WaPo: Four Pinocchios to Kerry for being against the war after he was for it

posted at 10:01 am on September 10, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Glenn Kessler took a lot of flak from readers last week for his decision not to assign any Pinocchios to Barack Obama for his “I didn’t set the red line” claim. The Washington Post fact-checker returns with a vengeance to look at Secretary of State John Kerry’s claim that he had opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq — which he voted to authorize, a vote he later defended during his 2004 presidential run:

You know, Senator Chuck Hagel, when he was senator, Senator Chuck Hagel, now secretary of defense, and when I was a senator, we opposed the president’s decision to go into Iraq, but we know full well how that evidence was used to persuade all of us that authority ought to be given.”

— Secretary of State John F. Kerry, in an interview with MSNBC, Sept. 5, 2013

Kessler runs down the voting records of both men, and also the record of public statements by Kerry.  At one time, Kerry claimed that he voted to authorize the use of force but didn’t agree with the decision to invade.  Kessler pulls this gem out of the Wayback Machine from the time of the US presentation to the UN in early 2003:

By the time of the March invasion, after Secretary of State Colin L. Powell’s United Nations presentation on Iraq’s alleged weapons, Kerry backed the attack, according to articles that appeared in the Boston Globe (and which were written by one of his current aides at the State Department).

“It appears that with the deadline for exile come and gone, Saddam Hussein has chosen to make military force the ultimate weapons inspections enforcement mechanism,” Kerry said. “If so, the only exit strategy is victory. This is our common mission and the world’s cause. We’re in this together. We want to complete the mission while safeguarding our troops, avoiding innocent civilian casualties, disarming Saddam Hussein, and engaging the community of nations to rebuild Iraq,” he said.

Kessler notes that politicians like to recall the best possible spin on their words, but Kerry is just flat-out lying again about his record:

Many politicians have a tendency to look back at their past statements with rose-colored glasses. But given that Kerry has now twice in recent months made the claim that he opposed the war in Iraq, this is clearly not a case of a momentary slip-up.

For Kerry, the uncomfortable fact remains that he voted to authorize the use of force against Iraq, he believed the intelligence that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and he said there was little choice but to launch an invasion to disarm him. Kerry may have been highly critical of Bush’s diplomatic efforts in advance of the invasion, but that is not the same thing as opposing the war when it started.

It’s time for the secretary to stop making this claim. In trying to make a distinction between his vote to authorize the war and his later dismay at how it turned out, Kerry earns Four Pinocchios.

Maybe we can average them out to 2 apiece, eh?  Meanwhile, Kessler’s colleague Max Fisher expresses his dismay at how stunningly incompetent Kerry has been at selling the military strikes on Syria:

Kerry’s missteps are bad politics for the Obama administration, making it tougher to sell their Syria strikes plan to an already skeptical Congress and American public. But they also have real implications for Syria itself and for the U.S. effort to organize international action to end the war. …

But Kerry’s rhetorical missteps matter for more than just the United States. He responded to a reporter’s question about how Assad could ward off U.S. strikes by floating scenario. “Sure, he could turn over every bit of his weapons to the international community within the next week, without delay,” he said. The problem with this is that Kerry doesn’t get to make offhand analytical comments; he’s the U.S. secretary of state, and whether or not he meant this as an offer to Assad, that’s how it was taken.

Russian and Syrian officials quickly jumped on Kerry’s comments, endorsing the hypothetical as an official offer and suggesting Syria might give up its chemical weapons. There’s a strong case to be made that this would be a great outcome, but it could also simply be a stalling tactic that will make it very tough for the United States to act and could well end with Syria surrendering exactly zero chemical weapons. The Obama administration is now obligated to follow up on Russia’s proposal for Syria to turn over its chemical weapons, giving Moscow a bit more control over the international leadership on Syria and leaving the U.S. with a bit less.

The best analysis in the Washington Post today is that the man appointed by Barack Obama to run American foreign policy is both dishonest and incompetent.  That doesn’t exactly fit with the argument today from Obama apologists that the Russia plan was a brilliant gambit designed by Barack Obama.  We’ll have more on that later, but for now let’s just say that Kerry was against the Russian-inspectors plan before he was for it.


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For the first time in my life I don’t feel safe in this country.

docflash on September 10, 2013 at 10:07 AM

I think the Rodeo Clown guy should get the Medal of Freedom…

PatriotRider on September 10, 2013 at 10:07 AM

So, what is the President’s speech going to be about tonight? The Superbowl in 2014?

Oil Can on September 10, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Secretary Fraken Berry telling tall tales? I’m shocked!

NotCoach on September 10, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Kerry is a scumbag of the lowest order. He is not fit to be in D. C.

davidk on September 10, 2013 at 10:08 AM

So, what is the President’s speech going to be about tonight? The Superbowl in 2014?

Oil Can on September 10, 2013 at 10:07 AM

It will be about the “international red line”, and how Congress must act or he will pass the buck to them.

NotCoach on September 10, 2013 at 10:09 AM

So is that a picture of Kerry’s sad face, angry face?

I can’t tell.

VibrioCocci on September 10, 2013 at 10:09 AM

… giving Moscow a bit more control over the international leadership on Syria…

Why stop there? Russia has to physically monitor the weapons somehow, right? The UN saying: Yes, please, oh please, Russia, please send troops to the Middle East. Indefinitely.

That’s what Obama calls smart diplomacy.

Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:10 AM

John Kerry is really good at marrying wealthy women. Other than that, the man is useless — really, really useless. To think Kerry was considered presidential timber. :-(

Punchenko on September 10, 2013 at 10:10 AM

God help us all…

OmahaConservative on September 10, 2013 at 10:10 AM

I was actually FOR Ghenghis Khan, before I was against him

ToddPA on September 10, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Four Pinocchios?

My God, John Kerry has been lying to America since 1971.

It is what he does.

It is who he is.

When he is not a cabana boy from some old rich heiress.

(That probably takes a good bit of lying, too.)

coldwarrior on September 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM

This so called deal with Russia will come back and bite the administration, further eroding our diplomatic strength and future influence.

Like Obamacare, you have to read the agreement to understand what’s in the agreement. So far all we know is that backsliding Rooskies are still writing the playbook that Obama and Kerry are 100% in on.

The level of incompetence here is staggering.

patman77 on September 10, 2013 at 10:14 AM

The best analysis in the Washington Post today is that the man appointed by Barack Obama to run American foreign policy is both dishonest and incompetent.

How’s that different than the vile woman that was running it before? And John Kerry served in Vietnam! For a few months.

Happy Nomad on September 10, 2013 at 10:14 AM

The best analysis in the Washington Post today is that the man appointed by Barack Obama to run American foreign policy is both dishonest and incompetent.

ted c on September 10, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Kerry who? Syria…is that a type of wine cooler?

Did you guys watch “The Voice” last night, the one girl with the hat could really sing!

Bishop on September 10, 2013 at 10:15 AM

OMG. He’s back and making an even bigger fool of himself.

katy the mean old lady on September 10, 2013 at 10:15 AM

What has happened to this man’s face??

It looks like it’s been in an abusive relationship with
a brick

ToddPA on September 10, 2013 at 10:16 AM

So is that a picture of Kerry’s sad face, angry face?

I can’t tell.

VibrioCocci on September 10, 2013 at 10:09 AM

No, it’s a horse’s ass….

ScottG on September 10, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Secretary Kerry will be unavailable for comment today.This is due to a previously scheduled face waxing appointment.

TedInATL on September 10, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Glenn Kessler took a lot of flak from readers last week for his decision not to assign any Pinocchios to Barack Obama for his “I didn’t set the red line” claim. The Washington Post fact-checker returns with a vengeance to look at Secretary of State John Kerry’s claim…

Kerry is expendable. Obama is not expendable, even though his lie was more blatant.

Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:17 AM

The expressions on the faces of the Armed Services Commission are priceless!

katy the mean old lady on September 10, 2013 at 10:17 AM

So, what is the President’s speech going to be about tonight? The Superbowl in 2014?

Oil Can on September 10, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Could be. Too early to bracket NCAA basketball. But as to Syria, what does Captain Kickass have to say now that he’s delegated foreign policy to Russia?

Happy Nomad on September 10, 2013 at 10:17 AM

WaPo: Four Pinocchios to Kerry for being against the war after he was for it

Who was the idiot who made up this “one, two, three four Pinnochios” scale? Pinnochio’s lies were measured by the length of his nose, not how many of him there were.

This idiocy irks me every time I see it. It reminds me of morons who say “for all intensive purposes” or affirmative action retards who think that “on the precipice” carries a positive connotation.

is it too much to ask for, at least, a fifth grade level of knowledge from those participating in public discourse?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 10, 2013 at 10:20 AM

The best analysis in the Washington Post today is that the man appointed by Barack Obama to run American foreign policy is both dishonest and incompetent.

There’s the old management adage that you should always surround yourself with people smarter and more capable than yourself.

On this, Obama has succeeded marvelously.

turfmann on September 10, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Too often Obama’s presidency runs like a Mr. Bean episode.

If something good happens, its the result of shear incompetence that others may see as “brilliance”.

taznar on September 10, 2013 at 10:21 AM

What has happened to this man’s face??

It looks like it’s been in an abusive relationship with
a brick

ToddPA on September 10, 2013 at 10:16 AM

He looks like he got a makeover from a mortician.

txhsmom on September 10, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Too often Obama’s presidency runs like a Mr. Bean episode.

If something good happens, its the result of shear incompetence that others may see as “brilliance”.

taznar on September 10, 2013 at 10:21 AM

You can tell somebody’s age by whether they reference Mr. Bean or Inspector Clouseau or Barney Fife.

Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:24 AM

The best analysis in the Washington Post today is that the man appointed by Barack Obama to run American foreign policy is both dishonest and incompetent.

Those being The One’s definition of “qualifications”.

clear ether

eon

eon on September 10, 2013 at 10:26 AM

The best analysis in the Washington Post today is that the man appointed by Barack Obama to run American foreign policy is both dishonest and incompetent.

Yes and yes. True on both counts.

And haughty too.

petefrt on September 10, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Four Pinocchios to Kerry

I expected to see Four Purple Hearts for Kerry. What an embarrassment!

fourdeucer on September 10, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Maybe Kerry’s supposed to act utterly dishonest and incompetent (which doesn’t take much acting for him) so that Killary’s tenure as SoS looks better by comparison.

steebo77 on September 10, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Wasn’t his fault. One of those botox injections went in too deep. Caught the edge of his brain. That happened several times in the past to pelosi. Because hw is so much of a francophone, the botox injection in his butt was also too deep and he hasn’t been able to defecate for two months. That is why he looks that way and it only confirms his judgmental ability.

Old Country Boy on September 10, 2013 at 10:31 AM

You can tell somebody’s age by whether they reference Mr. Bean or Inspector Clouseau or Barney Fife.

Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:24 AM

What happened to Mr. Magoo??

Of course, all of those people were either decent or well-intentioned. On that, Barky is unlike any of them.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 10, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Mostly an aside…
but we’ve been through this denigration of Kerry many times here.
For me, it’s just further affirmation on how selective the cons/the right has always been in showing any real admiration or respect for those who serve. There’s those who wrap themselves in the flag, and then there’s those that follow it into battle and get shot at…by real bullets and stuff. Kerry is the latter…and he volunteered for it.
It’d be nice to see some intellectually honest analysis here of what’s actually happening along with Kerry’s attempts to manage it.
But the swift-boating hangover means comments about him being a ‘fool’…and stuff about his face.
Yawn.

And it’s only your problem – and Glenn Kessler’s – if you’re incapable of understanding how someone can be highly critical of various diplomatic efforts preceding a war vote…and yet when those lame half-hearted efforts fail, then reason to vote in support of military action.

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Glenn Kessler took a lot of flak from readers last week for his decision not to assign any Pinocchios to Barack Obama for his “I didn’t set the red line” claim. The Washington Post fact-checker returns with a vengeance to look at Secretary of State John Kerry’s claim…

Kerry is expendable. Obama is not expendable, even though his lie was more blatant.

Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Yes. Kerry is not The Precious, he’ll never be The Precious. The progs have pretty much settled on Hillary for 2016 and anyone other than her will be attacked.

slickwillie2001 on September 10, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Putin steps in and saves both Kerry and Obamas butts and who gets the “credit?” Those two…

sandee on September 10, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Glenn Kessler took a lot of flak from readers last week for his decision not to assign any Pinocchios to Barack Obama for his “I didn’t set the red line” claim.

So, now we know that Kessler doesn’t really check facts wrt Dear Leader. Meh, what good is he? Way too little, too late.

I give Glenn Kessler four raspberries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voKihZAN4ng

Fallon on September 10, 2013 at 10:36 AM

I think the Rodeo Clown guy should get the Medal of Freedom Nobel Peace Prize…

PatriotRider on September 10, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Although granted, the Medal of Freedom probably carries a little more cachet nowadays…

JohnGalt23 on September 10, 2013 at 10:36 AM

There’s those who wrap themselves in the flag, and then there’s those that follow it into battle and get shot at…by real bullets and stuff. Kerry is the latter…and he volunteered for it.

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Just like Benedict Arnold. I guess you are even more distressed when people bad-mouth that traitor, too, especially as Arnold was actually a superb soldier and a true war hero before he chose treason and sided with the enemy.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 10, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Kerry is a scumbag of the lowest order. He is not fit to be in D. C.

davidk on September 10, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Hmmm. I don’t know. That might be a qualification to be in DC.

NavyMustang on September 10, 2013 at 10:40 AM

There’s those who wrap themselves in the flag, and then there’s those that follow it into battle and get shot at…by real bullets and stuff. Kerry is the latter…and he volunteered for it.

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Just like Benedict Arnold. I guess you are even more distressed when people bad-mouth that traitor, too, especially as Arnold was actually a superb soldier and a true war hero before he chose treason and sided with the enemy.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 10, 2013 at 10:38 AM

To my point…
well done.

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:41 AM

The best analysis in the Washington Post today is that the man appointed by Barack Obama to run American foreign policy is both dishonest and incompetent.

So Kerry perfectly reflects both his predecessor Clinton and their Boss…President Obama.

workingclass artist on September 10, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Although granted, the Medal of Freedom probably carries a little more cachet nowadays…

JohnGalt23 on September 10, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Not after Joseph Lowery (“Let us pray for the day when white will embrace what is right” [paraphrased from memory]) and many other dirtbags got it.

Leftists and Indonesians destroy everything they touch.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 10, 2013 at 10:41 AM

<blockquote
What happened to Mr. Magoo??

Of course, all of those people were either decent or well-intentioned. On that, Barky is unlike any of them.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 10, 2013 at 10:32 AMHeh. I do remember Mr. Magoo, but you can’t see any reruns because it’s insensitive to blind people. Somehow. I’m not sure how, but I’ve been assured that it is. Just like Underdog glorifies druggies and Wile E. Coyote desensitizes us to violence.

I must be one messed up dude.

I’m wondering which cartoon character Obama reminds me most of. Elmer Fudd is getting there, but again, his intentions aren’t evil enough.

Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:43 AM

“Those children were kidnapped over a week earlier, before they were slaughtered……. by the Obama backed Syrian rebels.

August 11, 2013 a report discussed the rebels attacking the Latakia village and Sheikh Mohammed Reda Hatem, an Alawite religious leader in Latakia said ”Until now 150 Alawites from the villages have been kidnapped. There are women and children among them. We have lost all contact with them.”

Some of those children were found less than two weeks later, in Ghouta…

The wide distribution of satellite channel images of victims allowed Alawite families near Latakia to recognize their children who had been abducted two weeks prior by the “rebels.” This identification was long in coming because there are few survivors of the massacre by the allies of the United States, the United Kingdom and France in loyalist villages where more than a thousand bodies of civilians were discovered in mass graves.

The children do not correspond to a sample of the population: they are all almost of the same age and have light hair. They are not accompanied by their grieving families.

They are in fact children who were abducted by jihadists two weeks before in Alawite villages in the surroundings of Latakia, 200km away from Ghouta.

Barack Obama’s narrative is unraveling as the truth of who murdered these children is being exposed.
The Obama backed Syrian rebels are slaughtering these children, pretending it was Assad that did it, so Obama can claim justification in attacking the Assad regime….”

http://1389blog.com/2013/09/09/re-murdering-the-dead-syrian-children-kidnapped-by-rebels-were-misrepresented-as-nerve-gas-victims/

workingclass artist on September 10, 2013 at 10:43 AM

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

You want a Band-Aid for that wound?

NotCoach on September 10, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Kerry who? Syria…is that a type of wine cooler?

Did you guys watch “The Voice” last night, the one girl with the hat could really sing!

Bishop on September 10, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Miley was spanking twerking dwarfs in Europe.

workingclass artist on September 10, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Heh. I do remember Mr. Magoo, but you can’t see any reruns because it’s insensitive to blind people. Somehow. I’m not sure how, but I’ve been assured that it is. Just like Underdog glorifies druggies and Wile E. Coyote desensitizes us to violence.

LOL. It’s sad where we’ve been dragged to.

I must be one messed up dude.

It’s amazing that you’re still alive after having to live through the deadly environment of people smoking cigarettes all over the place. They assure us, these days, that no one could possibly survive someone smoking a cig 10 feet away. Who knows how we all lasted?

I’m wondering which cartoon character Obama reminds me most of. Elmer Fudd is getting there, but again, his intentions aren’t evil enough.

Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Yeah. I was trying to think of that sort of character but couldn’t come up with one. Other than intention, though, your Mr. Bean description was just about perfect. Mr. Bean had better English skills than Barky, the Hah-vahd Lawn Review Precedent and Chief Editor.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 10, 2013 at 10:48 AM

…Did you guys watch “The Voice” last night, the one girl with the hat could really sing!

Bishop on September 10, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Missed it, thanks for the update. Was it a cowboy hat? Is she Obama’s next Sec. of State?

Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:49 AM

I guess the obama admin ain’t the only ones trying to save face, lol.

abobo on September 10, 2013 at 10:49 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 10, 2013 at 10:48 AM

I was quoting taznar for Mr. Bean.

Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:51 AM

I’m wondering which cartoon character Obama reminds me most of. Elmer Fudd is getting there, but again, his intentions aren’t evil enough.

Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Boris and Natasha.

davidk on September 10, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Kerry’s ability is unbelievably small, his honesty is unbelievably small, his integrity is unbelievably small…

right2bright on September 10, 2013 at 10:54 AM

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

verbaluce, any idea when the Hillary/Kerry 2016 ticket is to be announced?

socalcon on September 10, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Mostly an aside…
but we’ve been through this denigration of Kerry many times here.
For me, it’s just further affirmation…

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

When you’ve bought into a non-falsifiable ideology, everything will be further affirmation to you. Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

de rigueur on September 10, 2013 at 10:56 AM

There’s those who wrap themselves in the flag, and then there’s those that follow it into battle and get shot at…by real bullets and stuff.

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Then there are those who claim to have thrown away their ill-gotten medals, only to be proven liars.

steebo77 on September 10, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Hey verbaluce!

Mostly an aside…
but we’ve been through this denigration of Kerry many times here.
For me, it’s just further affirmation on how selective the cons/the right has always been in showing any real admiration or respect for those who serve. ….

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

I’ve served with many others who served. You are full of it! Just because someone served, doesn’t mean they are worth the powder to blow them to H… I am tired of you libruls starting every put down with “thank you for your service, BUT …” Nobody wants your thanks. Nobody places any credence in your adoring acceptance of this self-serving politician. You talk about conservatives only backing war when it is their president. More botox BS. Conservatives are not backing this because our third world banana republic el presidents is worshipfully incompetent. And speaking of things like this, how come Kerry has suddenly become a war hero (“Reporting for Duty”) when he has been professionally anti-war (when a republican is in office) most of his life. He is an incompetent opportunist, just like his boss and his predecessor.

The American people can tolerate a crooked Executive Branch, but not a stupid one!

Old Country Boy on September 10, 2013 at 10:57 AM

You want a Band-Aid for that wound?

NotCoach on September 10, 2013 at 10:43 AM

How about three purple hearts?

steebo77 on September 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Glenn “Obama never set a red line” Kessler. What a joke he is!

kunegetikos on September 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM

WaPo: Four Pinocchios to Kerry for being against the war after he was for it

That hardly seems fair. After all, liars gotta lie…..

There Goes the Neighborhood on September 10, 2013 at 11:00 AM

The best analysis in the Washington Post today is that the man appointed by Barack Obama to run American foreign policy is both dishonest and incompetent.

Yes, but that was obvious back in the 1970′s, when he was testifying falsely about imaginary atrocities in the Vietnam war and lying about his nighttime forays into Cambodia, or before that when he was applying for and receiving unearned medals for phony injuries.

Kerry has always been a liar and a fraud. Sadly, in the Dim party, those are resume’ enhancers.

AZCoyote on September 10, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Boris and Natasha.

davidk on September 10, 2013 at 10:52 AM

I dunno. Natasha is too skinny for Michelle, and Boris isn’t trying to hide his intentions (except when he is, I guess). Same for Snidely Whiplash. The Canadian Mounty was incompetent enough. And Disney’s Goofy.

I don’t think anybody really fits. I can’t believe I’m sitting hear wracking my brain …Quick Draw McGraw. Ya, that’s it. heh.

I gotta get some real work done.

Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 11:00 AM

There’s those who wrap themselves in the flag, and then there’s those that follow it into battle and get shot at…by real bullets and stuff. Kerry is the latter…and he volunteered for it.

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Now that there is some high-quality stupid.

Kerry has been wrapping himself in the flag as a faux patriot ever since he returned from his four months in Vietnam.

Happy Nomad on September 10, 2013 at 11:01 AM

So is that a picture of Kerry’s sad face, angry face?

VibrioCocci on September 10, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Yes.

Also his excited face, happy face, and ecstatic face.

There Goes the Neighborhood on September 10, 2013 at 11:02 AM

We will always remember the incontestable evidence that you are a lying Obama hack, Glenn. This stunt to look “objective” is an epic fail.

kunegetikos on September 10, 2013 at 11:03 AM

How about three purple hearts?

steebo77 on September 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Only if I can receive them on Christmas Day in Cambodia.

NotCoach on September 10, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Kerry is expendable. Obama is not expendable, even though his lie was more blatant.

Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:17 AM

WaPo still practicing affirmative action. Can’t hold the black guy to the same standard of competence and honesty.

rockmom on September 10, 2013 at 11:09 AM

It’d be nice to see some intellectually honest analysis here of what’s actually happening along with Kerry’s attempts to manage it.
But the swift-boating hangover means comments about him being a ‘fool’…and stuff about his face.

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

You can’t simultaneously call for intellectually honest analysis while using “swift-boating” as a dismissive pejorative. Every one of those people also served, just as much as John Kerry did.

Which reveals you as a complete hypocrite for this statement:

For me, it’s just further affirmation on how selective the cons/the right has always been in showing any real admiration or respect for those who serve

You completely dismiss the claims of the many Swift Boat veterans who served in Vietnam while accepting Kerry’s claims because he served in Vietnam.

Now that is selective.

There Goes the Neighborhood on September 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM

There’s those who wrap themselves in the flag, and then there’s those that follow it into battle and get shot at…by real bullets and stuff.

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Wow, real bullets and stuff, like when Hillary came under sniper fire?

fourdeucer on September 10, 2013 at 11:11 AM

BTW all this about Kerry was clear in 2004, which is why I voted against him as much as for Bush in that election. He is naive, foolish, and possessed of a Vietnam-era sensibility about the U.S. role in the world that has never been updated to account for the end of the Cold War or the rise of radical Islam. It is very, very frightening to me that this man is now running U.S. foreign policy. It is turning out exactly the way I feared it would if he had been elected in 2004.

John Kerry is a dangerous fool, and none of this is going to end well for the U.S. or our former allies who have trusted us for decades.

rockmom on September 10, 2013 at 11:14 AM

The best analysis in the Washington Post today is that the man appointed by Barack Obama to run American foreign policy is both dishonest and incompetent.

Just like his predecessor and his boss.

dpduq on September 10, 2013 at 11:15 AM

It’d be nice to see some intellectually honest analysis here of what’s actually happening along with Kerry’s attempts to manage it.
But the swift-boating hangover means comments about him being a ‘fool’…and stuff about his face.

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

He IS a fool. He was a fool all through the 1980s when he cozied up to the Sandinistas and ran his ridiculous ‘investigation’ of the 1980 “October Surprise”, through the 1990s when he got pretty much everything wrong, and after 9/11 when he continued to claim that terrorism should be treated as an ordinary crime. He also supported Obama’s efforts to reinstall the Honduran strongman after he was legitimately thrown out of office, and he has been a longtime fan of Hugo Chavez.

This is not the first time Kerry has shown his left-wing silliness and simple wrong-headedness about the world and America’s place in it. Nothing he has done in this crisis suprises anyone who has actually paid attention to him over the past 30 years.

rockmom on September 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM

we’ve been through this denigration of Kerry many times here.

For me, it’s just further affirmation on how selective the cons/the right has always been in showing any real admiration or respect for those who serve. There’s those who wrap themselves in the flag, and then there’s those that follow it into battle and get shot at…by real bullets and stuff. Kerry is the latter…and he volunteered for it.

Now you’ll have to excuse me. Time to make some more of my world famous Gin-Soaked Raisins!

verbaloon Terza Heinz Kerry on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Edited to reflect your sad and utterly clueless reality.

F-

Del Dolemonte on September 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

What in the name of George Patton has all that nonsense about Kerry’s military record (about which he also lied–remember the magic hat?) got to do with his lying about his Senate record?

Athanasius on September 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

What in the name of George Patton has all that nonsense about Kerry’s military record (about which he also lied–remember the magic hat?) got to do with his lying about his Senate record?

Athanasius on September 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM

His “Senate record” overall is as big of a joke as varbaloon is. If you examine what he “accomplished” over 2+ decades in the Senate, you’ll find a few positive things he did for military vets, but precious little else-mostly getting Post Offices in Massachusetts renamed for wealthy donors of his.

Del Dolemonte on September 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM

verbaloon on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

You can’t simultaneously call for intellectually honest analysis while using “swift-boating” as a dismissive pejorative. Every one of those people also served, just as much as John Kerry did.

Which reveals you as a complete hypocrite for this statement:

For me, it’s just further affirmation on how selective the cons/the right has always been in showing any real admiration or respect for those who serve

You completely dismiss the claims of the many Swift Boat veterans who served in Vietnam while accepting Kerry’s claims because he served in Vietnam.

Now that is selective.

There Goes the Neighborhood on September 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM

I’ve known one of the leading Swift Boat Veterans for Truth leaders for decades. His integrity is impeccable, unlike Horse-Face Lurch’s.

What most of Thurston’s groupies like verbaloon fail to realize is that many of the Swifties (the ones who lived in Massachusetts, like my friend) actually had previously endorsed Long-Face in MA in his Senate races, because they (correctly) assumed that he could not do any real harm in the Senate.

But even they knew that he was totally unqualified to be Commander in Chief. Which is why they later opposed him.

It’s also important to remember that none of the Swifties’ stories about Lurch have been credibly refuted. NONE.

Del Dolemonte on September 10, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Then there are those who claim to have thrown away their ill-gotten medals, only to be proven liars.

steebo77 on September 10, 2013 at 10:57 AM

“…But Kerry has long maintained he threw his own ribbons but someone else’s medals. In an interview, he said that he had previously met two veterans … who had asked Kerry to return their medals to the military. Kerry said he stuffed them into his jacket. He said that when he prepared to throw his ribbons over the fence, he reached into his jacket and pulled out the medals from those two veterans. He said his own medals remained in safekeeping.”

Four Lampwicks for Kerry, too.

Fallon on September 10, 2013 at 11:38 AM

These idiots are going to bungle our way into WWIII if they don’t get their $h1t together!

Dexter_Alarius on September 10, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Kerry is just flat-out lying again about his record:

Consistent ass, isn’t he?

GarandFan on September 10, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Old/busted:
 

I am certain Hassan would fully welcome the designation some want assigned to him – he’d wear it as a badge of honor. I’m happy to see him denied as much of that as possible. I’d welcome any legal maneuver that would deny him the soapbox he’s been waiting for.
 
verbaluce on August 23, 2013 at 4:31 PM

 
Just to we’re all clear, and as you’ve noted, you’re more interested in limiting a single public statement by one of millions of Jihadists and Jihadist sympathizers, and a single statement from the same Jihadist that has already made quite the public statement by successfully murdering 13 American troops and wounding 30 others on U.S. soil, rather than honoring the soldiers and their families with appropriate medals and personnel benefits through use of your preferred “workplace violence” terminology?
 
Am I understanding your consistency correctly?
 
rogerb on August 23, 2013 at 5:19 PM

 
New two-weeks later hotness:
 

For me, it’s just further affirmation on how selective the cons/the right has always been in showing any real admiration or respect for those who serve.
 
verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

rogerb on September 10, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Kerry is just flat-out lying again about his record:

Consistent ass, isn’t he?

GarandFan on September 10, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Let’s not forget that he also claimed that he was sent to Cambodia on a secret mission by a Commander in Chief (Nixon) who hadn’t even become President yet.

What’s so hilarious is how the Low-IQ Democrats now happily support a “Vice President” who dodged the draft 5 times-as many times as the evil Dick “Halliburton” Chaney did!

Del Dolemonte on September 10, 2013 at 12:08 PM

And it’s only your problem – and Glenn Kessler’s – if you’re incapable of understanding how someone can be highly critical of various diplomatic efforts preceding a war vote…and yet when those lame half-hearted efforts fail, then reason to vote in support of military action.

verbaluce on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Understanding that is not the problem. The problem is that Kerry voted in support of the military action, yet now comes back and says, “when I was a senator, we opposed the president’s decision to go into Iraq.”

If Kerry were now taking an anti-war stand, he could say in good conscience, “When I was a senator, I supported the president’s decision to go into Iraq, based on the evidence that was used to persuade all of us that authority ought to be given. But I soon came to regret that decision, and I wish I hadn’t voted in favor of that war.” And that would basically be true in terms of describing Kerry’s actions and feelings.

But Kerry can’t say that now, because members of Congress would think, “You regretted authorizing the war in Iraq. So if we vote in favor of war in Syria, we might later realize that it was a mistake to do so. So let’s vote against authorizing military force against Syria.”

So, instead, Kerry decides to say he opposed the war in Iraq at the time. I don’t know how that helps support his case for war in Syria, but, in any event, it’s just a lie.

J.S.K. on September 10, 2013 at 12:16 PM

I’ve never seen a group of people who can lie so frequently and unabashedly as they do in DC. When I was growing up, you could break a window or kick your brother or take something that didn’t belong to you and get in trouble, but if you lied on top of it there was hell to pay. It was the cardinal sin. These people could care less, they don’t even shrug.

scalleywag on September 10, 2013 at 12:23 PM

I’m wondering which cartoon character Obama reminds me most of. Elmer Fudd is getting there, but again, his intentions aren’t evil enough.
Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:43 AM

My money is on Pepe Le Pew. He is singularly focused on receiving the adoration of the masses at all costs, but any sentient person with adequate senses and a nose not buried in sand can tell you that his political acumen stinks.

LarryinLA on September 10, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Kerry is a scumbag of the lowest order. He is not fit to be in D. C.
davidk on September 10, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Unfortunately for the Republic, politics seemingly has devolved to the point that the lower you are on the “Scumbag Scale”, the higher your position within those vaunted Halls of Power where our “intellectual elite” decide what is best for us.
So, you see, John Kerry (who BTW, served in Vietnam), has found his perfect niche.
Heaven Help Us!

Another Drew on September 10, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Well, anyone that would hide his yacht in another state to avoid taxes is got to be good for the country right?

F_This on September 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Happy Nomad on September 10, 2013 at 11:01 AM

You’re mistaking quantity for quality.

Another Drew on September 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Only if I can receive them on Christmas Day in Cambodia.

NotCoach on September 10, 2013 at 11:04 AM

From President Nixon, in 1968!

Another Drew on September 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Kessler’s like a ref who blew a call, so he whistles a make-up call.
Not that Kerry didn’t deserve the four Pee-knuckle-o’s, of course. It’s just that O deserved them (and still deserves them) more.

The press used to deride Reagan as the “Teflon President.” They are still trying desperately to keep O’s Teflon intact, but he keeps scratching and gouging it himself, harder and harder.

Marcola on September 10, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Pepe Le Pew

Well, the coloration is correct, though the stripes should be Yellow.

Another Drew on September 10, 2013 at 1:10 PM

I’m wondering which cartoon character Obama reminds me most of. Elmer Fudd is getting there, but again, his intentions aren’t evil enough.
Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:43 AM

My money is on Pepe Le Pew. He is singularly focused on receiving the adoration of the masses at all costs, but any sentient person with adequate senses and a nose not buried in sand can tell you that his political acumen stinks.

LarryinLA on September 10, 2013 at 12:43 PM

The REB is the chickenhawk, and Putin is the rooster.

slickwillie2001 on September 10, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Too often Obama’s presidency runs like a Mr. Bean episode.

If something good happens, its the result of shear incompetence that others may see as “brilliance”.

taznar on September 10, 2013 at 10:21 AM
You can tell somebody’s age by whether they reference Mr. Bean or Inspector Clouseau or Barney Fife.

Fenris on September 10, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Seems more like Buster Keaton to me whippersnapper.

Mason on September 10, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Everyday this team finds another way to screw this up. Does Obama meet with his people and at least try to come up with a uniform coherent strategy so that all his people don’t look like fools.

jaywemm on September 10, 2013 at 1:25 PM

For me, it’s just further affirmation on how selective the cons/the right has always been in showing any real admiration or respect for those who serve.

verbaloon on September 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

What’s so hilarious (and yet so sad at the same time) is that you Low-IQ Democrats are totally incapable of feeling shame, and totally incapable of using logic.

If you idiots had either of those qualities, you would immediately realize that Lurch’s “military record” was nothing to be proud about, and would also recognize that his assorted actions after his “military service” were absolutely shameful.

Let’s examine his “military career” first. He, like his fellow shallow fellow Democrat Algore, went to Vietnam solely to enhance their future political resumes. Lurch in fact took an 8mm movie camera with him, and used it to re-stage “fight scenes” for later public consumption.

“Kerry would revisit ambush locations for reenacting combat scenes where he would portray the hero, catching it all on film. Kerry would take movies of himself walking around in combat gear, sometimes dressed as an infantryman walking resolutely through the terrain. He even filmed mock interviews of himself narrating his exploits. A joke circulated among Swifties was that Kerry left Vietnam early not because he received three Purple Hearts, but because he had recorded enough film of himself to take home for his planned political campaigns.”

Decades later, Lurch gave those 8mm films to a protege of Steven Spielberg, James Smoll, who used them to make the Campaign Commercial film shown on Night 1 of the 2004 Democrat Convention in Lurchtown.

NY Times, 2004:

Mr. Kerry has recruited a Hollywood director – James Smoll, a documentary maker recommended to Mr. Kerry by Steven Spielberg – to produce the film introducing him. He has enlisted a cast of characters from his life, from fellow-Navy officers who rode Swift boats with him in Vietnam to his wife, to offer testimonials on stage designed, as one of Mr. Kerry’s advisers said, to “deepen their knowledge of John Kerry.”

After he used three minor injuries to get an early discharge from the military, he came home to trash his fellow comrades in under-oath testimony to Congress. At the same time, while still an active-duty officer, he went to Paris and violated military rules by engaging in discussions with North Vietnamese diplomats. While his fellow military comrades were still fighting.

Fast-forward to 2002. He authorized President Bush to use force in Iraq. Just 2 years later, he ran as an anti-war candidate for a war he voted to authorize.

He also ran as a “war hero” from a war that his Democrats successfully lost, and a war that he and his fellow Democrats had trashed for decades.

Also in 2004, he conspired with the Democrat Media, more particularly al-Associated Press, to successfully sue the Bush White House to force them to release Chimpy Bush’s entire military history. Yet at the same time, he also successfully conspired with an al-AP “reporter”, along with a “reporter” from the NY Times-owned Boston Globe and one from the Far-Right LA-LA Times, to keep his own complete military history top secret. To this day, we have still never seen his entire military record.

What’s he hiding?

Del Dolemonte on September 10, 2013 at 1:59 PM

John Kerry lost his credibility years ago in Paris when he met with the North Vietnamese. He’s a lier and a phony, remember the medals he threw over the White House fence and they weren’t his. The Army interviewed the doctor who treated him for the wound he claimed that gave him a Purple Heart and the doctor said he used a band aid. Why he still works in the government is a mystery.

mixplix on September 10, 2013 at 2:02 PM

The Democrats tried to foist this incompetent scumbag on us for President before they foisted the present incompetent scumbag on us. If they had consciences they would have a lot on them.

claudius on September 10, 2013 at 3:08 PM

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