Fiasco: Russia “not enthusiastic” about UN resolution on Syria, says French FM; Update: Putin wants U.S. to call off strike

posted at 12:41 pm on September 10, 2013 by Allahpundit

Now I’m thinking maybe we should bomb Assad just to spite Putin.

What’s the point of proposing a “weapons inspection” charade if you’re not prepared to string it out for awhile?

Russia is not keen at this stage for a binding U.N. Security Council resolution that would provide a framework to control Syria’s chemical weapons’ stocks, France’s foreign minister said after talks with his Russian counterpart on Tuesday.

“As I understood, the Russians at this stage were not necessarily enthusiastic, and I’m using euphemism, to put all that into the framework of a U.N. binding resolution,” Laurent Fabius told French lawmakers after a telephone conversation with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

This is, I assume, a negotiation tactic by Russia designed to make sure the eventual resolution is nicely watered down before the Security Council votes. They’re willing to help Obama save face in the interest of keeping the U.S. out of Syria, but they’re surely not willing to authorize international military action against Assad if he doesn’t turn over his WMD before a set deadline. That would turn the charade of inspections into something meaningful. Remember, Russia’s not really offering to disarm Assad; what they’re offering is a de facto promise that he won’t use gas again, in the guise of him supposedly turning his WMD over to an international body. In return for making sure Assad doesn’t cross the red line again, they expect the U.S. and France not to be hard-asses at the UN about inspections and deadlines and other window dressing designed to ease this crisis. Sounds like the French are being sticklers, though. No wonder Moscow isn’t “enthusiastic.”

By the way, lest you doubt that this is all a charade, consider the logistics of having Assad hand over his weapons to the UN. Here’s Charles Crawford of the Telegraph fleshing out “the worst day in western diplomatic history”:

Chemical weapons are relatively easy to make and store (and fire), but much harder to dismantle safely. The chemicals themselves are fiendishly dangerous and need to be destroyed with specialist equipment without creating environmental hazards. Plus the explosive part of the delivery shell needs careful handling. Destroying CW stocks is therefore a complex and expensive operation, even under calm conditions. Both the United States and Russia have both heavily failed to meet internationally agreed deadlines for destroying their massive Cold War legacy chemical weapons stocks.

There is no precedent for attempting anything like this in a country wracked by civil war. It just can’t happen. No Syrian chemical weapons will be destroyed or “handed over” quickly.

Meanwhile any new process of setting up an international monitoring and destruction regime will require painstaking UN and wider negotiation with the Assad regime, thereby giving Assad and his state apparatus a massive boost of renewed confidence and legitimacy. Before long Washington may find itself locked on to implicitly or even explicitly supporting Assad in his civil war as the best chance to get some sort of internationally agreed CW destruction programme delivered in Syria.

It’s doubtful that the UN knows where all of Assad’s weapons are, and even if they did, he’s not going to forfeit a prized deterrent to foreign attacks. Which is why, of course, Russia proposed the inspections scheme in the first place — it’ll achieve little while buying Assad a lot of time, conceivably, to “comply” while he’s busy crushing the Sunnis. What they didn’t bargain for is the west insisting, for now at least, on quick action and meaningful compliance. This is supposed to be kabuki to allow the west to exit semi-gracefully from the big “red line” clusterfark but the French (and the White House?) are taking it seriously. Don’t they know how to play this game?

Speaking of which, the White House isn’t still going to push for a vote in Congress, is it? The whole point of trying the “diplomatic track,” I thought, was to delay the vote indefinitely and then hope that Syria quietly fades from public consciousness. (Democrats are counting on it for the midterms!) Instead…

Senior congressional aides say a bipartisan group of senators is working on an alternative measure to a resolution authorizing U.S. military force against Syria.

The group met late Monday on a plan that would call on the U.N. Security Council stating that Syria has chemical weapons and requiring a U.N. team to remove the weapons within a specific time period, possibly 60 days. If this cannot be done, then President Barack Obama has the authority to launch military strikes.

The senators working on the proposal are Republicans John McCain, Kelly Ayotte, Lindsey Graham and Saxby Chambliss along with Democrats Chris Coons, Bob Casey, Chuck Schumer, Carl Levin and Bob Menendez.

Maybe the White House does still want a vote, at least in the Senate. This little Russian diplomatic reprieve may be just “reasonable” enough to reassure wavering Democrats and Republicans that they’re not voting for war, they’re merely voting to increase Obama’s negotiation leverage with Syria and Russia. It might get him to 60, and then, if/when things bog down in the Security Council again, he can attack Assad for dragging his feet while crowing that the Senate authorized him to do so. If an attack is still in the offing potentially — and the longer “inspections” take, the less likely that is as the Beltway turns to other topics — then this may be O’s last, best chance to build some congressional support. Exit question: Any chance of a House majority voting yes too?

Update: He’s just twisting the knife now:

Speaking exclusively to RT, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Syria’s chemical arms handover will only work if the US and its allies renounce the use of force against Damascus.

“Certainly, this is all reasonable, it will function and will work out, only if the US and those who support it on this issue pledge to renounce the use of force, because it is difficult to make any country – Syria or any other country in the world – to unilaterally disarm if there is military action against it under consideration,” President Putin told exclusively to RT on Tuesday.

So the only way to make Assad comply is to remove America’s military leverage over the process, which Democrats have been touting relentlessly over the past 24 hours as proof that President Badass deserves credit for making this happen? I doubt even a chastened, humiliated O will agree to that. Exit quotation from Nancy:


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Chuckles3 on September 10, 2013 at 1:59 PM

I’m sorry, sir, movies, plays and stories are required to make sense and have a continuity to them, with people who have sincere beliefs showing them and facing travails as they go.

Reality has no such limitations.

ajacksonian on September 10, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Welp, dipping the feetsies into World War 3 territory again… To prarphrase the words of Cecil from that one Sideshow Bob episode… better hold on to your ears but we’ll be nowhere near them.

Thanks, Obama – this is what you’ve always wanted in your secret plan to get back at the West.

The Nerve on September 10, 2013 at 2:01 PM

What will Obama and his administration’s incompetence bring us next? Stay tuned…

gwelf on September 10, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Well, tomorrow is the anniversary of…

Del Dolemonte on September 10, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Anyone know which breakfast cereal applies here?

rogerb on September 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Oops All Berries

Puffed Rice

Frosted Flakes w Brown Sugar

Clusters

Body Buddies

Waffle Crisp

Boo Berry

matthew8787 on September 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM

just hope they realize there is a wild card in here – Israel

RonK on September 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM

obama should hand over his Nobel to Putin.

Schadenfreude on September 10, 2013 at 1:04 PM

No. Putin should publicly demand it as part of the deal.

freedomfirst on September 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM

kingsjester on September 10, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Good man. I was thinking about looking that quote up last night as this FUBAR/SNAFU has progressed.

chemman on September 10, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Can’t make this up, no way.

Schadenfreude on September 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM

*** Link Spoiler Warning ***

Unexplode your head if it exploded before you finished reading the article: Article says “…named after the American Revolutionary War officer John Barry”

Tsar of Earth on September 10, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Anyone know which breakfast cereal applies here?

rogerb on September 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM

How about this one?

Colon Blow

Del Dolemonte on September 10, 2013 at 2:06 PM

matthew8787 on September 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Sugar Smacks.

ajacksonian on September 10, 2013 at 2:07 PM

How about this one?

Colon Blow

Del Dolemonte on September 10, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Great choice but, I still say this one.

MontanaMmmm on September 10, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Anyone know which breakfast cereal applies here?

rogerb on September 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM

How about this one?

Colon Blow

Del Dolemonte on September 10, 2013 at 2:06 PM

looool :)

jimver on September 10, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Anyone know which breakfast cereal applies here?

rogerb on September 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Kaboom…for the win!

t on September 10, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Anyone know which breakfast cereal applies here?

rogerb on September 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Kaboom…for the win!

t on September 10, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Wait!
I was trying to find this one, took me a bit.

https://www.crapola.us/

MontanaMmmm on September 10, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Someone ought to be telling Mr. President the story of Lucy, Charlie Brown, and a football.

scalleywag on September 10, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Speaking of breakfast cereal, you just knew this was All Big Religion’s Fault!

The first modern and commercial cereal foods were created by the American Seventh-day Adventists. The Adventists formed the Western Health Reform Institute in the 1860s. The Institute was later renamed the Battle Creek Sanitarium after its location in Battle Creek, Michigan. The Adventists manufactured, promoted, and sold wholesome cereals.

Del Dolemonte on September 10, 2013 at 2:30 PM

jimver@1:48. That posting needed a warning. Cleaning lunch off my windshield as we speak.

Whiterock on September 10, 2013 at 2:34 PM

So the only way to make Assad comply is to remove America’s military leverage over the process, which Democrats have been touting relentlessly over the past 24 hours as proof that President Badass deserves credit for making this happen? I doubt even a chastened, humiliated O will agree to that.

Hmmm. Maybe mnopqr can explain it all to us

There Goes the Neighborhood on September 10, 2013 at 2:44 PM

In a lot of movies there is a character that you love to hate. Not the villain, but someone of less stature than the villain. Villains are meant to elicit fear. The sub-villains usually elicit loathing and frustration rather than fear. Some of their theatrical character traits are: duplicity, sneakiness, laziness, dishonesty, and malevolence. They are also generally weak, craven and vaguely effeminate if they are a male.’They are not someone that you would want to be around.

So Russia, in classic, dark Russian fashion, has a villain for their leader.
And we, we have THAT OTHER GUY. How the hell did we get the other guy as our leader???

justltl on September 10, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Idiot wind blowing like a circle around my skull
From the Grand Coulee Dam to Capitol
Idiot wind blowing every time you move you teeth
You’re an idiot babe.
It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

—Bob Dylan

claudius on September 10, 2013 at 2:47 PM

UPDATE.

Wow, President Four-Putt is getting his a$$ kicked.

BigWyo on September 10, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Thanks to Pres. Obama’s strength, we have a Russian proposal. We hope that it is credible and real, and therefore progress.

Again, Pelosi is telling us we need to accept it before we know what’s in it. Obamacare part deux?

socalcon on September 10, 2013 at 2:52 PM

MSM alert::::::

Pres. Obama, NSA in talks with “GOOGLE CHROME” on having Google Earth delet all books and on line instructions on how to brew Sarin Gas so that this “putting the current stocks of the gas in the hands of the U.N.” means just a bit more than “Jack Shit”.

Then the old itoldyouso’s in Iran will issue a FatWAT that orders all the ones of terror to never ever make Sarin Gas again.

Obama the all powerfull one…..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on September 10, 2013 at 2:52 PM

tset

APACHEWHOKNOWS on September 10, 2013 at 2:55 PM

New Meme: Gaffeplomacy Is A Victory For America Or Something

Resist We Much on September 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM

The system worked!” — Butch Napolitano

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 10, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Putin – chess
obama – checkers candy land

Schadenfreude on September 10, 2013 at 1:11 PM

FIFY. :-)

Candy Land (also Candyland) is a simple racing board game. The game requires no reading and minimal counting skills, making it suitable for young children.

Perfect for Little Barry!

Punchenko on September 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

LOL. That deserved another look.

… still laughing …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 10, 2013 at 3:15 PM

He’s really smart. We swear!~

/MSM

Key West Reader on September 10, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Putin: “I’m getting tired of humiliating Obama. It’s too easy.”

The Rogue Tomato on September 10, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Wow! UN “discussions”. Let’s see how long Syria can drag this out. It’s worked so far for the North Koreans and the Iranians.

GarandFan on September 10, 2013 at 3:44 PM

BOMB OBAMACARE not SYRIA

Patriots! – get this information out to WE THE PEOPLE… may it burn through the nation like a RAGING FOREST FIRE —->>> GO GO GO!

–>>> Ted Cruz: GOP leadership working with Harry Reid to save Obamacare<<<–

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2013/09/10/ted-cruz-gop-leadership-working-with-harry-reid-to-save-obamacare/

Is there ANY DOUBT concerning whether this Leader, Sen Ted Cruz, is a member of WE THE PEOPLE, and not ‘we the ruling class’?

Is there ANY DOUBT to whom is his FIRST ALLEGIANCE???

Does he EXPOSE their intentions and CHICANERY, REPEATEDLY, BOLDLY and without blinking an eye???

DEO GRATIAS for this man!

THANK YOU TEXAS!

THANK YOU Madame Steel Spine!

#CruzMissile ———>>>>>> [GOP Establishment] KABOOM!!!

This man has NO FEAR … he is UNFETTERED by any ties to Cronies, by any GOPe ‘deals’

he can therefore speak his principled mind FREELY

on any issue
in any way
at any time

exodus2011 on September 10, 2013 at 3:48 PM

GarandFan on September 10, 2013 at 3:44 PM

The Stonewalling has already begun. And quite frankly, this Administration has absolutely no right to complain. The can expect to be given NO MORE than they give.

Jabberwock on September 10, 2013 at 3:53 PM

BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA!

TX-96 on September 10, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Putin: “I’m getting tired of humiliating Obama. It’s too easy.”

The Rogue Tomato on September 10, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Putin is clearly the bully personality and Obama is the dork.
One can only stuff a dork into his locker so many times before it loses its appeal.

justltl on September 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM

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