AFL-CIO official on amnesty: “If Congress doesn’t move, the president has a duty to act”

posted at 6:41 pm on September 13, 2013 by Allahpundit

Fans of immigration reform have been nudging Obama for months to consider some sort of legalization via executive order, if only to show Congress that there’s no off-ramp on the road to amnesty this time. Some of his pro-reform congressional allies like Marco Rubio have been happy to trumpet the point themselves. Now, with the fall calendar filling up with other business and House immigration players having accomplished zippo during the August recess, this may move from saber-rattling to something reform proponents want serious action on. They’re nervous that the momentum for reform is gone, and not without reason.

Does President Bumblefark dare go nuclear with a unilateral amnesty?

“If Congress doesn’t move, the president has a duty to act,” said Ana Avendano, director of immigration and community action at the AFL-CIO. “Just because the Republicans have buried their heads in the sand doesn’t mean that immigrant communities aren’t feeling the sting of constant deportations.”…

I think that’s actually what Obama wants to do. I think he wants Congress not to pass something so he can do it on his own and he can take credit for it,” Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho, said in an interview. “He needs to be very careful, though, because he continues to flout the law, and he continues to do things that are beyond his authority. And at some point, Congress is going to have enough.”…

That’s not stopping immigrant advocates from gaming out scenarios the administration could pursue, such as granting legal status to targeted groups of immigrants, perhaps to people who have been in the country for a long time or whose children are U.S. citizens.

“It’s very clear that from advocates’ perspective, if legislation fails, we definitely will need to start pressuring the administration to act,” said Marielena Hincapie, executive director of the National Immigration Law Center.

If Obama wanted the credit for amnesty all to himself, he would have done this already. In that sense, it’s just like Syria: The One’s perfectly happy to act unilaterally, with no legal justification whatsoever, on war in Libya or suspending ObamaCare’s employer mandate if he thinks it’s a net gain (or at least a push) for him politically. He went to Congress on Syria because he didn’t want to be out on the limb of ordering an unpopular, risky attack all alone. Same here. If amnesty by executive fiat was all upside, he’d do it in a second, legal or not. But it’s not all upside; there’s a risk of a nasty backlash across various demographics, including blue-collar voters and independents, that could cripple Democrats in the midterms. I bet he’s especially nervous about that after seeing those two gun-grabbing state senators in Colorado get smoked in the recalls this week. If you’re going to press a hot button, even one that polls in your favor generally, prepare for unpredictably fierce opposition at the polls. Democrats have a lot to worry about already next November; a massive presidential power grab in favor of normalizing illegals while citizens struggle with the new reality of part-time work in post-ObamaCare America is … unhelpful, especially in light of those Gallup numbers from earlier this afternoon.

So yeah, O wants congressional Republicans on the hook with him for this, partly for fear of a backlash to amnesty and partly in case, as everyone expects, the border security “improvements” go nowhere and the public start noticing. Does his calculus change, though, in 2015 or 2016, ahead of a presidential election? Democrats will be warmer to the idea two years from now because they know there’ll be many more Latinos at the polls for a presidential vote than there’ll be for the midterms. The wider public will be distracted with the primaries and the various other policy issues around which the general election is coalescing. That’s one of the reasons Obama’s de facto amnesty for DREAMers last year went down relatively smoothly with the electorate — it’s not only that DREAMers are a particularly sympathetic class of illegals, it’s that voters had a ton on their plate to consider and a news cycle in hyperdrive to change the subject because of the presidential race. If you’re going to do something insanely bold like legalize illegals with an executive order, you’d want to do your best to hide it in a crowd of other issues. And, just as naturally, you wouldn’t want to do it at a moment when both parties think you look like a clown who’s getting rolled by the president of Russia and a tinpot Arab dictator every day of the week. This is a “strong horse” political play, not a “horse that keeps running headfirst into walls” one.

This is something to worry about as we get closer to 2016 and as the lame duck gets lamer, with progressively less to lose by doing it. Which is why I expect, if the GOP takes back the Senate next year, they’ll try to cut him off at the pass in 2015 by pushing immigration reform on their terms, when they have the numbers in Congress to apply extra pressure to O. Will they produce something tougher than the Gang of Eight did in the Senate? No way to know yet, but I know how I’m betting. Exit question: When do we start hearing from Republicans what the penalties for O will be if he does something unilateral? I can understand not wanting to broach the subject at all in the interest of not fueling public awareness of this as a legit option, but Rubio and Labrador have broached it. If you’re going to bring it up, at least do a little saber-rattling in response.


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Does the union boss know he pushing for something against his own interest?

mwbri on September 13, 2013 at 6:46 PM

AFL-CIO official on amnesty: “If Congress doesn’t move, the president has a duty to act”

“…just make him dictator for five years. Five little years.”

Akzed on September 13, 2013 at 6:46 PM

If he isn’t very careful, the little dictator will far overstep his bounds.

rplat on September 13, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Obama is Syria-sly snakebit. Getting him to do anything unilaterally without being able to blame any failure on Republicans would not suit President Present well, IMHO.

txmomof6 on September 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM

California is now going to give drivers licenses to illegals. That’s reprehensible. That way, illegals can drive to work with a clean conscious…with the caveat by the state that they can’t use those licenses to apply for a job or benefits. *epic facepalm*

Look, I’m all for some “pathway to citizenship” as much as those words, not to mention the ill-defined “amnesty” term, strike conservatives right in the neck. I’m with ya…but, as I’ve always said, anything short of immediate deportation can be defined as “amnesty”. And it is absolutely logistically impossible to do that. IMPOSSIBLE.

So with that, something has to be done. Letting this debate drag on and on and on only makes things worse. Let’s do something at least constructive, and not toss every conservative rep or senator we have under the bus for daring speak the “A” word.

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 6:50 PM

If Congress doesn’t move, the president has a duty no constitutional authority to act

FIFY

CapnObvious on September 13, 2013 at 6:51 PM

“If Congress doesn’t move, the president has a duty to act,” said Ana Avendano, director of immigration and community action at the AFL-CIO.

Gee…Why Stop there…He should make himself King!

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 6:52 PM

If you’re going to do something insanely bold like legalize illegals with an executive order, you’d want to do your best to hide it in a crowd of other issues.

He cannot permanently legalise them unilaterally.

Resist We Much on September 13, 2013 at 6:53 PM

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Again with the strawmen.

A Balrog of Morgoth on September 13, 2013 at 6:53 PM

You are under the assumption the Republican’s will gain next year. Your assumption is very flawed.

Mr. Arrogant on September 13, 2013 at 6:53 PM

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Its easy. Very few public officials have said it.
Secure the boarder FIRST .
Then in a few years we come back to see how its doing.
If working on the flow, figure out how to speed up the immigration process.

Its that simple.

Instead, they want to legalize now with promises later bulshat and have not learn one thing. We will be here talking about this same issue again in 20 years.

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 6:54 PM

California is now going to give drivers licenses to illegals.
JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 6:50 PM

It will be interesting to see if other states have to recognize the validity of those drivers licenses.

The CA illegals might want to confine their driving to their residential Gulag aka Californistan.

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Personally, I don’t think folks will be ‘distracted’ come the 2016 elections.

They are well aware they got SCREWED with the amnesty given back during the Reagan years.

“There will be NO more amnesty. We WILL secure our borders.”

Well the politicians didn’t. AND people remember that.

If Obama really wants to be impeached, let him declare a blanket amnesty.

As for the ‘amnesty crowd’ – it’s “Laws? We don’t need no stinking laws!”

Until it’s convenient.

GarandFan on September 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Resist We Much on September 13, 2013 at 6:53 PM

And who is going to stop him? Mr cry baby? Cantor? LOL your dreaming.

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 6:56 PM

but, as I’ve always said, anything short of immediate deportation can be defined as “amnesty”. And it is absolutely logistically impossible to do that. IMPOSSIBLE.

Well, considering everywhere e-verify is enforced and benefits are actually denied according to the law instead of flaunted by hispandering politicians, illegals immediately self-deport… Then the definition of “IMPOSSIBLE” must be “completely simple, easy, and likely.”

But good try citizen, a dictionary may be useful for your next attempt.

CapnObvious on September 13, 2013 at 6:57 PM

“We have to do something!” from the guy who fapped the site for Charlie freakin Crist.

A Balrog of Morgoth on September 13, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Amnesty betrays the working class of legal American citizens, of whom many are already struggling to keep their jobs, some struggling to maintain a 40 hour work week job and many just struggling to find a job. It’s elitist and an attack on everyday citizens

journeymike on September 13, 2013 at 6:57 PM

When I met my wife, she wasn’t an American citizen. Before we got married, she became one.

WE F****** ALREADY HAVE A PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP!

Treasonous shits.

Bruce MacMahon on September 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM

….Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho, said in an interview. “He needs to be very careful, though, because he continues to flout the law, and he continues to do things that are beyond his authority. And at some point, Congress is going to have enough.”…

Stop it…STOP IT!

You are killing me!

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHh……

Tenwheeler on September 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Does President Bumblefark dare go nuclear with a unilateral amnesty?

The filthy bastard is only brave when he thinks others have his back. That’s why Syria was so fun. He goes out on that limb saber rattling thinking he had allies with him. Then he looks around. No UK. Nobody but France which is well behind and looking like it is about to bolt.

Besides, can he really get away with declaring amnesty by himself? At some point, the illegals are going to come up against THE LAW.

Happy Nomad on September 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Worth a Repeat…

“Companies lay off thousands, then demand immigration reform for new labor”

http://washingtonexaminer.com/companies-lay-off-thousands-then-demand-immigration-reform-for-new-labor/article/2535595

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 7:01 PM

The separation of powers means nothing to these people. Their understanding of the law is minimal, to say the least.

How is it that the nation should make exception to the law, and grant exception to the law, to those who have willfully shattered the law, for the sake of those for no regard for the rule of law?

No.

The rule of law must be preserved, the law must be enforced, the nation’s sovereignty must be maintained, and the citizens must be protected from the predation of illegal aliens and those who would use those illegal aliens to serve their own selfish ends.

thatsafactjack on September 13, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Don’t forget…. In CA, illegals can serve on juries, vacuum out fetuses without an MD license, and get in-state tuition at public universities.

oceansidecon on September 13, 2013 at 7:03 PM

When I met my wife, she wasn’t an American citizen. Before we got married, she became one.

WE F****** ALREADY HAVE A PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP!

Treasonous shits.

Bruce MacMahon on September 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Agreed and for those that scream racism we have about a million people become Americans legally and MOST are people of color.

CW on September 13, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Well, considering everywhere e-verify is enforced and benefits are actually denied according to the law instead of flaunted by hispandering politicians, illegals immediately self-deport… Then the definition of “IMPOSSIBLE” must be “completely simple, easy, and likely.”

But good try citizen, a dictionary may be useful for your next attempt.

CapnObvious on September 13, 2013 at 6:57 PM

It’s far more than simply deportation logistics. So many illegals who have been here for a number of years, have children, jobs, businesses, pay taxes (most do), etc. Do you want to be the one tell those kids that you’re going to take their mother, put her on a plane, or a bus, or whatever, and send her thousands of miles away forever? I wish I could adequately explain how difficult it is for someone to get “back in” to this country the legal way.

And I’m not talking simply about jumping a fence from Mexico…more than half of illegals in the US came here legally…and just overstayed their visas. You can’t just go down to an office somewhere and “renew” a visa…you have to go back home, wait what could be years, and only then be able to legally return here.

I’m with most of you…illegal is illegal. Pocketing a roll of Certs and walking out of the 7-11 with ‘em without paying is illegal. And it’s illegal to steal a high-priced automobile. But the punishment is nowhere near the same if you’re caught. Illegals are the same way…there are varying degrees of “illegal”. There are those who screw around, steal, make trouble, and those who have families, are hard-working, and actually contribute to society.

They cannot all be treated as if they’re the worst of the worst criminals equally.

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 7:08 PM

When I met my wife, she wasn’t an American citizen. Before we got married, she became one.

WE F****** ALREADY HAVE A PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP!

Bruce MacMahon on September 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM

What do you really think? ;)

And you are exactly right. Getting more illegals into the workforce isn’t the way to deal with labor problems.

Happy Nomad on September 13, 2013 at 7:09 PM

the Syria thing might actually blow back onto the domestic side. If barry feels that he has been dissed, then he’ll try to regain his cred with the left and his media.

immigration fits with that. Legacy, etc. The serious calculation is will he get the House in 2014…that is all he cares about. He might be cautious if the polls in swing districts run against him. After 2014, he’ll do what he has to. If Rs hold the house, well he’ll do it by other means

same with climate stuff.

Trumpka’s demand is pretty outrageous, btw. My bet is that barry will give them some $$$$$ because of 2014. While Rs quibble about funding, the unions are going for the bucks…directly.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/13/trumka-calls-for-obamacare-concessions-for-unions-after-white-house-meeting/

Rs have caught on…but unlikely they can stop it. And, btw…this may be tied into the AFL-CIO saying you can join even if you are not a worker.

game this out. AFL-CIO is privileged wrt obama.care…anyone can join the union..and therefore gain privileges. Right…just my fevered mind, i know

r keller on September 13, 2013 at 7:10 PM

It will be interesting to see if other states have to recognize the validity of those drivers licenses.

The CA illegals might want to confine their driving to their residential Gulag aka Californistan.

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Good point…I wonder if this will, or won’t, fall under “full faith and credit”…

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM

immigrant communities

Oh good grief! Now it’s immigrant communities. Everybody wants their own “community”. Whatever happened to the AMERICAN community?

Cleombrotus on September 13, 2013 at 7:13 PM

So yeah, O wants congressional Republicans on the hook with him for this,

And they’ll happily, eagerly oblige.

rrpjr on September 13, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Good God, this Charlie Crist fanboi is like a walking folio of immigration strawmen.

What parts of e-verify and secure the border do you not understand?

Instead we get six paragraphs of tearful moaning B.S. Oh, but you are “with us” and you “understand,” while you demonstrate your diametrical opposition to enforcing the law and your fervor to pile yet one another rock into the backpack of misery toted by America’s working poor, many of whom, I might add, are “hard-working.”

P.S. This doesn’t just apply to Crist fanboi, but why does everyone throw around that “hard-working” crapola, and not just about immigration? No offense to millions of office potatoes, but most people don’t really have to work all that hard.

P.P.S. The worst criminals get long prison sentences in Federal PMITA prison. We just want to send these people home. So, another strawman. Wow, we’re horrible.

A Balrog of Morgoth on September 13, 2013 at 7:17 PM

And who is going to stop him? Mr cry baby? Cantor? LOL your dreaming.

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Did you read what I wrote?

I said that he cannot permanently legalise illegals unilaterally. An EO is a directive from a President to HIS administration. It can be reversed on Day One by the next POTUS (think the Mexico City policy). For example, the ‘Dreamers’ haven’t been permanently legalised. All Obama has done has been to instruct HIS administration not to deport them. He hasn’t changed the law, which remains as it was when he unconstitutionally – according to one Federal court – waived its enforcement.

Resist We Much on September 13, 2013 at 7:19 PM

They cannot all be treated as if they’re the worst of the worst criminals equally.

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 7:08 PM

As long as California decides Policy for every other state…We are Doomed as a nation because California is a Fascist Gulag.

Why should an illegal interloper receive special favor to break our laws?

In related News…Bishops FAIL.

Catholics reject bishops’ push for immigration increase…”

But the Catholic flock believes the Congress has a greater moral responsibility to aid Americans than to aid illegal immigrants.

Only 14 percent of 4,967 Catholic likely voters in 26 states said Congress has “a lot” of responsibility “to help protect the ability of current illegal immigrants to hold a job and support their families without fear of deportation,” according to data from polls funded by NumbersUSA.

In contrast, 54 percent of Catholics said the government has very little or no responsibility to help illegals get jobs and avoid deportation…

The remaining 27 percent says the government has some responsibility.

NumbersUSA is an immigration reform group that wants to reduce the current immigration flow of 1 million people per year.

The polls were conducted by Pulse Opinion Research prior to the Senate’s approval in July of a rewrite bill. Respondents were asked for their religious views, allowing NumbersUSA to highlight the low support among Catholics for the hierarchy’s push for a staged amnesty.

The polling data should help offset the pro-amnesty lobbying by other religious groups, including the Catholic hierarchy, Roy Beck, direct of NumbersUSA, told The Daily Caller.

“Members of Congress who are concerned about how they’ll be judged on a basis of morality need to know that as far as Catholics go, there are a few dozen bishops that take on the [pro-immigration] position, but the vast majority of Catholics place a higher priority on American workers,” said Beck.

Only 28 percent of Catholic support the hierarchy’s effort to win “legal status and work permits” for illegals. Thirty-two percent favored deportation, and 30 percent said some could stay, but not be given work permits.

The views of Catholics are important because non-Hispanic Catholics have been an influential swing vote that has often sided with Democrats on economic issues, but which are now trending Republican. For example, GOP candidate Mitt Romney won 59 percent of the white Catholic vote in 2012.

If Catholics were to see the GOP as dominated by business interests, they’d be more likely to swing back to the Democratic candidates.

The Senate bill passed in July. If approved by the House, it would provide a staged legislation to 11 million illegal immigrants, double the number of guest workers in the country, and double the inflow of immigrants to 46 million by 2033. The increased immigration would would ensure the arrival of one new immigrant for every two American births…”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/13/catholics-reject-bishops-push-for-immigration-increase/#ixzz2eolPEicf

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Does the union boss know he pushing for something against his own interest?

mwbri on September 13, 2013 at 6:46 PM

It’s not against his personal interests, it is however against the interests of members of the greedy unions.

slickwillie2001 on September 13, 2013 at 7:20 PM

When do we start hearing from Republicans what the penalties for O will be if he does something unilateral?

Allah, I think you forgot a sarc tag there …

ShainS on September 13, 2013 at 7:20 PM

If the president abrogates constitutional order and acts unilaterally, the congress has a duty to impeach and convict.

Dirty Creature on September 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Obama has a sworn and mandated duty to see that the law is enforced. He has a duty to observe and obey separation of powers.

ONLY the legislature is empowered to make the law.

thatsafactjack on September 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM

It will be interesting to see if other states have to recognize the validity of those drivers licenses.

The CA illegals might want to confine their driving to their residential Gulag aka Californistan.

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Texas already doesn’t consider a California Driver’s License a ‘Primary form of identification’. When I had to turn in my CDL and get a Texas License moving out here a couple of years ago, I had to not only provide my old CDL, I had to bring in my SS card and a Birth Certificate also.

I love Texas.

trigon on September 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Obama is Syria-sly snakebit. Getting him to do anything unilaterally without being able to blame any failure on Republicans would not suit President Present well, IMHO.

txmomof6 on September 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Major difference – Barky couldn’t even get his own brain-dead worshipers to get behind him on Syria. On immigration, they will turn out in full support of him.

Gator Country on September 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Resist We Much on September 13, 2013 at 7:19 PM

O who will have the balls to do that? Maybe cruz… but we have to hope we get a strong candidate in office for that to happen. If the Pubs put guys like Rubio front and center and he wins the nomination …you can see where I am going with this.

I also dont see a democrat over turning this either.

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 7:27 PM

It’s not against his personal interests, it is however against the interests of members of the greedy unions.

slickwillie2001 on September 13, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Shhhhhhhh! You’re undoing generations of brainwashing.

Union members pay no attention to slickwillie2001. You are incapable of fair working conditions without belonging to a union. If it were not for unions, there would be no middle class. Unions are AWESOME!

Happy Nomad on September 13, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Good God, this Charlie Crist fanboi is like a walking folio of immigration strawmen.

Oh, that’s rich. Accusing me of strawman with…a strawman.

What parts of e-verify and secure the border do you not understand?

Instead we get six paragraphs of tearful moaning B.S. Oh, but you are “with us” and you “understand,” while you demonstrate your diametrical opposition to enforcing the law and your fervor to pile yet one another rock into the backpack of misery toted by America’s working poor, many of whom, I might add, are “hard-working.”

P.S. This doesn’t just apply to Crist fanboi, but why does everyone throw around that “hard-working” crapola, and not just about immigration? No offense to millions of office potatoes, but most people don’t really have to work all that hard.

P.P.S. The worst criminals get long prison sentences in Federal PMITA prison. We just want to send these people home. So, another strawman. Wow, we’re horrible.

I’m all about e-verify. Count me in as a supporter. Same with securing the border. I have always agreed that a sovereign nation cannot be sovereign with a porous border. I am 100% with you on that.

It’s no strawman to talk about hard working illegals with families that CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY in this country as being in a different league than lazy, non-contributing thugs. Yes…illegal is illegal. But any punishment must be meted out with differing actions. For those who contribute, there should be fines, and a slew of basic requirement to be met, that would allow them to stay here…DOCUMENTED…and work for citizenship. Back of the line.

For those who do not contribute…hasta la vista. I’m really puzzled why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

___________

And for the record, I own my Crist support…and have taken full responsibility for insisting that turd had one ounce of dignity. I was wrong, and make no excuses for that.

A Balrog of Morgoth on September 13, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Telling me I

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 7:30 PM

It will be interesting to see if other states have to recognize the validity of those drivers licenses.

The CA illegals might want to confine their driving to their residential Gulag aka Californistan.

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Good point…I wonder if this will, or won’t, fall under “full faith and credit”…

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Texas doesn’t recognize California’s Gay Marriage Licenses…To the state of Texas your just room mates who can decide to share property and share taxes or something…

Texans think Voters can vote with their feet and live in the States they want to.

For Texans if you’re Gay and want to be married to someone of the same sex…Move to California or a similar state and Good Luck To Ya.

If a voter hates Guns…Move to NYC or another gun grabbin state and Good Luck To Ya.

If a voter wants to pay a lot of taxes or make a living off Welfare…Move somewhere besides Texas and Good Luck To Ya.

etc…

*shrug*

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Texas already doesn’t consider a California Driver’s License a ‘Primary form of identification’. When I had to turn in my CDL and get a Texas License moving out here a couple of years ago, I had to not only provide my old CDL, I had to bring in my SS card and a Birth Certificate also.

I love Texas.

trigon on September 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Welcome to Texas neighbor.

God Bless Texas!

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Resist We Much on September 13, 2013 at 7:19 PM

right…and that’s the beauty of EOs. If barry gives subsidies to unions for their healthcare plans, thereby burdening taxpayers about 20B a year, they will make very damn sure that those EOs are a campaign issue…Evil Rs will take your money away. Vote Left!

r keller on September 13, 2013 at 7:33 PM

There are those who screw around, steal, make trouble, and those who have families, are hard-working, and actually contribute to society.

And none of them are entitled to be here, no matter how many heart strings you try to tug at.

They cannot all be treated as if they’re the worst of the worst criminals equally.

JetBoy

But they can all be treated as what they are….illegal immigrants….a status that calls for deportation.

xblade on September 13, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Texas doesn’t recognize California’s Gay Marriage Licenses…To the state of Texas your just room mates who can decide to share property and share taxes or something…

Texans think Voters can vote with their feet and live in the States they want to.

For Texans if you’re Gay and want to be married to someone of the same sex…Move to California or a similar state and Good Luck To Ya.

If a voter hates Guns…Move to NYC or another gun grabbin state and Good Luck To Ya.

If a voter wants to pay a lot of taxes or make a living off Welfare…Move somewhere besides Texas and Good Luck To Ya.

etc…

*shrug*

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 7:30 PM

I live in NY, and yeah, the deep blue liberal-ness stinks, to put it mildly. I’m an NRA member as well, and own quite a few guns. To paraphrase Charleston Heston, they can have my guns when they pry them out of my cold, dead hands.

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Take the sentiment out of the equation.

The question is simple.

Should one type of individual or group receive favored status to break our nations laws?

If the answer is yes it is not a conservative answer.

Immigration Reform is necessary but should not include Amnesty on principle.

Secure Borders is a related but separate issue…and an issue of national sovereignty and security.

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Here is a link to the companies pushing for amnesty:

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 7:42 PM

http://www.cis.org/feere/cheesecake-factory-hallmark-disney-and-others-now-pushing-amnesty

My bad must review first hehe.

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 7:42 PM

I said that he cannot permanently legalise illegals unilaterally. An EO is a directive from a President to HIS administration. It can be reversed on Day One by the next POTUS (think the Mexico City policy). For example, the ‘Dreamers’ haven’t been permanently legalised. All Obama has done has been to instruct HIS administration not to deport them. He hasn’t changed the law, which remains as it was when he unconstitutionally – according to one Federal court – waived its enforcement.

Resist We Much on September 13, 2013 at 7:19 PM

And this is not an acceptable solution since he could “fix” the next Presidential election by declaring amnesty since the majority of illegals would support the Dems.

Not only would his action be unConstitutional, but also an explicit case of election fraud on a grand scale.

dominigan on September 13, 2013 at 7:45 PM

But they can all be treated as what they are….illegal immigrants….a status that calls for deportation.

xblade on September 13, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Actually the correct but un-popular term is illegal migrants or the old fashioned term is interlopers.

Immigrant implies immigration which can only occur through a nation’s immigration policy whether they be temporary or permanent in nature.

Folks that avoid our laws or that abuse them by overstaying their visas are committing Fraud…

workingclass artist on September 13, 2013 at 7:46 PM

And I’m not talking simply about jumping a fence from Mexico…more than half of illegals in the US came here legally…and just overstayed their visas.

Not true. The official estimate is around 40%, which is less than half,not more than half. Not that it matters anyway. It wouldn’t be a valid excuse even if 100% of illegals were visa overstays.

You can’t just go down to an office somewhere and “renew” a visa…you have to go back home, wait what could be years, and only then be able to legally return here.

JetBoy

And they knew this when they filed for and accepted the terms of the visa.

xblade on September 13, 2013 at 7:53 PM

mwbri has hit on it. Unions are cutting their own throats by supporting Amnesty. Black leaders too. The two groups most impacted by the legalization of 11 million,( 22 million, 33 million, 44 million–you get the picture) illegal Hispanic aliens will be millions of legal Hispanic aliens and millions of Blacks–plus thousands of formerly employed (before Amnesty) union workers.. But what can you expect from a leader who has almost single-handedly doubled our national debt, destroyed our medical system and picked fights with Libya (and wound up with a Benghazi) and with Syria (and wound up with a propaganda Pearl Harbor– making us look like international idiots.)

MaiDee on September 13, 2013 at 7:55 PM

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Linky not working.

Barred on September 13, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Unions s/b against amnesty.

Union members, wake up and go after your leaders, with all you got. They are scrooming you out of jobs and higher earnings.

Schadenfreude on September 13, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Drive wages for LEGAL American citizens by dropping 20 million plus into high unemployment nation……and you get what?

Oh yeah, you get….

1. Permanent Teater Voting majority to keep the Ruling class in power (so the serfs don’t throw them out in 2014).

2. Cheap labor for big business donors to both parties.

3. 20 million immediate ObamaCare supporters.

4. Texas going blue.

5. Another huge step towards incremental border less North American Government.

Did I miss anything?

Oh yeah, I did.

6. Permanent Progressive Democrat power to continue decades more class warfare.

PappyD61 on September 13, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Actually the correct but un-popular term is illegal migrants or the old fashioned term is interlopers.

workingclass

Tomato, tomahto, it doesn’t really matter. Everyone knows what we’re talking about, and no one thinks being called an illegal immigrant implies legal status. Getting caught in the weeds worrying about whether it should be immigrant/migrant/alien is an unnecessary distraction. I do like interloper though.

xblade on September 13, 2013 at 8:03 PM

What if you were a potus surrounded by a dozen or more lawyers all the time. You wanted to accomplish your agenda which is destruction of the country yet keep from being impeached for all the illegal deeds you have perpetuated.
IT might make sense to create a Syria out of thin air just to take the heat off impeachment from summer scandals like Benghazi,nsa, irs,Egyptian MB’s threatening to blow the whistle on everything they know and on and on.
Quite possibly syria was created out of nowhere in hopes of buying say a month or six weeks up to the time of the debt ceiling.
But the debt ceiling only lasts a short period of time.What delaying tactic will you use after that.
If you said amnesty pass go and collect….
Amnesty is the final delay and divert attention from other scandals which all lead to impeachment tactic needed by the regime.
Whether or not anything gets accomplished in Syria or amensty makes no difference. The debt ceiling stalling tactic is easy and pubbies will get the blame they always do.
Bottom line, zero already has the power to get whatever/whenever he wants on most issues. What he needs is to stall almost indefinitely until after the 2014 elections to keep from being impeached,keep his agenda in tact and lower the numbers of seats the dems will lose.
So far his bevy of lawyers are right on track. Amnesty will eat up more time than any of the other diversions.

rodguy911 on September 13, 2013 at 8:03 PM

You think it’s hard to move up to a better paying job now?

Wait until your kids are competing with Pedro, Maria and their 6 anchor babies (that will bring in the Grandparents because “we can’t separate families”).

Wait until companies need another 10 or 20 million more workers?

Wait until California collapses and other states follow suit, and we are reorganized into a new collection of states or provinces.

America 2030 may look a lot like Mexico.

Thank you Ruling Class.

PappyD61 on September 13, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Sounds like Mexico and our politicians have a lot in common!!

http://www.amusingplanet.com/2010/10/mexicos-congress-of-clowns.html

It happens every year in October……and it’s called “The Congress of Clowns”

You can’t make this up.

PappyD61 on September 13, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Ana Avendano, director of immigration and community action at the AFL-CIO

Why does a union need a department of illegal immigration and community action?

Its easy. Very few public officials have said it.
Secure the boarder FIRST .
Then in a few years we come back to see how its doing.
If working on the flow, figure out how to speed up the immigration process.

Its that simple.

Instead, they want to legalize now with promises later bulshat and have not learn one thing. We will be here talking about this same issue again in 20 years.

watertown on September 13, 2013 at 6:54 PM

I think you are exactly right. I think the American people would be very much on board with a “secure the border first and wait” approach to illegal immigration.

hopeful on September 13, 2013 at 8:13 PM

You can’t just go down to an office somewhere and “renew” a visa…you have to go back home, wait what could be years, and only then be able to legally return here.

JetBoy

You like many others, seem to be under the impression that the United States in under some obligation to make things as easy a possible for foreign nationals to get into and stay in this country. I think someone who has put in the time and effort to get here properly will make a much better addition to this country than someone who meandered over the border or overstayed their visa and were handed citizenship.
Liberals are fond of fairness. How is it fair to those who follow the rules to legalize law breakers?

hopeful on September 13, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Pathway to civil war. . : (

listens2glenn on September 13, 2013 at 8:29 PM

You like many others, seem to be under the impression that the United States in under some obligation to make things as easy a possible for foreign nationals to get into and stay in this country. I think someone who has put in the time and effort to get here properly will make a much better addition to this country than someone who meandered over the border or overstayed their visa and were handed citizenship.
Liberals are fond of fairness. How is it fair to those who follow the rules to legalize law breakers?

hopeful on September 13, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Where did I say that?!?

Jeebus…All I’m saying is that there be some, pardon the phrase, “pathway to citizenship” for those illegals who meet certain requirements. I said I’m all for fines, and “back of the line” status. I’m just not for throwing all of them out of the country. Those who wish to stay need to register, pay fines, learn English, work, no handouts, etc.

How the heck does all that amount to making things, quote, “as easy as possible”? For cripes sake, read my comments.

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Sounds like Mexico and our politicians have a lot in common!!

http://www.amusingplanet.com/2010/10/mexicos-congress-of-clowns.html

It happens every year in October……and it’s called “The Congress of Clowns”

You can’t make this up.

PappyD61 on September 13, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Thanks for the link — it was nice to take a break from reading about the amateur clowns.

AesopFan on September 13, 2013 at 8:57 PM

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 8:48 PM

You were complaining that you “just can’t go to an office and renew a visa.” That comes off as you wanting things to be easy. Forgive me if I misinterpreted.
As many have said before on this and other threads -there already exists a pathway to citizenship. If they are here illegally, why should they be given any break whatsoever? Why do we owe them that? Many do it correctly and cutting the law breakers slack is not fair to those who do come here legally. If it takes making the illegals who are here leave before they can come back, then so be it. If they really, really want to be here they will come back the right way. And it would be a deterrent to others who want to come here illegally.

hopeful on September 13, 2013 at 9:04 PM

….. 6. Permanent Progressive Democrat power to continue decades more class warfare.

PappyD61 on September 13, 2013 at 7:59 PM

.
We won’t last one decade, before the U.S. would cease to exist as the U.S. After that, a LOT of American politicians are going to find themselves out of a job.

listens2glenn on September 13, 2013 at 9:06 PM

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I might also add, the US government has a constitutional obligation to protect it’s citizens. We need to know who is here and why they are here. Cutting illegals slack only begets more illegals. Most of them may just want a better life for their families. It only takes a couple to slip through and fly some planes into a couple of buildings.

hopeful on September 13, 2013 at 9:07 PM

I think the union leadership wants the illegals to become “legal” however is necessary so they can start unionizing them.

Union membership has fallen way off. Now they are targeting the fast food and service industries. How many of those working in those fields are here illegally and therefore can’t be unionized.

Trumpka may not be acting against his interests, but he sure as hell is acting against those of the members he is supposed to represent and protect.

Jvette on September 13, 2013 at 9:42 PM

You were complaining that you “just can’t go to an office and renew a visa.” That comes off as you wanting things to be easy. Forgive me if I misinterpreted.

You did misinterpret…and you’re forgiven. I was only stating a point, nothing more.

As many have said before on this and other threads -there already exists a pathway to citizenship. If they are here illegally, why should they be given any break whatsoever? Why do we owe them that? Many do it correctly and cutting the law breakers slack is not fair to those who do come here legally. If it takes making the illegals who are here leave before they can come back, then so be it. If they really, really want to be here they will come back the right way. And it would be a deterrent to others who want to come here illegally.

hopeful on September 13, 2013 at 9:04 PM

I’m heading out in a few minutes so I can’t answer as fully as I’d like to…but I’ve covered all the basics as to why not all should be, or even could be, deported. You break up families, lives, jobs, unless you set a criteria for staying while advancing for citizenship. We don’t have to “throw ‘em all out” as if they’re all garbage. I know some illegals. I’ve worked with them. I’ve met their spouses, kids, and they’re hard workers. They contribute to the community.

Those are the ones who should have the chance to work…and not in any “easy” way…for citizenship while being able to stay here. There are those who should be sent out on the next plane. And we should give them that opportunity. If the good ones screw up, out they go. But give those good one the chance before you send them packing. Frankly, I’d rather start shipping out the far-Left liberals that were born here.

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 9:42 PM

I might also add, the US government has a constitutional obligation to protect it’s citizens. We need to know who is here and why they are here. Cutting illegals slack only begets more illegals. Most of them may just want a better life for their families. It only takes a couple to slip through and fly some planes into a couple of buildings.

hopeful on September 13, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Bingo!

We give the hard working, good illegals a chance. They aren’t terrorists. Or murders. Or thieves. They’d have to register, and meet and fulfill a set of requirements. If they fail, they go. It wasn’t Hispanic illegals that carried out 9/11.

Cheers, JB out.

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Aren’t these the same labor leaders who supported Obamacare and now realize that they screwed themselves? I guess some people never learn.

bartbeast on September 13, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Yet even more decisively showing they do not represent their workers, who would be greatly harmed by more people legally qualifying for their jobs, but instead are just another wing of the leftist party.

I look forward to more unions leaving the AFL-CIO till it dies a miserable death.

njrob on September 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Anti-1st Amendment, check.
Anti-2nd Amendment, check.

Anti- respecting our borders and sovereignty, check.

Why don’t you just come out and admit you’re a leftist already?

njrob on September 13, 2013 at 10:25 PM

JetBoy on September 13, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Anti-1st Amendment, check.
Anti-2nd Amendment, check.

Anti- respecting our borders and sovereignty, check.

Why don’t you just come out and admit you’re a leftist already?

njrob on September 13, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Anti-1st Amendment, check.
Anti-2nd Amendment, check.

Anti-9th Amendment
Anti-10th Amendment

Believes the Supreme Court makes law rather than follows it.

Anti- respecting our borders and sovereignty, check.

Why don’t you just come out and admit you’re a leftist already?

njrob on September 13, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Fixed.

njrob on September 13, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Do this and he will unleash the wrath of an already seething citizenry. I’m a mom with college educated children who cannot find a job. Multiply me by millions. You are threatening my children’s futures and forcing us into a corner. If Obama dares this it will be the final straw and all the hollow point bullets and government tyranny will not stand. Don’t do this if you know what is best for the peace.

neyney on September 13, 2013 at 11:02 PM

A working class hero is something to be.

Kenosha Kid on September 13, 2013 at 11:50 PM

The republicrats will do what thy always do fold like cheap Wal Mart chair when one of you immensely fat, dumb, kid touching religious yokels sit on it.

Your Mamma loves me on September 14, 2013 at 12:16 AM

If Obama really wants to be impeached, let him declare a blanket amnesty.

As for the ‘amnesty crowd’ – it’s “Laws? We don’t need no stinking laws!”

Until it’s convenient.

GarandFan on September 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Even he’s not that stupd to do it on second thought, Syria clusterfark…maybe he is indeed that stupid…

jimver on September 14, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Obama should have been impeached for the Dream amnesty crapsalooza already.

Only a gelded GOP allows this post-legal anti-Constitutional treason to proceed unopposed.

profitsbeard on September 14, 2013 at 2:29 AM

Wait until the Obama “community” finds out that they have become number two and are no longer essential….The rainbow will lose a stripe real quick about that time.

Don L on September 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Obama should have been impeached for the Dream amnesty crapsalooza already.

Only a gelded GOP allows this post-legal anti-Constitutional treason to proceed unopposed.

profitsbeard on September 14, 2013 at 2:29 AM

Sorry the GOP wants this more than Obama does….

Don L on September 14, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Fixed.

njrob on September 13, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Lemme know when you’re done editing all that bs.

Yeah, I’m some “leftist”…everyone I’ve ever known since high school stopped whatever they were doing after you typed that and sensed something amiss in the space/time continuum.

JetBoy on September 14, 2013 at 3:25 PM

JetBoy on September 14, 2013 at 3:25 PM

You dispute what I wrote? I don’t see where you do. You have shown time and time again you favor forcing the religious to worship the state. You have shown you don’t respect states citizens’ voting in their own laws and you’ve shown you will use the power of the government as a cudgel to get your way.

You are a leftist.

njrob on September 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM