Syria: We “welcome” Russia’s proposal to turn over our chemical weapons to international control; Update: Rand Paul interested

posted at 2:01 pm on September 9, 2013 by Allahpundit

He turned the ball over underneath his own basket and now here’s the easy lay-up.

Maybe the new White House strategy is to lose so much U.S. credibility through Obama and Kerry sounding like morons that Congress has no choice but to support bombing in order to get some of it back. Proposed White House sales pitch: “Vote yes and we’ll shut up.”

The government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on Monday said it welcomed a Russian proposal to avert U.S. military strikes by having Damascus turn over control of its chemical weapons to international monitors.

The statement by Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem in Moscow offered the first indication that a diplomatic solution may be possible to the international standoff that has evolved since apparent chemical weapons attacks on rebel-held suburbs outside Damascus on August 21…

Moualem said Syria “welcomes the Russian initiative,” but did not say whether his country would agree to what Russia was asking. “We also welcome the wisdom of the Russian leadership, which is trying to prevent American aggression against our people,” Moulaem said.

Hours earlier, in London, Secretary of State John F. Kerry sketched out a similar transfer-of-control scenario, then dismissed it, after being asked by a reporter whether there was anything that Assad could do to avoid an attack. “Sure, he could turn over every bit of his weapons to the international community within the next week, without delay,” Kerry said. “But he isn’t about to.”

This proposal is being taken sufficiently seriously at the UN that Ban Ki-Moon called it something the Security Council might potentially unite around. So now, thanks to Kerry, Assad might be able to follow the Iranian nuclear script to stave off a U.S. attack — agree to “dialogue,” wrangle over inspections, and then stall, stall, stall while his enemy’s will to act gradually erodes. The State Department, backed into a corner by the boss’s idiocy, now has no choice but to agree to take a “hard look” at the proposal, but at this afternoon’s briefing the department’s line on what Kerry said is that .. yeah, he’s kind of an idiot:

Our “moderate” Syrian rebel allies are naturally furious that the big bombing run might be suspended over this.

Here’s the thing, though: Doesn’t the Russian proposal get Obama what he ostensibly wants, i.e. an Assad who’s afraid to use chemical weapons again? O doesn’t care if Assad keeps his weapons; he doesn’t even care if he uses them, provided he does so on a small enough scale that deniability is kinda sorta plausible. See, for example, this new LA Times report about how U.S. intelligence had a strong suspicion as far back as last summer, before O issued his “red line” ultimatum, that Syrian troops were gassing people. The Damascus attack wasn’t a gamechanger because it was novel, it was a gamechanger because it was so big that Obama would be humiliated if he didn’t respond. Now here’s Russia seizing on Kerry’s gaffe as a way to keep the U.S. off its turf, essentially guaranteeing that Assad won’t use gas again via the fiction of Syria turning over its weapons or whatever. Big question for Obama now: Is it more important to him to de-escalate this conflict that he bumbled into, even if it means losing face by letting the Russians bail him out, or is it more important to restore his “credibility” by punching Assad regardless of what that might mean for the conflict blowing up? If he accepts Russia’s “offer,” he’s endorsing the charade that Assad will voluntarily disarm in exchange for a de facto promise that he won’t gas people again. If he rejects it, he still has to deal with a congressional headache, the headache of organizing military ops, etc. How much face is The One willing to lose to Putin after the Snowden humiliation? More face than he’s willing to lose after his big push in Congress ends up failing miserably?

Update: Via Breitbart, the Senate’s leading opponent of the war sees a way out:

“I think it would be a great step forward if Assad were willing to do it and if Russia were willing to monitor it or an international authority with Russia,” Paul, an outspoken opponent of U.S. military strikes in Syria, said in a phone interview with Breitbart News on Monday. “I think part of diplomacy and getting things to work is allowing people to save face. If there’s a way Russia can save face in this thing and be part of an international coalition, that’s what we should shoot for.”

“I think one of the biggest problems with bombing Assad is that if we bomb Assad and we destabilize the chemical weapons and they become loose within the country and al Qaeda gets access to them, then I think that’s the real disaster,” Paul explained. “Even [Secretary of State John] Kerry admitted it would take 75,000 American troops to secure these weapons, and that’s what I’ve been saying all along—that bombing may actually lead to more instability.”

“But having an international body take control of the chemical weapons would add much greater stability, and I think it would be a benefit for all of us if that would happen,” he added.

Update: Emily Zanotti of Naked DC summarizes the case for accepting Russia’s offer: “Sure, we’ll probably look kind of stupid, but we already look kind of stupid, and as the Administration slams head first into a likely ‘no’ vote on a use of force authorization, being caught with our pants down now, before we commit our armed forces and risk American lives might not be such a bad thing.”


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Bono is not going to be happy. I didn’t notice any sentencing terms. Six months minimum security?

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Neither will the midget mayor…this link has the details of the charges.

http://www.suntimes.com/22212263-761/watchdogs-tally-in-illinois-grant-fraud-probe-so-far-13-charged-16m-embezzled.html

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:19 PM

davidk on September 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM

In context, I wrote ‘step up” to mean support of the rebels – not the scale of a missile strike.

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:20 PM

To us it matters who it is, squish. He is not for the USA.
Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Exactly. And from what I’m seeing it looks like Obozo wants to lend a helping hand in establishing a caliphate, as evidenced by who he aids and abets in Egypt, Libya and Syria.

BeachBum on September 9, 2013 at 3:20 PM

I do not need to justify my history of being a conservative and have opposed 99.99% of Obama actions and rhetoric…

Oh really?

Links and examples, please.

However I know that I do not look at the US from the pure partisan political prism… For me the USA is not who is President unlike many on the left and right…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Which is why you so obediently spout the talking points for the Barack Obama Party, which says that Barack is the State and that any dissent from what Barack says is sedition and treason.

northdallasthirty on September 9, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Al Qaeda terrorists are a small faction of the rebels.

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Islamofacists are most certainly NOT a small faction of the rebels. You’ve been lied to about this. Dupe.

blink on September 9, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Methinks mnjg has been lied to a lot since January of 2009…

Del Dolemonte on September 9, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Now without a single missile fired by our military not only we deterred and degraded Assad chemical weapons but he gave them up entirely for destruction…
mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:17 PM

but was that really the goal? or was it a pretext to get militarily involved in syria to try and topple assad? and as for those saying this is part of a proxy war w/ iran not being able to strike syria hurts that goal. 0bama and his crew blew it. big time.

chasdal on September 9, 2013 at 3:23 PM

davidk on September 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM

In context, I wrote ‘step up” to mean support of the rebels – not the scale of a missile strike.

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:20 PM

It certainly is a debatable point, but one could infer that a more limited strike translates to a softening of support.

davidk on September 9, 2013 at 3:23 PM

I do not need to justify my history of being a conservative because every single post of mine here proves that I am in fact an O’bama Cult Member.

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Edited to reflect (sad) reality.

Del Dolemonte on September 9, 2013 at 3:24 PM

The dumbshits in the WH gave Dempsey 53 different plans of ‘attack’ in the last 3 days.

Imagine how frantic they are now.

I can’t laugh any more.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

…while Putin is singlehandedly restoring the world peace without one bullet being shot :).. Plus Assad can return now to kicking Al Qaeda’s and the ‘rebels’ – aka jihadists’ ass with impunity, couldn’t think of a better outcome :)…wonder when the coronation of Putin as new world leader by the into media starts…old hotness: ‘smart power’; new hotness: ‘Putin’s and and his diplomatic skills: :) …

jimver on September 9, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Sen. Paul falling for this reenforces my belief that we don’t have a lot of really experienced people in the wings. I wonder if this is suppose to make Hillary look a sage player on the world stage?

[Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 3:02 PM]

Maybe I missed earlier comments of yours highlight the problem as you see it, Cindy, but why do you believe taking up Putin’s offer is a bad thing to do? I realize there are potential pitfalls in that Putin and Assad might play it out and not really do it, but it does in essence address the crux of the problem.

Dusty on September 9, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Putin is linking the Arab Spring Chaos to Obama’s whoring of our policy to the Saudis & Al Qaeda.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM

And Putin seems quite adept at doing so.

Smart power.

coldwarrior on September 9, 2013 at 2:48 PM

What really happened at the Summit?

“US staging these craaazy springs chaos…and you will be next Comrades…Have another Vodka and let’s discuss how to reign in this stupidity, also our scientists predict a very cold winter this year…Try our excellent Caviar Comrades…Also to Mr. Cameron We own most of London…and here is one of our excellent Russian Beauties Miss Russia accompanied by the incomparable Miss China to light the Fire Works I prepared for your amusement…” – Putin to EU Leaders

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:26 PM

‘ Putin’s abs and his diplomatic skillz’ ‘ that is…

jimver on September 9, 2013 at 3:26 PM

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Dang, Regina Hill made out like a bandit, pun intended.

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Dusty on September 9, 2013 at 3:25 PM

It it is a real offer I wouldn’t be against it but why would I expect it to be any different than the mess Iran pulls daily? And if they secure current stock piles, how do I know that they don’t have the ability to make more? To be honest I am not even sure that Assad did it. And wasn’t this the second time gas had been used? What happened to the red line the first time?

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 3:32 PM

but was that really the goal? or was it a pretext to get militarily involved in syria to try and topple assad? and as for those saying this is part of a proxy war w/ iran not being able to strike syria hurts that goal. 0bama and his crew blew it. big time.

chasdal on September 9, 2013 at 3:23 PM

The stated goal of the strikes was never to topple Assad… In fact Obama and his team made this point very clear in multiple occasions…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM

The horrifying pictures of dead children being used by the Obama administration to justify an attack on Syria, with the claim that the Assad regime carried out the chemical attacks that killed those children, while emotionally heartbreaking, do not tell the story of those children and do not tell you the main point the Obama administration is trying to coverup.

Those children were kidnapped over a week earlier, before they were slaughtered……. by the Obama backed Syrian rebels.

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2013/09/08/syrian-children-kidnapped-by-rebels-identified-as-gas-victims-by-obama-administration-video/

davidk on September 9, 2013 at 3:34 PM

I linked this in QOTD last night but I think this is an accurate and scathing review of Obama’s foreign policies. This man could not find his azz with both hands.

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 3:35 PM

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Ok, yes, I did miss the sarcasm. I took what you wrote at face value. My apologies. Not sarcasm.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 3:36 PM

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Obama has been effectively hampered by smoke and mirrors.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 3:37 PM

davidk on September 9, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Do we know if they are actually dead, and if they are who killed them?

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 3:39 PM

The stated goal of the strikes was never to topple Assad… In fact Obama and his team made this point very clear in multiple occasions…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM

They’ve made many points on many occasions.

Just this morning, Kerry contradicted Dennis McDonough this morning on the size of the strikes.

Just two years ago, Obama said ‘Assad must go.’

This morning, we’re whittled to forcing Assad to eat his Cheerios with a fork instead of a spoon.

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 3:40 PM

If this is such a great outcome, then why didn’t Obama ask for this from the beginning?

Why did Obama say that Syria had to be attacked for using chemical weapons?

It’s hilarious watching you try to spin this as some sort of victory for Obama.

blink on September 9, 2013 at 2:19 PM

And when Kerry made a similar proposal, a)he attached a ridiculous one week deadline; b)he treated it as an absurdity, saying Hassad would never agree to it; and c) State walked it back, calling it a “rhetorical argument,”rather than an offer. If Putin’s gambit works, maybe Kerry will claim his was an offer before it was an argument.

Barnestormer on September 9, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Rush says this is intentional… designed to undermine US

Damn. We gotta get rid of this Obama fellow… Who will step up and stop him?

Key West Reader on September 9, 2013 at 3:48 PM

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Ok, yes, I did miss the sarcasm. I took what you wrote at face value. My apologies. Not sarcasm.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Thanks.

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:49 PM

This could end up a big win for Assad. If the chemical weapons stores are put under UN or Russian guard, that frees up a significant portion of Assad’s regular armed forces to engage with the rebels.

No way that Assad agrees to anything but temporary stewardship of the chemical weapons. They will not be allowed to leave a few large Syrian bases. Those are likely to be Putin’s terms as well. (Even though the Russians are experts at moving chemical weapons.)

Even at that he can hide small amounts in undisclosed locations for small-scale use as response if the rebels use chemical weapons against him again.

slickwillie2001 on September 9, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Update:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/09/Clinton–Syrian-chemical-arms-handover-would-be-important-step

Hillary Clinton emerged from a meeting with President Barack Obama Monday saying a Russian plan for Syria to hand over its chemical arms would be an “important step.”

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 3:50 PM

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Dang, Regina Hill made out like a bandit, pun intended.

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Have ya seen the NY Post recently…They got hold of Lust Demon RFK’s diary…

In today’s installment…Senor Kennedy offers choice observations on comrades Jackson,Sharpton,Cuomo etc.

http://nypost.com/2013/09/09/diary-bombshell-rfks-secret-slams-against-al-sharpton-jesse-jackson-and-gov-cuomo/

Progressive cannibalism…enjoy

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:50 PM

The stated goal of the strikes was never to topple Assad… In fact Obama and his team made this point very clear in multiple occasions…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM

…after Hillary/obama said he must go…we know, we know…

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Update:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/09/Clinton–Syrian-chemical-arms-handover-would-be-important-step

Hillary Clinton emerged from a meeting with President Barack Obama Monday saying a Russian plan for Syria to hand over its chemical arms would be an “important step.”

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Which means Obama will say he worked closely with Putin at the summit…

yada yada yada

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:52 PM

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:50 PM

And no matter how scummy and corrupt, they are still better than people on the right.

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Who will step up and stop him?

Key West Reader on September 9, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Term limits.

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Russia will not be the only nation to take Assad chemical weapons and destroy it… There will be a host of countries who will be tasked to do so…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

You are out of your tiny mind if you think Assad is going to let anyone ‘TAKE’ his chemical weapons. The offer is to let them be put under international control, where they are. They will not be moved, and the deal will be that after the c-war is over the international control will be released.

The onus will be on Assad to tell us where they all are.

If Assad agreed to anything more he would be shot by people in his own party, maybe even his brother, and he knows it.

slickwillie2001 on September 9, 2013 at 3:56 PM

The whole prob for Obama is that he built his presidency on voting no on iraq. Thats what put him above Hillary, he was right about Iraq and the “experienced” person was wrong. But I think the really scary thing in this whole fiasco is how the media likes to trumpet the use of the weapons to get the US involved and yet the weapons havent been decisive. The truth is chemical weapons for the most part are not as useful as many in the media would have you believe.

snoopicus on September 9, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Which means Obama will say he worked closely with Putin at the summit…

yada yada yada

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Yup.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 4:05 PM

With strong advice on “how to” from the North Koreans and Iranians, Assad could stretch out “negotiations” for years, on what, where, when he’ll turn over his chemical weapons.

GarandFan on September 9, 2013 at 4:06 PM

You are out of your tiny mind if you think Assad is going to let anyone ‘TAKE’ his chemical weapons. The offer is to let them be put under international control, where they are. They will not be moved, and the deal will be that after the c-war is over the international control will be released.

The onus will be on Assad to tell us where they all are.

If Assad agreed to anything more he would be shot by people in his own party, maybe even his brother, and he knows it.

slickwillie2001 on September 9, 2013 at 3:56 PM

He will do what Qaddafi did after Saddam fall… Just watch…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 4:08 PM

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:50 PM

And no matter how scummy and corrupt, they are still better than people on the right.

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Yes…because Backward Christian War on Womynz Racists or something

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:09 PM

With strong advice on “how to” from the North Koreans and Iranians, Assad could stretch out “negotiations” for years, on what, where, when he’ll turn over his chemical weapons.

GarandFan on September 9, 2013 at 4:06 PM

His chemical weapons will be taken out and destroyed within two month… Assad is the most cowardly person on the planet…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Which means Obama will say he worked closely with Putin at the summit…

yada yada yada

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Yup.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Politically Twerking our way to Irrelevancy.

New Skool Ya’ll

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:11 PM

His chemical weapons will be taken out and destroyed within two month… Assad is the most cowardly person on the planet…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 4:11 PM

No.

His weapons go in a storage locker provided by Putin.

You embarrass yourself.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Russia will not be the only nation to take Assad chemical weapons and destroy it… There will be a host of countries who will be tasked to do so…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

And, if the rebels use their own again, who is going to take control of them? Is the US still going to side with them?

Why is Assad’s (possible) use of WMD worse than the Syrian rebels using their own, including the WMD known as AQ?

You keep saying that the rebels are ‘moderates,’ but:

* Abu Osama al Tunisi, the Commander of the Syrian Free Army, pledged allegiance to and said that SFA members were joining al Qaeda; and,

* Colonel Abdul Jabbar al-Okaidi, the head of the United States-backed opposition’s Syrian Free Army, appeared in a video alongside Abu Jandal, a leader of the Al-Qaeda-affiliated Islamic State in Iraq and Syria; and,

* 4 out of 5 Syrian Free Army commanders have demanded that they be able to work with al Qaeda; and

* Syrian rebels have admitted (and the UN has agreed) that they have used chemical weapons; and,

* The rebels are into cannibalism and beheadings; and,

* The ‘moderate’ rebels have attacked the predominantly Christian village of Ma’aloula, which is home to some of the most ancient Orthodox Christian relics, a major pilgrimage destination, and is on the UNESCO list of tentative world heritage sites – all of which has caused the community of Trappistine nuns to condemn Obama for his silence on the atrocities being committed upon Christians ‘despite all justice, all common sense, all mercy, all humility, all wisdom;’ and,

* They have been committing documented atrocities all over Syria.

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 4:13 PM

His chemical weapons will be taken out and destroyed within two month… Assad is the most cowardly person on the planet…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Yeah, ‘cuz, like, um, ya know, he changed his mind and went to Congress for something that he claimed to have an absolute right to do.

If Assad were the ‘most cowardly person on the planet,’ he never would have allegedly crossed Obama’s red line in the first place, genius.

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 4:15 PM

I wonder how long now we’ll have to wait before the Iranians perform their first nuclear test.

zoyclem on September 9, 2013 at 4:16 PM

What does it say that, after years of denouncing the part of the Bush Doctrine that argued ‘we have to fight them over there so that we don’t have to fight them here,’ Obama is left with sending out his political brain, David Axelrod, to sell Syria intervention with this:

‘[We have to] tak[e] the war to Syria so we don’t have to fight it on our shores.’

- David Axelrod, Meet the Press, 8 September 2013

Seriously, do you think that the rest of the country has fallen down the rabbit hole with you? If so, lay off the White Rabbit, dude.

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Putin is under no illusions about the Muslims…Iran is willing to be his useful tool as is Assad because they are in the minority.

Putin and Xi Jingpin are playing a bigger game here.

Yep.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:17 PM

No.

His weapons go in a storage locker provided by Putin.

You embarrass yourself.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Syria can also use this as an excuse to unearth and dispose of the leaky old Iraqi chemical weapons that they took from Saddam as a favor to the Russians ten years ago, and someone else will pay for it!

slickwillie2001 on September 9, 2013 at 4:20 PM

I wonder how long now we’ll have to wait before the Iranians perform their first nuclear test.

zoyclem on September 9, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Israel will keep doing their counter strikes…and Putin will keep trying to contain the situation within the region.

Putin isn’t gonna give up his hold on Gas to Europe.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Sounds like a win for both sides.

Putin gets to claim victory by merely placing a phone call to Assad and telling him, “hey, if anybody asks, we’ve taken control of all your chemical weapons.” Assad laughs and says thanks. Putin gets to boast to his allies that he protected Syria from the big bad U.S.

Meanwhile, Barry gets to save face, and claim that he was able to solve the crisis without military action. His sycophants in the media gasp and swoon and tell the LIV’s what a great triumph this was for the lightbringer; he solved the problem using international diplomacy, not missiles. He’s a genius, just like they always said he was!

Meanwhile, absolutely nothing has changed in Syria — which is also what the proposed military strike was going to accomplish.

Brilliant!

AZCoyote on September 9, 2013 at 4:22 PM

It is rare in diplomatic history that a great power allows itself to be so baffled and humiliated at every level, at every stage, of a self-manufactured crisis. The Russians are doubtless laughing themselves silly at our actions, but at the same time our behavior on the diplomatic stage is so idiotic and self-defeating that it must be giving rise to anxiety. There is surely the growing sense that the US leadership is not composed of “rational actors” but fools, people who not only know nothing about statesmanship and international affairs but whose behavior is irrational and unpredictable.

How do you handle the Monkey with a Grenade? Very carefully, using your superior intelligence to attain control. It’s like dealing with children. If you know how to exert parental influence wisely, even a baby sitting on an atomic bomb can be eating out of your hand in no time.

spiritof61 on September 9, 2013 at 4:22 PM

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Weren’t you saying that Assad is a saint the other day?

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Putin and Xi Jingpin seek to have influence in how Iran and the region develops politically.

Managing the Arab Spring towards a Stability they can control.

The Saudis know this and don’t like it cause it diminishes their influence…gasping as they fade…If ya can’t beat Al Qaeda join them crapola.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:25 PM

OT

In other news…Enjoy…

13 Democrats Charged With Embezzling $16 Million In Federal Grants For AIDS Charities And Other Needy Programs! Rev. Wright Daughter Among Those Charged

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/13-democrats-charged-with-embezzling-16-million-in-federal-grants-for-aids-charities-and-other-needy-programs-rev-wright-daughter-among-those-charged/

Karma Dominoes!

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Chickens, roost, etc.

Midas on September 9, 2013 at 4:25 PM

This Putin guy. Do you think he would moonlight here?

katy the mean old lady on September 9, 2013 at 4:26 PM

The stated goal of the strikes was never to topple Assad… In fact Obama and his team made this point very clear in multiple occasions…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Read Amb. Rice’s latest tweets. The goal posts have been moved and we now want to remove President Assad from power.

Johnnyreb on September 9, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Chickens, roost, etc.

Midas on September 9, 2013 at 4:25 PM

*clink*

have another vodka comrade

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Obama hits new low on foreign policy in CNN polling

‘…a new national poll indicates the president’s approval rating on foreign policy has hit an all-time low. And only three in ten approve of how he is handling Syria.

Only four in ten approve of the job Obama is doing on foreign policy, with 57% of those questioned giving the president a thumbs down. The 40% approval rating on foreign policy is Obama’s lowest level ever on that issue in CNN polling.

“President Obama’s approval rating on foreign affairs has continued its steady decline – from 54% in January to 49% in April, 44% in June, and just 40% now,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “This may be a troubling sign for a president who in past polls had always scored his highest ratings for his handling of foreign affairs.”

Specifically on Syria, only 31% of the public approves of the president’s policies and actions, with 63% giving him a thumbs down.

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Do you know that both Bashar and his father before him were elected each time with over 97% of the vote… Now tell me how can anyone in such thriving democracy like Syria, the most thriving democracy in history, would be elected by over 97% of the votes if not for their supreme benevolence…

[mnjg on September 7, 2013 at 5:19 PM]

Bashar Assad is a Saint… His army will never ever commit any atrocities… ever…

mnjg on September 7, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM

His chemical weapons will be taken out and destroyed within two month…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 4:11 PM

You’re a joke. It will probably take two months just to negotiate the deal.

Regardless, the effectiveness of this deal isn’t my concern. Let’s do the deal.

blink on September 9, 2013 at 4:24 PM

This will not be the end of it.
This outcome will not be enough to appease his Wahhabi masters.

Droopy on September 9, 2013 at 4:30 PM

mnjg/obama’s friends

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Brilliant!

AZCoyote on September 9, 2013 at 4:22 PM

On Putin and Assad’s part, yes. Even if absolutely nothing happens, the REB will now be pressured to stand down. The plans are shelved, the destroyers go back to their previous mission, the planes go back to their home bases, etc.

In the end a few blue-helmets will be stationed outside of Assad’s CBW warehouses, (at least the ones he tells us about) -maybe some volunteers from Finland or Peru.

Still, the REB should take the deal as ridiculous as it is, because he won’t get a better deal to avoid stumbling into a hot war c/f.

slickwillie2001 on September 9, 2013 at 4:31 PM

This Putin guy. Do you think he would moonlight here?

katy the mean old lady on September 9, 2013 at 4:26 PM

He is a crafty old bastard…have to give him that.

Of course this is all happening pretty much on his doorstep…so he’s trying to contain it but if he gets to sway the World Community to his way of thinking…Why Not?

Obama and his juveniles have blown it…We’ll have to hope for a better outcome in 2014 and 2016 cause it will take a while to clean up this mess.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:31 PM

“Sure, we’ll probably look kind of stupid, but we already look kind of stupid, and as the Administration slams head first into a likely ‘no’ vote on a use of force authorization, being caught with our pants down now, before we commit our armed forces and risk American lives might not be such a bad thing.”

How far we have fallen as a nation when we are now looking at the option that makes us look the least stupid and weak.

Dave in San Diego on September 9, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Putin for Nobel Peace Prize for single-handedly preventing WW3 from starting in Syria???

gracie on September 9, 2013 at 4:33 PM

mnjg, remember how Saddam Hussein played FOR YEARS with UN weapons inspectors?

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM

On Putin and Assad’s part, yes
slickwillie2001 on September 9, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Yep.

UK & US down for the count in global influence for the price of one…EU trips…

Putin and Xi Jingpin score….UN regains their Hocus Pocus…Merkel keeps the heat on in Europe after cutting a deal with Putin.

Assad gets the leftovers in this PR campaign.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM

My Russian friend tells me that Syrians and Russians are intermarrying, having kids, adopting kids. Maybe Putin really has some personal concerns about the welfare of Syria…

gracie on September 9, 2013 at 4:37 PM

So Putin is going to help out his buddy Assad just like he helped out his buddy Saddam.

HumpBot Salvation on September 9, 2013 at 4:37 PM

UK reduced to a small island nobody listens to anymore with a PM who leaves a box of secret documents on a public train…US reduce to President Twerk…

Good Day for Putin all around.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:37 PM

This Putin guy. Do you think he would moonlight here?

katy the mean old lady on September 9, 2013 at 4:26 PM

LMAO

Key West Reader on September 9, 2013 at 4:39 PM

The White House insisted Monday that it was legally able to launch a strike on Syria without congressional approval even as it intensified its courting of lawmakers to support military action.

White House counsel Kathryn Ruemmler told the New York Times that a strike would be lawful under both domestic and international law.

Er…

Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations, has warned that a strike against Syria without a mandate from the UN Security Council would be illegal. His Special Envoy on Syria stated:

‘Syria is in very, very serious trouble, and we have been asked from time to time, ‘What about use of force by members of the international community?’ We say what international law says. And international law says that no country is allowed to take the law into their hands; they have to go to the Security Council.’

- Lakhdar Brahimi, United Nations Special Envoy on Syria

And…

War Powers Resolution Act

50 U.S.C. § 1541 – Purpose and policy

(a) Congressional declaration

It is the purpose of this chapter to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations.

(b) Congressional legislative power under necessary and proper clause

Under article I, section 8, of the Constitution, it is specifically provided that the Congress shall have the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution, not only its own powers but also all other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer hereof.

(c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation

The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to:

(1) a declaration of war,

(2) specific statutory authorisation, or

(3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

Has Syria declared war on the United States?

No, but AQ has and it is part of the ‘rebels’ of whom we are asked to arm and assist.

Is there yet any specific statutory authorisation for airstrikes on Syria?

No.

Has a national emergency been created by an attack from Syria upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces?

Nope.

But, you guys go ahead. We’ll see what happens.

BTW: Congrats on the record low poll numbers on foreign policy and Syria.

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 4:41 PM

My Russian friend tells me that Syrians and Russians are intermarrying, having kids, adopting kids. Maybe Putin really has some personal concerns about the welfare of Syria…

gracie on September 9, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Simple really.

Putin and Xi Jinglin have decided to manage things in a co-operative fashion together.

They would prefer the US stay in our own Northern Hemisphere…and that Europe play along (which they will since Putin supplies their Heat in the winter) Merkel runs the EU show now.

UK and US are isolated….Saudis put on notice.

so there ya go.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:42 PM

So Putin is going to help out his buddy Assad just like he helped out his buddy Saddam.

HumpBot Salvation on September 9, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Either way Preezy Nattering Nabob will learn about it on the evening news…and complain about Youtube & Rush Limbaugh being at fault.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:44 PM

heard some policy wonk state on the radio that the Chinese are studying the History of British Empire.

Interesting…since the Chinese are imitators…and building a navy.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 4:48 PM

I wonder how many (if any) of his chemical weapons are American-made? Now that would be awkward.

The Rogue Tomato on September 9, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 4:41 PM

We’ve been posting that for a week. They need to read it.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 4:50 PM

We’ve been posting that for a week. They need to read it.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 4:50 PM

I’ve been posting it for a week and they still ignore it.

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Kerry blunders and Putin takes advantage. Vladimir Putin effectively dictates US foreign policy.

I cannot say that I am surprised. He is a smart guy, and eats Ubama et al‘s lunch.

antisense on September 9, 2013 at 5:10 PM

for them USA = Who is President… Very sad indeed…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Yes, that is kind of what happens when you have a single person vested with executive power, whether a president or a king.

Nutstuyu on September 9, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Something like this is almost certain to happen now because everyone can get what they want out of it. Everyone. Obama gets cover for doing nothing, those opposing action get none, Russia looks like a fair broker on the world stage, and Syria gets to turn over a bunch of old skunky weapons while claiming to turn over all of them. Later, when some more get used, Assad gets to say ‘Who? Us? We turned all ours over, must be the rebels. Just ask Russia.’

mdavt on September 9, 2013 at 5:52 PM

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration’s efforts to sway Congress to support military airstrikes against Syria suffered further setbacks Monday, raising serious doubts that the president will be able to muster the necessary support in either the House or Senate.

Three additional senators, Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., Roy Blunt, R-Mo., and Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D., announced their opposition Monday, eliminating three potentially critical votes for the administration.

Right direction, hallelujah!

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 6:00 PM

What really happened at the Summit?
workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:26 PM

A Russian Leader of Men walked into a room with a fake, wanna-be tough-guy, community organizer….and the former made the latter his bitch.

That’s what happened.

a5minmajor on September 9, 2013 at 6:01 PM

“I think it would be a great step forward if Assad were willing to do it and if Russia were willing to monitor it or an international authority with Russia.”

Paul getting bromantic for Putin?

socalcon on September 9, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Obama hits new low on foreign policy in CNN polling

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Jimmah Carter celebrates.

socalcon on September 9, 2013 at 6:06 PM

What is the stated goal of the strike against Syria?
mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM

That’s the problem. There is no stated goal of the strikes. It was certainly not to deter chemical weapons capabilities. It was, if anything, some kind if punishment…

You are one of the worst trolls this site has seen in some time. Were you here before all this Syria stuff showed up? Why are you so interested in this subject?

happytobehere on September 9, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Aren’t all statements… rhetorical?

faraway on September 9, 2013 at 6:09 PM

G Zimmerman, happiest man in America

faraway on September 9, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Aren’t all statements… rhetorical?
faraway on September 9, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Nope.

happytobehere on September 9, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Nope.

happytobehere on September 9, 2013 at 6:15 PM

I didn’t mean for you to answer that. :)

faraway on September 9, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Re: Russia jumping in and making Obama look weak. Obama says, “That’s old-think, American hegemony think. We brought Russia to the table in a way that Bush never was able to, and besides, and I have bi-partisan agreement (Rand Paul) that this is the appropriate path.” Then in 3, 2, 1, he says, “This is the kind of solution I had mind all along.” MSM picks up the glorious Messiah chorus immediately, and all of a sudden Barky is a foreign policy Zen master. Bank it.

smellthecoffee on September 9, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Anything that keeps us from bombing people we have no business bombing is fine by me. It doesn’t help that Obama is a joke. But we voted for him twice. That’s the problem. More than anything he does.

This nation is dying with the electorate we have. We’re a carcass of a once great nation. I still can’t believe we elected him TWICE! What is wrong with us?!

happytobehere on September 9, 2013 at 6:26 PM

I’ve been posting it for a week and they still ignore it.

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Yep. I’ve been pasting it too, usually when someone says Obama has authority…

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Why does happytobedumb hate Hillary?

Meremortal on September 9, 2013 at 6:31 PM

This nation is dying with the electorate we have. We’re a carcass of a once great nation. I still can’t believe we elected him TWICE! What is wrong with us?!

happytobehere on September 9, 2013 at 6:26 PM

We didn’t elect him. The LIVs and the RINO GOP establishment who gave us a poor candidate caused this mess. Twice.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Ooops, ny bad. That was meant for mnjg, not happytobehere.

Meremortal on September 9, 2013 at 6:33 PM

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