 10:59 PM

John Boehner (R-Ohio) and his lieutenants could have done more earlier this year to counter the Tea Party’s effort to defund ObamaCare.

I know there are weasels in the republican party but if the person saying this was ever identified their political career, as a republican anyway, would be over. They would have to be insane or think they are bulletproof. Therefore I am calling BS. I now believe less than 50% of what we read in the news is even close to the truth and I think when it comes to “unnamed republicans” probably less than 5% is true. The vast majority of journalists are democrat propagandists and liars. I think they just make stuff up, plain and simple.

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Cruz and Mike Lee are building their mailing lists for future fundraising, they know there is no chance of stopping ObamaCare via a government shutdown. If they don’t know it, they’re just stupid, and I doubt that.

A shutdown under Obama isn’t going to be one of those soft landing deals like Reagan did, keeping most essential offices going and shutting down the optional stuff temporarily. Obama doesn’t care about who suffers and how much as long as it isn’t him personally. He will bring the pain to everyone, media will help blame Republicans and we WILL be blamed as we ALWAYS are, even Reagan, for the shutdown.

This isn’t rocket science, people.

The best and only chance to fully repeal ObamaCare is to allow it to take effect, perhaps insisting on a rollback of the congressional exemption Obama added without legislative authority. Let the unions start taking damage, let the young people find out they are the ones who will really get screwed.

If we had taken the White House and the Senate last year, we could manage it. But elections do matter.

Adjoran on September 15, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Can’t get that uppity Patriot to sit in the back of the bus and shut up, huh?
Maybe it is time for another Freedom March.

rgranger on September 15, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Cindy Munford on September 15, 2013 at 7:29 PM
FloatingRock on September 15, 2013 at 10:59 PM

The whole “shutting the government down” tactic was invented during the clinton presidency and the dishonest myth has been helped to fester by the media. First off, it didn’t succeed against the republicans during the clinton administration despite what karl “the Manchurian consultant” says or any of the professional politician fake conservatives claim. And second, the government was “shut down” 8 times during the Reagan administration for 14 days or more each time and has been shut down in nearly every administration. No one starved, no one suffered. Even the bueracracy got paid for their time off.

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2013 at 11:12 PM

A shutdown under Obama isn’t going to be one of those soft landing deals like Reagan did, keeping most essential offices going and shutting down the optional stuff temporarily. Obama doesn’t care about who suffers and how much as long as it isn’t him personally.

Adjoran on September 15, 2013 at 11:07 PM

And thus will end the reign of king Obama, not with a roar, but with a whimper. If Obama is vindictive and tries to make the American people suffer the MSM will fail to make the sale, just like they failed to make the sale on war with Syria. The MSM does not have the power they once had decades ago. This is what you fail to take into account. The American people are on our side. We have the alternative media, and when we’re right and our message is popular, we can stop the MSM from hijacking popular opinion. They’ll have to shut down the Internet to stop us from getting the truth out and countering MSM propaganda; this is the new paradigm.

The ruling class won’t dare shut down the government because most people won’t even notice, in fact many people will feel liberated. If the ruling class tries to make people suffer and use MSM to cover up their own responsibility for the pain that they inflict, they will fail.

Look, Obamacare isn’t ready. Even if we don’t control enough of the government to repeal it, we do in fact have the power, and the authority of the American people that the House is supposed to represent, to delay it a year.

Defund Obamacare now!

FloatingRock on September 15, 2013 at 11:20 PM

We conservatives are so screwed…

OmahaConservative on September 15, 2013 at 6:33 PM

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The proper term is Bo(eh)ned.

Steve Eggleston on September 15, 2013 at 7:48 PM

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We aren’t “Bo(eh)ned”, yet.

listens2glenn on September 15, 2013 at 11:20 PM

How is it impossible not to fund Obamacare? If the House doesn’t fund it, it’s not funded. Period. The GOP holds the House. Seems quite possible not to fund it. Whining from the GOP about what the senate and president will and will not do is irrelevant. It is wholly and completely in the House GOP’s hands. If they want to give the official GOP seal of approval to Obamacare, that’s up to them. And it’s up to us whether or not we want to vote GOP in the future.

besser tot als rot on September 15, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Time for the Republicans to face facts….trying to defund ObamaCare is a lost cause. The better route to take is to remind everyone how the administration is giving exemption after exemption so select groups of individuals can keep their sweet health care plans. Republicans should be pointing out that if this health care plan isn’t good enough for over 1000 organizations who have already received their exemptions….why should anyone else have to comply. They should remind everyone how major components of this plan have been put on hold because they were unworkable. They should draft legislation that would rescind Congress’ exemption and make it clear all federal employees must participate the same as everyone else. They should ask the Democrats why there are apparently two classes of Americans….those who have to comply with ObamaCare and those who don’t. This issue could easily help to sway the 2014 elections and guarantee Republicans strengthen their control of the House and take the Senate with more than just a 1-2 vote advantage. Oh, and the fact the economy is still in the toilet doesn’t hurt either. Stay on message and pound it home.

ScottiesRule on September 15, 2013 at 6:51 PM

They should do all of that WHILE they defund the damn program.

Cylor on September 15, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Republican lawmakers are growing increasingly frustrated with what they say is a lack of communication from their leaders.

Molly K. Hooper, thehill.com

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Republican CONSTITUENTS are “growing increasingly frustrated” PISSED-OFF at Republican lawmakers for NOT DEFUNDING Obamacare.

listens2glenn on September 15, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Much better for the government to be in charge, then you’ll have coverage, but you will be unable to get treated, and since it is the government and not a private insurance company you will have no Recourse. (that is you cannot sue them)

jaydee_007 on September 15, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Not enough people are hammering on this nail.

AesopFan on September 15, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Time for the Republicans to face facts … trying to defund ObamaCare is a lost cause.

ScottiesRule on September 15, 2013 at 6:51 PM

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Then get in the back of the fight Scottie’, you’re not doing any good up front.
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Only losers believe defunding Obamacare is a “lost cause.”

listens2glenn on September 15, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Probably the same sources who worship the ground “Maverick” walks on…

batter on September 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Probably the same sources who worship the ground “Maverick” walks on…

batter on September 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM

So, John and Lindsey, then.

Cylor on September 15, 2013 at 11:58 PM

I don’t see how we’re any better off after the 2010 elections.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 15, 2013 at 11:59 PM

Some House Republicans pretty “angry” that Boehner can’t get Cruz to shut up and sit down

All I can say is:

Obama’s second cousin for Senate in 2014!

Dusty on September 16, 2013 at 12:05 AM

No, but all of the sudden he is THE target. Why is that? All in all he has been less vocal than Rand Paul and I think Rubio is on board with his views so why is Cruz the villain?

Cindy Munford on September 15, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Because it’s an effective strategy to use against him. He’s a threat to people in power, and he’ll be taken out one way or another. Haven’t you figured that out yet? Cruz’s insolence will not be allowed to stand; his election was an anomaly, and he won’t accomplish much of substance at all before he gets his ass handed to him in a primary.

gryphon202 on September 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM

The term you’re looking for is Palinization. They are starting to do use these anonymously sourced “stories” in the media as warning shots, since he appears to be plotting a 2016 run. We will soon here many of the same “conservatives” who relentlessly mocked and derided her start going to work on Cruz if he continues plans to run for president. The way must be cleared to ensure Christie is properly coronated, after all.

Doomberg on September 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM

The comments from “Republicans” make me sad for the state of my party. I feel like 90% of these comments are liberal trolls. “The RINOs can defund Marxistcare whenever they want to but they are so focused on supporting communism and shredding the Constitution that they don’t even notice the country is collapsing below their feet!!”

Seriously Ed and Allah, I can just imagine you guys sit back and shake your head at all of the stupid that comes out in these comments.

NoStoppingUs on September 16, 2013 at 12:47 AM

ChumpThreads, you are a terrible boor.

Murphy9 on September 16, 2013 at 12:55 AM

The Dems wear full political body armor and carry tactical bazookas while the RINOs come to the fight with a little rubber Halloween knives. Then try to stand their own most effective party member.

Morons, as usual.

profitsbeard on September 16, 2013 at 1:16 AM

stand = stab (above)

profitsbeard on September 16, 2013 at 1:17 AM

As I said upthread, I don’t think “fear” is the right word for it. Loath? Despise? I dunno. But to say that the GOP fears Ted Cruz just doesn’t feel right to me somehow.

gryphon202 on September 15, 2013 at 8:02 PM

I understand your pessimism but in case you hadn’t noticed you aren’t the only one who has woken up to what is going on. You are only one of the latest. As events occur that expose the ruling class malfeasance, more and more people will wake up and eventually we’ll reach a critical mass. I don’t blame you for being pessimistic, but I think there is reason to hope. What if myself and others are successful at waking up over half the country but your efforts dispirit them and squanders any possibility of change for the better?

FloatingRock on September 16, 2013 at 1:36 AM

Cindy Munford on September 15, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I am afraid you are correct.

On both the slipping and the hockey parts.

But less of us are buying what these rinos are selling.

Sherman1864 on September 16, 2013 at 1:38 AM

gryphon202 on September 15, 2013 at 8:02 PM

The ruling class has been trying to palinize Ted Cruz for months and I think he’s stronger now than ever.

FloatingRock on September 16, 2013 at 1:44 AM

The term you’re looking for is Palinization. They are starting to do use these anonymously sourced “stories” in the media as warning shots, since he appears to be plotting a 2016 run. We will soon here many of the same “conservatives” who relentlessly mocked and derided her start going to work on Cruz if he continues plans to run for president. The way must be cleared to ensure Christie is properly coronated, after all.
Doomberg on September 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Ugh, please stop comparing Palin to Cruz.

Palin was an incompetent, inarticulate boob who never stood a chance and who couldn’t even win an Alaska GOP primary today. Palin herself is to blame for her clown status and unelectability as much as her detractors are.

Palin isn’t even fit to shine Cruz’s shoes. Let’s be honest here.

bluegill on September 16, 2013 at 1:50 AM

This ought to be good. It will be fun to see them Palinze someone who was cum laude at Princeton, magna cum laude Harvard Law and Cruz was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review. Aren’t those a little better credentials than their current idol.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2013 at 8:34 PM

What school someone goes to days little about their intelligence.

bluegill on September 16, 2013 at 2:03 AM

Days=says

bluegill on September 16, 2013 at 2:21 AM

Run, Ted, run!

John the Libertarian on September 16, 2013 at 2:32 AM

Cruz should get them to shut down and sit up.

Sherman1864 on September 16, 2013 at 2:41 AM

Ugh, please stop comparing Palin to Cruz.

Palin was an incompetent, inarticulate boob who never stood a chance and who couldn’t even win an Alaska GOP primary today. Palin herself is to blame for her clown status and unelectability as much as her detractors are.

Palin isn’t even fit to shine Cruz’s shoes. Let’s be honest here.

bluegill on September 16, 2013 at 1:50 AM

Shhhh shhhhh… It’s ok. Just show us on the doll where Palin touched you.

Irritable Pundit on September 16, 2013 at 2:56 AM

This a few days ago … explains why these HOR Republicans are ‘angry’ ….

–>>> Ted Cruz: GOP leadership working with Harry Reid to save Obamacare<<<–

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2013/09/10/ted-cruz-gop-leadership-working-with-harry-reid-to-save-obamacare/

Is there ANY DOUBT that this Leader, Sen Ted Cruz, is a member of WE THE PEOPLE, and not ‘we the ruling class’?

Is there ANY DOUBT to whom is his FIRST ALLEGIANCE???

Does he EXPOSE their intentions and CHICANERY, REPEATEDLY, BOLDLY and without blinking an eye???

DEO GRATIAS for this man!

THANK YOU TEXAS!

THANK YOU Madame Steel Spine!

#CruzMissile ———>>>>>> [GOP Establishment] KABOOM!!!

This man has NO FEAR … he is UNFETTERED by any ties to Cronies, by any GOPe ‘deals’ (which is why Boehner wouldn’t even TRY to tell Cruz to shut up … it wouldn’t do any good! HA!)

he can therefore speak his principled mind FREELY

on any issue
in any way
at any time

Look at these recent nut-cracking, crushing quotes:

Ted Cruz: The media “like their Republicans timid and house-trained”

Ted Cruz: GOP’s “Surrender Caucus” is all that stands in the way of defunding Obamacare

Ted Cruz: I’m no military historian, but I’m pretty certain that you lose 100% of the battles you begin by surrendering.

Ted Cruz: You don’t get a $17 trillion debt without a whole lot of bipartisan cooperation.

Ted Cruz: Liberty is never safer than when politicians are terrified

Ted Cruz: There is nothing that scares elected officials more than hearing from their constituents.

Ted Cruz: Sovereignty doesn’t rest with a bunch of politicians.

Ted Cruz: Soldiers didn’t join the U.S. military to “serve as al-Qaeda’s air force”

this truth he speaks is laying the GOPe out in the open air and
FILLETING them …. he is relentlessly forcing these wimpy RINOs back
between a rock and a hard place ……

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE the HE!! outta these B^&%$%s!

YEAH

#GOPeHoppingMAD
#GOPeANXIOUS
#CoupCOMING

#BeClingers ——————-> #AmericaRISING

#WAR ——————–> #CrushROVE (in the 2014 Primary cycle, Patriots)

exodus2011 on September 16, 2013 at 4:36 AM

Cruz is not going to shut up until he thinks it is in his own best interests to do so. That is all he cares about. He can not even be bothered to support other Republicans in their races…and yet he thinks they are supposed to support him? He will go on doing everything he can to hurt Republicans and help the other guys so long as it all works as a good fund raising tool. Notice, that he has not actually done a single thing to slow the growth of government. He belongs to the DeMint model…the kind of thinking that says 30 true conservatives in the Senate is way more cool than a majority of regular icky Republicans…and he is doing his best to make that happen…so long as he is a big fish in that little pond. The Democrats just love this sort of thing.

And Cruz says some pretty dumb stuff.. For instance his remarks about how we need a hundred Jesse Helms…and this was in regards to the new trend to isolationism he and Paul seek. As if that were even true. Two things were true about Helms, he supported segregation and he hated communism. He also co sponsored the Iraqi Liberation Act and fought for the expansion of NATO. He wanted to take Gaddafi out of Libya. He was not at any time the sort of person Cruz seems to think he was. But then revising history is common for Cruz, he also thinks that the Republicans came out ahead in the 90s when they shut the government down. They did not.

I think we have had enough of glib, self serving, charismatic Senators who make their fortunes by telling people what they want to hear. We have one of them in the White House right now, we do not need another.

Terrye on September 16, 2013 at 6:49 AM

Ronald Reagan was so right; my party has left me!

More evidence that at the bottom of all this, the GOP elites, the entrenched for life prima-donna’s in the GOP, are the conservatives’ enemy.
Funding Carl Rove to raise a political army to open warfare against any truly conservative candidates that don’t submit to the “moderate” sex change will be destroyed, is indisputable evidence to rational people.
Bye GOP.

Don L on September 16, 2013 at 7:13 AM

Don’t elections have consequences? The House was made republican to Stop ObamaCare. These losers have dropped the ball!

Greek Fire on September 15, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Elections have consequences you like when you have a party that represents you and that party wins.

The Republican Party doesn’t represent the values of conservatives, or the interests of its 90% white (and usually married and Christian) voters.

The Republican Party represents the interests of big donors like Sheldon Adelson, who out and out says he is a social liberal.

Getting a party elected that doesn’t represent you and that is beholden to people who don’t share your values or your interests is useless.

David Blue on September 16, 2013 at 7:37 AM

NoStoppingUs on September 16, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Thanks for that update from the fever swamp, reprobate.

Murphy9 on September 16, 2013 at 7:50 AM

Love Ted Cruz.

bluegill on September 16, 2013 at 8:11 AM

But the Speaker and Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) opted not to publicly shoot down Cruz’s ideas. Cruz has been subsequently joined by other senators, most notably Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.).

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/322305-angry-house-republicans-say-gop-leaders-need-to-communicate-better#ixzz2f3buvmrK
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This is what we WANT Beohner to do. We don’t want them shooting down their own.

Fleuries on September 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM

They won’t Palinize Cruz. They can’t make him look stupid. They will either go with Cruz is evil!!! or Cruz is creepy/weird!!1 They will probably go with ‘creepy Cruz’ because the base has the mentality of a bunch of kindergartners, and the kids just love alliteration.

bitsy on September 16, 2013 at 8:28 AM

I am one that wants the GOP elites, and GOP establishment named in our blogs. I want to know who has the power to set media agenda. It does not seem to be us. I know for a fact that when our guys do what we like it does not see the light of day in the media, in fact the next headline is usually something to bring us down.

This morning on Fox and Hasselbeck they said that the Obama administration has the most people from journalism ever…setting the spin every day…and our message is not covered and the only news we get is when one of our guys says something that will upset us. Further complicating…the only news our reps get is from the MSM, and sorry, Fox, half the time is printing AP stories verbatim like the gospel including inflection -ary words ( “Mitt Romney’s beleaguered campaign” “Mrs. Clinton’s Popularity,”)

And of course the media that approach our guys feed them lines just like at the debates to get the sound bite they want. I personally don’t think Rubio got a fair deal from the medias, left and right on immigration reform. He could not refuse, and look like he was willing to work on immigration reform, but few on our side would help him look good. And the media was looking from day one to tell conservatives, this bottled water sipping faux hispanic is not your conservative hero. I am just cautious that anything good Rubio said was hidden, and anything that would inflame conservatives and make Schumer sound like a success was played up…and then, again it hurts to see our guys hurt by the likes of Schumer and the liberal Senate who don’t operate in good faith, but intend Bait and Switch.

I have to tell you, that the reason you think Scott Brown is a flaming liberal is because that is the effect the media wanted to have to alienate conservatives. They never printed a word that he said that you would agree with…well except locally here when they wanted to say that Scott Brown wanted “Women to die; votes with republicans 95% of the time.”

It isn’t spin any more it is a dire war of controlling what you get to hear. Fox is letting us down, because they don’t do original journalism, they print the AP headlines and hire young journalists because they are cheap, and they are not all conservatives feeding the newspeople there, but they are cheap.

Fleuries on September 16, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Terrye on September 16, 2013 at 6:49 AM

Sure you are not actually Boehner making this comment?

Welcome to HA, Boehner!

Sherman1864 on September 16, 2013 at 8:31 AM

Terrye on September 16, 2013 at 6:49 AM

You’ve pretty much outed yourself as a total apologist for elitist RINO failure. Frightened failure, too. You must be really scared of Cruz to be equating him to Obama. I see the formula now — any conservative who stands for something and dares challenge the Establishment must be a contemptible egotist. Because, you know, fear. What a joke.

Cruz us proposing actual combat against the media and the Left (RINO anathema! Get the smelling salts!) and taking the case for conservatism to the people, the conservatism the RINO elite have systematically betrayed to the point that the ludicrous event of a Barack Obama became a reality. You’re an anachronism. Romney was RINOism’s last gasp. The Republicans will NEVER win another national election with a RINO. The defections from the party will burst the floodgates.

rrpjr on September 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Overheard, Cruz to Boehner: “You’re not the boss of me!”

Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads. on September 16, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Like to know more about Ted Cruz? I’ve done some in-depth research on him and posted the results on two sites. He’s the real deal – what you see is what you get. Personally, I’m impressed. Here are a link to Pesky Truth: http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2013/09/14/who-is-ted-cruz-really/

Garnet92 on September 16, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Sorry ’bout that – a case of premature-publication. Here’s the other site, if you prefer: http://hardnoxandfriends.com/2013/09/15/who-is-ted-cruz-really/

Garnet92 on September 16, 2013 at 11:07 AM

House Republicans, especially Boehner, should put on their ‘big boy pants’, ‘man up’, ‘STFU’, and adhere to their oaths of office!

Boehner is a gutless wonder who has caved almost every time he has faced off against the Liberals / Obama. He has been acting lately (like Chief Justice Roberts, who re-wrote Obamacare TWICE from the bench to save it) like the NSA has something on him that Obama is using to blackmail him.

And the rest of the ‘Washington Insider’ politicians who are too afraid to do what is right for fear of political and media blowback for doing what is right should STOP trying to bully men of conviction like Cruz into towing the ‘good ol’ boy’ political line and fall into step.

Cruz is refreshing, a politician who does not engage in ‘political theater’ – like Boehner and these GOP who have voted 40 times to end Obamacare when they knew the votes really didn’t matter but who now cower and refuse to act when they actually have the power to do something. God bless Cruz, who knows he neither works for or represents Boehner or any of these other GOP politicians, who knows that he answers to and represents his constituents, who knows his loyalties lie 1st and foremost with what is best for the NATION, not self of Party!

These politicians may be mad that Borhner can’t shut Cruz up…but American Conservative voters are angry that they are even trying to do so!

Perhaps it is finally time for that 3rd Party…the ‘Conservative’ Party…’No RINOs Welcome, No ‘Good ol’ Boy Washington Insiders’ welcome, No Self-Party-1st politicians welcome. If you want to take your oaths of office seriously, will REALLY defend it and enforce the law equally for EVERYONE. if you believe in personal accountability, want what is best for the nation, and will truly represent tyour constituents…’come on in’!

easyt65 on September 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM

I triple dog dare this drunken sop to take on Ted Cruz! Talk about a primary,talk about loss of the Speakership.Please Boehner-do it, fool!

redware on September 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Boehner can’t tell Cruz to sit down and shut up no more than Cruz can tell Boehner to sit down and shut up..Both have different objectives..:)

Dire Straits on September 16, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Rush: They will always tell you who they are most afraid of.

EastofEden on September 16, 2013 at 11:30 AM

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Bmore on September 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM

All anyone opposed to the implementation of Obamacare needs to do is to point out that the (weak) rationale behind the SCOTUS ruling that it is constitutional is that Obamacare is legally susceptible to exactly the kind of de-funding scheme Cruz favors. See, it is congress’ duty to ensure that people’s taxes are being a allocated appropriately.

Knott Buyinit on September 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM

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Bmore on September 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM

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Bmore on September 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Over.

Bmore on September 16, 2013 at 11:59 AM

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