NBC/WSJ poll shows 2:1 opposition to raising the debt ceiling

posted at 8:41 am on September 13, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The polling news hasn’t improved much for Barack Obama, even without a military attack on Syria in the offing.  A new poll from NBC and the Wall Street Journal shows Americans lining up 2:1 against the debt-ceiling increase Obama needs, and his credibility dropping on a wide range of issues:

Americans overwhelmingly do not think Congress should raise the nation’s debt limit as President Barack Obama and Congress prepare once again to wage battle over the issue, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

By a 44-22 percent margin, Americans oppose raising the debt ceiling, which again puts the president in the difficult position of needing to make the case for an unpopular policy with a deadline quickly approaching.

The poll results come as the U.S. Treasury Department says the country will reach its debt limit by mid-October. The Bipartisan Policy Center estimates the limit will be reached by Oct. 18, and the U.S. could default by Nov. 5.

“People’s first instinct is how fed up they are with Washington and spending,” said Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted the poll with Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart. “This is a very difficult issue in terms of public opinion.”

The NBC report also notes that the last time we had a showdown over the debt ceiling, the debate started with similar numbers — 39/28 against raising the debt limit.  After a month had passed, that flipped to 31/38, after a few weeks of being a front-burner issue.  This still leaves Democrats with a big problem, though, because they planned to use Republican opposition to a debt-ceiling increase as an argument for GOP irresponsibility.  Harry Reid has already taken a break from his “OMG Assad is HITLER!” screechifying to call Republicans “anarchists” for that opposition, but that’s a big word to toss around when only 22% of the voters are in your corner.  Republicans won’t refuse to raise the debt ceiling — they’d need a balanced budget for that, and we’re years away from one in anyone’s best plan — but the public sentiment gives them a lot more leverage to gain painful concessions from Obama before approving it.

That’s hardly Obama’s only problem, either. Remember the latest pivot to the economy yesterday?  Chuck Todd says Obama’s not making the sale:

The WSJ has more on those numbers:

The Republican Party is gaining a public-opinion edge on several key issues ahead of the 2014 elections, as Americans question President Barack Obama‘s leadership on Syria and worry about the country’s overall direction, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows.

Republicans are now rated higher than Democrats on handling the economy and foreign policy, and the GOP’s lead has strengthened on several other issues, including dealing with the federal deficit and ensuring a strong national defense.

On topics such as health care, Democrats have seen their long-standing advantage whittled to lows not seen in years.

The poll also reflected unease over the economy. Just 27% of Americans think the economy will improve over the next year, the lowest since July 2012, while nearly two-thirds think the country is on the wrong track.

The public tilt on several issues in favor of the GOP, particularly among independents, comes as Mr. Obama’s own job-approval rating has hovered around 45% for three months, a tenuous place for a president trying to build support for likely battles with Congress over possible military action in Syria, a proposed overhaul of immigration law and the budget.

Democrats have now lost the foreign-policy edge they gained over George W. Bush on Iraq.  Republicans have a seven-point lead over Obama on that area. Their once huge lead on health care has now dwindled down to single digits. During the Bush administration, Democrats had an edge of more than 20 points on the federal deficit; now Republicans have a double-digit lead there, too.

Add all of that to the faceplant this week on Syria, and Obama goes into the budget fight in the weakest state of his presidency.  Can Republicans leverage that into a win over ObamaCare that at least delays the onset until the midterms give them more power to dismantle it?


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And yet Bo(eh)ner, Ryan, and the rest of El Partido Republicano Legado will get nothing for their rolling over on the debt ceiling.

Steve Eggleston on September 13, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Too bad our leaders in Congress are too lame to take those leads and run with them.

Kevin71 on September 13, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Too bad Americans by the score had to sit unemployed for five years for NBC News to notice the problem. Sadly, the news people probably blame themselves; instead of blaming the rotten-to-the-core policies of the Democrats, with all their crony energy grants, appointments of people like a feminist educator to run the Navy, redistributionist economic plans etc (all of which give Chuck Todd tingles of his own), the NBC News people will blame “inadequate messaging”. That’s right- what we need, say Chuck and his friends, is more propaganda. More education of the masses by the elite.

You watch…..propaganda cranking up right now.

MTF on September 13, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Democrats have now lost the foreign-policy edge they gained over George W. Bush on Iraq.

I was thinking about this yesterday. Why is it only now (and such a surprise to the lapdogs) that the thin-skinned rat sucks at foreign affairs? My take is that Syria really was the first time he was tested as a world leader and, instead of acting like a leader, he voted present. Any other ideas?

This, of course, now spills over to domestic issues because the man behind the curtain has been exposed. There is really no going back to the carefully crafted media persona that won the filthy bastard two terms as President. Well, one anyway, I’m convinced the second election was a complete fraud.

Happy Nomad on September 13, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Republicans now lead on economy, foreign policy.

No we don’t. Boehner is still the Speaker of the House.

NotCoach on September 13, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Can Republicans leverage that into a win over ObamaCare that at least delays the onset until the midterms give them more power to dismantle it?

Come on Ed. You know better.

Boner is ready to weep. Any minute now…

antisocial on September 13, 2013 at 8:53 AM

CLOWN……….CAR.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-calls-republicans-neanderthals_753935.html


Biden Calls Republicans ‘Neanderthals’

Says he understands ‘the Senate better than any man or women who’s ever served in there.’

I’m actually encouraged that Harry Reid said the gop was being taken over by “Anarchists” and now the VP Clown chimes in with this.

PappyD61 on September 13, 2013 at 8:53 AM

All these polls and I bet Obama would still win re-election. :/

Tuari on September 13, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Wall Street Journal………pro-Amnesty rag.

If you really want a poll that counts try the elections last November when America decided it would rather have the underperforming minority teenager than the rich white boss that didn’t really want to get the job he was interviewing for.

THAT poll had consequences.

PappyD61 on September 13, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Can Republicans leverage that into a win over ObamaCare that at least delays the onset until the midterms give them more power to dismantle it?

No. Thanks to establishment “Republicans” who sneer at any effort of defunding by calling it the suicide coalition. Republicans could make some legislative gains if they were not led by bastards like Boehner and Cantor in the House.

Happy Nomad on September 13, 2013 at 8:56 AM

This will just make it all the more painful when Boner and Co cave to Harry and Barry.

PaddyORyan on September 13, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Politicians always quoting the American people….do these count?

lilium479 on September 13, 2013 at 8:57 AM

And yet, Republican “Leadership” still refuses to press their advantage. I swear at times I wonder if Boehner is really just a Democrat Mole.

mitchellvii on September 13, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Are the baby boomers finally out numbered?
You cannot prevent the boomers from getting the fruits of labor of the children they failed to abort! You must raise the debt limit! They are entitled to the slave labors of others. Raise the debt limit and make sure they are not forced to face the full consequences of their actions!

astonerii on September 13, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Republicans now lead on economy, foreign policy.

Ed, you funny man.

davidk on September 13, 2013 at 8:58 AM

And it only took 5 years of utter incompetence and destruction to sway these people.

Bishop on September 13, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Keep in mind that we have maxed out our national credit card on May 17th and the Treasury has been using “extraordinary measures” to continue borrowing money from other sources which are not considered subject to the debt limit… essentially we have been on overdraft for nearly four months, and we’re getting close to having nowhere else to borrow from.

Since that “extaordinary measures” borrowing will be immediately repaid and made whole as soon as the debt limit is raised, our true national debt is already well over the current debt limit. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $17.2 Trillion, even though the Daily Treasury Statements have claimed that the debt subject to the legal limit has remained at exactly $16,699,396,000,000–or about $25 million below the legal limit–every day since May 17.

Dems are going to claim, right before the Columbus Day congressional break, that if the Republicans don’t do exactly what the Democrats want at the 11th hour, then the U.S. will DEFAULT during that recess. Count on these last minute tactics by the Democrats to get what they want from the negotiation.

ITguy on September 13, 2013 at 9:01 AM

The polling news hasn’t improved much for Barack Obama, even without a military attack on Syria in the offing.

Mr. President, you’ve got an email from David Axelrod, he say’s you need another wag the dog real soon—like right now!

Rovin on September 13, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Superstitous?:

davidk on September 13, 2013 at 9:00 AM

No. Not at least in a friggatriskaidekaphobia sense. But I was born on a Friday 13th. My parents, who were not expecting twins, might have a different take.

Happy Nomad on September 13, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Mr. President, you’ve got an email from David Axelrod, he say’s you need another wag the dog real soon—like right now!

Rovin on September 13, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Say…. It appears that Bermuda over-waters their golf course greens. Let’s kick their ass!

Happy Nomad on September 13, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Alternate Headline: Democrats ONLY Excel At Getting People Out To Vote.

hillsoftx on September 13, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Look, I think if any conservative came out and told the truth, Americans would like that. We saw when mittens made that 47% quote. Sure he got flamed by the bag carrying media, but I know people watching and heard that knew it was the truth…

I to this day want obamacare to fully kick in if they are not going to outright repeal it. De-funding still does not mean its not law. Enough people are starting to see and wake up and they are not liking what they see. The real Republicans can grab hold of this and run and could at the very least have 8 years to right the ship, or try to.

Then I wake up and realizes the the party puts forth guys like McCain and Mittens… now I realize why they lose.

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Now imagine if we had real leadership in the House and Senate GOP. You know, the kind that actually understood how utterly insane it would be to pass an amnesty bill.

Doughboy on September 13, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Republicans now lead on economy, foreign policy.

“Lead” is an exaggeration. “Trail in unpopularity” might be nearer the mark.

David Blue on September 13, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Doughboy on September 13, 2013 at 9:12 AM

I think the right leaning liberals and indies dont care too much for the immigration thing either.
All the republicans need to do is point out past promises from the democrats about “legalize now secure we promise later”.

Look at Walker here in WI, he told everyone exactly what he wanted to do and did it. Now the guy is popular as ever. Sure we might not totally like all he stands for, like immigration, but I do think he would not do anything rash to harm this country…. he would get the house in order first.

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 9:16 AM

The polls. They are so racist.

/On the bright side, Sandra Fluke has all the rubbers she’ll ever need for the rest of her life. And, free tampons!

Key West Reader on September 13, 2013 at 9:18 AM

A common theme in these comments is the belief that the GOP is too feckless, cowardly, and inept to exploit their advantage and Obama’s weakness.

If we had some actual leadership in the GOP we could crush the Democrats next year but my biggest fear is that the refusal of the GOP to fight the Leftists will cause conservatives to sit home.

Charlemagne on September 13, 2013 at 9:18 AM

LOL they think its bad now wait till Obamacare fully kicks in.

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Democrats have now lost the foreign-policy edge they gained over George W. Bush on Iraq. Republicans have a seven-point lead over Obama on that area. Their once huge lead on health care has now dwindled down to single digits.

Ed: Who does their refer to? The WSJ link is behind a paywall. I suspect that their refers to Democrats, but the immediately preceding reference to a political party is to Republicans. And help us out–give us a percentage for the “once huge lead” and a percentage for “single digits” lead. On the latter score, there’s a noteworthy difference between 9% and 2%.

BuckeyeSam on September 13, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Charlemagne on September 13, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Thats why Obama got re elected. Then to think of McCain, Mittens… same as obama as we see.

Then toss in guys like Rubio, dude from Jersey… I mean is the GOP that stupid and can not figure this stuff out?

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 9:23 AM

I think I’ll borrow a couple million dollars from my local bank to purchase an oceanside estate. After that ill never make a single mortgage payment. Eventually when the bank decides to foreclose, I’ll ask them for another couple million to buy another home. I’m certain they will approve the second loan, right?

Why shouldn’t I be able to get the same sweet deal as our government ?

fogw on September 13, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Why shouldn’t I be able to get the same sweet deal as our government ?

fogw on September 13, 2013 at 9:23 AM

You can, just convince 50%+1 of the voters to say so.

astonerii on September 13, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Add all of that to the faceplantstunning triple face plant whilst jumping the shark in a tu-tu this week on Syria, and Obama goes into the budget fight in the weakest state of his presidency.

/Tee hee.

Key West Reader on September 13, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Republicans? What Republicans?
That headline only means that people are starting to see through the Democrats.
There is no leadership in Republicans.
I think Barky would win re election today too. Whatever the left did to that election can be done again.

ORconservative on September 13, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Charlemagne on September 13, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Translation: Actual messaging by the GOP and the RNC is pathetically inept.

Rovin on September 13, 2013 at 9:27 AM

fogw on September 13, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Good luck trying to explain that to a typical liberal. I spent a few hours yesterday trying and it was like me talking to a wall, among being called a racist, all the fun names liberals toss at you when you question dear leader or any liberal idea.

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Yet, I’m sure the GOP will somehow throw those advantages away. Count on it.

changer1701 on September 13, 2013 at 9:35 AM

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Racist. If you are not a liberal or a progressive or an Obama Supporter (TM) then you are a racist. Get the memo for $2.99 when you sign up for your raffle ticket to dine with Obama

/Racist.

Key West Reader on September 13, 2013 at 9:37 AM

“Wow…We lead on foreign policy and the economy?…This is great news…Let’s import cheap foreign labor to replace american labor”
- GOP

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 9:40 AM

“Wow…We lead on foreign policy and the economy?…This is great news…Let’s import cheap foreign labor to replace american labor”
- GOP

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Marco?

Key West Reader on September 13, 2013 at 9:41 AM

I forgot to mention I trashed the first home.

Do I still get the second loan?

Harry, Nancy, anyone?

fogw on September 13, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Republicans held majority control (holding 2+ out of 3 of the House, Senate, and Presidency) from January 3, 1995 to January 2, 2007 and were majority responsible for the FY 1996 to FY 2007 budgets. Over those 12 continuous years of Republican majority control (FY 1996-2007), the total national debt increased from $4.974 Trillion to $9.008 Trillion, an increase of $4.034 Trillion over 12 years, for an average of $0.336 Trillion new debt per year.

The Democrats have held majority control (holding 2+ out of 3 of the House, Senate, and Presidency) since January 3, 2007, and are majority responsible for the FY 2008 to FY 2013 budgets (and have failed to pass a budget since FY 2009). Our true total national debt right now is around $17.2 Trillion.

Republican majorities added $4 Trillion to the national debt over 12 fiscal years (FY 1996-2007).

Democrat majorities added about $8.2 Trillion to the national debt over just 6 fiscal years (FY 2008-2013).

Democrat majorities have added over twice the debt, in half the time.

Democrat majorities are deficit spending at OVER FOUR TIMES THE RATE of their republican majority predecessors.

In the Democrats’ view,
$5 Trillion +$4 Trillion = $9 Trillion: BAD (when it was Clinton, Bush and Republican majorities), but
$9 Trillion +$8.2 Trillion = $17.2 Trillion: GOOD (when it was Democrat majorities doing it under Bush and Obama).

ITguy on September 13, 2013 at 9:49 AM

ITguy on September 13, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Didnt you hear? They HAVE to do it in order to turn around the economy and get it out of the recession! You know the one they claim is over and we are full bore into a recovery?

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Let’s go back to what the Democrats put in writing in 2006, when they thought then-current deficits (like $248 Billion in FY 2006) were a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE…

Over the past decade, the Republican controlled Congress took our nation in the wrong direction. Too many Americans are paying a heavy price for those wrong choices: record costs for energy, health care and education; jobs shipped overseas; and budgets that heap record debt on our children. For millions, the middle-class dream has been replaced by a middle-class squeeze…

Democrats are proposing a New Direction for America…

With integrity, civility and fiscal discipline, our New Direction for America will use commonsense principles to address the aspirations and fulfill the hopes and dreams of all Americans. That is our promise to the American people….

Our federal budget should be a statement of our national values. One of those values is responsibility. Democrats are committed to ending years of irresponsible budget policies that have produced historic deficits. Instead of piling trillions of dollars of debt onto our children and grandchildren, we will restore “Pay As You Go” budget discipline.

Budget discipline has been abandoned by the Bush Administration and its Republican congressional majorities. Congress under Republican control has turned a projected $5.6 trillion 10-year surplus at the end of the Clinton years into a nearly $3 trillion deficit– including the four worst deficits in the history of America. The nation’s debt ceiling has been raised four times in just five years to more than $8.9 trillion. Nearly half of our nation’s record debt is owned by foreign countries including China and Japan. Without a return to fiscal discipline, the foreign countries that make our computers, our clothing and our toys will soon be making our foreign policy. Deficit spending is not just a fiscal problem – it’s a national security issue as well.

Our New Direction is committed to “Pay As You Go” budgeting – no more deficit spending.

Pelosi promised no more deficit spending. Pelosi promised that both in writing (above) and live on C-SPAN:

After years of historic deficits, this 110th Congress will commit itself to a higher standard: pay-as-you-go, no new deficit spending. Our new America will provide unlimited opportunity for future generations, not burden them with mountains of debt.

- New Speaker Nancy Pelosi, 01/04/2007

In 2008, Obama made deficit spending a campaign issue:

“The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.

- Barack Obama July 3, 2008

Again, in the Democrats’ view:

$5 Trillion +$4 Trillion = $9 Trillion: BAD (when it was Clinton, Bush and Republican majorities over 12 years, FY 1996-2007), but

$9 Trillion +$8.2 Trillion = $17.2 Trillion: GOOD (when it was Democrat majorities doing it under Bush and Obama over 6 years, FY 2008-2013).

ITguy on September 13, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Meaningless. The GOP will still not fight. Opposition to the debt ceiling and Obamacare could be 99%. The GOP will not fight.

Obama could sink to 10% popularity and they still won’t fight.

They will not defund Obamacare. They will lie to us a thousand times over to avoid defunding it. In fact, they will do whatever necessary to fund it.

Did you know the GOP establishment opposed the recalls in Colorado?

This party is driven by fear, and the lower Obama goes in the polls and the greater polling edge they gain will only increase their fear.

This isn’t really a political party at all anymore, it’s a just a mass of fear and self-loathing, no longer operating according to any recognizable set of values or political principles of achievement outside of survival though appeasement to its phantoms.

rrpjr on September 13, 2013 at 9:55 AM

rrpjr on September 13, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Only answer is a return to federalism and strip Washington of all the powers it has usurped over the last 150+ years. Washington is incapable of reforming itself.

Charlemagne on September 13, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Didnt you hear? They HAVE to do it in order to turn around the economy and get it out of the recession! You know the one they claim is over and we are full bore into a recovery?

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 9:52 AM

I get the /sarc, but the economy was in recovery (thanks to the 2003 Bush Tax Cuts), not recession, on January 3, 2007 when Nancy Pelosi took control of the House and Harry Reid (along with then-Senators Obama, Biden, Clinton, etc.) took control of the Senate.

Democrats “inherited” an employment-population ratio of 63.4% and a FY 2007 deficit of under $161 Billion.

Democrat majorities sent spending through the roof.

Democrat majorities raised the minimum wage 3 times in 3 years.

Democrat majorities resisted Republican attempts to reform Fannie & Freddie before it was too late, while the Democrats insisted there were not any “safety and soundness issues”.

Democrat majorities inherited a good economy and a shrinking deficit in 2007, and proceeded to drive the economy into the ditch and then leave it in the ditch for the last 4 years.

ITguy on September 13, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Obama job rating on econ upside down for 5th poll in a row. And now more folks say GOP better than Dems at “dealing with economy”

Make that right side down, Chuck. The results are now unassailable and it should have been like that early on but for the media propping it up with false advertising.

Dusty on September 13, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Folks walked into the polls in 2012 believing in their hearts that the Democrats had saved them from Bush’s surveillance state. That the few Tea Partiers suspicious of the extra scrutiny were just posturing for the cameras in an election year. That foreign policy had been more deftly handled to where free birth control pills was a more pressing issue. That women’s groups and the peace movement were protecting the rights of people, not exploiting their constituencies for partisan purposes.

In nine short months, it is hard to imagine the absolute destruction of the tropes and lies Democrats have used for eighty years to gain and stay in office. I bet they wish Romney had won *now,* don’t they?

Sekhmet on September 13, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Charlemagne on September 13, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Lois Lerner. Shhhhh.

Key West Reader on September 13, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Which assures me that we’ll be raising the debt ceiling. AND we’ll be getting an internet tax, because the majority opposes that, too.

scalleywag on September 13, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Superstitous?:

davidk on September 13, 2013 at 9:00 AM

No. Not at least in a friggatriskaidekaphobia sense. But I was born on a Friday 13th. My parents, who were not expecting twins, might have a different take.

Happy Nomad on September 13, 2013 at 9:05 AM

What?! There’s two of you out there?

davidk on September 13, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Don’t you get it by now. The R Establishment knows what’s best for all of us. They are dem lite for a reason, they believe it’s the best direction for the country. It’s just that those silly foreigners have now made dear leader, peace be upon him, look bad so naturally the only thing to do is appear tough on the econ, debt, guns, amnesty(just a little there), voting laws and any other distraction that comes along. They don’t want us to worry our pretty little heads about any of this stuff, really. They’ll choose the most electable pol out there to run and then lose, again. They find it difficult to believe there’s any adults who still care about running the country as a constitutional republic anymore.

Kissmygrits on September 13, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Republicans now lead on economy, foreign policy.

But the media will tell you that republicans are mean and Harry Reid will call us Anarchists.

And still others hoping to hijack the party for Ron Paul will say that America deserves to be repaid for meddling in the middle east, will continue to encourage us not to have faith in our party. They win, when republicans look bad.

Fleuries on September 13, 2013 at 10:41 AM

“The public tilt on several issues in favor of the GOP, particularly among independents” comes in spite of the fact the the GOP as it stands today can’t seem to stand their ground on conservative issues and hasn’t found a voice when it comes to telling the conservative story. There fixed it for you.

landowner on September 13, 2013 at 11:01 AM

In nine short months, it is hard to imagine the absolute destruction of the tropes and lies Democrats have used for eighty years to gain and stay in office. I bet they wish Romney had won *now,* don’t they?

Sekhmet on September 13, 2013 at 10:16 AM

I said in 2008 that the only real way to destroy the Left was to give them power. The problem is, everything else gets destroyed too.

rrpjr on September 13, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Keep in mind that we have maxed out our national credit card on May 17th and the Treasury has been using “extraordinary measures” to continue borrowing money from other sources which are not considered subject to the debt limit… essentially we have been on overdraft for nearly four months, and we’re getting close to having nowhere else to borrow from.

Since that “extaordinary measures” borrowing will be immediately repaid and made whole as soon as the debt limit is raised, our true national debt is already well over the current debt limit. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $17.2 Trillion, even though the Daily Treasury Statements have claimed that the debt subject to the legal limit has remained at exactly $16,699,396,000,000–or about $25 million below the legal limit–every day since May 17.

Dems are going to claim, right before the Columbus Day congressional break, that if the Republicans don’t do exactly what the Democrats want at the 11th hour, then the U.S. will DEFAULT during that recess. Count on these last minute tactics by the Democrats to get what they want from the negotiation.

ITguy on September 13, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Here ya go: As I have written recently, the Obama regime is already using pension money to manipulate the so-called debt ceiling, namely the Thrift Savings Plan money, which is the government 401(k) equivalent for government employees, government retirees and the U.S. military. Yeah, all of these US military officers who are “going along to get along” so they can “make it eight more years until I get my pension” are chasing money that is already gone…

They will come for private pensions, IRA’s and 40XK’s soon as well. There’s just too much money there to be ignored and they have the power.

slickwillie2001 on September 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM

The land is scroomed from both sides.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Beginning to look like Jug Ear’s chickens are all coming home to roost at the same time.

GarandFan on September 13, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Not to worry as soon as O and his minions start using that Tea word public opinion will change in a heart beat. Nothing like a Strawman. And I wouldn’t count Bush out just yet, hes always a good scapegoat for these idiots.

DDay on September 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Actually – given there is not much the GOP can do until 2014, they have done a fine job allowing Obama to self destruct. They got the sequester which ended up hurting no one but democrat chicken littles. They gave Obama his few new taxes and locked in the Bush tax cuts permanently for most of the rest of us. Boehner has resisted democrat calls to ram through immigration, and budget bills the majority of the GOP do not want.

Its a weak hand to play – but they have managed to marginalize Reid in the Senate and expose Obama – who manages to really screw himself up on Syria.

Obamacare? What can you do. I think they should be pushing to extend the individual mandate out to 2015 along with the employer. CAll it fairness.

Defunding is a pipe dream. They can’t even if they shut down the govt it won’t stop Obamacare funding. Love the sentiment – but it won’t work. Now could a govt shutdown end up reducing spending with a deal to maintain the current baseline with zero increase or maybe even some real cuts? That it might be able to do. How about going after the EPA?

Zomcon JEM on September 13, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Obama used to oppose such things.

CW on September 13, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Meaningless. The GOP will still not fight. Opposition to the debt ceiling and Obamacare could be 99%. The GOP will not fight.

Obama could sink to 10% popularity and they still won’t fight.

They will not defund Obamacare. They will lie to us a thousand times over to avoid defunding it. In fact, they will do whatever necessary to fund it.

Did you know the GOP establishment opposed the recalls in Colorado?

This party is driven by fear, and the lower Obama goes in the polls and the greater polling edge they gain will only increase their fear.

This isn’t really a political party at all anymore, it’s a just a mass of fear and self-loathing, no longer operating according to any recognizable set of values or political principles of achievement outside of survival though appeasement to its phantoms.

rrpjr on September 13, 2013 at 9:55 AM

And when Boehner throws Obama a rope and pre-emptively surrenders, Ed will post about it telling us how there really wasn’t anything else he could do.

Cylor on September 14, 2013 at 1:54 PM