Chuck Todd: The Colorado recall means Dems will tell Bloomberg’s anti-gun group to take a hike

posted at 1:21 pm on September 12, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Plenty of Democrats apparently still feel inclined to believe that this week’s successful Colorado recall election was the result of a teeny, tiny but vociferously vocal minority that only managed to pull out a victory because of 1) the egregious gobs of cash funneled their way by the NRA, the Koch Brothers, and other such seedy groups, and 2) the “tactical reasons why Democrats didn’t have a chance here,” i.e. the far-fetched and baseless claims of “voter suppression” à la Debbie Wasserman Schultz. The truth of the matter, of course, tells rather a different story: In fact, a Public Policy Poll that they, ahem, declined to release showed a large margin of support for the pro-recall side; and what’s more, liberal groups outspent the pro-Second Amendment crowd by a 7-to-1 margin. The MSNBC crowd, too, seems happy to gloss over these key pieces of information, but Chuck Todd does point out that this was not, as DWS called determinedly titled it, a “hollow victory.” In a lot of areas, gun control is simply not a winning issue for Democrats, and one of the biggest takeaways here is that Democrats are likely to actively eschew any offering of “help” from the contaminating effects of the well-monied and rabidly anti-gun Bloomberg group — and if he persists in providing it, it’s the Democrats who’ll suffer.

Look, Democrats — when you look at Colorado, the whole reason why it’s a state that looked like it’s just passing through swing-state status on it’s way to being reliably Democratic is because Democrats, starting in 2004, just neutralized the gun issue. And there was never any Democrat that ran state-wide that was not seen as pro-gun, didn’t allow that issue to get there, and they were able to sort of marginalize the Republican party on immigration, on social issues, etcetera, and win. And now I think you’re going to see, Steve’s right, there were unique circumstances in these races, and the rules in mail-in ballots, you can go through a lot of tactical reasons why Democrats didn’t have a good chance here. But I can tell you this, you know the way Democrats — James will know this, every Democrat south of the Mason-Dixon line and west of the Mississippi is going to look at those results and say, ‘Michael Bloomberg, get away from me, stay out of my state, stay out of my district, I don’t want to talk about it.


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Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, come on man!

Debbie told us all it was VOTER SUPPRESSION!

Get with the program!

ToddPA on September 12, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Gun control is political seppuku.

myiq2xu on September 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Bloomberg’s Gun-Grabbing Group In Denial

Old & Busted:

‘For Mayors Against Illegal Guns, if they lose even one of these seats, they might as well fold it up. And they understand that.’

- FORMER Colorado State Senator Angela Giron

New Hotness:

‘Full speed ahead. The lesson of yesterday is one we already knew: You can cherry-pick elections, spend a lot of money, and defeat and elect candidates. We will do exactly the same.’

- Mark Glaze, executive director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns

Good luck with that, Democrats!!!

Resist We Much on September 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Happiness is a warm gun,bang bang shoot shoot.

docflash on September 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Can we stop calling them MAIG and call them what they really are? MAG. Seriously, who is for illegal guns? What law enforcement agency in the country turns the other cheek on illegal guns? The only reason there is an ‘I’ in ‘MAIG’ is to obscure the truth.

NotCoach on September 12, 2013 at 1:33 PM

It’s creepy enough when one of the richest men in the world becomes mayor of a city and thinks he has the right to dictate the minutiae of the lives of the citizens he represents, much less those that he doesn’t represent and who live hundreds of miles outside his jurisdiction.

JimLennon on September 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

In a lot of areas, gun control is simply not a winning issue for Democrats, and one of the biggest takeaways here is that Democrats are likely to actively eschew any offering of “help” from the contaminating effects of the well-monied and rabidly anti-gun Bloomberg group — and if he persists in providing it, it’s the Democrats who’ll suffer.

Well, Bloomberg’s group doesn’t help themselves when they do stuff like including the Boston Marathon bomber on their list of victims of guns lists.

Happy Nomad on September 12, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Good.

rbj on September 12, 2013 at 1:41 PM

LOL. You’d like to think they’re that smart, Chuck.

Except once Barky has realized his Syria endeavor has become a massive failure because Russia is full of racists, he’s going to need something to jump on. Or if not then, then whenever the next thing he’s jumped on goes down in flames of failure and humiliation. Eventually some crazy will bring a gun somewhere he shouldn’t and then it will be the gun control push again…because he only has 3 cards in his deck that aren’t “race” and that’s one of them.

And you leftists might say that you’ve learned your lesson, but your king will be telling you to go with it, and Bloomy will be there as the leech that he is. There will be that temptation that always comes when your statist heroes tell you there’s an opportunity to seize power and violate the Constitution and you won’t be able to resist. Some of you will realize its stupid and waffle like idiots (aka The Mark Pryor), others will go all-in and be as batcrap leftist as possible (aka The Mary Landrieu), and PPP will be there every step of the way to tell you it’s all right and offer you no warning at all when you’re screwed.

Popcorn – salt and butter, and a diet Coke, please.

Gingotts on September 12, 2013 at 1:42 PM

when you look at Colorado, the whole reason why it’s a state that looked like it’s just passing through swing-state status on it’s way to being reliably Democratic is because Democrats, starting in 2004, just neutralized the gun issue.

In other words, they lied about who they are and couldn’t resist revealing their true nature after Sandy Hook.

It’s not about Bloomberg.

It’s about them doing something that reveals to the Low Information Voter who they really are, and suddenly becoming unacceptable.

jaydee_007 on September 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM

This is also why the President got elected. A ton of low information voters who voted for the liberal, not caring what actual policies they represent. How else do you explain, without a tin foil hat, how these guys got voted into office in Colorado in the first place if their policies were so unpopular?

WitchDoctor on September 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Or they could do what they usually do and take his money but not run on his agenda. That would be funny.

Cindy Munford on September 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Happiness is a warm gun,bang bang shoot shoot.

docflash on September 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM

“when I feel my finger on your trigger”!!

ToddPA on September 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Democrats refuse to learn when it comes to bad gun laws. Some Democrats still claim that the “Assault Weapons” Ban didn’t cost them control of Congress.

Having said that, while I applaud the recall efforts after being outspent 8-1, they need to get the legislature to repeal the idiotic gun laws that were passed. Successful recall or not, those laws are still on the books and need to be removed while they have momentum.

Johnnyreb on September 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

It would be accurate to say that the recall campaign was driven by opposition to the anti-gun bills which Morse and Giron pushed through the legislature. But this is only the first part of the story. As it turns out, Morse and Giron sealed their fates on March 4, the day that the anti-gun bills were heard in Senate committees. At Morse’s instruction, only 90 minutes of testimony per side were allowed on each of the gun bills. As a result, hundreds of Colorado citizens were prevented from testifying even briefly. Many of them had driven hours to come to the Capitol, traveling from all over the state.

That same day, 30 Sheriffs came to testify. They too were shut out, with only a single Sheriff allowed to testify on any given bill. So while one Sheriff testified, others stood up with him in support.

Admirably, Morse had urged his Committee Chairs to be polite and courteous to all witnesses, and they were. But President Morse did not follow the standard practice of the Colorado legislature, by which any citizen who wishes to testify is allowed to be heard, at least briefly. The patient endurance of Colorado legislative committees which have heard hour upon hour of testimony on bills about gay rights, motorcycle helmets, and other social controversies is a tribute to our republican form of government.

When Morse shut that down, and Chairperson Giron went along, they crossed the double-red line of Colorado government. Had the seven gun control bills (one of which I testified in favor) been heard on March 4-6, instead of being rammed through committees on March 4, the recall might never have happened. It’s one thing to lose; it’s another to thing to lose when you didn’t even have the opportunity to present your reasoning. While the gun control bills were before the Senate in March, President Morse urged his caucus to stop reading emails, to stop reading letters from constituents, to stop listening to voicemails, to vote for the gun bills and ignore the constituents. Giron, presciently following this strategy, had allowed citizens to raise Second Amendment concerns at a single town hall meeting, and thereafter refused to discuss the issue at public fora.

If an 8:1 Bloomberg money advantage can’t buy an election, then elected officials will be more reluctant to support repressive gun bills. As Giron told The New Republic, “”For Mayors Against Illegal Guns, if they lose even one of these seats, they might as well fold it up. And they understand that.”

J_Crater on September 12, 2013 at 2:00 PM

… all of which is a good reason why the GOP (haha, like they’d do anything smart) should make this a national issue. Make it their version of “the war on women” and paint every f*cking Democrat all the way down to the dogcatcher with it.

Midas on September 12, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Having said that, while I applaud the recall efforts after being outspent 8-1, they need to get the legislature to repeal the idiotic gun laws that were passed. Successful recall or not, those laws are still on the books and need to be removed while they have momentum.

Johnnyreb on September 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Yep. Obamacare may have cost the Dems the House in 2010 – but it’s still on the books.

Kill it.

Midas on September 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM

“You don’t ignore — you do not ignore 90% of the American people on an issue of public safety. You don’t do it. They did it yesterday, and I’ve got to say, mark it down, this is going to be a turning point in the history of the Republican party as well. And let those out there chattering, let them chatter away all they want to and scream like hyenas. Let them do what they want to do.

This party that killed this background check yesterday, this party is moving toward extinction. A new Republican party is going to replace it and this is going toe a vote people will look back on and say that party, that extremism that was unsustainable.”

~Joe Scarborough, April 18th, 2013

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/18/scarborough_blasts_gop_senators_for_voting_against_gun_control_this_party_is_moving_toward_extinction.html

Lawdawg86 on September 12, 2013 at 2:16 PM

… all of which is a good reason why the GOP (haha, like they’d do anything smart) should make this a national issue. Make it their version of “the war on women” and paint every f*cking Democrat all the way down to the dogcatcher with it.

Midas on September 12, 2013 at 2:03 PM

If I recall correctly, the state Republican party actively resisted the recall efforts in Colorado. Don’t forget that the national Republicans tried to rescue Obama’s gun registry after it died in the Senate.

Doomberg on September 12, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Successful recall or not, those laws are still on the books and need to be removed while they have momentum.

Johnnyreb on September 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

The gov will just veto any attempt to change the laws.

Dr. Frank Enstine on September 12, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Don’t forget that the national Republicans tried to rescue Obama’s gun registry after it died in the Senate.

Doomberg on September 12, 2013 at 2:28 PM

That’s because the repubs are doing everything they can to make sure BO is successful. Sure they throw bones every now and then on worthless issues to keep the base in line but, on the important things they support BO 100%.

Dr. Frank Enstine on September 12, 2013 at 2:33 PM

If you look at the party affiliation of those that signed the recall petitions, D+I significantly outnumbered R.

slickwillie2001 on September 12, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Bringing back our own ‘nonpartisan’…

how could this cost them the senate if 90% of Americans, 80% of gunowners, and 70% of NRA households favor it?

the cowards who voted no, on the other hand, may be in for a surprise when reelection comes

nonpartisan on April 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Obama is showing his anger on behalf of the parents of newtown

He is angry that the congress is so limp as to not even able to pass something that 90% of Americans, 80% of gunowners, and 70% of NRA households support

he is livid at the cowards who have let the newtown victims die in vain

it is righteous anger

nonpartisan on April 17, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Resist We Much on September 12, 2013 at 2:52 PM

I do not believe
That it’s “Ninety Six Percent”
It’s more like Fifty.

Nothing is a 96% issue in this country. Motherhood and Apple Pie scores in the mid 80s.

The reason so many oppose Universal Background Checks legislation is because nobody trusts the government not to abuse the system to create a national registry. A national registry is still a 50/50 issue in this country, with all of the intensity on the side of those opposed. After the NSA and IRS scandals, people trust the government even less than they did last Spring.

Haiku Guy on September 12, 2013 at 2:53 PM

How about American voters standing up for The Constitution is the reason the recall was successful!! It’s about time those who love this country start to push back the corrupt ways of the lying administration. This country is tanking under the Democrats control. Great job Colorado!!

karlinsync on September 12, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Successful recall or not, those laws are still on the books and need to be removed while they have momentum.

Johnnyreb on September 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

The gov will just veto any attempt to change the laws.

Dr. Frank Enstine on September 12, 2013 at 2:31 PM

While that is probably what is going to happen [If the Republicans try. They did oppose the recalls and refused to help at all.] Hickenlooper himself is in more than a little trouble. There was a failed attempt to get a recall petition against him, he has refused to either execute a mass murderer whose appeals were up or commute his sentence, instead giving him a stay until his term is up, he has been releasing criminals from our prison system as fast as he can [one of which murdered the head of the Department of Corrections on release!]. If he does veto any repeal, he guarantees a hard fight to be re-elected, one that he may well lose.

Subotai Bahadur

Subotai Bahadur on September 12, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Mika makes rocks appear intelligent.

Schadenfreude on September 12, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Looks like Fat Mike gives ‘the kiss of death’ to everything he touches. Just like King Barry.

GarandFan on September 12, 2013 at 3:15 PM

It’s creepy enough when one of the richest men in the world becomes mayor of a city and thinks he has the right to dictate the minutiae of the lives of the citizens he represents, much less those that he doesn’t represent and who live hundreds of miles outside his jurisdiction.

JimLennon on September 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Megalomania.

It’s the liberal disease.

In the social world, ‘megalomania…can be a characteristic of power-drunk or control-freak dictators, some executives, some politicians and some army generals’.[16] All such figures may be said to have ‘a “Big Ego”. A baby’s ego, in fact, insufficiently shrunk….So they’re much more likely to miscalculate. To offend people’.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania

avagreen on September 12, 2013 at 3:29 PM

In a lot of areas, gun control is simply not a winning issue for Democrats

Will somebody let that dingbat Kelly Ayote know so she’ll stop supporting every crazy liberal idea John McCain comes up with as a way of apologizing for her vote against gun control?

xblade on September 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM

How heavily armed are Bloomberg’s bodyguards? How heavily armed will they be when he is no longer mayor? Just asking.

Fred 2 on September 12, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Steve Schmidt? Really?

InterestedObserver on September 12, 2013 at 3:57 PM

This will probably sting a bit, but for the most part almost every area for the exception of the Northeast. Republicans and Conservatives feel the same way about NE Republicans.

DDay on September 12, 2013 at 4:10 PM

The gov will just veto any attempt to change the laws.
Dr. Frank Enstine on September 12, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Hickupblooper has to run for re-election in 2014….
Change the Governor, then repeal the laws.

Another Drew on September 12, 2013 at 4:12 PM

As Limbaugh call him ‘F Chuck Todd’ Admission must of hurt.

RdLake on September 12, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Gun control is political seppuku.

myiq2xu on September 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM

You know that, I know that. Anyone with one functioning brain cell can certainly see that. It’s been proven time and again. Yet they keep on trying. Must be that right people thing. The right people just haven’t tried it yet. Here’s to continuing Democrat stupidity. As for committing seppuku, they are welcome to use one of my knives.

Oldnuke on September 12, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Can we stop calling them MAIG and call them what they really are? MAG. Seriously, who is for illegal guns? What law enforcement agency in the country turns the other cheek on illegal guns? The only reason there is an ‘I’ in ‘MAIG’ is to obscure the truth.

NotCoach on September 12, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Ahhhhh – BUT – I think you missed a subtle and unspoken point about these control freaks – if Bloomingidiot and the rest of the dems get their way, ALL guns WILL be illegal…..

dentarthurdent on September 12, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Can we stop calling them MAIG and call them what they really are? MAG. Seriously, who is for illegal guns? What law enforcement agency in the country turns the other cheek on illegal guns? The only reason there is an ‘I’ in ‘MAIG’ is to obscure the truth.

NotCoach on September 12, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Ahhhhh – BUT – I think you missed a subtle and unspoken point about these control freaks – if Bloomingidiot and the rest of the dems get their way, ALL guns WILL be illegal…..

dentarthurdent on September 12, 2013 at 4:58 PM

By far thread winner.

DDay on September 12, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Can we stop calling them MAIG and call them what they really are? MAG. Seriously, who is for illegal guns? What law enforcement agency in the country turns the other cheek on illegal guns? The only reason there is an ‘I’ in ‘MAIG’ is to obscure the truth.

NotCoach on September 12, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Ahhhhh – BUT – I think you missed a subtle and unspoken point about these control freaks – if Bloomingidiot and the rest of the dems get their way, ALL guns WILL be illegal…..

dentarthurdent on September 12, 2013 at 4:58 PM

So their name really should be Mayors For Illegal Guns, since they want to make all guns illegal….

Sounds about right.

There Goes the Neighborhood on September 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Gun control in the 18th century.

Assault muskets.

AesopFan on September 12, 2013 at 10:49 PM