Syria: We “welcome” Russia’s proposal to turn over our chemical weapons to international control; Update: Rand Paul interested

posted at 2:01 pm on September 9, 2013 by Allahpundit

He turned the ball over underneath his own basket and now here’s the easy lay-up.

Maybe the new White House strategy is to lose so much U.S. credibility through Obama and Kerry sounding like morons that Congress has no choice but to support bombing in order to get some of it back. Proposed White House sales pitch: “Vote yes and we’ll shut up.”

The government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on Monday said it welcomed a Russian proposal to avert U.S. military strikes by having Damascus turn over control of its chemical weapons to international monitors.

The statement by Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem in Moscow offered the first indication that a diplomatic solution may be possible to the international standoff that has evolved since apparent chemical weapons attacks on rebel-held suburbs outside Damascus on August 21…

Moualem said Syria “welcomes the Russian initiative,” but did not say whether his country would agree to what Russia was asking. “We also welcome the wisdom of the Russian leadership, which is trying to prevent American aggression against our people,” Moulaem said.

Hours earlier, in London, Secretary of State John F. Kerry sketched out a similar transfer-of-control scenario, then dismissed it, after being asked by a reporter whether there was anything that Assad could do to avoid an attack. “Sure, he could turn over every bit of his weapons to the international community within the next week, without delay,” Kerry said. “But he isn’t about to.”

This proposal is being taken sufficiently seriously at the UN that Ban Ki-Moon called it something the Security Council might potentially unite around. So now, thanks to Kerry, Assad might be able to follow the Iranian nuclear script to stave off a U.S. attack — agree to “dialogue,” wrangle over inspections, and then stall, stall, stall while his enemy’s will to act gradually erodes. The State Department, backed into a corner by the boss’s idiocy, now has no choice but to agree to take a “hard look” at the proposal, but at this afternoon’s briefing the department’s line on what Kerry said is that .. yeah, he’s kind of an idiot:

Our “moderate” Syrian rebel allies are naturally furious that the big bombing run might be suspended over this.

Here’s the thing, though: Doesn’t the Russian proposal get Obama what he ostensibly wants, i.e. an Assad who’s afraid to use chemical weapons again? O doesn’t care if Assad keeps his weapons; he doesn’t even care if he uses them, provided he does so on a small enough scale that deniability is kinda sorta plausible. See, for example, this new LA Times report about how U.S. intelligence had a strong suspicion as far back as last summer, before O issued his “red line” ultimatum, that Syrian troops were gassing people. The Damascus attack wasn’t a gamechanger because it was novel, it was a gamechanger because it was so big that Obama would be humiliated if he didn’t respond. Now here’s Russia seizing on Kerry’s gaffe as a way to keep the U.S. off its turf, essentially guaranteeing that Assad won’t use gas again via the fiction of Syria turning over its weapons or whatever. Big question for Obama now: Is it more important to him to de-escalate this conflict that he bumbled into, even if it means losing face by letting the Russians bail him out, or is it more important to restore his “credibility” by punching Assad regardless of what that might mean for the conflict blowing up? If he accepts Russia’s “offer,” he’s endorsing the charade that Assad will voluntarily disarm in exchange for a de facto promise that he won’t gas people again. If he rejects it, he still has to deal with a congressional headache, the headache of organizing military ops, etc. How much face is The One willing to lose to Putin after the Snowden humiliation? More face than he’s willing to lose after his big push in Congress ends up failing miserably?

Update: Via Breitbart, the Senate’s leading opponent of the war sees a way out:

“I think it would be a great step forward if Assad were willing to do it and if Russia were willing to monitor it or an international authority with Russia,” Paul, an outspoken opponent of U.S. military strikes in Syria, said in a phone interview with Breitbart News on Monday. “I think part of diplomacy and getting things to work is allowing people to save face. If there’s a way Russia can save face in this thing and be part of an international coalition, that’s what we should shoot for.”

“I think one of the biggest problems with bombing Assad is that if we bomb Assad and we destabilize the chemical weapons and they become loose within the country and al Qaeda gets access to them, then I think that’s the real disaster,” Paul explained. “Even [Secretary of State John] Kerry admitted it would take 75,000 American troops to secure these weapons, and that’s what I’ve been saying all along—that bombing may actually lead to more instability.”

“But having an international body take control of the chemical weapons would add much greater stability, and I think it would be a benefit for all of us if that would happen,” he added.

Update: Emily Zanotti of Naked DC summarizes the case for accepting Russia’s offer: “Sure, we’ll probably look kind of stupid, but we already look kind of stupid, and as the Administration slams head first into a likely ‘no’ vote on a use of force authorization, being caught with our pants down now, before we commit our armed forces and risk American lives might not be such a bad thing.”


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I have a feeling that those interviews might just be postponed “due to breaking developments” as it were. Can’t have Obama going off script as that is what got us into the incredible mess in the first place.

Johnnyreb on September 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM

The dumbshits in the WH gave Dempsey 53 different plans of ‘attack’ in the last 3 days.

Imagine how frantic they are now.

I can’t laugh any more.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Can’t have Obama going off script as that is what got us into the incredible mess in the first place.

Johnnyreb on September 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Let’s give him every chance to make a fool out of himself. When his popularity drops low enough maybe congress will grow enough spine to impeach him as they should.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

You should probably go and quietly love America more than the rest of us in some dark corner somewhere.

NotCoach on September 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM

In looking at the history of this one’s comments, very much a concern troll. Maybe getalife.

smoothsailing on September 9, 2013 at 2:35 PM

They’re likely putting together a propaganda blitz for the media in obama’s azz

“If you are for the UN peaceful hand over the chemicals, you are no longer racists”

Hilarious!!!

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:35 PM

So.. at 6pm tonight we will see O’s taped interviews making his case for his war. But alas! Watch Putin will clean up Tiny McBomby Pants’ mess before 5pm. That oughta be a hoot.

/Keep flogging that chicken, Buh-Rock.

Key West Reader on September 9, 2013 at 2:36 PM

PC brung all this to America.

PC will kill all, eventually.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:37 PM

it will be even more embarrassing when syria uses gas again. the SCFOAMF will rant and syria will say “couldnt have been us, we gave up our chemical weapons, remember?” and russia will concur claiming to have secured them. man, that is some smart diplomacy. but by the other guys, not ours.

chasdal on September 9, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Laugh as much as you want… The fact is that we want to strike Assad to deter and degrade his chemical weapons capabilities… and without a single shot fired from our military Assad gave up his chemical weapons and to be destroyed under UN supervision… So absolutely yes, it is a huge victory for the USA…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

The Administration had already announced they weren’t going to attack the Chemical Weapons stockpiles.

RickB on September 9, 2013 at 2:37 PM

I’ve remained pretty conflicted over all of this –

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

His stick not tasting so good lately?

but would we be reading this sentence if the Syrian government (or Putin) ever doubted that a US strike was very possible?

It puts Obama in a box, and elevates Putin even farther above President Smart Power. At the end of the day? Nothing happens to Assad, and the Cheerio Gang are effectively neutralized forever on the issue.

NotCoach on September 9, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Barky’s ego really is all that’s at stake here for him – politically, he has to know that if he’d just shut up, his State Media Corpse would quickly smooth this over with the LoFo’s. It’s not like the LoFo’s know or care about this “seeria” thing anyway, and the Media will convince them that somehow Barky has won a great victory and at the same time bravely kept us out of a war.

bofh on September 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Ah, the f*ckwits are out in full spin today.

Midas on September 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Hey mnjg – it’s not a huge victory for Obama if Russia is responsible for the weapons! You know, Assad’s friend! In other words, they’re in cahoots – one lies and the other swears to it.

If Assad was really interested in giving up, why doesn’t he allow our military in? You’re really not thinking this through in your desperation to save Obama’s ego.

hamnj7 on September 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Russia will not be the only nation to take Assad chemical weapons and destroy it… There will be a host of countries who will be tasked to do so…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

“I think part of diplomacy and getting things to work is allowing people to save face. If there’s a way Russia can save face in this thing and be part of an international coalition, that’s what we should shoot for.”

And by Russia saving face, Rand Paul means Obama saving face. He’s just trying to let Obama save face.

Fenris on September 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Watch for it boys and girls.

Coming soon to a theater [of war] near you.

In full living color.

Al-Nusra, the Syrian Islamic Liberation Front, Fatah al-Islam, the Free Syrian Army, and all the “rebels” will unleash chemicals all over Syria…knowing that Assad will not, can not.

Not advocating that we little little Bashir play with his chemistry set, again. But what exactly does Washington do when the rebels, once again, as they have in the past, use chemical warfare as a force multiplier?

We are still backing the wrong side in this thing.

The “good” side left Dodge long ago, on their own or carried out feet first.

coldwarrior on September 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

I’ve remained pretty conflicted over all of this –
but would we be reading this sentence if the Syrian government (or Putin) ever doubted that a US strike was very possible?

The government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on Monday said it welcomed a Russian proposal to avert U.S. military strikes by having Damascus turn over control of its chemical weapons to international monitors.

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

How’s it feel to be the “Bad Cop” in the world.
And to think the liberals all howled about the “Cowboy” Bush.

Obama has just ceded the moral high ground in international relations.
More so than Bush EVER did.

This is NOT the America I want.

Jabberwock on September 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Absolutely. They will do anything to embarrass ChoomMommyPants57.

There was/is very little chance congress will give Zero authorization. They know that. Maybe they were trying to make Zero look less like a joke than he is, but that plan is kinda backfiring.

Zero looks like a reject any way you look at this.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Russia will not be the only nation to take Assad chemical weapons and destroy it… There will be a host of countries who will be tasked to do so…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Is AlQueda a country? Man, you’re kinda dumb.

Key West Reader on September 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Putin will also say he considered the Pope’s letter carefully…and responsible nations should work through the UN to avoid aggression by irresponsible nations who cause chaos etc…(That would be us)

yada…yada…yada

Putin the Peacenik savior of traditional culture…yada yada yada

Putin is linking the Arab Spring Chaos to Obama’s whoring of our policy to the Saudis & Al Qaeda.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Dammit…”let little Bashir”…stupid fat fingers…

coldwarrior on September 9, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Maybe the new White House strategy is to lose so much U.S. credibility

Uh … that’s ALWAYS been Barky’s strategy. From the very beginning of this nightmare. You were warned years ago but you fought hard, claiming that Barky was intelligent (LOL). Barky has never done anything but work to demean and degrade America and all American institutions. That’s what he has ALWAYS done. But, you still haven’t figured that out, huh, since you are being generally facetious here, anyway.

barky is a brain-dead idiot who is driven by nothing but a burning hate of America and the West. He wants nothing but to reduce this nation to ashes. He’s been slapping you in the face with this for more than four years and you still refuse to admit it. I guess it goes hand-in-hand with your refusal to document any of the many (isolated, individual, merely coincidental) criminal actions of his many sons in their savage attacks .,.

Sheesh.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 9, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Barky’s ego really is all that’s at stake here for him – politically, he has to know that if he’d just shut up, his State Media Corpse would quickly smooth this over with the LoFo’s. It’s not like the LoFo’s know or care about this “seeria” thing anyway, and the Media will convince them that somehow Barky has won a great victory and at the same time bravely kept us out of a war.

bofh on September 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Seeria?

Is that the stuff you put milk on for breakfast?

Midas on September 9, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Verby, that trembling you see Assad and company doing is not from fear. It’s the aftermath of hysterical laughter.

We have a wuss in the White House.

God help us.

kingsjester on September 9, 2013 at 2:43 PM

This whole Syria episode showed that many on our side are not different than many on the left… for them USA = Who is President… Very sad indeed…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Dumfruck, for us the demise of the USA matters. If you are with obama you are against the USA. You are transparent.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Huge victory for 0bama. He’s succeeded in making Russia the #1 power broker in the world. They sing and their allies (in this case Syria) tap dance.

We sing, and our allies say, “Lemme get back to you after Parliament votes on it.”

CurtZHP on September 9, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Is this person mnjg also nonpartisan? Because they both sound like they are about 12 years old.

BeachBum on September 9, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Russia will not be the only nation to take Assad chemical weapons and destroy it… There will be a host of countries who will be tasked to do so…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Define what you mean by a “host”. Do you really believe that there will be any counting or movement of WMD’s in the middle of a freakin CIVIL WAR were both sides are trying to destroy what little remains of the country? And you think they will stop that to let a “host” of foreign military people into their country to remove chemical weapons?

I can see it now. UN WMD convoy moving through a rebel held area under attack by tanks and armored infantry from Assad’s military, everyone stops fighting to let them through. Yeah right…..

Johnnyreb on September 9, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Midas on September 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Ha.
You accuse folks of posting ‘drivel’ – yet you offered absolutely nothing in response or to challenge…just a substance free harangue…aka…drivel.
Genius. (I am kidding.)

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:44 PM

It’s not like the LoFo’s know or care about this “seeria” thing anyway, and the Media will convince them that somehow Barky has won a great victory and at the same time bravely kept us out of a war.

bofh on September 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Seeria?

Is that the stuff you put milk on for breakfast?

Midas on September 9, 2013 at 2:42 PM

You guys crack me up!! Too funny!

Key West Reader on September 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM

[Key West Reader on September 9, 2013 at 2:36 PM]

I certainly hope so. Obama had a chance to turn on a dime and accept Putin’s proposal, making it look like that was his plan all along. It could have worked, but he buy his ticket in time to catch that train.

If Republicans change their calculus on this it will be a major defeat for Obama and while his credibility will be ruined the credibility of the US’s will not and our overall reputation will be somewhat restored somewhat in spite of the President’s fumbling it from day one of his red line. The train will be leaving the station soon on that one too, however, and they need to get aboard in principle right quick.

Dusty on September 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM

This is great for those who wish to see the USA diminished, as evidenced by the fact that the trolls have finally arrived after days of embarrassed silence.

CurtZHP on September 9, 2013 at 2:46 PM

There will be a host of countries who will be tasked to do so…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

The UN has already offered…I bet you don’t get the irony.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM

This is what an ‘American victory’ looks like mnjg:

‘Kerry and French Foreign Minister Appeal Together for Strike Against Syria’

- Yesterday in Paris

Today:

‘We’re not going to war. We will be able to hold [Syrian President] Bashar al-Assad accountable without engaging troops on the ground or any other prolonged kind of effort, in a very limited, very targeted, very short-term effort that degrades his capacity to deliver chemical weapons without assuming responsibility for Syria’s civil war. That is exactly what we are talking about doing; AN UNBELIEVABLY SMALL, LIMITED KIND OF EFFORT.’

- Secretary of State John Kerry, London, 9 September 2013

‘If Assad is eating Cheerios, we’re going to take away his spoon and give him a fork. Will that degrade his ability to eat Cheerios? Yes. Will it deter him? Maybe. But he’ll still be able to eat Cheerios.’

- A second senior official, who has seen the most recent planning, describing a US strike

‘He could turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week — turn it over, all of it, without delay and allow the full and total accounting.’

- Secretary of State John Kerry, this morning

In his next breath, he said:

‘Of course, Assad isn’t about to do that.’

Which was quickly followed by this statement from the State Department:

‘Secretary Kerry was making a rhetorical argument about the impossibility and unlikelihood of Assad turning over chemical weapons he has denied he used.’ His (Kerry’s) point was that this brutal dictator with a history of playing fast and loose with the facts cannot be trusted to turn over chemical weapons, otherwise he would have done so long ago. That’s why the world faces this moment.’

So, naturally, what happens next?

The Russians jump:

‘We have passed our offer to (Syrian Foreign Minister Walid) Al-Muallem and hope to receive [a] fast and positive answer. We call on the Syrian leadership not only agree on a statement of storage of chemical weapons under international control, but also its subsequent destruction, as well as about the full accession to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. We will immediately join the work with Damascus if establishing international control over chemical weapons in that country helps prevent attacks. There cannot be any deals made with regard to Russian policy that were concluded behind the Syrian people’s back. That will not happen.’

- Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, today

Then, Syria says:

‘The Syrian Arab Republic welcomed the RUSSIAN initiative, based on the concerns of the RUSSIAN leadership for the lives of our citizens and the security of our country.’

- Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem, who met with Lavrov in Moscow earlier today

And, the UK jumps in to support the Russian initative.

So does UN Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon.

And, then, the Obama administration is forced to respond to the response to Kerry’s Gaffeplomacy:

U.S. officials say they will take a “hard look” at a proposal for Syria to surrender its chemical weapons to international control to avoid a military strike.

State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said Monday the U.S. WOULD CONSIDER THE PROPOSAL FLOATED BY FOREIGN MINISTERS IN RUSSIA AND SYRIA with ‘serious skepticism’ because it might be a stalling tactic. She said Syria had consistently refused to destroy its chemical weapons in the past.

The proposal came after Secretary of State John Kerry said in London on Monday that Syrian President Bashar Assad could end the crisis by turning over all his chemical weapons. Harf said Kerry wasn’t putting forth a formal proposal.

To people like mnjg, this looks like ‘victory.’

For the rest of us, it’s just embarrassing.

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 2:48 PM

“Assad must go” — Hillary/obama :):):):):):)

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Watch for Scooter to hang a banner behind him tomorrow night, if this deal goes through.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

He has diminished the Global Standing of the USA.

kingsjester on September 9, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Putin is linking the Arab Spring Chaos to Obama’s whoring of our policy to the Saudis & Al Qaeda.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM

And Putin seems quite adept at doing so.

Smart power.

coldwarrior on September 9, 2013 at 2:48 PM

This whole Syria episode showed that many on our side are not different than many on the left… for them USA = Who is President… Very sad indeed…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Should we have bombed the crap out of Aum Shinrikyo for the Tokyo subway gassing.

RickB on September 9, 2013 at 2:49 PM

This is great for those who wish to see the USA diminished, as evidenced by the fact that the trolls have finally arrived after days of embarrassed silence.

CurtZHP on September 9, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Ahh the smell of ye ole trolls… Arriving right on time with the narrative:

“This was the plan all along…..” See how he saved the World? Obama! Obama! Obama!”

Expect to hear this tonight from Chris Matthews.

Key West Reader on September 9, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Putin is linking the Arab Spring Chaos to Obama’s whoring of our policy to the Saudis & Al Qaeda.
workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM

As well he should. Glad to see someone beyond the ‘tin-hat commentators like me’ pointing out the obvious.

LegendHasIt on September 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Why are the opening scenes from the original “Red Dawn”, flashing before my eyes, right now?

kingsjester on September 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Still wondering when some genius in the MFM is going to put together the facts that a) it was the Bush administration’s contention that Hussein shipped all his chemical weapons to the Bekaa valley in SYRIA; and b) we are now about to get involved in some sort of war/kinetic action/slap fight with Syria because Syria now HAS CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

Oh wait- to put these two facts together would make Gaylord the Effete look even stupider than he does now. Never mind. Ooooh, and look at that crazy outfit on that kardassian person!

GrassMudHorsey on September 9, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Midas on September 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Ha.
You accuse folks of posting ‘drivel’ – yet you offered absolutely nothing in response or to challenge…just a substance free harangue…aka…drivel.
Genius. (I am kidding.)

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:44 PM

‘Casting pearls before swine’ comes to mind when you suggest your commentary deserves a more meaningful response. You come here, crap, and wallow in it – and expect what in response?

Post something worth responding to (you know, other than with derisive laughter, which is wholly appropriate given the ‘quality’ of the content *you* twits post), and I’ll consider ‘challenging’ you. So far, a challenge to a game of tiddly winks is clearly over your heads.

Midas on September 9, 2013 at 2:53 PM

I’ve remained pretty conflicted over all of this –
but would we be reading this sentence if the Syrian government (or Putin) ever doubted that a US strike was very possible?

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Given the unlikelihood of Congressional authorization, I doubt Assad or Putin thought a US strike was likely.

They’re probably doing this to simply get the US to stand down – which will harm rebel morale.

blink on September 9, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Assad had zero concerns about a strike – yet Putin (who also didn’t) gets him to offer up all his chem stockpiles?
That makes zero sense. I know it pains many to think that Obama or his supporters might be able to point to this as any sort of ‘success’ – but if indeed this comes to pass, it’s a pretty dang good and preferred result.

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Why are the opening scenes from the original “Red Dawn”, flashing before my eyes, right now?

kingsjester on September 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Gee, I don’t remember the movie that well. Now I’ll have to add that to the re-watch list!

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:54 PM

How in this case Obama damaged our credibility? He said that the goal of the military strike is to deter and degrade Assad chemical weapons capabilities… Now without a single missile fired by our military not only we deterred and degraded Assad chemical weapons but he gave them up entirely for destruction… It has nothing to do with Obama… It has to do with the incredible power of the US military and their mere threat is able to do this to Assad… That is very good for our credibility…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Riiight, ‘cuz, like, um, ya know, 2 years ago, he didn’t call for regime change in Syria and his minions haven’t been out for days claiming that we must attack Syria to get to Iran.

Whatever you say, Lucy.

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Smart Power“, just for mnjg

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:54 PM

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:53 PM

They haven’t agreed to anything yet. Technically. Are you having trouble keeping up?

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Laugh as much as you want… The fact is that we want to strike Assad to deter and degrade his chemical weapons capabilities… and without a single shot fired from our military Assad gave up his chemical weapons and to be destroyed under UN supervision… So absolutely yes, it is a huge victory for the USA…
mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

What on earth are you talking about??!!! When did Assad do this?????!!!!!!

Oh, you mean he promised to let some inspectors come in. Well, that settles it, then. Well played, Kerry. Well played.

Ironically, though, this probably does work out in our favor, though only because Obama somehow found a plan that was even stupider — namely, to attack Syria with the specific intent of not altering the balance of power, but simply to send a message. It’s bad enough to start a war with no particular military objective in mind, but only Obama and Kerry could conceive of an attack where the objective itself is to not accomplish anything militarily.

With any luck, their incompetence in diplomacy will get in the way of their incompetence in warfare.

RINO in Name Only on September 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:54 PM

…Images of Russian paratroopers dropping into an American Schoolyard.

kingsjester on September 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Moron.

.
I laughed. Out loud. For quite a while.

ExpressoBold on September 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM

If you really cared about what’s best for the USA, then you wouldn’t have ever wanted to do anything to support islamofacists. Strike One.

If you really cared about Assad not having chemical weapons, then you’d be upset that this deal might remove all the heat from Assad without actually forcing him to make good on his promise. Strike Two.

You’re making it obvious that you’ve jumped on this deal simply because you think it allows Obama to save fact. Strike Three.

blink on September 9, 2013 at 2:37 PM

First, I support the moderate elements of the rebels which are a majority of the rebels… Al Qaeda terrorists are a small faction of the rebels.

Second, this deal if approved by us means that Assad has a very short period of time to give up his chemical weapons for destruction by the UN and with the participation of the US…

Third, I disagree with Obama on 99.99% of the things he does and says… However I agreed with him on striking Assad… This does not make me an Obama supporter by any stretch of the imagination… However for the red meat partisans like you and many like you who claim to be conservatives, USA = Who is President… No different than the left wing lunatics…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:56 PM

That makes zero sense.

You are truthful.

I know it pains many to think that Obama or his supporters might be able to point to this as any sort of ‘success’ – but if indeed this comes to pass, it’s a pretty dang good and preferred result.

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:53 PM

I almost feel sorry for you on the left…almost.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Arriving right on time with the narrative:

Key West Reader on September 9, 2013 at 2:49 PM

To be fair, they were asleep until 2 eastern time…

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Ahh the smell of ye ole trolls… Arriving right on time with the narrative:

“This was the plan all along…..” See how he saved the World? Obama! Obama! Obama!”

Expect to hear this tonight from Chris Matthews.

Key West Reader on September 9, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Reminds me of Pee Wee Herman, going ass over head off his bike, getting up, and saying, “I meant to do that!”

CurtZHP on September 9, 2013 at 2:57 PM

kingsjester on September 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Ok, I remember that! Go Wolverines!

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:58 PM

USA = Who is President… No different than the left wing lunatics…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Slowly…just…so…you…get…it

Unless, the president is not for the US.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:58 PM

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Yep.

Man, it hurts to have a wuss for a president.

kingsjester on September 9, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Now THAT is speaking hypothetically….

There Goes the Neighborhood on September 9, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Ahh the smell of ye ole trolls… Arriving right on time with the narrative:

“This was the plan all along…..” See how he saved the World? Obama! Obama! Obama!”

Expect to hear this tonight from Chris Matthews.

Key West Reader on September 9, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Indeed, but in today’s world we have all the Axelturd tweets and Kerry/obama on video :)

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:59 PM

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:56 PM

This is a sock puppet for nonpartisan. Ooooh nooo, I’m not an Obozo supporter but geez I just think he’s the smartest preezy evah and I loooves him so much.

BeachBum on September 9, 2013 at 2:59 PM

kingsjester on September 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM

When that time comes, heaven forbid, there will indeed be shouts of “Wolverines!!” from a good segment of American patriots.

However, there will be lesser shouts, cries, even concerned aloud musings of, “No! It’s Badgers!” and “Weasels!” and even a few in the vein of “Chipmunks! or “Little Furry Forest Friends!”

And in and amongst them will be some group somewhere shouting “We are the Vegans!!!”

Sure hope that when it comes, if it comes, it’ll be short and merciful.

To much of a temptation to join the Spetznaz and crew to finally round up those weasels and chipmunks and vegans.

coldwarrior on September 9, 2013 at 3:00 PM

That makes zero sense. I know it pains many to think that Obama or his supporters might be able to point to this as any sort of ‘success’ – but if indeed this comes to pass, it’s a pretty dang good and preferred result.

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Maybe that stick still tastes pretty darn good after all?

There have been some pretty big ‘ifs’ in the history of man, and that one you posted is right up there. Assad just needs to take a gander at Iran to know this ploy is a win, win, win for him. You guys can shoot yourselves in your eyes with your masturbatory strokes all you like, but I’ll take solace in the fact this might prevent President Ego from taking us into a pointless war. And nothing will change in Syria. Bad guys killing bad guys will continue.

NotCoach on September 9, 2013 at 3:00 PM

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:53 PM

They haven’t agreed to anything yet. Technically. Are you having trouble keeping up?

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM

To catch you up…
I’m responding to the debate/question as to whether or not the mere discussion/consideration of such could be considered a successful result of the threat of a US strike.
But yes, you are correct. In the last 12 hours, all the chemical weapons have not been confiscated or destroyed. Thanks for clearing that up…for anyone who needed clarification on that detail.
But aside from you, not sure anyone did.

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Sen. Paul falling for this reenforces my belief that we don’t have a lot of really experienced people in the wings. I wonder if this is suppose to make Hillary look a sage player on the world stage?

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 3:02 PM

With any luck, their incompetence in diplomacy will get in the way of their incompetence in warfare.

RINO in Name Only on September 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Parse, people! No one has agreed to anything, technically. Zero’s petulant rant for a missile strike will look nasty in the face of a potential diplomatic solution. Maybe. He’s checkmated by smoke and mirrors.

Moualem said Syria “welcomes the Russian initiative,” but did not say whether his country would agree to what Russia was asking.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Slowly…just…so…you…get…it

Unless, the president is not for the US.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:58 PM

And for super partisan if the President is from the opposing party then he is not for the USA in anything he does…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 3:03 PM

First, I support the moderate elements of the rebels which are a majority of the rebels… Al Qaeda terrorists are a small faction of the rebels. mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Could you point them out for us?

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 3:04 PM

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Wow you have a serious reading comprehension issue. See my post above. If I write more slowly will you get it? Or do I get crayons?

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Did Tom Clancy write this?

davidk on September 9, 2013 at 3:06 PM

OT

In other news…Enjoy…

13 Democrats Charged With Embezzling $16 Million In Federal Grants For AIDS Charities And Other Needy Programs! Rev. Wright Daughter Among Those Charged

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/13-democrats-charged-with-embezzling-16-million-in-federal-grants-for-aids-charities-and-other-needy-programs-rev-wright-daughter-among-those-charged/

Karma Dominoes!

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:06 PM

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 3:03 PM

If this isn’t a political ploy by someone (Obama) who only thinks in political terms than why spout off about legally having the right to call for strikes, than decide to go to Congress. How about the leaks on possible targets and the announcements of the redeployment of naval vessels? Your talking about a guy who had a Youtube video maker the villain of Benghazi and even had him jailed.

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 3:07 PM

The chickens done come home to roost…

coldwarrior on September 9, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Big question for Obama now: Is it more important to him to de-escalate this conflict that he bumbled into, even if it means losing face by letting the Russians bail him out, or is it more important to restore his “credibility” by punching Assad regardless of what that might mean for the conflict blowing up?

Are you kidding? With an ego like O’s, it’s absolutely the latter.

changer1701 on September 9, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Assad had zero concerns about a strike – yet Putin (who also didn’t) gets him to offer up all his chem stockpiles?

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Yes, because it gets the US to cease the rhetoric and withdrawal from offshore.

That will seriously demoralize the rebels who may have been hoping that the US would support their mission.

blink on September 9, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Regardless of the outcome here, safe to assume the admin will continue it’s support – and likely will step it up. So though the rebeles may have welcomed a strike, they’ll likely settle for 2nd prize here.
And here’s a theory on what that support currently is…and may ramp up to.

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:08 PM

This is a sock puppet for nonpartisan. Ooooh nooo, I’m not an Obozo supporter but geez I just think he’s the smartest preezy evah and I loooves him so much.

BeachBum on September 9, 2013 at 2:59 PM

I do not need to justify my history of being a conservative and have opposed 99.99% of Obama actions and rhetoric… However I know that I do not look at the US from the pure partisan political prism… For me the USA is not who is President unlike many on the left and right…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM

coldwarrior on September 9, 2013 at 3:08 PM

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Was meant for you, WCA.

I’m going back to a desk top…this notebook thing…just not working out.

coldwarrior on September 9, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Those claiming this a victory for obama:

Andy Dufresne: How can you be so obtuse?

Warden Samuel Norton: What? What did you call me?

Andy Dufresne: Obtuse. Is it deliberate?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111161/quotes

davidk on September 9, 2013 at 3:10 PM

So though the rebeles may have welcomed a strike,

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:08 PM

They didn’t. Both sides said as late as yesterday that a strike will mean zero.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 3:10 PM

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:08 PM

You do know the rebels are butchering Christians, right? There are no good sides in that fight.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Bono is not going to be happy. I didn’t notice any sentencing terms. Six months minimum security?

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM

You guys can shoot yourselves in your eyes with your masturbatory strokes all you like…
NotCoach on September 9, 2013 at 3:00 PM

We don’t have to agree, but do you have to over-share via bizarre metaphors?

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM

We don’t have to agree, but do you have to over-share via bizarre metaphors?

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM

The truth hurt?

NotCoach on September 9, 2013 at 3:12 PM

First, I support the moderate elements of the rebels which are a majority of the rebels… Al Qaeda terrorists are a small faction of the rebels.
mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Jeebus…There are no moderate rebels anymore.

Al Qaeda and other factions are sending jihadis into Syria from allover the place.

As has occurred in other Arab Spring Regions…moderates go full jihadi or they are killed…or did you think that conversion proposal was only offered to Christians at the wrong end of a gun?

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:13 PM

I have an idea, while all this voting is going on, why don’t we have the American people vote on whether or not BHO and his band of numbskulls should remain in office?

Maybe Putin would like to be President of the U.S. for a while. Winter’s coming and it’s a lot warmer here than in Moscow.

IndieDogg on September 9, 2013 at 3:13 PM

For me the USA is not who is President unlike many on the left and right…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM

To us it matters who it is, squish. He is not for the USA.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 3:14 PM

This is check mate and the Russians can’t stop laughing.

If Russia takes charge/claims to take charge of Assad’s chemical weapons “on behalf of the international community” then exactly what chemical weapons bogeyman is brave Barack going to shoot at?

What case is he going to make to the American people and to Congress if the chemical weapons issue has been evaporated? The background noise of laughter echoing from Moscow to Damascus, won’t make his presentation any easier.

The genius Obama has been hung out to dry.

westerncanadian on September 9, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Al Qaeda terrorists are a small faction of the rebels.

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Smells like Teen Spirit in here!

Last Friday, I demolished your false claim above with multi-sourced evidence, including two cites from the Far-Right New York Times, about the true extent of al Qaeda participation in the Syria rebel movement. You simply stuck your fingers in your ears and refused to accept said evidence.

F-

If you’re willing to try to prove me wrong again, I’ll stop laughing at you. Now go change nonpartisan’s diapers before she gets cranky.

Del Dolemonte on September 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM

The chickens done come home to roost…

coldwarrior on September 9, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Indeed Sir…Indeed

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Laugh as much as you want… The fact is that we want to strike Assad to deter and degrade his chemical weapons capabilities… and without a single shot fired from our military Assad gave up his chemical weapons and to be destroyed under UN supervision… So absolutely yes, it is a huge victory for the USA…
mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

But what did Kerry just say?

Harf: Kerry “was making a rhetorical statement about a scenario that we think is highly unlikely.”

So you are screaming about an Obama “victory” for something happening that the Obama administration says is not likely to ever happen.

This is how desperate you Obama trolls are. You are contradicting your own Obama’s statements that such things would never happen with pronouncements that they have happened.

So either Obama is a liar — or you’re a liar.

Which is it?

northdallasthirty on September 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Regardless of the outcome here, safe to assume the admin will continue it’s support – and likely will step it up.

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:08 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/09/fearsome-new-white-house-talking-point-on-syria-our-attack-will-be-unbelievably-small/

davidk on September 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM

All this proves is that Rand Paul is as big a fool as Obama and Kerry combined.

flataffect on September 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Wow you have a serious reading comprehension issue. See my post above. If I write more slowly will you get it? Or do I get crayons?

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 3:05 PM

You missed the sarcasm.
Which is ironic.

Regardless, do you understand now?
We are all aware that nothing has happened yet. As is often the case, many of us are offering up theories and opinions based on speculations and hypotheticals.
The discussions here are dang full of ‘em.
So nobody missed – not me, not you – that ‘They haven’t agreed to anything yet. Technically.’.
We on the same page now?
Good.

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Once again Putin, and even Assad, punked Obama.

What a brilliant diplomatic move by Putin. This will make Obama look even dumber if he bombs Syria and it turns into a debacle. Here we had this face saving gesture to could have prevented this mess and we refused to take it because….Obama’e ego would not allow it.

There would be no other way to explain it!

William Eaton on September 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM

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