GOP crafting continuing resolution sans an ObamaCare-defunding imperative; tension ensues

posted at 6:01 pm on September 10, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

If the Syrian civil war wasn’t happening and ergo wasn’t taking up such a huge portion of political bandwidth, what we’d all be talking about right now would be the looming budget battle that’s coming as the government’s fiscal year starts anew after September 30th and we run up against the debt ceiling — which the Treasury is currently employing “extraordinary measures” to avoid — some time in the middle of October. No deal means a government shutdown, and Democrats and the media have already taken it upon themselves to heap piles and piles of scorn on the very idea — coming from the oh-so-craven right-wing extremists they claim are running the party — that Republicans use the budget fight as a means to defund ObamaCare.

The Republican leadership has been trying to figure out how they’re going to approach this particular bit of tricky political finagling; Jonathan Strong at NRO broke it down yesterday:

Majority Leader Eric Cantor is trying to thread the needle with a proposal for the continuing-resolution bill that would force the House and the Senate to vote on defunding Obamacare but not make that a requirement for funding the government going forward. …

Under the Cantor plan, the House would vote on two measures, the CR and a resolution that amends the CR to defund Obamacare. Both measures would be brought under a rule that allows the Senate to send just the clean CR to the president, but only after they first vote on whether to defund Obamacare. If the Senate voted against defunding Obamacare, they could then pass the clean CR.

While this would force a politically difficult vote for Democratic senators, it isn’t the do-or-die fight that many on the right envisioned.

It sounds like the definitively concrete plan is still in the making, but the gist seems to be that they’re trying to cut out the absolute defund-or-shutdown tactic that a handful Republicans have been staunchly advocating and instead allow the House to pass a CR whilst at least forcing an on-the-record ObamaCare-funding vote out of their colleagues in the Senate before they can send a clean CR up to the White House.

“I reject the false choice that if you are against shutting down the government you are for Obamacare,” House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., said during the meeting to the hearty applause of at least half of the members attending, according to a source in the room. “We need to give the Senate the opportunity to join us in the fight against Obamacare. This strategy forces the Senate to take a vote and give our Republican colleagues there the chance to fight.”

Said staunch advocates of the do-or-die route were not pleased about this — and I think you know who I mean.

Today, U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) released the following statement on the fight to defund Obamacare:

“Last night, news reports surfaced that the House of Representatives might vote to ‘defund Obamacare’ in a way that easily allows Senate Democrats to keep funding Obamacare. If House Republicans go along with this strategy, they will be complicit in the disaster that is Obamacare.

“The American people are not surprised that politicians in Washington–of both parties–are afraid to take a stand. But another symbolic vote against Obamacare is meaningless. Obamacare is the biggest job killer in America, and people are hurting.

“House Republicans should pass a continuing resolution that funds government in its entirety–except Obamacare–and that explicitly prohibits spending any federal money, mandatory or discretionary, on Obamacare. They should not use any procedural chicanery to enable Harry Reid to circumvent that vote.


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The GOP is dead to me. They are officially a wing of the Democrat Party.

Rixon on September 10, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Eric Cantor couldn’t lead a third grade class out of a school during a fire drill.

joekenha on September 10, 2013 at 6:02 PM

DEFUND DC!!!!…..freaking all of it!!!

DEFUND DC
DEFUND DC
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DEFUND DC
DEFUND DC
DEFUND DC
DEFUND DC
DEFUND DC
DEFUND DC
DEFUND DC
DEFUND DC

ALL of it!!!

PappyD61 on September 10, 2013 at 6:06 PM

The GOP is dead to me. They are officially a wing of the Democrat Party.

Rixon on September 10, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Primary challenger to Cantor? Anyone know of one?

beatcanvas on September 10, 2013 at 6:06 PM

IF they fund it – they own it.

There is absolutely no justification for funding obamacare.

Pork-Chop on September 10, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Eric Cantor and the entire gop leadership are just Progressive evil slime, WORSE than the Democrats!!

Death to the republican Party.

PappyD61 on September 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Well, nice to see the GOP is getting back to what it does best…

Nothing.

coldwarrior on September 10, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Defund DC run Education, Energy, EPA, OSHA, Medicare, everything except National defense related items (treaties).

Let the states control and fund it all.

PappyD61 on September 10, 2013 at 6:11 PM

The GOP leadership is moronic. They should REQUIRE that it NOT be a separate vote, but that the only way the CR passes is by defunding Obamacare.

Stoic Patriot on September 10, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Remember when the Dems screamed about how hard the sequester was going to hit the country? That’s about how much we’ll feel the sudden impact of DC shutting down. All I want is this stupid government out of my life.

txhsmom on September 10, 2013 at 6:18 PM

We’re watching you GOP. If you’re not going to fight then we might as well Cloward-Piven this government into flames and start over with a clean slate. Hey, maybe we can take California back from Mexico even.

DanMan on September 10, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Ya know,if the Democrats had any brains,they would go to the UN on this for
a resolution!!
(sarc)

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 6:19 PM

GOP shiteheads.

BuckeyeSam on September 10, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Contact your rep:

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

CW on September 10, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Do something!!

CW on September 10, 2013 at 6:22 PM

You Can’t say Cantor without saying Can’t.

birdwatcher on September 10, 2013 at 6:28 PM

If you refuse to defund, Cantor, you ARE for Obamacare.

Giving your colleagues in the senate ” a chance to fight” will result in nothing more than allowing the senate democrats to pass the funding bill and round file the defunding bill.

All Cantor and company are interested in is giving a few GOP senators a chance to ‘take a stand’ in a lost cause and to be able to beat the Democrats over the head with that vote ahead of the midterms.

They were so thrilled that we voted overwhelmingly for them in the last midterms based on our rejection of Obamacare that they shamelessly want to use Obamacare as the whip to get us to do it again.

NO. Either defund or repeal Obamacare whole… or you’ve lost my vote… PERMANENTLY.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Any real conservative Representative or Senator would ceremoniously walk out without voting to protest the GOP’s misplacing their gonads.

redware on September 10, 2013 at 6:29 PM

I said it before, I’ll say it again – El Partido Republicano Legado is just fine with the concept of PlaceboCare – after all, they not only ran the godfather of it for the office of President, but most of them voted for Medicare Part D.

Steve Eggleston on September 10, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Zimmerman for speaker!!!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 10, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Boehner and Cantor seem hell-bent on destroying the Republican Party!!! When will the rest of the House GOP get rid of these despicable, cowardly Pieces of Sh#t???

MPan on September 10, 2013 at 6:32 PM

I’m shocked.

SouthernGent on September 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM

forget Syria, this will be the real victory for Obama. This is the last chance to do anything about it. Obama bought 12M of ad for that s-h-i-t sandwich. So this is a grande cave…

Side note…given all the ads, and rallying up Cruz did for the past month. If the house doesn’t defund Obamacare after all of that, this is Cruz’s syria..but with an “actual” no vote.

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 10, 2013 at 6:36 PM

If the Syrian civil war wasn’t happening and ergo wasn’t taking up such a huge portion of political bandwidth, what we’d all be talking about right now would be the looming budget battle that’s coming as the government’s fiscal year starts anew after September 30th and we run up against the debt ceiling.

Wow! Isn’t the regime lucky that the Syria situation cropped up when it did?

Galt2009 on September 10, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 10, 2013 at 6:32 PM

I don’t think the Nationals can do without either of them. They make too much money playing ball.

CW on September 10, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Obamacare… which was over 2000 pages when it was passed… is now over 10,500 pages long. It is, in fact, over eight times longer than the Bible.

This is because the Democrats keep adding more regulation, more red tape.

How is a care provider, or an insurance provider, supposed to abide by a law that is already 10,500 pages long and expanding every day?

How are care providers supposed to provide care for sick and injured people when they are spending all of their time trying to understand and keep up with the regulations being added to the law every day? When every decision they make regarding the best care for their patient has to be checked against a law that is already ridiculously enormous and burdensome and changing every day?

This law is an obscenity. It forces providers of care and insurance providers into a position of being unable to abide by the law.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2013 at 6:39 PM

The GOP is dead to me. They are officially a wing of the Democrat Party.

Rixon on September 10, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Yeah. The black ops branch. Making them a bigger danger to American people than…

No deal means a government shutdown, and Democrats and the media have already taken it upon themselves to heap piles and piles of scorn on the very idea
Erika Johnson

This from the party of Kevin Jennings. Kermitt Gosnell. The child killing, pedophile party. And we let them, no, no, their black ops branch lets them act as if they own the moral high ground.

Enough!!!!!!!!!!!

onomo on September 10, 2013 at 6:40 PM

They suck. As holder says cowards. Bring back the pillory.

tim c on September 10, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Zimmerman for speaker!!!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 10, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Can.I.be.in.the.middle:Hes gonna be detained;)
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George Zimmerman taken into custody, Sept. 9, 2013

Photo: From police dash-cam, George Zimmerman surrendering after Monday domestic incident – via @JeffWeinerOS

38 mins ago from twitter.com/JeffWeinerOS by editor
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canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 6:42 PM

this is Cruz’s syria..

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 10, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Yes he has the same power as the President./

Why do you always have to be so stupid?

CW on September 10, 2013 at 6:42 PM

*NN Breaking News ‏@cnnbrk 6m

Sen. Harry Reid cancels Wednesday’s Senate briefing on Syria; too many moving targets at the moment, he says. http://on.*nn.com/15gS2Gy

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Zimmerman(D) for speaker!!!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 10, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Fixed.

Usually the GOP does not support a Democrat for their speaker.

CW on September 10, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Lets all call his Culpepper office and tell him how we feel!

http://cantor.house.gov/contact

540-825-8960.

I’m sure he wants to hear our concerns.

PappyD61 on September 10, 2013 at 6:45 PM

OMG Zimmerman had a gun!!!
/

Big surprise.

CW on September 10, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Majority Leader Eric Cantor is trying to thread the needle with a proposal for the continuing-resolution bill that would force the House and the Senate to vote on defunding Obamacare but not make that a requirement for funding the government going forward

That’s not “threading the needle.” It is trying to make capitulation look like impotence.

besser tot als rot on September 10, 2013 at 6:47 PM

So, in other words, the House will pass a CR to keep the money overflowing, and they will also vote to repeal Obamacare for the 32nd time? What a novel approach.

Please dear Lord, can we get rid of Boner, Can’t-or, Try-un, and the rest of the center left republitards?

NOMOBO on September 10, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Alleged chemical attack in Syria, Aug. 21, 2013
Syrian civil war

Syrian rebels: Russian-Syrian proposal to hand over chemical weapons a ploy and Assad getting away with murder – @NBCNews’ @richardengel

1 min ago by editor

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 6:47 PM

How are care providers supposed to provide care for sick and injured people when they are spending all of their time trying to understand and keep up with the regulations being added to the law every day? When every decision they make regarding the best care for their patient has to be checked against a law that is already ridiculously enormous and burdensome and changing every day?

This law is an obscenity. It forces providers of care and insurance providers into a position of being unable to abide by the law.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2013 at 6:39 PM

If I were a doctor, I’d just say the hell with it, or whatever the doctor’s equivalent of letting it burn is. If one of my patients needed treatment immediately, I wouldn’t waste my time looking through 10,500 pages of crap to find out whether my treatment plan is in accordance with it.

PatriotGal2257 on September 10, 2013 at 6:48 PM

************AwesomeLicious Not ***********************!!

Video: Hillary Clinton receives National Constitution Center Liberty Medal

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canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Putin could show us how to get this done

MTF on September 10, 2013 at 6:49 PM

I will be curious to see how many and which Republicans vote to fund Obamcare (Boehnercare?). If the revocation of funding is a separate bill, they will, literally, be voting to fund Obamacare before they vote to defund it. It will be John Kerry-esque absurdity brought to life.

besser tot als rot on September 10, 2013 at 6:52 PM

STOP THIS OBSCENITY!
IT IS THE DEVILS WORK!

SUPPORT EVERYONE WHO IS TRYING DESPERATELY TO DO THE RIGHT THING!

Scrumpy on September 10, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Dropped my 3qtr check in the mail this morning. I may go back to that blue box and pull it off it’s moorings, blow torch that thing open and rip up the check. I’m so getting tired of being screwed by these crooks.

Kissmygrits on September 10, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Obamacare… which was over 2000 pages when it was passed… is now over 10,500 pages long. It is, in fact, over eight times longer than the Bible.

–It took God 10 very short sentences to tell mankind how to morally live forevermore.

–Our Founders, not being quite as bright as the Lord took 18 pages to explain everything about how this country should be organized and run.

–Does it tell you anything about the intelligence, or lack thereof, of our current legislative ignoramuses that it takes them 10,500 pages to tell you how to go to the doctor?

NOMOBO on September 10, 2013 at 6:54 PM

I have come to realize hoping for change in the republican leadership to espouse even the slightest of conservative positions is just that, HOPE.
They will never come around to even the mildest conservative position,
never ever ever….
I will switch to independent and not send a nickle to the GOP ever again.
This way at least I stop hoping and just move on.
RIP GOP.
Done.

ouldbollix on September 10, 2013 at 6:56 PM

–Does it tell you anything about the intelligence, or lack thereof, of our current legislative ignoramuses that it takes them 10,500 pages to tell you how to go to the doctor?

NOMOBO on September 10, 2013 at 6:54 PM

They write so much crap into it BECAUSE they want to make ‘criminals’ of us all!

I wish this would IGNITE a damn huge BONFIRE under the butts of the American people! Ye Gads!
I am about to come undone and blow a fracking gasket!

I am so darn gobsmacked, I don’t know what to say or do any more… :(

Scrumpy on September 10, 2013 at 6:58 PM

RIP GOP.
Done.

ouldbollix on September 10, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Seconded… I concur…

I AM DONE WITH YOU GOP!! *SPIT*

Scrumpy on September 10, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Scrumpy on September 10, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Scrumpy, if you are going to have a stroke do it now while the medical system is still somewhat intact. If you wait for a year there will be no hope for you.

NOMOBO on September 10, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Usually the GOP does not support a Democrat for their speaker.

CW on September 10, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Which explains why Bo(eh)ner acts like one when push comes to shove.

Steve Eggleston on September 10, 2013 at 7:03 PM

That’s not “threading the needle.” It is trying to make capitulation look like impotence.

besser tot als rot on September 10, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Or impotence look like capitulation.

Either way, we’ve been Bo(eh)ned again.

Steve Eggleston on September 10, 2013 at 7:05 PM

House Republicans should pass a continuing resolution that funds government in its entirety–except Obamacare–and that explicitly prohibits spending any federal money, mandatory or discretionary, on Obamacare. They should not use any procedural chicanery to enable Harry Reid to circumvent that vote.

So let’s say the House Republicans pass a CR that funds the government and excludes any spending for Obamacare.

Is there any procedural rule that prohibits Harry Reid from taking that bill, amending it to add the Obamacare spending back in, and passing the amended version with Obamacare in the Senate?

Then the two versions of the bill would go to a conference committee between the House and the Senate. How likely is it that the House Republicans would emerge the winners from that conference?

Maybe there’s some procedure I don’t know about, but I don’t see how the Republicans win big this time.

J.S.K. on September 10, 2013 at 7:10 PM

oboehnercantorcare

davidk on September 10, 2013 at 7:12 PM

How are care providers supposed to provide care for sick and injured people when they are spending all of their time trying to understand and keep up with the regulations being added to the law every day? When every decision they make regarding the best care for their patient has to be checked against a law that is already ridiculously enormous and burdensome and changing every day?

This law is an obscenity. It forces providers of care and insurance providers into a position of being unable to abide by the law.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2013 at 6:39 PM

If I were a doctor, I’d just say the hell with it, or whatever the doctor’s equivalent of letting it burn is. If one of my patients needed treatment immediately, I wouldn’t waste my time looking through 10,500 pages of crap to find out whether my treatment plan is in accordance with it.

PatriotGal2257 on September 10, 2013 at 6:48 PM

I asked my doctor what he was going to do. He said, “Work longer hours for less money.”

davidk on September 10, 2013 at 7:15 PM

LE THREAT!!

Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 53s

WH issues veto threat for House bill to block ObamaCare subsidies and tax breaks until program in place to verify applicant eligibility.
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https://twitter.com/markknoller

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 7:16 PM

I asked my doctor what he was going to do. He said, “Work longer hours for less money.”

davidk on September 10, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Heh … yeah, I’ll bet. I know of one GP in my area who used to be my mother-in-law’s doctor who said he will refuse to abide by it. I may switch to him when the time comes.

One of my coworkers also talked about her doc, who is one of the only examples I’ve heard of in our area of going off the grid and not accepting any insurances — just a flat fee for an annual exam.

PatriotGal2257 on September 10, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Being the Republican leader in the house was so much easier for Bob Michaels. All he had to do was show up for lunch and have a few martini’s. He could vote against the Dems but since they only had about 140 Republicans, no one cared.

Too bad for Cantor that he has a majority.

dirtseller on September 10, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Lets all call his Culpepper office and tell him how we feel!

http://cantor.house.gov/contact

540-825-8960.

I’m sure he wants to hear our concerns.

PappyD61 on September 10, 2013 at 6:45 PM

“Sorry, you cannot leave a message, because this mailbox is full…”

HAH!!

Good job, PappyD61. :-D

(I gave it my best shot. That was literally the message I got when I called.)

theotherone on September 10, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Boehner and Cantor seem hell-bent on destroying the Republican Party!!! When will the rest of the House GOP get rid of these despicable, cowardly Pieces of Sh#t???

MPan on September 10, 2013 at 6:32 PM

…thank you!

KOOLAID2 on September 10, 2013 at 7:41 PM

As much as I despise pelosi she has ten times the balls the republican leadership has.
She knew what she wanted and polls be dammed she went for it and got obamacare.
What we have in leadership is noting but cowards cowards and more cowards, there is just no other word for them.
Every time an opportunity comes up to actually do something about obamacare they run and hide like frightened mice.
Oh no the big bad media might paint us as extremists oh no oh no oh no.
It’s always the same stupid cowardice response, we will defund in the next cr or the next debt ceiling only to keep rubber stamping the American march into socialism.
God they make me sick……

ouldbollix on September 10, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Boehner and Cantor seem hell-bent on destroying the Republican Party!!! When will the rest of the House GOP get rid of these despicable, cowardly Pieces of Sh#t???

MPan on September 10, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Paul Ryan is doing more than his share to help.

bw222 on September 10, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Will Obamacare be repealed or won’t it? Will Congress fund
it or won’t it? Blah, blah, blah. We the people just need to do what we need to do and Congress be damned. Resist. Refuse. Revolt. EXEMPT OURSELVES! We did not comply with Prohibition and we simply should not comply with Obamacare. For religious reasons. For privacy reasons. For the cause of liberty and freedom and in protest of the idea that the federal government (under one party rule, no less), can force private citizens to purchase anything with our own money. Are we citizens or subjects? Mice or men(women)? Just say NO to socialism and to the corrupt, unionized, far left IRS, the gestapo of America’s political class. After all, the federal government ignores millions of illegals who are breaking U.S. immigration law every day and nothing happens to them. Selective enforcement of our laws is just as UN-Constitutional as the Obamacare law itself! (Supreme Court be damned as well). Our Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. All we have to do is just say no to a scheme we all know is un-American and a violation of our most basic founding
fundamentals of privacy, self reliance, limited government and individual freedom.

devan95 on September 10, 2013 at 8:20 PM

While the “monkey with a hand grenade” blathers on this evening (outblathering the inimitable John Kerry), keep your eye on the defunding of Obysmalcare.

Can we share this information from the Heritage Foundation somewhere? We have about three weeks to defund Obamacare.

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/09/10/morning-bell-obamacare-may-be-hazardous-to-your-health/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2013general&utm_content=091013_billboard

onlineanalyst on September 10, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Obama Care aside, I don’t want a CR.

I want the House to re write a budget that cuts spending. Paul Ryan’s budget actually defunded Obama care. I want THAT bill.

Send that bill to Harry Reid and don’t do a CR.

Or write an even more stingy bill and cut spending and stop hiring new employees in Washington and stop spending and stop wasting taxpayer dollars on Grants to everything that is not essential services. The government is out of money.

Write a budget,and pass it. Send it to the Senate. Regular Order.

No more CR’s!!!!!!!

If you think you can re write funding to cut Obamacare, what about the rest of the excessive spending while we are at it?

Fleuries on September 10, 2013 at 8:28 PM

I forgot to make one expository point, I was so angry, sorry.

The new fiscal year starts Oct. 1 and they don’t have a budget.

Fleuries on September 10, 2013 at 8:30 PM

onlineanalyst on September 10, 2013 at 8:25 PM

I don’t think we have any time. According to this Breitbart article, the CR was supposed to be released today with a vote Thursday in the House.

Text of the Continuing Resolution (CR) that will fund the government for 60-75 days will be released on Tuesday, the conservative source said, before a House vote on Thursday. The move comes abruptly as conservatives are ramping up their final push on House leadership with a big Tea Party rally outside the Capitol on Tuesday calling for Obamacare’s defunding.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/09/Conservatives-Boehner-Cantor-cave-on-Obamacare-defunding-fight-seek-to-use-procedural-trick-to-pay-for-law

bluefox on September 10, 2013 at 10:00 PM

“I reject the false choice that if you are against shutting down the government you are for Obamacare,” House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va.,

It IS a false choice, Miss Cantor. The House not providing funding for obamacare WILL NOT shut down the Federal gov’t. That is, UNLESS the Senate dems don’t agree to the defunding or the obamanation Veto’s the funding bill. Then, it will be the dems who shut down the Federal gov’t because they are for controlling 1/6th of the American economy…

You and the useless Spelunker of the House can continue funding obamacare thru the use of Continuing Resolutions — as you have since January 2011 — and retain your status quo collaboration with the socialist dems. It’ll catch up to you. Hopefully, sooner rather than later…

Gohawgs on September 10, 2013 at 10:18 PM

How are care providers supposed to provide care for sick and injured people when they are spending all of their time trying to understand and keep up with the regulations being added to the law every day? When every decision they make regarding the best care for their patient has to be checked against a law that is already ridiculously enormous and burdensome and changing every day?

This is true of most of the regulatory apparatus of the country.
No one can get any productive work accomplished for fear of running afoul of some petty regulation (Gibson Guitars, for just one example).

And even the “important” regulations are applied so unevenly and unfairly as to be the equivalent of rule by fiat, not by law.

This law is an obscenity. It forces providers of care and insurance providers into a position of being unable to abide by the law.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Three felonies a day, for all of us.

AesopFan on September 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM

What is to keep the House from passing a CR that doesn’t include ObamaCare? Is ACA otherwise auto-funded somehow? Why the rhetoric about Defund-or-shutdown? It seems that just giving the Senate and the President an already House-drafted and passed CR that happens to not include funding provisions for ObamaCare cut out the rhetoric/debate and frame it as less brinkmanship-like.

I’m apparently missing something. Can anyone edumacate me?

Cipherprime on September 11, 2013 at 8:08 AM

If the Syrian civil war wasn’t happening and ergo wasn’t taking up such a huge portion of political bandwidth, what we’d all be talking about right now would be the looming budget battle that’s coming as the government’s fiscal year starts anew after September 30th and we run up against the debt ceiling

Yes, that’s all we should be talking about. Certainly, there are no scandals in the Executive branch that should be attracting our attention.

Someone dress Assad up in a giant squirrel costume.

Chris of Rights on September 11, 2013 at 8:47 AM

What is to keep the House from passing a CR that doesn’t include ObamaCare? Is ACA otherwise auto-funded somehow? Why the rhetoric about Defund-or-shutdown? It seems that just giving the Senate and the President an already House-drafted and passed CR that happens to not include funding provisions for ObamaCare cut out the rhetoric/debate and frame it as less brinkmanship-like.

I’m apparently missing something. Can anyone edumacate me?

Cipherprime on September 11, 2013 at 8:08 AM

It’s not that simple, sadly.

The House could pass a CR that completely defunds Obamacare, including all the pieces that are supposed to be impossible to defund (there’s no such thing as “impossible to defund”, despite what the newspapers tell you). Then the CR would go to the Senate, who would amend it, put the funding back in, and pass it.

Then it would go back to the House, who would either have to pass the Senate CR or request a conference committee.

If the House doesn’t request a conference committee and then fails to pass the amended CR, then the government gets shut down, and the media will be quick to point out that it’s all the fault of the House GOP.

If the House does request a conference committee, the Senate members will demand that funding stay in. If the House members don’t accept that, then the government gets shut down, and the media will be quick to point out that it’s all the fault of the House GOP.

The last scenario is that the House requests a conference committee, and accepts the Senate’s demands. In that case, we end up with a funded Obamacare.

So, the choices are, Obamacare gets funded, or the government gets shut down and the House GOP gets blamed.

Look, I don’t like it any better than you do, but this is a no-win scenario for Boehner et al.

Chris of Rights on September 11, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Chris of Rights on September 11, 2013 at 8:55 AM

So shut it down.

Steve Eggleston on September 11, 2013 at 9:45 AM

So, the choices are, Obamacare gets funded, or the government gets shut down and the House GOP gets blamed.

Look, I don’t like it any better than you do, but this is a no-win scenario for Boehner et al.

Chris of Rights on September 11, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Well, that’s grim. Thank you for your explanation/clarification. Looking at history, I guess it *is* the way that it would play out.

One question, though. Why doesn’t (can’t?) the House pass a CR without ObamaCare funding and immediately do a full-court press in the media declaring victory for having passed it, and telling the American people that it is now up to the Democrats to pass it *or* for the Democrats to shut down the government? That is: “We aren’t shutting down the government. We passed a CR. The Senate which hasn’t passed a budget since forever is, again, the problem” — and hang it on Harry Reid?

Will the people not ‘buy’ that? Or will the press not ‘report’ that? I guess I’m asking: why wouldn’t that work?

Cipherprime on September 11, 2013 at 10:05 AM

What does Obama have on the likes of Cantor and Boner? He must have dug up some serious stuff either through the NSA or the IRS. I cannot for the life of me understand any other reason why these establishment types are so adament to continually cover Obama’s azz. It makes no sense.

neyney on September 11, 2013 at 11:08 AM