Matthews: Remember when US had a real leader, like … George W. Bush?

posted at 10:01 am on September 12, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Looks like Chris Matthews isn’t going to get a tingle over Barack Obama’s latest pivot. On last night’s Hardball, Matthews ripped Obama for a lack of leadership and focus, complaining that the President jumps from issue to issue with no particular purpose or plan.  Matthews even went so far as to suggest that he misses George W. Bush … a little, anyway (via Jen Rubin on Twitter):

Chris Matthews took Obama to task on Wednesday for being too “reactive” to events and not controlling or focusing the discussion on issues he wants to talk about. Washington Post reporter Dana Milbank agreed, saying that there is a deficit of “forceful leadership” from the Obama White House.

In fact, Milbank even went so far as to credit George W. Bush for this quality sorely lacking in Obama. At least with Bush, Milbank argued, “he got stuff done, hammering away for taxes, for war… whereas Obama sort of flits and flies from topic to topic.” Matthews wished Obama would be tougher against Republicans on key issues, while HuffPo’s Sam Stein noted Obama’s pushed a little, but not quite enough.

Matthews vented a little, saying “this Mini-Me stuff has got to stop.” Milbank said Obama’s political nuance looks too much like “muddled thinking” to people, suggesting he needs to start campaigning for big issues with bumper-sticker slogans. Stein made it clear part of the lack of action in Washington is derived in part from Republican obstructionism.

“Republican obstructionism”? Obama had control of Congress for the first two years of his presidency, and the only issues that concerned the White House then were a health-system overhaul that’s becoming more and more unpopular as it becomes more and more unworkable, and a stimulus bill that failed to meet its own metrics, let alone create the normal jobs boom that follows after sharp recessions.  Republicans gained control of the House because of Obama’s policies, and they may well take control of the Senate in 2014.  Throwing up one’s hands isn’t leadership, either.

The solution offered to this conundrum is risible on its face.  Matthews and his panel want bumper-sticker slogans and campaigns for policies.  Obama has been offering nothing but both for his entire presidency, while leaving the actual governance to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.  When Obama tried applying that approach to foreign policy and Syria by glibly mentioning a red line, doing nothing for a year, and then attempted two weeks of sloganeering to get support for an act of war, Obama wound up with egg on his face and Vladimir Putin as the leader of Western diplomacy. Now he’s Putin’s Mini-Me, to use Matthews’ analogy.

Perhaps Obama would be better off trying a new leadership model.  I’m sure George W. Bush would be happy to counsel him.


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remember when the MSM thought Palin would look like Obama does on foreign policy.

smitty41 on September 12, 2013 at 11:53 AM

What a cunning thought there. Good catch.

I just wish this fool would just go away. Far, far away. As far as possible away that far away is capable of being.

avagreen on September 12, 2013 at 12:27 PM

You’ve got a new hero.
Sad for you.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Putin is NOT my hero. I know him way better than you will ever conceive. What’s sad is that your little brain doesn’t get even 1% of me, after all this time.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:27 PM

The architects and cheerleaders of the Iraq War are not forgotten, but thank God they are gone.

verbaloon on September 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Does that include Chrissie Matthews too? After all, he was the head cheerleader that day in 2003 when Chimpy landed on the aircraft carrier, as Media Matters reminds us:

Mission Accomplished!

And to close, this is just for you, Sweetheart. From the end of August 2013.

Choke on it!

Department of Justice requests that George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Paul Wolfowitz, and Richard Cheney be granted immunity from war crime prosecution.

That’s Holder and O’bama’s DOJ by the way.

F-

Del Dolemonte on September 12, 2013 at 12:28 PM

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:24 PM

You, by even using the term “hero” with the likes of Putin, obama, and other thugs, diminish the true meaning of “heroes”.

My heroes are those who fight for us to be free to b/s over here, for just one example. I never worship azzholes in politics, especially not thugs like Putin and obama.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Milbank said Obama’s political nuance looks too much like “muddled thinking” to people, suggesting he needs to start campaigning for big issues with bumper-sticker slogans.

Something along the lines of Hope and Change maybe, Dana? How about We Are the Bumber Sticker We’ve Been Wainting Voting For?

Welcome to “elections have consequences,” idiot.

Barnestormer on September 12, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Milbank said Obama’s political nuance looks too much like “muddled thinking” to people, suggesting he needs to start campaigning for big issues with bumper-sticker slogans.

“Yes, we can”

“Leading from Behind”

“Terrorism is dead – I killed Osama”

…working out so well…Dana…

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:37 PM

What is truly pathetic and laughable is that anyone would in any way whatsoever desire the counsel of anyone associated with that unmitigated disaster.
The architects and cheerleaders of the Iraq War are not forgotten, but thank God they are gone.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM

You’re referring to the democratics in Congress that voted for it, right?

slickwillie2001 on September 12, 2013 at 12:25 PM

‘architects and cheerleaders’
Leiberman?
Meh.
But he’s gone too.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM

It’s pretty clear by now that Obama’s leadership style and what informs his “policies” is little more than community organizing, community action and community protest The last of the three being the public face of policy. You could call this Obama’s policy doctrine.

This explains more fully the belief in ‘never letting a crisis go to waste’. It also explains his rather complete inability to actually focus like a laser on solving problems, like, say, for instance, the lack of jobs here at home. It’s his belief creating more jobs is someone else’s problem, and by that I don’t mean, the private sector’s responsibility.

What I mean is it’s Obama’s job to focus like a laser on the problem of not having jobs and it’s someone’s else’s job to solve the problem. When a community organizer goes about his business of fomenting community action and protest to highlight a problem that needs solving, that “someone else” can be any entity — the Community Action & Protest Flash Mob (CAPFM) will already have one planned — but ultimately the government is always either the channel or the entity of last resort.

Hard and fast solutions to the problems are rare, if ever, present in the organizing, action and protest, primarily because there is no unified thought about what it is or should be. It’s also the hard work to be done. Ask the leader or leaders of the CAPFM to provide one and the response is usually, “Not My Job” followed up by a second or third CAPFM emphasizing the problem, not the solution.

The Occupy Wall Street movement revealed a lot in this regard. Much also was revealed by the decision to shed the Flash Mob approach and try a more permanent approach but that was due to more to outside forces — generally a public demand to put up or shut up. At the beginning they could not provide any rational solutions — it wasn’t their intent. Inquiries abounded about their goals and their solutions. Answers were ambiguous, incoherent, and all over the map. The public, faced with a protracted flash mob, required a put up or shut up. They took on the challenge but couldn’t focus on any manageable problem in it’s own right by which solutions could be developed, but they took on the permanence. This forced them to actually “organize” in order to respond and defend the permanence; they intended to show their stuff and lead us to addressing the myriad problems without solutions. Getting organized itself was a disaster- they couldn’t even organize to manage their own camps with most of crowd reverting to CAPFM’ing themselves and each other.

CAPFM works out much better for the organizers when they stick to being a flash mob and “Leading From Behind”.

The marks of Community Action & Protest Flash Mob are present in just about all of Obama’s policies. The media has helped hide “the put up or shut up” demands from the American pubic, allowing Obama to wage his CAPFM policies war domestically practically without consequence. Obama’s attempt to extend his policy doctrine with full force on Syria ran into the brick wall of a put up or shut up demand those outside the control of Obama (and the American media) — foreign countries, foreign media, and foreign publics.

Dusty on September 12, 2013 at 12:39 PM

verbie, you remind me of the French…accordions and such…

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:40 PM

The architects and cheerleaders of the Iraq War are not forgotten, but thank God they are gone.

verbaloon on September 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Like Hillary, Kerry, Gore, etc?

Let’s go to the videotape…

Hypocrisy Alert! Clinton, Kerry, Gore & Other Democrats Talk About Saddam’s WMD BEFORE AND AFTER Bush Is President and Call for War Against Iraq

Being FOR something before being AGAINST it is NOT HEROIC!

It’s part of the reason that Obama finds himself in the position that he does today!

Democrats: Victims of Their Own Success

Resist We Much on September 12, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Del Dolemonte on September 12, 2013 at 12:28 PM

I love the assumptions you guys make about my opinion of TV pundits.
But that you have a tingle today for Matthews…enjoy.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:41 PM

This witch puts Goebbels to shame.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Chris who?

Galtian on September 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM

It’s part of the reason that Obama finds himself in the position that he does today!

Resist We Much on September 12, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Indeed.
As I noted in my comment.
The consequences of the Iraq misadventure remain with us today.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:44 PM

You’re referring to the democratics in Congress that voted for it, right?

slickwillie2001 on September 12, 2013 at 12:25 PM

‘architects and cheerleaders’
Leiberman?
Meh.
But he’s gone too.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Nah, like her…

‘I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. … Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons.’

- Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (D, CA) Addressing the US House of Representatives, 10 October 2002 Congressional Record, p. H7777

…and Biden, Kerry, Gore, Kennedy, Clinton, Edwards, Gephardt, Clark, Rockefeller, etc.

Resist We Much on September 12, 2013 at 12:45 PM

You’re referring to the democratics in Congress that voted for it, right?

slickwillie2001 on September 12, 2013 at 12:25 PM

‘architects and cheerleaders’
Leiberman?
Meh.
But he’s gone too.

verbaloon on September 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM

But many others are still in Congress. Our current “Secretary of State” was a cheerleader for Iraq, and so was his predecessor, the presumptive 2016 Democrat standard-bearer. Our current Democrat Vice President, a five time draft dodger, voted YES. So did Dianne Feinstein, and so did Chuckles Schumer, Harry Reid, and Mary Landrieu.

Using your “logic”, they’re just as “Meh” as Leiberman. Continue to choke on their YEA votes in 2002, which are forever a part of the Congressional Record.

F-

Del Dolemonte on September 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM

If Obama wants to state Obamacare is the “law of the land” he needs to treat as such himself. The deadlines and implementation dates in that law shouldn’t be moved moved because this inept, incompetent imbecilic administration has failed to properly prepare for same! Otherwise, scrap it & start over!

Boats48 on September 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM

If things keep up the way they’re going, maybe Sarah Palin really will be able to see Russia from her house………

KMC1 on September 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM

verbie, you remind me of the French…accordions and such…

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Don’t forget the tiny violins and the stinky cheese.

Del Dolemonte on September 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Your regardless of anything/no matter what enmity for Obama makes you the low hanging fruit for Putin.
Others he has to work harder for.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Del Dolemonte on September 12, 2013 at 12:28 PM

I didn’t even bother to read the Media Matters article you linked.

verbaloon on September 12, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Edited for accuracy.

I highly recommend you read it. It illustrates perfectly Chrissy before he drank the same Low-IQ Democrat Purple Kool-Aid you did.

Del Dolemonte on September 12, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Libya

4 dead Americans and oil production down from 1.6M barrels/day to 100K b/d

but apparently no strategic or security interests once the MBH and Qaeda in charge

Syria

terrorists, radicals, and psychotic despots killing each other

go in unilaterally because …. “I said so.”

smitty41 on September 12, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Indeed.
As I noted in my comment.
The consequences of the Iraq misadventure remain with us today.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Might I suggest that Bush’s misadventure is not alone in poisoning the well?

Look, it is undeniable that the spectre of long, bloody wars like Afghanistan and Iraq is absolutely hanging over this debate and is to blame in great part, but have you ever considered:

46 Reasons

Resist We Much on September 12, 2013 at 12:52 PM

avagreen on September 12, 2013 at 12:27 PM

that’s pretty far away ;))

smitty41 on September 12, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Old/busted:
 

Ed –
Remember when Bush’s credibility was undermined when Libya dismantled their WMD program?
Oh, you don’t.
Hmm.
 
verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:54 AM

 
New two days later hotness:
 

The consequences of the Iraq War were not only the massive loss of American blood and treasure, but also our credibility to other nations and the deep wounds inflicted upon the American psyche…
 
verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Your regardless of anything/no matter what enmity for Obama makes you the low hanging fruit for Putin.
Others he has to work harder for.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Bless your wee, wee heart. Most other trolls have been joyfully absent for the past little while, but here you are trying mightily where even they realize it is futile.

*pats on head*

Run along, dear. Even your compatriots realize your leader is beyond even a rudimentary troll.

kim roy on September 12, 2013 at 12:55 PM

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:48 PM

You are incredibly stupid and can’t be helped.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:55 PM

kim roy on September 12, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Would it be too much to ask for something original and substantive?
Ok, fine.
Carry on.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:57 PM

just saw something funny, yeah it’s that moment

when you realize an ex-KGB tyrant has just stymied a Nobel Peace prize winner’s attempt at war

smitty41 on September 12, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Your regardless of anything/no matter what enmity love for Obama makes you the low hanging fruit for Putin him.
Others he has to work harder even less for.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Note how easy you are verbie…you’ll suffocate in obama’s azz.

Putin and obama are two thugs. Putin outfoxed your obama. It’s all there is.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:58 PM

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Dude…you have to at least try and make sense with this stuff.
Please?
I know you get frustrated when I don’t respond to you…but come on.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM

‘He clearly had the constitutional right…to pull the trigger.’

- Dana Milbank

Nah, he doesn’t.

Declaring War Is One Power That The President Absolutely Does Not Have

War Powers Resolution Act

In the last century, there have been FOUR situations in which the President has been allowed to initiate military force:

1. To respond immediately to a declaration of war pending Congressional authorisation.

Assad hasn’t declared war on the US.

2. Congressional AUMF.

There has been no congressional authorisation.

3. A national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

There is no national emergency. Assad has not attacked or threatened to attack preemptively the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

4. To enforce a treaty where a signatory is violating its terms.

Syria is NOT a signatory to the chemical weapons ban.

‘The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorise a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.’

- Senator Barack Obama, The Boston Globe, 20 December 2007

And, it isn’t legal under international law either. Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations, has warned that a strike against Syria without a mandate from the UN Security Council would be illegal. His Special Envoy on Syria stated:

‘Syria is in very, very serious trouble, and we have been asked from time to time, ‘What about use of force by members of the international community? We say what international law says. And international law says that no country is allowed to take the law into their hands; they have to go to the Security Council.’

- Lakhdar Brahimi, United Nations Special Envoy on Syria

Resist We Much on September 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM

 
Dude…you have to at least try and make sense with this stuff.
Please?
I know you get frustrated when I don’t respond to you…but come on.
 
verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM

 
Sorry you say so many stupid and contradictory things, verbaluce.
 
Can you really not see the connection?
 
Sorry for that, too, if so.
 
Obama 2013!

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:58 PM

You’re the one praising Putin…then defensively following up with ‘thug’.
But glad you’re thinking it through a bit more.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM

rogerb makes perfect sense, to a logical brain.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

If you’d use your tiny brain, I refered to him as “thug” for as long as he’s been there, KGB and president. I know him well.

He and obama are two thugs of the world. Putin is more clever than obama. However, he’s overplaying his mockery of tiny obama. The eunuch won’t stand to be mocked too much and will strike…no telling where, and it won’t matter to obama at what cost of blood and treasure.

Note this – obama and Putin don’t give a damn about people, dead or alive. To them they are just statistics, like they were for Stalin.

Wake up already.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 1:04 PM

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM

rogerb makes perfect sense, to a logical brain.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Walk me through it?
Show me the contradiction…or the trip up…or the whatever.
Can I ask that the relevant context be a factor…or is that not how you play?
I’m willing if you are.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:05 PM

verbie, I can’t transplant your brain. You’d be better off just reading and learning, friendly advice, just because I actually do like you.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 1:04 PM

I choose Obama over Putin.
As I would choose Bush over Putin.
Just not too hard.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Tedious.

Bmore on September 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM

I choose Obama over Putin.
As I would choose Bush over Putin.
Just not too hard.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:06 PM


I choose the USA over any other land.

obama, and those of you who brung/kept him, diminished her, tragically for the world and the people of the land. Putin could NEVER do this to Reagan. It’s all we’re saying.

Open your eyes.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM

‘Conduct unbecoming.’

- Arizona GOP

Resist We Much on September 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM

verbie, I can’t transplant your brain. You’d be better off just reading and learning, friendly advice, just because I actually do like you.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Cop out.
I am genuinely asking that rogerb’s attempt (again and again and again) with these mixed quotes of mine be explained.
Treat me like the dummy you think I am.
If it’s all so clear, shouldn’t take you but a second, right?

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Hint: Hoping to plant a seed of “out of context!” only works if one assumes other readers are equally dim.
 

After reading your “out of context!” complaint above I can’t imagine someone so readily admitting that they’re not bright enough to understand something so simple unless they sincerely aren’t able to understand it.
 
That, along with watching how deeply you swallowed in it in the other thread (and are still compelled to keep going), makes me hesitate to set the hook in this one. It’s more for my own conscience, frankly. I like a laugh at S-M-R-T-smart (D)s but I have no interest in cruelty, and reeling you in on both of these threads would be nothing less, especially when you don’t even realize you’re caught on this one.
 
Enjoy.
 
rogerb on March 8, 2013 at 10:26 PM

 

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:10 PM

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM

rogerb is a master in exposing the left’s or anyone’s contradictions in thought. It’s that simple.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 1:10 PM

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:10 PM

rogerb, not to interrupt the thread. Just curious if you had seen the link to the site I left for you the other day?

Bmore on September 12, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Resist We Much on September 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Finally…how they kept McVain and got Flake is truly logic-defying.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Bmore, cheers…laughed at the Putin-as-fire-marshall :)

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 1:14 PM

the shot (across the bow) heard ’round the world.

incompetence at this level is tough to overcome

smitty41 on September 12, 2013 at 1:16 PM

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:10 PM

 
rogerb, not to interrupt the thread. Just curious if you had seen the link to the site I left for you the other day?
 
Bmore on September 12, 2013 at 1:13 PM

 
It’s okay. I think the point on credibility has been made.
 
I haven’t. I’m guessing it relates to me letting the 27 year olds buy my vacation home with what I was once paying for my health insurance premiums.
 
You don’t still have it, do you?

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:16 PM

The marks of Community Action & Protest Flash Mob are present in just about all of Obama’s policies. The media has helped hide “the put up or shut up” demands from the American pubic, allowing Obama to wage his CAPFM policies war domestically practically without consequence. Obama’s attempt to extend his policy doctrine with full force on Syria ran into the brick wall of a put up or shut up demand those outside the control of Obama (and the American media) — foreign countries, foreign media, and foreign publics.

Dusty on September 12, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Brilliant. RTWT.

AesopFan on September 12, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Can you really not see the connection?

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

No, but let me try…
So…are you saying that my inference (in a comment from another thread) that Bush’s success with regards to his diplomatic achievement of getting Ghadaffi to dismantle his WMD program was beneficial to Bush’s credibility as a leader…this contradicts a comment of mine here suggesting the Iraq War fared much worse for GWB’s reputation?

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Reagan’s own party controlled the Senate for two of his eight years, and NEVER controlled the House. Yet he got a lot done. Now that’s leadership. Whining about the other party is exact opposite.

fastphil101 on September 12, 2013 at 1:18 PM

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM

rogerb is a master in exposing the left’s or anyone’s contradictions in thought. It’s that simple.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Sure.
Noted that you can’t manage to explain his mastery in any coherent fashion.
But he has a pal in you for sure.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:20 PM

It’s okay. I think the point on credibility has been made.

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:16 PM

So you say

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Your regardless of anything/no matter what enmity for Obama makes you the low hanging fruit for Putin.

verbaloon on September 12, 2013 at 12:48 PM

So sayeth the low hanging fruit for O’bama.

Just curious, Teen Spirit…is opposition to O’bama based on racism because his mother was white?

Del Dolemonte on September 12, 2013 at 1:24 PM

verbaluce continuing to blame Bush to excuse Obama is weak minded.

Putin is a filthy commie like Obama. Only competent.

smitty41 on September 12, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Tedious.

Bmore on September 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM

If you mean the silliness I’m engaging in here – I apologize.
But when I don’t respond to rogerb’s rhetorical devices…he get’s upset at me for ‘running away’
And now that I do…
But you’re right.
My bad.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:25 PM

You don’t still have it, do you?

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Lolz! No it was a big compliment paid to you on another site away from here. Here.

Bmore on September 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Can you really not see the connection?
 
rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

 
No, but let me try…
So…are you saying that my inference…
 
verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:17 PM

 
Dang. I guess you really couldn’t.
 
Seriously, I’m sorry. I was joking. I figured you were just trying to pretend you didn’t understand where the hypocrisy was. I didn’t expect you to admit it again.
 
Show of hands, please:
 
Did anyone else have a problem seeing the connection?

 
Anyway, this next bit may or may not matter anymore. Like I said back in March, I don’t have any interest in cruely.
 

…Iraq War fared much worse for GWB’s reputation?
 
verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:17 PM

 

…but also our credibility to other nations…
 
verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM

 
Do you prefer high school or college goalposts, verbaluce?

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:27 PM

No one has ever described me in those terms. “Utter brilliance.” Lolz! You have many admirers rogerb. ; )

Bmore on September 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM

It’s okay. I think the point on credibility has been made.
 
rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:16 PM

 
So you say…
 
verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:22 PM

 
Mostly it’s you saying.
 
That’s what makes it stick. Not to mention comical.
 
Regardless, I suppose we could always link back to your recent posts in support of Al Qaeda or against US troops.
 
Credibility-wise, which do you prefer?

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:27 PM

So that’s your response?
Ok.
This isn’t me running away – just throwing up my hands.
(I imagine you’ll quote me in the future from this as having said:
“…running away…”)

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

But when I don’t respond to rogerb’s rhetorical devices…he get’s upset at me for ‘running away’
 

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:25 PM

 
By “rhetorical devices” you mean direct questions as they relate to our conversation?
 
You do understand how that relates to credibility, right?
 
(Actually, it may be best if you don’t answer that. You’ve got plenty of practice, so I have confidence in your ability.)

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:38 PM

This isn’t me running away – just throwing up my hands.
 
verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

 

(Actually, it may be best if you don’t answer that. You’ve got plenty of practice, so I have confidence in your ability.)
 
rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:38 PM

 
Ha. We were typing at the same time, apparently. Thanks for that, though. That was hilarious.
 
Regardless, and as I asked before, did anyone else besides verbaluce have any problem understanding the relevance of the
“credibility” posts?

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:42 PM

I am going back to work. I hope you saw the link this time rogerb. lolz! ; ) Later.

Bmore on September 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Putin is slimy and sneaky. But he is correct about the middle east.

rebels fight dictictorial leaders not for democracy but so they can impose their own dictatorships.

you get a new one and they are just as bad as the old ones.

gerrym51 on September 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Would it be too much to ask for something original and substantive?
Ok, fine.
Carry on.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Dude…you have to at least try and make sense with this stuff.
Please?
I know you get frustrated when I don’t respond to you…but come on.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM

ad nauseum. FLAILING 101.

Tedious.

Bmore on September 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM

That too.

de rigueur on September 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM

egardless, and as I asked before, did anyone else besides verbaluce have any problem understanding the relevance of the
“credibility” posts?

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Let’s see. W’s “stupid” handling of the Iraq war not only stopped a ruthless dictator who raped and murdered his own people (using chemical weapons!), started three international wars, harbored terorists, violated the terms of his surrender again and again, refused to allow peaceful UN inspections, but also got a dictator NOT involved in the Iraq war to hand over HIS WMD. Most sentient beings would consider that a bonus; Verbaloon characterizes this as “Bush’s credibility was undermined.”

But never mind, Bush is stoopid.

Meanwhile, His Super-Awesomeness not only craps out on Libya (probably because he went with blaming a video rather than Booosh), but also craps out on Syria, first by boldly proclaiming a “red line,” then by giving an address to convince Americans that a limited strike is the way to go, then by ceding the debate to Putin, then urging Congress not to vote. Most sentient beings would consider that to be the latest in a long line of Obama ineptitude; Verbaloon characterizes this as “the consequences of the Iraq War.”

Did I get it?

Maddie on September 12, 2013 at 2:18 PM

I love the assumptions you guys make about my opinion of TV pundits.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Says the guy who attached the term “hero” to Putin regarding someone else’s post.

You’re the one praising Putin…

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

All he said was that the locals have been doing such a poor job at exposing this man’s persistent ineptitude that they’re being shown up by an ex-KGB who has not been particularly friendly to American interests as a whole.

That doesn’t require heroism; it just requires you to be less myopic than the water-carriers.

Bush’s success with regards to his diplomatic achievement of getting Ghadaffi to dismantle his WMD program was beneficial to Bush’s credibility as a leader

You trip yourself up here, in your attempt to pretend to be fair to Bush. The success here was that HE (and Blair) orchestrated the dismantling. Obama just said “we’re gonna bomb you we’re gonna bomb you we’re gonna bomb you we’re gonna bomb you” and the Putin stepped in and “negotiated” this “handover”, which by using Bush as an analogy, you are implying Obama should be given credit for, and it should be considered a victory for his foreign policy.

Yes, what a victory: the Nobel Peace Prize winner being the only guy in the room wanting to attack another nation, and then cut off at the knees by an ex-KGB thug.

The Schaef on September 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM

If Tingles is not careful the liberal union will fine him two Obamacare demerits for being disloyal to the one and only.

logicman_1998 on September 12, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Would it be too much to ask for something original and substantive?
Ok, fine.
Carry on.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 12:57 PM

You’re the troll, sweetie. It’s up to YOU to entertain and you’re failing miserably.

*sad face*

kim roy on September 12, 2013 at 2:37 PM

I haven’t. I’m guessing it relates to me letting the 27 year olds buy my vacation home with what I was once paying for my health insurance premiums.

You don’t still have it, do you?

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 1:16 PM

My, that’s a cute house! And the fall foliage is breathtaking!

Maddie on September 12, 2013 at 2:44 PM

You’re the troll, sweetie. It’s up to YOU to entertain and you’re failing miserably.

*sad face*

kim roy on September 12, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Yup, boring as hell. Thread… *gasp* … dying…

Rogerb, I know you’re awesome and stuff (seriously), but please acknowledge the little gifty link Bmore left for you. That Taxicab dude is an amazing writer, and he wrote about you. I’d be over the moon with pride, but that’s me.

Fallon on September 12, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Okay, now I feel stupid. Apparently, you addressed Bmore after he wrote you the first time and you may have left before reading the link…

*note to self*

Stay out of other people’s business.

Fallon on September 12, 2013 at 2:48 PM

All you dummies who continue to dump on George Bush are just as mindless as the lefties in your acceptance of the MSM narrative. I am tired of it. Go back to your holes and worship Ron Paul.

As for McCain I am loath to admit tht he would be even worse that Obama. Romney may have been the most qualified person to be President since Eisenhower.

jerryofva on September 12, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Sure.
Noted that you can’t manage to explain his mastery in any coherent fashion.
But he has a pal in you for sure.

verbaluce on September 12, 2013 at 1:20 PM

How to put this…softly, verbie…it’s not that I “can’t manage”…it’s that it’s futile to even attempt with you.

Like I said, friendly and politely, you’d be way better off just reading for a while.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Maddie on September 12, 2013 at 2:44 PM

 
It’s a gorgeous area, and the general store isn’t to be missed. First hour gospel, second hour not. You’re liable to see someone famous (well, bluegrass-wise) that was passing through and thought they’d play with the other folks already there.
 
It’s great. Worth a trip if you’re ever within a few hours.
 

Fallon on September 12, 2013 at 2:48 PM

 
Thanks. That was my mistake. I remember saying “shucks” to bmore the first time he noted it and probably didn’t draw enough attention to it. Far from awesome, I’m actually really shy about those kinds of things.
 
bmore: shucks again. :)
 
I thanked the original poster here, btw:
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/03/14/andrea-mitchell-lets-face-it-dianne-feinstein-pwn3d-ted-cruz-in-that-exchange-on-the-second-amendment/comment-page-3/#comment-6804484
 
It would certainly be interesting to know who reads and posts at hotair…

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Maddie on September 12, 2013 at 2:18 PM
The Schaef on September 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Ouch, those will leave a mark. But verbaldouche thinks obama was the big winner in the Syria fiasco..so it will be oblivious to being pwned.

HumpBot Salvation on September 12, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Let me get this straight….left wing nutjobs like verbadouche spent 5-6 years lying to the world about how Bush carried out 9/11 and lied about Iraq’s WMDs so he could steal their oil, then undermined the war effort there every chance they got, and then he’s surprised the U.S. lost some credibility in the world, lol?

xblade on September 12, 2013 at 3:32 PM

If things keep up the way they’re going, maybe Sarah Palin really will be able to see Russia from her house………

KMC1 on September 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Can you provide the source for this??? All I can find is somebody on SNL pretending to be Palin in a skit on a show that nobody watches. Funny how the Dems win elections on the phony “war on women” theme yet will totally destroy any woman with common sense.

For the record, Palin won…she is making much more money than Biden.

teejk on September 12, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Palin’s exact quote:

They’re our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska

Slate says:

In the middle of the Bering Strait are two small, sparsely populated islands: Big Diomede, which sits in Russian territory, and Little Diomede, which is part of the United States. At their closest, these two islands are a little less than two and a half miles apart, which means that, on a clear day, you can definitely see one from the other.

The New York Times (c. 1988) says:

To the Russian mainland from St. Lawrence Island, a bleak ice-bound expanse the size of Long Island out in the middle of the Bering Sea, the distance is 37 miles. From high ground there or from the Air Force facility at Tin City atop Cape Prince of Wales, the westernmost edge of mainland North America, on a clear day you can see Siberia with the naked eye.

The Schaef on September 12, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Matthews: Remember when US had a real leader, like … George W. Bush?

That’s odd. We here realized that before The One ever got elected.

Next time, don’t vote for an obvious puppet with no real life history and no qualifications for the job.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 12, 2013 at 4:06 PM

It would certainly be interesting to know who reads and posts at hotair…

rogerb on September 12, 2013 at 3:05 PM

LOLZ! Not sure about that. You and I do share at least one thing in common. The awkwardness associated with praise. ; )

Bmore on September 12, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Can you provide the source for this??? All I can find is somebody on SNL pretending to be Palin in a skit on a show that nobody watches. Funny how the Dems win elections on the phony “war on women” theme yet will totally destroy any woman with common sense.

For the record, Palin won…she is making much more money than Biden.

teejk on September 12, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Noticed on the People’s Cube the other day an article that blasted Palin…I was pretty surprised at that…

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 12, 2013 at 4:28 PM

I remember when Bush left the White House, Tingles was laughing and playing “I did it my way”. Wow, how things have changed. I wonder what song we’ll be singing when obama leaves?

HellCat on September 12, 2013 at 5:49 PM

People who can’t see the obvious.

Lean Forward, Jacka$$.

Noticed on the People’s Cube the other day an article that blasted Palin…I was pretty surprised at that…

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 12, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Huh.

The person who has been almost 100% correct on all the crap going down four years before it happened.

Huh. I used to like that place.

98ZJUSMC on September 12, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Milbank said Obama’s political nuance looks too much like “muddled thinking” to people, suggesting he needs to start campaigning for big issues with bumper-sticker slogans.

Heh, because nothing says nuance like a bumper sticker.

Yeeesh…..

Best. And. Brightest.

98ZJUSMC on September 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Stein made it clear part of the lack of action in Washington is derived in part from Republican obstructionism.

And now, you will blow me.

98ZJUSMC on September 12, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Matthews even went so far as to suggest that he misses George W. Bush … a little, anyway

I wonder what his BAC level was when blurted this out.

farsighted on September 12, 2013 at 6:42 PM

LOLZ! Not sure about that. You and I do share at least one thing in common. The awkwardness associated with praise. ; )

Bmore on September 12, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Cool, both of you, incl. the “awkwardness” :)

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Oceans recede…or do they rise?

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 7:09 PM

rogerb

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 7:10 PM

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