CNN poll: ObamaCare support collapsing with women, working class

posted at 12:01 pm on September 12, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Now that Congress can take a pass on authorizing military strikes on Syria, they can get down to the expected business of the fall session — passing a budget.  Republicans plan to make ObamaCare a big issue in the three-phase process of writing a continuing resolution, raising the debt ceiling, and finalizing the FY2014 budget.  They have a wave of public revulsion over the Affordable Care Act on their side, as CNN’s latest poll showed, with support for ObamaCare dropping to its lowest level in the series, especially among its target constituencies:

According to the poll, support for Obamacare appears to be dropping.

In January 51% said they favored all or most of the provisions in the new law. Now that figure is down to 39%.

Support has dropped in virtually all demographic categories, but it has fallen the farthest among two core Democratic groups – women and Americans who make less than $50,000.

“Those are also the two groups that are most likely to pay attention to health insurance issues, and possibly the ones most likely to be affected by any changes,” adds Holland. “That may be particularly true for lower-income Americans who are most likely to have part-time jobs, be on Medicaid, or not currently have health insurance and thus be the first to have to navigate the new system.”

On the flip side, those who oppose most or all of the ACA’s provisions has risen to 57%, and the momentum will grow as more of the economic consequences develop.  Trader Joe’s just canceled its coverage for part-time employees, a worker-friendly policy that had won the retailer kudos from its largely progressive clientele over the past years, and more employers are looking for part-time workers to avoid ObamaCare than ever.

The demographics of this question are the most fascinating, though, as CNN highlights.  It’s still popular among Democrats (70/26), liberals (61/32) and barely among “non-whites” (51/44), but that’s about it. It’s slightly underwater among 18-34YOs now (46/49), and way underwater among all other age demos, with opposition at 59% or higher.  Independents hate it (31/64), and “moderates” now clearly oppose it too, by a double-digit gap (42/54). In the working class, where the subsidies are intended to buy support, it’s now failing by 38/58.

That still doesn’t make it easy for Republicans to win this battle.  The same poll shows the GOP most at risk in a government shutdown scenario, with 51% ready to blame Republicans and only 33% for Obama.  That proportion is remarkably consistent throughout the non-partisan demos, although it narrows a little among independents (45% and 33%, respectively).

The GOP needs to tread carefully, as I argue in my column today for The Fiscal Times, and tread effectively, too:

Defunding would certainly be the most complete solution. That would create at least a de facto delay for a year for some of the ACA functions, but not all of them. Most of the funding for Obamacare comes from statutory spending and not budgetary spending, which takes the context out of the budget fight altogether. A recent Congressional Research Service analysis requested from Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) showed that the IRS would still collect taxes, state and federal ACA exchanges would still operate, and most importantly, HHS would still fund subsidies for health insurance through them.

If the goal is to stop the subsidies, then the defunding strategy would not succeed, not unless its backers could get 60 votes in the Senate for a complete repeal of the entire ACA, along with Obama’s signature on it. That opportunity slipped away at the last election.

What about the delay strategy? Grassroots conservatives dislike this option as a kick-the-can-down-the-road strategy, but it has its advantages. First, a delay of the individual mandate and the ACA exchanges would actually achieve the goal of shutting down the subsidies, something that defunding won’t accomplish. Second, the Obama administration has provided ample precedent for delaying key parts of the ACA, both on its own and through Congress, complete with presidential signatures blessing them.  Again on Senator Coburn’s request, the CRS detailed 19 instances in which the White House either approved Congressional delays on the ACA or instituted them administratively – most notoriously on the employer mandates and the insurer out-of-pocket caps, both of which cut against consumers while imposing a mandate to force them into the system anyway.  …

While Obama would refuse to sign off on a repeal, the dichotomy of leaving consumers to twist in the wind while employers and insurers get valuable breaks might be enough for the White House to back down temporarily from this fight.  After his Syria retreat, Obama has burned so much capital with fellow Democrats who publicly called for war just to see Obama back away that he may not have much choice but to let them off the hook with constituents angry over Obamacare.

Republicans will have the public and the higher ground of responsible policy on their side with that strategy, that battleground, and that goal in mind until the 2014 midterm election gives them the opportunity to take the fight farther.

Yesterday, Reuters reported that the GOP seems to be coalescing around a delay strategy on the debt-ceiling fight, and the defunding effort on the CR:

Floating a strategy for thwarting “Obamacare” in autumn fiscal debates, House Republican leaders on Tuesday pledged to demand a one-year delay to the health reform law in any deal to raise the federal debt limit.

They also unveiled a strategy to withhold money to implement Obamacare in connection with a stop-gap funding measure that would keep government agencies open from October 1 to December 15.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor told House Republicans in a closed-door meeting that delaying all or part of Obamacare would be a key goal in the debt limit debate, party aides said. Reuters first reported that the delay strategy was under consideration in August.

I’d rather they swap the two.  The GOP is not going to play chicken on the debt-ceiling fight all the way to the finish, which we’ve already seen, and Democrats are not going to defund ObamaCare in a CR fight — and defunding won’t stop the exchanges and the subsidies anyway. Force Democrats to defend the individual mandate in the CR fight, and they’re likelier to cave as ObamaCare gets more and more unpopular.  If they do, Obama is more likely to sign the CR with the delay rather than the defunding, which (a) won’t stop ObamaCare and (b) will never get out of the Senate anyway.

Update; The House took action today on the delay front, explicitly about subsidies and fraud:

The House passed a bill Thursday to ban new subsidies to help people buy health insurance until the Obama administration enacts a new verification system to ensure benefits go only to those who are eligible.

Democrats say the bill, which has no chance in the Democratic-controlled Senate, would unnecessarily delay subsidies slated to start next year.

Thursday’s vote was the 41st by House Republicans to repeal, de-fund or change the health care law since it was passed in 2010 without a single Republican vote. A few changes have been enacted, but the effort has largely been unsuccessful.

The 235-191 vote was mostly along party lines, with Republicans in favor and Democrats opposed. …

Republicans say there aren’t enough safeguards to prevent fraud. They say federal regulations issued over the summer would enable people to get subsidies without adequately verifying their income. The bill would delay the subsidies until the inspector general for the Department of Health and Human Services certifies that they will only go to people who are eligible.

“This bill would protect American taxpayers from the staggering amount of fraud and abuse in Obamacare exchanges,” said Rep. Diane Black, R-Tenn. the main sponsor of the bill.

That’s a good start.


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The unions are fit to be tied too.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:03 PM

‘Best’ of all are the myriad of companies.

Boycott them all, the bastids. They use obama’care’ to fire people, but then they threaten with amnesty.

May they all go to Hades, along with those who brung obama and obama’care’.

The land is full of traitors in DC, from both sides.

I despose Cantor as much as obama and Reid/Pelosi.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Womp womp.

Good Lt on September 12, 2013 at 12:05 PM

DEFUND OBAMACARE

It’s that simple even a gop “leader” could understand!!!!

PappyD61 on September 12, 2013 at 12:06 PM

obama’care/amnesty will finish the land off.

Be on the lookout – the WH is hosting the freshmen congress-critters today…excuse is Syria…but it’s all about the budget, sequester, obama’care’ and amnesty.

If the weasels sell out, send all packing in 2014.

The year 2014 is the chance to send most all back home, no matter how long they’ve been in DC, the traitorous exploitative class. The land is no longer represented.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Besides the increase cost of obamacare, I want the gov out of my life. I don’t want them having access to my health records. This is ridiculous.

Blake on September 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Republicans plan to make ObamaCare a big issue in the three-phase process of writing a continuing resolution, raising the debt ceiling, and finalizing the FY2014 budget.

I think that what you mean to say is that they plan on making it a big political issue, while doing nothing about it.

besser tot als rot on September 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Hubba Hubba……Reid said the “Anarchists” are controlling the gop now!!!

Bbbbbbwwwwhhhaaaaa

PappyD61 on September 12, 2013 at 12:08 PM

The same poll shows the GOP most at risk in a government shutdown scenario, with 51% ready to blame Republicans and only 33% for Obama.

Well, that’s what happens when you have even the GOP leadership out there saying that the actual plan is to shut down the government. Is it any wonder that the public would blame the GOP for a government shutdown under such circumstances?

besser tot als rot on September 12, 2013 at 12:10 PM

raising the debt ceiling

there is no debt ceiling…

equanimous on September 12, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Well this is encouraging.

workingclass artist on September 12, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Wouldn’t it be easier to just identify and report those groups among which PlaceboCare support is rising?

Oh, wait!

ShainS on September 12, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Floating a strategy for thwarting “Obamacare” in autumn fiscal debates, House Republican leaders on Tuesday pledged to demand a one-year delay to the health reform law in any deal to raise the federal debt limit.

Are they going to do it as two bills? One where they raise the debt ceiling and one where they do a one year delay? So the Senate can come back and just pass the debt ceiling bill and not the delay bill? That seems to be a preferred GOP tactic for doing nothing after all.

besser tot als rot on September 12, 2013 at 12:12 PM

NHS Death Rate Is One Of Worst In The West: Patients 50% More Likely To Die Of Neglect Than In US, Says Govt Study

* Clinical care trails the rest of the Western World

* British patients were found to be almost 50 PERCENT more likely to die from poor care than those in America.

* Britons have FIVE TIMES the chance of dying from pneumonia than U.S.

* Death rates in English hospitals last year were 45 PERCENT HIGHER THAN AMERICA

* Death rates for hospitals in England were 22.5% HIGHER than in six others in the western world including Canada and France.

* The adjusted death rate in English hospitals is 58 PERCENT higher than the best of the countries.

But, but, but, they have universal healthcare!!!

Resist We Much on September 12, 2013 at 12:13 PM

If they do, Obama is more likely to sign the CR with the delay rather than the defunding, which (a) won’t stop ObamaCare and (b) will never get out of the Senate anyway.

The CR wouldn’t have “defunding” of Obamacare. It would fund the government, but not provide further funds to Obamacare. Big difference.

besser tot als rot on September 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Besides the increase cost of obamacare, I want the gov out of my life. I don’t want them having access to my health records. This is ridiculous.

Blake on September 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM

No see they need your records so they can help

workingclass artist on September 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM

And, why are we talking about CRs? When is congress and do its job and pass actual budgets?

besser tot als rot on September 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM

raising the debt ceiling

there is no debt ceiling…

equanimous on September 12, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Exactly.

If anything, it’s a debt floor

ShainS on September 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM

The House took action today on the delay front, explicitly about subsidies and fraud:

The House passed a bill Thursday to ban new subsidies to help people buy health insurance until the Obama administration enacts a new verification system to ensure benefits go only to those who are eligible.

Democrats say the bill, which has no chance in the Democratic-controlled Senate, would unnecessarily delay subsidies slated to start next year.

I wouldn’t call that taking action. I’d call that engaging in theatre. Just like all of the “repeal” or “defund” Obamacare votes that the House has already taken.

besser tot als rot on September 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Resist We Much on September 12, 2013 at 12:13 PM

No…see this is the British way of budget management.

workingclass artist on September 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Go to labor and ask them to craft the exemption language they want. Them include everyone else in that language, introduce it in the House and, presto!, you have a popular, labor-backed, end to ZeroCare. Dare the Democrats to vote against it. Dare them to flout the will of their primary constituents, but know this: they won’t.

MTF on September 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM

With women? What the deuce?! How will they afford their birth control?

happytobehere on September 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM

they need to stop delaying chunks of this mess, either the entire law needs to go into effect or none of it.

bannor on September 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Isn’t this the law now? It doesn’t matter if people support it or not. It’s the law. Obama is the law. Roberts is the law.

happytobehere on September 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Go to labor and ask them to craft the exemption language they want. Them include everyone else in that language, introduce it in the House and, presto!, you have a popular, labor-backed, end to ZeroCare. Dare the Democrats to vote against it. Dare them to flout the will of their primary constituents, but know this: they won’t.

MTF on September 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Let’s say you’re right. The bill passes the House 435-0. Then what? The Senate doesn’t have to bring it to a vote at all. It’d just be number 42 on the votes “to repeal, de-fund or change the health care law since it was passed in 2010 without a single Republican vote.”

besser tot als rot on September 12, 2013 at 12:19 PM

It’s insurance renewal season, so it’s a giant mystery to me why the public is learning to hate ObamaCare with a passion.

NotCoach on September 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Let’s say you’re right. The bill passes the House 435-0. Then what? The Senate doesn’t have to bring it to a vote at all. It’d just be number 42 on the votes “to repeal, de-fund or change the health care law since it was passed in 2010 without a single Republican vote.”
besser tot als rot on September 12, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Yep. It’s the law. We can cry and moan and try our hardest, but the electorate voted for this. Single women love it. And we have less married women every year.

We’re totally screwed. Australia is looking better every day.

happytobehere on September 12, 2013 at 12:24 PM

By the time Obama and his goons finish giving exceptions the who issue will be academic.

rplat on September 12, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Isn’t this the law now? It doesn’t matter if people support it or not. It’s the law. Obama is the law. Roberts is the law.

happytobehere on September 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

ObamaCare: It’sI’m.The.Law.

ShainS on September 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM

The same poll shows the GOP most at risk in a government shutdown scenario,

No one with a brain or any integrity should care about this, let alone take it seriously. BarkyCare is un-Constitutional and an affront to everything this nation (Well … America, before it was killed) stood for. The right thing to do is whatever is necessary to repeal BarkyCare – certainly including attaching that repeal to any must-pass budget/CR/debt-limit bill. Period.

As to this shutdown scare … people need to stop this BS, already. After the much dreaded shutdown during Clinton, the GOP lost 2 House seats and gained 2 Senate seats. What a disaster!!!!

If the GOp refuses to do everything possible to rid us of the criminal and un-Constitutional BarkyCare they are more likely to lose more seats than if they fight tooth-and-nail to get it relegated to the ash heap of history, where it belongs. I, for one, am not voting GOP again in large part because they didn’t do squat to repeal BarkyCare (I mean real actions, not just the laughable stand-alone repeal bills they kept passing that they all knew would amount to less than nothing). The fact that the GOP has colluded with the dems on lots of other anti-American policies and re-elected that douchebag loser, the Weeping Boner, added to my disgust with the GOP and determination that a vote for them is a vote for dem policies … lest someone call them “raaaaacists!!”

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 12, 2013 at 12:27 PM

The long hangover. Reality is starting to settle in.

Egfrow on September 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

They voted for it so let them enjoy it.

alanstern on September 12, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Besides the increased cost of obamacare, I want the gov out of my life. I don’t want them having access to my health records. This is ridiculous.

Blake on September 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Not just any part of the government will have access to your entire health records, the IRS, -the most corrupt organization in the federal government, will have all that information.

Obamacare also dictates that the federal government will have online access to ALL of your financial resources, whether savings or checking account, IRA/401K, broker account, credit union, etc.

slickwillie2001 on September 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM

I despose despise Cantor

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 12, 2013 at 12:27 PM

You might think it’s unconstitutional. But it’s actually not, because the one man’s opinion that matters on that subject is John Roberts. And he says it’s totally constitutional… Because tax.

That was our chance. Roberts had an opportunity to take the gun out of the republic’s mouth. But Roberts sold out and let the republic shoot itself.

That was our chance. It’s game over. There are consequences to horrible people making terrible decisions. We cannot undo this monstrosity.

Never forget, the electorate voted for this. When all is said and done, they voted for it in the only poll that mattered.

happytobehere on September 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM

CNN poll: ObamaCare support collapsing with women, working class

So we can expect an appearance by Debbie Schultz shortly?

Happy Happy.

ToddPA on September 12, 2013 at 12:40 PM

The long hangover. Reality is starting to settle in.
Egfrow on September 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

No, it’s not. This is a temporary thing. The electorate will vote for this and any other nonsense the Dems want in the next election too.

(Except for gun control. The NRA is our only worthy lobbying effort. Those guys are effective.)

happytobehere on September 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Just wait until the ‘train wreck’ kicks in October 1st.

By November 1st you won’t find one Democrat who will admit they voted for this POS legislation.

Except for Nancy and Harry. And they’ll blame “Republican obstructionism”.

GarandFan on September 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM

We’re totally screwed. Australia is looking better every day.

happytobehere on September 12, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Heck, red China is starting to look good. At least they have a strong economy.

UltimateBob on September 12, 2013 at 12:50 PM

When fantasy and reality meet up, its usually not a pretty sight.

DDay on September 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Obamacare will eventually collapse on its own weight of stupidity…

mnjg on September 12, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Don’t shut down the government, don’t defund it. Implement it, that will be the Democrats worst nightmare. Then comes the repeal.

Little Boomer on September 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM

My wife who is a Teachers Union member says Obama is thoroughly hated by most members.

I love it.

portlandon on September 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM

This thing stinks on ice. But at least Sandra Fluke will have a lifetime of rubbers and spermicide.

/Yay. Obamacare.

Key West Reader on September 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM

This is the nothing but the Clinton machine at work, slowly dismantling this fraud. I’ve predicted it, as well as my pleasure in watching the slow disembowelment of one so deserving.

Then, I knowingly wait for the next-in-line crowned Dem to reach the pinnacle of the future unquestionable Queen.

avagreen on September 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Obamacare will eventually collapse on its own weight of stupidity…

mnjg on September 12, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Perhaps but remember one of the basic tenets of liberalism:

“Government grows through failure.”

PackerBronco on September 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Support has dropped in virtually all demographic categories, but it has fallen the farthest among two core Democratic groups – women and Americans who make less than $50,000.

The two core groups are really women and women who make less than $50K per year. Women elected the Marxist twice. Maybe they, and SEIU and the Teamsters, should not be exempted from Obamacare. Wouldn’t that be sweet justice?

cajunpatriot on September 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Now that Congress can take a pass on authorizing military strikes on Syria, they can get down to the expected business of the fall session — passing a budget.

Keep in mind that we have maxed out our national credit card on May 17th and the Treasury has been using “extraordinary measures” to continue borrowing money from other sources which are not considered subject to the debt limit… essentially we have been on overdraft for nearly four months, and we’re getting close to having nowhere else to borrow from.

Since that “extaordinary measures” borrowing will be immediately repaid and made whole as soon as the debt limit is raised, our true national debt is actually well over the current debt limit. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $17.2 Trillion, even though the Daily Treasury Statements have claimed that the debt subject to the legal limit has remained at exactly $16,699,396,000,000–or about $25 million below the legal limit–every day since May 17.

Dems are going to claim, right before the Columbus Day congressional break, that if the Republicans don’t do exactly what the Democrats want at the 11th hour, then the U.S. will DEFAULT during that recess. Count on these last minute tactics by the Democrats to get what they want from the negotiation.

ITguy on September 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Story related to my last comment:

Treasury: Debt Up $0 in August;
CBO: But Deficit Was $146B

ITguy on September 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

The GOP suggestion to ‘DELAY’ Obamacare for a year is insidious.

The reason they wish to merely delay Obamacare, rather than defund it and repeal it, is simply that it gives them a large club to batter the Democrats with in the midterms.

We handed the GOP an historic victory in the last midterms. And like the true one trick ponies they are, they are hoping that allowing this disaster, Obamacare, to hang over our heads will compel us to hand them yet another historic victory, this time in the senate.

The irony here is that if they would defund and repeal Obamacare we would certainly hand them that victory for standing up, doing their jobs, and doing what we sent them there to do last election.

This tactic of using Obamacare as a lingering threat to our very lives and quality of life may well backfire, and deservedly so.

thatsafactjack on September 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

I honestly don’t think a shutdown will hurt the GOP that much. The last time it happened, I was working, etc., and didn’t even notice it.

PattyJ on September 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Can unions legally get waivers from Obama and the Democrats? Wouldn’t this be a blatant example of discrimination on the part of the U.S. government and a solid case to sue in Federal Court on behalf of the non-union people?

If not, can Obama legally choose what unions get waivers and unions that don’t?

metroryder on September 12, 2013 at 4:05 PM

They are against it because it does not go far enough.

/lib

Seriously, the GOP needs to nationalize the 2014 elections and make the all about Øbamacare.

Want it repealed? Vote Republican!

Kafir on September 12, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Wow, let’s compare our founding fathers to the trash we have in Congress today. The FF risked their families, fortune and lives to start a new government not knowing if they would win or lose all. And now we have the privileged bunch in DC who are afraid of shutting down the bureaucracy for a day or two out of fear of a voter backlash! Wow,just Wow. Where have all the balls gone?

inspectorudy on September 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM

I am a woman AND of the working class. I have NEVER supported ObamaCare. Unlike a lot of the apathetic great unwashed, I am not stupid nor apathetic. Some of us (working class) knew what it was going to do to this country.

Fiscally conservative working class pagan Libertarian, and d@mn proud of it. LOL…am I an anomaly, or just an oxymoron?

sage0925 on September 12, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Hmmm…I guess I should have said that I am not unwashed, either…lol.

sage0925 on September 12, 2013 at 7:56 PM