Open thread: Desperate man tries to convince world he has faintest idea of what he’s doing

posted at 8:41 pm on September 10, 2013 by Allahpundit

9 p.m. ET all across the dial on cable news. Peggy Noonan calls it, correctly, “a White House address in which a president argues for an endeavor he is abandoning. It will be a president appealing for public support for an action he intends not to take.” Safe bets:

He will claim the moral high ground. He will temporarily reserve the use of force and welcome recent diplomatic efforts. He will suggest it was his threat of force that forced a possible diplomatic solution. His people will be all over the airwaves saying it was his deft leadership and steely-eyed threat to use force that allowed for a diplomatic break.

The real purpose of the speech will be to lay the predicate for a retrospective judgment of journalists and, later, historians. He was the president who warned the world and almost went—but didn’t go—to war to make a point that needed making.

Politico, while being careful to damn American institutions generally for the fiasco of the past two weeks, has an apt verdict on The One himself: “Barack Obama’s unsteady handling of the Syria crisis has been an avert-your-gaze moment in the history of the modern presidency — highlighting his unsettled views and unattractive options in a way that has caused his enemies to cackle and supporters to cringe.” Nonetheless, Noonan’s right. Expect the talking point for the rest of the week to be that this was Obama’s Cuban Missile Crisis, that he prevailed by coolly staring down the Russian bear and … letting himself be dragged to safety by Vladimir Putin at the last moment. One obvious difference between this and the Missile Crisis is that the missiles really were withdrawn from Cuba. The great American hope of disarming Assad at the UN won’t go nearly as well, per Yochi Dreazen:

Finding and securing all of Assad’s sites would be the first major challenge of implementing the Russian plan, but it would be far from the only one. The U.S. and allied personnel would then have to separate the chemical substances themselves from the warheads of his rockets, artillery shells or missiles that had been designed to carry them to their targets. The work itself would be carried out by either robots or specially-trained troops, but it would still be time-consuming and dangerous.

The next step would be to build new a new facility at each chemical weapons site to destroy all of the toxic substances. There are two basic ways to dispose of chemical weapons. One option involves spraying the chemicals themselves into specialized furnaces and then burning them at around 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit for one or two seconds. Nerve agents like sarin can also be rendered largely harmless by the addition of liquid sodium hydroxide, while mustard gas can be made safe with alkaline water. Kuhlman and other experts say that either type of destruction would have to be done at individual Syrian weapons facilities because it wouldn’t be safe to move the munitions to a centralized collection point or to a country like Russia while the fighting was raging.

“Do you really want to have truckloads of chemical weapons driving around Syria during the current situation?” he asked.

It’ll cost billions and might take more than a decade to complete, all the while knowing that Assad’s allies could re-arm him with WMD virtually overnight if they needed to. But then, the point here isn’t to disarm Assad, it’s to win the test of credibility with him by getting him to admit that chemical weapons are bad, bad, bad and the he should be disarmed. Mission accomplished. Now America collectively can get back to football and whatever Miley Cyrus is up to.

Rand Paul’s promising a rebuttal speech at 10 p.m. but it’s unclear whether the cable nets will pick it up live or whether we’ll have to watch online tomorrow. Regardless, now that O’s embracing Russia’s disarmament charade, some of the contrast has been lost. Expect Paul to focus on the president’s power, or lack thereof, to wage war without congressional authorization instead of the nuts and bolts of the Syria standoff. And if you’re bored with Syria by now, good news: The Colorado recall elections and the New York City mayoral primary are both happening tonight too. It’s Anthony Weiner’s last hurrah. Here’s your thread to grieve as a community.

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Well, at least Reggie Love will /swoon

Jeddite on September 10, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Desperate man tries to convince world he has faintest idea of what he’s doing

Never change, AP.

kim roy on September 10, 2013 at 8:44 PM

I almost feel sorry for the guy – nah

Come on Colorado!

gophergirl on September 10, 2013 at 8:44 PM

I’ll wait for a transcript. I just can’t bring myself to watch him gloat.

nobar on September 10, 2013 at 8:45 PM

What’s the over-under on how many times he uses “I/me/my”?

Steven Den Beste on September 10, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Just popped the corn!

Oh, man.

Whatever you do, DON’T click the ‘Obama + Unicorn’ link.

‘He’s the Obamamessiah! He’s perfect and he saved the world!’

- The Residents of My Progressive Little Ponyland

Resist We Much on September 10, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Does this mean that Putin gets Air Force One?

turfmann on September 10, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Where’s the live stream, except from the WH site?

Dusty on September 10, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Next Up…
September 10, 2013 9:00 PM EDT
Share
President Obama Addresses the Nation on Syria

The White House

http://www.whitehouse.gov/live

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Theater of the absurd. Putin is playing him like a violin.

missouriyankee on September 10, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Congress considers measure on military action in Syria
Obama addresses the nation on Syria, Sept. 10, 2013

In national address, President Obama to express skepticism on Russian Syria initiative but says he will explore it, administration official tells @Reuters

8 mins ago by editor

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:48 PM

‘Barack Obama’s unsteady handling of the Syria crisis has been an avert-your-gaze moment in the history of the modern presidency — highlighting his unsettled views and unattractive options in a way that has caused his enemies to cackle and supporters to cringe.’

- Politico

OUCH!

Resist We Much on September 10, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Congress considers measure on military action in Syria

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: Debate on Syria is ‘good’ for democracy – @washingtonpost

32 mins ago from http://www.washingtonpost.com by editor

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Blame Bush. Take credit. Lofty rhetoric. The End.

SAZMD on September 10, 2013 at 8:49 PM

He wants the military option.

Then he wants the diplomatic option.

And when that doesn’t work he wants the military option.

This is supposed to be a ‘win’?

ajacksonian on September 10, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Syrian civil war

Al-Qaida-linked group kills Syrian rebel commander in Idlib, Syria, per Al Arabiya correspondent – @AlArabiya_Eng

1 hour ago from twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng by editor

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:50 PM

What’s the over/under on “Let me be clear”?

newportmike on September 10, 2013 at 8:50 PM

{{{Soph}}}

*Gatorade?*

*Rubs shoulders* Look, he can’t win — look for him to try to get you tangled in the ropes, running out the clock, running out the clock — Stay loose. Keep moving. He needs to cheat — keep your eyes open, stay out of that corner . . .

1, 2, 3 — Just like the last hundred times . . .

1, 2, 3

Axe on September 10, 2013 at 8:51 PM

OUCH!

Resist We Much on September 10, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Resist We Much:Yup,OUWIEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:)

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Will MSNBC get the Thrill-up-their-legs back?

TarheelBen on September 10, 2013 at 8:51 PM

drinking game — each “I” and “My”

Axe on September 10, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Congress considers measure on military action in Syria

Poll of US House finds little support for Syrian resolution; 251 likely to oppose military strike – @washingtonpost

21 mins ago from http://www.washingtonpost.com by editor
=======================================================

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/liveblog/the-latest-developments-on-syria-live-updates/

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:52 PM

drinking game — each “I” and “My”

Axe on September 10, 2013 at 8:52 PM

and LIE

bazil9 on September 10, 2013 at 8:53 PM

12th Anniversary of 9/11 attacks

US presidential proclamation establishes Sept. 11, 2013 as Patriot Day, National Day of Service and Remembrance – whitehouse.gov

1 min ago from http://www.whitehouse.gov by editor
===============================================

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/09/10/presidential-proclamation-patriot-day-and-national-day-service-and-remem

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:53 PM

drinking game — each “I” and “My”

Axe on September 10, 2013 at 8:52 PM

and LIE

bazil9 on September 10, 2013 at 8:53 PM

bazil9:

And,……………Um’s and AH’s…:)

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Does this mean that Putin gets Air Force One?

turfmann on September 10, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Doubtful that Emperor I Won would give up one of the few things, like Air Force One, that he probably actually likes about America — but could easily see him giving Alaska back to Russia …

ShainS on September 10, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Putin and his goons gangbanged Obama and didnt even leave cab fare on the nightstand.

An unmitigated disaster from this Empty Suit.

matthew8787 on September 10, 2013 at 8:55 PM

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I wish he’d do the nation a service and RESIGN!

txhsmom on September 10, 2013 at 8:55 PM

drinking game — each “I” and “My”

Axe on September 10, 2013 at 8:52 PM

But I value my liver…..

nobar on September 10, 2013 at 8:56 PM

OOPS!

Try this Feed:)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/foreign-policy/syria

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:56 PM

bazil9:

And,……………Um’s and AH’s…:)

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Drunk in 60 seconds!

bazil9 on September 10, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Hmmm…wonder if mnjg’s mom will let him stay up past bedtime to watch?

xblade on September 10, 2013 at 8:57 PM

“Barack Obama’s unsteady handling of the Syria crisis entire presidency has been an avert-your-gaze moment in the history of the modern presidency …”

FIFM

ShainS on September 10, 2013 at 8:57 PM

FIRST!

I rock.

Bishop on September 10, 2013 at 8:57 PM

But I value my liver…..

nobar on September 10, 2013 at 8:56 PM

There ain’t enough liquor in the house for that… unless I get to the Thunderbird… and then… well… that’s it for me.

ajacksonian on September 10, 2013 at 8:57 PM

“let me be clear..”

“that’s not who we are”

wolly4321 on September 10, 2013 at 8:57 PM

drinking game — each “I” and “My”

Axe on September 10, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Will you even have time to get drunk?

txhsmom on September 10, 2013 at 8:57 PM

NOT gonna watch.
Will check back for ya’ll’s assessments.

pambi on September 10, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Glad someone has the guts to watch this. I just can’t but i would look to hear what you all think…Plus, how late do you think he’ll be?

sandee on September 10, 2013 at 8:58 PM

“Sometimes I underestimate the magnitude of me.”

– Barack Reginald Jackson Obama

ShainS on September 10, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Bishop on September 10, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Yes, you do. :)

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2013 at 8:58 PM

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I wish he’d do the nation a service and RESIGN!

txhsmom on September 10, 2013 at 8:55 PM

txhsmom:

Oh I fully agree,its been a train-wreck,since 2007:)

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I can hear the train wreck and I’m on the other side of the Potomac.

ajacksonian on September 10, 2013 at 8:59 PM

drinking game — each “I” and “My”

Axe on September 10, 2013 at 8:52 PM

and LIE

bazil9 on September 10, 2013 at 8:53 PM

bazil9:

And,……………Um’s and AH’s…:)

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Already totally f&@%ed up from the promos… I’m out of contention…

PointnClick on September 10, 2013 at 8:59 PM

that has caused his enemies to cackle and supporters to cringe.’

- Politico

Bull, Dog Eater’s supporters don’t cringe, get embarrassed, or find fault with anything he does, ever.

Bishop on September 10, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Yeah not watching – it’s been a horrible day

Let me know if he resigns

gophergirl on September 10, 2013 at 9:00 PM

I’d just like to ask. Have the leftists worked through all of that pent up white guilt they used to speak of yet? I ask because Lady Liberty and Uncle Sam could use a break from the continual beatings.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Yeah not watching – it’s been a horrible day

Let me know if he resigns

gophergirl on September 10, 2013 at 9:00 PM

I know what you mean…

sandee on September 10, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,………………….

Tweets All / No replies

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters 40s

Syria vows to give up chemical weapons, no deal yet at U.N http://reut.rs/18adEqE
=======================

WASHINGTON/AMMAN | Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:46pm EDT

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/11/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE9880HY20130911?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=992637

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 9:01 PM

9 p.m. ET all across the dial on cable news.

No networks?

Are you sure?

They’re not going to grovel before their master?

predator on September 10, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Blame Boosh and dem Jooooooos.

Philly on September 10, 2013 at 9:01 PM

I’m watching this on MSDNC just for the extra shiz and giggles.

JetBoy on September 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM

and LIE

bazil9 on September 10, 2013 at 8:53 PM

bazil9:

And,……………Um’s and AH’s…:)

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Well, don’t die peeps. :) There is such a thing as alcohol poisoning.

Axe on September 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM

gophergirl on September 10, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Horrible as in something happened to you personally? Or horrible as in Barack Obama is still the President?

txhsmom on September 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM

So Syria agrees to give up something they said they didn’t have…

sandee on September 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM

No way, not watching it. My kids are home, and I don’t want to subject them to the kind of language that economy-destroying, dictatorial traitorous piece of shit drives me to.

Midas on September 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM

predator on September 10, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Oh, I can’t imagine that they wouldn’t be there… slavering and slobbering over ‘The One’.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Congress considers measure on military action in Syria
Obama addresses the nation on Syria, Sept. 10, 2013

Live video: President Obama delivers remarks to the nation on the proposed US military response to Syria’s apparent chemical weapons attack in Damascus – @NBCNews

1 min ago from http://www.breakingnews.com by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM

totally NOT watching, but *clink* to all who are drinking here tonight!!

Scrumpy on September 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

So, is he there yet?

sandee on September 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

It’s the Rodeo Clown!

justltl on September 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

What does the PUTZ say?

“Ring-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!”

“Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow!
Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow!
Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow!”

“Hatee-hatee-hatee-ho!
Hatee-hatee-hatee-ho!
Hatee-hatee-hatee-ho!

Tchoff-tchoff-tchoffo-tchoffo-tchoff!
Joff-tchoff-tchoffo-tchoffo-tchoff!”

What does the PUTZ say?

“Jacha-chacha-chacha-chow!
Chacha-chacha-chacha-chow!
Chacha-chacha-chacha-chow!”

“Fraka-kaka-kaka-kaka-kow!
Fraka-kaka-kaka-kaka-kow!
Fraka-kaka-kaka-kaka-kow!”

“A-hee-ahee ha-hee!
A-hee-ahee ha-hee!
A-hee-ahee ha-hee!”

“A-oo-oo-oo-ooo!
Woo-oo-oo-ooo!”

(Thanks, Ylvis)

Pork-Chop on September 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Assad killed a couple hundred thousand with conventional means, but a couple hundred die from chem weapons and he finally wants to get tough.

JetBoy on September 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Already totally f&@%ed up from the promos… I’m out of contention…

PointnClick on September 10, 2013 at 8:59 PM

PointnClick:Lol:)

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

We all know he hasn’t the faintest idea of–anything–okay, well one thing so let the coast-to-coast gasbagging begin!

stukinIL4now on September 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

gophergirl on September 10, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Me neither. I decided last night that I wouldn’t watch, and unlike “The Won,” I won’t waiver.

Watching “The Two Towers” for the umpteenth time instead.

predator on September 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Scrumpy on September 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Glad to see you back and well, Spritely One. :)

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

He is starting to sound like the adults in a Peanuts cartoon.

ajacksonian on September 10, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Headline Previews:

Obama’s Got His Groove Back
How Obama Won
Greatest War Time Speech Since Civil War

El_Terrible on September 10, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Three cheers for a history lesson on why chemical weapons are bad. Thank you professor Obama.

Longing4Lincoln on September 10, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Moderate opposition,,

Dead kids..

wolly4321 on September 10, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Wish he’d stop talking about chemical weapons and get to a point.

Axe on September 10, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Horrible as in something happened to you personally? Or horrible as in Barack Obama is still the President?

txhsmom on September 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Family stress
Lots of work stress – threats of layoffs and a huge workload

Obama resigning could make it a better night :)

gophergirl on September 10, 2013 at 9:04 PM

His suit is going to melt off of him. And then he will hop up on the podium and start flinging poo at the cameras. And then he’ll get pulled off stage by one of those big poles with a hook on the end.

/Seriously

Key West Reader on September 10, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Putin’s not done with O’loser and Ketchup.

Give it a news cycle or two. The Russian has a plan to further weaken these imbeciles.

The famous line in the Brad Pitt movie “SNATCH”: “Never trust a Russian”.

patman77 on September 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Get along little doggie-eater.

justltl on September 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

ஜ۩۞۩ஜ

Murphy9 on September 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

The hand gestures (and the sound from them, picked up by the microphones) are just as annoying as the lies coming out of his mouth.

LegendHasIt on September 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

loveofcountry on September 10, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Oh, don’t worry. He’s EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!

Barred on September 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Obama addresses the nation on Syria, Sept. 10, 2013

President Obama, on Syria: ‘The situation profoundly changed on August 21st’ – live video

48 secs ago by editor

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Family stress
Lots of work stress – threats of layoffs and a huge workload

Obama resigning could make it a better night :)

gophergirl on September 10, 2013 at 9:04 PM

\ Sorry to hear that, I thought it was this whole Syrian mess…

sandee on September 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Thank you Jackie!! Good to be here :)

Hiya one and all!! I missed you guys and gals :)

Scrumpy on September 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Not watching.
I enjoyed my dinner, but I don’t want to see it again.

Jomama on September 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Here’s our proof: lots of circumstantial evidence… and also YouTube videos.

Longing4Lincoln on September 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

predator on September 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Storage Wars Texas for me

gophergirl on September 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

He’s leaving out the British use of CWs, plus Cambodia…. dear me, such an abbreviated history lesson about how, in trench warfare, CWs are bad.

ajacksonian on September 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Where’s the live stream, except from the WH site?

Dusty on September 10, 2013 at 8:47 PM

..in the old days — the 70s — a rock station (KMET) out here in SoCal would do a cynical commentary on the Rose Parade to offset the sugar-high that everyone’d get on January 1st. We need that now.

The War Planner on September 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

The international community largely is prepared to do squat about it, Obomba.

Philly on September 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

. . . still talking about chemical weapon attack that killed 1500 people on top of the 100,000 already killed with bullets . . .

Next . . . c’mon, next subject.

Nope, still chemical weapons.

Axe on September 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

OMG, Bark just said the world owes him thanks for stopping Assad from using nuclear weapons.

Bishop on September 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Jeebus… what a chump…. Barry couldn’t even get Snowden in the deal. He only got snowed.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on September 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Boyo,I wish Hopey had a zest for justice in Benghazi!!

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Ut oh. He’s going to explain “why”.

Not the who, what, when, where or how… but the “why”.

/Poo flinging to commence

Key West Reader on September 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

So just the regular blah,blah,blah…

sandee on September 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Like NK!!

canopfor on September 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Let’s attack Syria because… slippery slope? Really?! Is that the best he has?

Longing4Lincoln on September 10, 2013 at 9:07 PM

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